America's Backwards Healthcare System

I finally saw Sicko, and leaned lots of good information.

1. Insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies do not want a public healthcare system because they will lose money.

2. You can go to Cuba, and get free health care. You can also get your meds at very low costs. The meds that cost a woman $150 was only $0.05 in Cuba.

3. In England, they will laugh at you in the hospital if you ask where you are supposed to pay. They will also laugh at you if you ask for a billing department. They have a cashier close to the hospital exit. The cashier gives people money for transportation home. Not vouchers.

4. People get bonuses in America for denying services to patient. Doctors get bonuses in other countries for elping their patients.

5. If you have a baby in France, a government official will come to your house, do your laundry, and cook.

6. The French have doctors that drive around in a car doing home visits to people who call for emergencies.

7. Some hillbilly went to England, and did flips across the street that the Beatles walked on. He broke his shoulder, and the hospital fixed him for free.

 

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This film was debunked in another thread.

 

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No it was not.

 

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Universal health care is what's 'sicko'

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56404

Mikey Moron's pathetic crockumentary makes me sicko.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56350

Moore's latest scam:

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56327

Socialized medicine is sicko:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56275

Oh, and I think we have enough Mikey Moron threads.

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do you think jesus would want people to be turned away from health care because they don't have enough money, you poor thing?

 

Most of the people who don't have health care are probably criminal aliens anyway. They don't deserve free health care. We want our own private healthcare with our own great doctors. Not some POS "freebie" that is worthless. If HMOs are any indication of universal healthcare, thanks but no thanks. I don't want anyone I know waiting 3 years for an emergency operation.

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who pays for this supposedly "free" healthcare?

 

Exactly...

It's easy to spend someone else's money...here, I'll demonstrate....just give me your wallet and we'll go up to the store.

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Taxpayers foot the bill...and that's not just some fat cat in New York City...that's you and me dude.

 

I didn't see that one coming from you, Fraggle. I'm not saying anything, but I didn't expect you to say that

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Anyway, small rant:

I'm sure I could make a persuasive argument for the re-nationalisation of trains in the UK. A 25 mile trip costs £10 return. I can drive there for £5. Finding a parking space for free isn't that easy (possible, though), but the £5 saving could be used to pay for parking. They want us to get on overcrowded, overpriced, consistently late or cancelled trains that run only so many hours of the day? Bollocks to that.

 

micheal moore has the right diagnosis when he says that our health care system is corrupt, but he has the wrong cure. basically, the government puts policies into place that place strong barriers to entry to the market, and allows drug companies to jack the prices up. having a corrupt FDA doesn't help much either.

 

Why is it that Americans find out how fucked-up their system is when another points it out to them by using the very methods that were used to make them obtuse and ignorant?

 

Who cares?
As long as the truth is being proliferated. As long as people learn how to think for themselves. People who claim themselves to be educated are usually not self educated. They are educated incorrect information from moronic sources. Blind leading the blind is being educated. You can tell which methods are for the people and which are against. The methods used to manipulate people into not thinking for themselves are against the people. The methods used to get people to think for themselves are for the people.

Why should we beleive anything without question. Whether our education comes from the news or from the movie Sicko, the information should be questioned, and people should find the truth for themselves. When you actually learn how to question everything, you find that the movie is quite accurate, and the news is complete bollocks.

 

Here is my assessment,

First off this movie was debunked in another thread.

In U.S there is socialized medicine, it is called MediCare (SP), where ever this system is implemented\subsidized by higher tax rates, be it Canada, Europe etc.

As far as the high cost of drugs in U.S, i think Americans are paying for the research and free meds given to poor nations. It is this research that accounts for the cost and time involved bringing these meds to market. Another thing to consider is that once these discoveries are made they are copied and who knows what you are getting. Just like you will find antifreeze in foreign toothpaste, there are unscrupulous get rich quick people out there.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=22711&Cr=tuberculosis&Cr1=

http://www.kushand.org/art0023.html

 

No one is denied care. So don't worry about what Jesus would think.

And where is the morality in government healthcare? It's no more moral than a mobster throwing money around. First, you take money at the point of a gun, then you act like a big shot when you give a little of it away.

 

Exactly. The moocher jackasses think companies will continue to create new drugs once the government forces them to give them away for free.

As it stands, we have cheap drugs right now, generic drugs. Just wait a few years and all the cool new drugs you want will go generic and be cheap. Of course by then, there will be even better ones available.

That is, unless the government steps in and gives us "free" drugs.

 

No one is denied emergency care. Yeah, if you go to the ER with some immanently life-threatening problem, they are required to treat you. But people are routinely denied non-emergency care. That's part of the reason why health care in the US is so incredibly inefficient - people are denied care due to inability to pay for non-emergency problems that could be treated relatively cheaply, then end up going untreated until their problem actually becomes an emergency that’s expensive to treat.

 

People who can't pay are denied lots of things. The big question, however, is who is supposed to pay for all of it? Where does all the money come from to pay for all those things that others can't afford?

And do you really want to force some people to pay for the care of others? If they don't want to pay? What kind of "freedom" is that? What kind of governmental system would you call it?

And if you can force some people to pay for healthcare for everyone, what else would you propose that they pay for? Cars so they can get to work? Fuel to operate those cars? If we pay for some things for some people, why not pay everything for those people???

Baron Max

 

I work in a blue-collar crew of guys, every single one of whom has a chronic medical problem they can't afford to treat. Problems range from hemmerhoids and nagging joint injuries to broken teeth, congenital orthopedic malformations, and abdominal hernia.

These problems interfere with and reduce their lifetime productivity, their ability to contribute in "non-productive" ways to the community, and their enjoyment of life - their "pursuit of happiness".

Most of them have insurance, one way or another. But as it is private insurance, for profit, it is limited in what it will cover. It will not cover what they need, for various reasons.

And because the medical care in the country they live in is the most expensive on the planet by more than half, and if paying themselves they would be charged the very highest rates rather than the discounted insurance company rates, their ordinary wages will not cover the costs of the treatment.

Unless they get killed first, every one of these guys is going to eventually reach a medical crisis from their chronic condition, that will be five or ten times as expensive to treat as their current level of trouble. It will also cost much more in lost capability, time off work, medical and community resources used up, etc.

At that time they will be unable to work, and so their insurance coverage will be less, not more, than it is now. If they have not made it to Medicare age, the financial repercussions - from bankruptcy to neglect of children to car accidents from poor maintenance and inattentive driving, etc - will ripple out into their community and affect everyone in it. They - and their community - will also have lost many years of extra contribution over the time they were banged up.

This is a moronic, utterly indefensible, goofy system. Any of the systems now in use in other industrialized countries would provide better care than this joke.

The central problem is that a competitive market in medical care is impossible to set up. You cannot allocate medical care efficiently using a competitive market mechanism. You have to think of something else.

 

So, .....who is going to pay for it all?

Are you proposing to force some people to pay for the care of others ...even if they don't want to pay it?

And what else can't those people pay for themselves? Should some others be forced to pay for those thing, too? If you pay for one thing that they need, how can you not pay for everything that they need?

Why didn't they get better insurance plans?

I would be curious about your friends, however. How much money do they spend on entertainment? Beer, parties, fishing trips, boats, large-screen tv, Internet connections, cable tv, movies, dinner on the town, .....?

Baron Max