Star Wars vs Star Trek

Becuase every time they use them the explosion is omnidirectional

Yep, but if you really watch you see a reverse pac-man like explosion.

You see how they are used, like conventional HE munitions

 

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... Scott, why oh why Scott... turning the phaser up enough to punch thru the barricade = instant death to a person. Most of the time they DO want prisoners. A lot of the time there is stuff nearby they dont' want to destroy.

Otherwise, why don't they simply suck them out into space? Or use a handheld photon torpedo launcher?

Why do the lasers in Star Wars do the same thing... hell, they BOUNCE off the walls (rescue of Leia anyone?). Why don't they JUST use thermal detonators?

See how stupid your argument is? No? I didn't think you would... idiot.

 

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Uh, no, no, and no.

The explosion is GOING to be omnidirectional- part of it is being reflected/redirected (shield impacts) and when it hits the ships armor and punctures the ship there is the EXPLOSIVE decompression of the ships deck before the emergency force fields kick in.

I have yet to see ANYTHING resembling Pac-Man in a LAW or Stinger missile detonation...

and the third one is covered by the fact that if this were true, that would make TriCobalt Devices nukes and Quantum Torpedos shaped charges (by modern day standards of course)

 

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The REASON they didn't is because, for whatever odd reason, it just happened.

And it IS one episode out of how many hundreds... if you want to fight by this, all our characters are now immune to the force just like the flying elephant faced guy from Episode 1 (the guy who used Anakin and his mum)

 

Interesting. In The Changeling, we find a meter long attacker is able to deal 90x the power of a photon torp. The Enterprise is able to take five hits before they lose shields. This is with a small bolt weapon. Going by your idea, this is impossible. These beams are not only small, but more powerful than their own weapons, and yet they take that damage. How do you explain this?

Fact is, your wrong. Again, multiple examples over one small example that involves a demi-god like power whose reace is known for its trickery. Yeah, real good solid example there buddy. And furthermore, this would assume that 400 gigawatts means our example of 400 gigawatts. Given the situation and what we've seen of UFP ships, this would not be the case.

You fail horribly.

 

Well your fully welcome to have all your troydarians immune to mind tricks from simple Jedi, however as almost all of your races are genetically compatiable with Humans, your SOL on your little wish list.

If you would actually read what I am trying to do it is ro reconcile canon information like that. Is it hard to imagine that your shields are the energy equivalent of chain mail that fixes itself? Great against broad impacts but vulnerable to pinpoint strikes.

 

But you notice the beam it emits expands to be the size of the ship (much larger thant 90 photons)

However Survivors is later date canon. Which it literally takes precedence. Present trumps past or future.

IE if the native Americans once had a cure for diabetes, but the decimation by white man destroyed the knoweldge could you honestly say Native Americans can cure diabetes. No, despite the fact they used to be able to.

 

No it wouldn't. A phasers are very small and cover a small area, they would sooner go dry than cause a large amount of damage.

Or perhaps because that would be dangerous? And how many times do they have a barricade? And you realize that most of the officers we see are security officers?

You mean ignoring the fact that a meter long attacker with much smaller beam weapons giving out a much higer yield was unable to do the same to a old cruiser that's enhanced version was outdated when Kirk was an Admiral?

Except it doesn't work that way. This is an energy field that works off a network of emitters. The only way to do what you propse would be to overload the emitters faster than they can compensate for the energy, and that would only deal damage to a small area, not take down six different shield emitters. Furthermore, the bolt that youy "Suggest wasn't a pin point weapon. The weapons impacted upon the shields and engulfed them.

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So here your theory is worthless, the ship's weapons engulfed the entire shield grid and in that case, affected it like a wide area dispersal weapon, thus making your theory no longer valid.

 

Did you fail high school or something?:bugeye:

No really, I have to just think about that for a moment. And what you suggest is retarded. Its not the same thing, as in this case you would have to assume that the engineers who installed this stuff would not have noticed that the old shields are much better. And furthermore, those blast hit a wide are of the shield. And going even by your retarded logic there, explain to me then how said ship is than able to take a hit from a solar flare of 20 million degrees F and not be destroyed, let alone three hours with shields down to 30% before no longer being able to protect them. Yes, please explain that to everyone here.

 

Lets face it- Scott flunked out of pre-school and now goes on the knowledge he can glean from rabid warsies like wong.

 

A little question : you just said St main weapons are torpedo's and Phasers are more to sneak though the shield and cause damage?
And phasers allmost never misses his taget?

Torpedo's can be targeted; so why does a UFP-ship get hit bij torpedo's.
Don't say the are in warp because they are visible to the eye.
Litlle contradiction here i think.

 

Ah the phasers going dry falacy again. Phasers don't go dry until you don't have enough power to fill thwe capacitaer. Also more that once a phaser has showne the aboilty to affect more than an acre.

Oh so becuase it might be dangerous you are going to leave an emeny in position who could very well decide he doesn't care if it is dangerous?

Like i said lastest is canon. Unless you are gonna roll out a constitution class ship. Beside the weapon itself was smaller but it was not a beam, but ray and by the time it hit enterprise it was hiting the whole shield at once, so not nearly the same effect.

If you are trying to take out a network that is maintianing a shape, ruing one emitter collapses the shape. Sure you can redistribute to raise the shields again but that might take a few nano seconds

Actually the theory is not worthless prove those electric arcs is not just the shield grid shorting out?

 

Actually graduated with honors. And am currently Deans list you?

Easy, Solar flare is wide and spread over the whole area of the ship. If shields keep the plasma from the hull there is minimal heat transfer. Keeping plasma from hull is relatively easy, provided you have the power. Which by the way in Descent took the entire warp core.

 

Ah mr ad hominem and no substance strikes again.

 

No you can't. It's logical that the further in time you go the more advanced you get but when you've invented a bazooka you don't go back to bow and arrow. I mean it is not so hard to have a shematic before you when you are writing is it.
If you decide at one point that your shields can take a direct hit of a large ship then you don't say a few episodes later your shield are less powerfull
see what i mean?

 

Thank you ST is so full of contradictions it is not funny.

 

I don't think it where the maquis. Isn't chacota a Maquis ? It was something called nihirim or so. Neelix seem to know a lot of the sektes.
There main goal was hijacking Voyager itself.

 

Okay forget the shields

True Q Data directly says the warp core produces 12 billion gigagwats (per second) or 1.2e19 per ser second

Heavy Turbolaser produces 5.225e19 in a 1/15 second blast.

So it would take the enterprises warp core 4.35 second to produce enough power to match one heavy turbolaser in power output.

How can your shields hope to match against 1 heavy Turbolaser, let alone sixty? How are your weapons supposed to affect shields that can stop multiple Heavy Turbolaser hits? How the hell do you thing ST even has a snowballs chance in hell?

 

Star Wars won, is winning, and will win for ever and always!!!

 

once more scott, prove that they ARE the shield grid shorting out...

you cannot

SO WHY DO YOU BRING THIS SHIT UP?