Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Since when have you provided that?
     
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  3. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    there's a differce of taking of 40% of the CRUST and completly oblivarating the planet. and that's without presuming there was a shield. I have no evidence so i won't use it.
     
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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, but "ST Cannon" fully supports the following too:

    The people controlling the creature had complete control over mass and energy. Thus, Worf's readings could have been wrong, they could have dropped the shields, they could have screwed with the instruments, etc. Any number of other things.

    And I cannot "rpesent" (I assume you me represent? God, go back to the fifth grade) them because I am not an expert in asteroid physics. What I CAN represent is this:

    We do NOT know the makeup of the asteroids
    We do NOT know the actual size of the asteroids
    We do NOT know the density of the asteroids

    Also, watching the scene, it seems more like the asteroids were fragmented and not vaporized. And if the asteroids could be cleared as easily as you assume, why didn't they continue to pursue the falcon?
     
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed there is a difference. The thing is, you're small star wars fleet cannot obliterate a planets crust.

    Most any star trek ships can band together to do so- anything roughly destroyer sized or up can do it, so long as it has photon torpedo tubes.

    hell, with Tricobalt devices they would only need one, maybe two ships.

    And there was no shield on alderran- there is evidence saying there WASN'T one.
     
  8. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Ooooh, A nice lie. You forgot Tremaine TOS and the Caretaker array VOY. Also remember Roddenberry was a big fan of the phrase "A sufficently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic." It was a term he lived by for his shows.

    Second when he lost acess to his technology would be akin to you suddenly being stripped of everything and dropped on a deserted island.


    She was not able to force true emotions. She merely adjusted his hormone levels. Remember she was studying to be a doctor.


    Hey anyone could have just looked it up, besides it wasn't Wong, but a board owner who Darkstar had been ragging on.
     
  9. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Since you started spewing your garbage.
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Are you retarded or just a habitual liar? Q = Omnipotent and very powerful. And what does the caretaker array have to do with the Q being supernatural?

    THEY SAID THEMSELVES- one day Humanity will surpass the Q in power. NOT TECHNOLOGY, POWER.
     
  11. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    And also, adjusting hormone levels without the obvious use of a tool or machine... that seems kind of supernatural to me.
     
  12. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    I question your Galaxy class base shield yield on the account that you chose the lowest number you could find and posted it as the average. How about all of these hgih end quotes?

    The Die is Cast:

    The Die is Cast:

    Scorpion Part II:


    Janeway declines to create a weapon of mass destruction and suggests they work on Voyager's torpedoes instead. Seven activates another display :

    The Expanse:

    Or how about this big ass explosion from Skin of Evil? This is instantly after the torp hits.

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  13. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Good points hellblade!

    I'm glad someone here has a very good knowledge of trek- mine is not 100% so i have to check facts which gets tedious after a while.
     
  14. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    ...Wow. Too bad that Q is neither Tremaine or the Caretaker array. In fact, there is no evidence to support this at all. You have proven nothing while there is ample evidence to prove that he has supernatural powers.




    Bullshit. She had very clearly changed his mind in a matter of moments. Increasing someones hormone levels does not mean that they will instantly change their way of thinking because they've got a hard on. Furthermore, you do not provide evidence that she does this.
     
  15. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    But this still would mean that the CREW expected a 400 gw blast to drop the shields as NOBODY cried foul. So even your argument supports 400 gw.

    God, way tp pick on a typo, and it would be present.

    Actually given their description we know they are of a type that is very often nickel-iron. In a later novel they are described as being abnormally high in the metals to make Durasteel. So my upposition is a close enough guess.

    We know the sizes form the chase scene past the Millenium Falcon and novelization.

    Density of such asteroids can be assumed to be 100% or close enought to it. After all the field was cuased by two planets colliding.




    Get some glasses those were obviously vaporized and ships were pursuing the Falcon, but had lost the last position so needed to start a search.
     
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  16. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    as can I my dear bountyhunter
     
  17. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    That's 30%, and it was in the first barrage, hardly something SW has shown to do without the Death Star.
     
  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    A 10% density?

    So 90% air?

    Wow... that seriously analy rapes your power ratings doesn't it.
     
  19. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, given that a sonic mine worked in Episode II, one might think there is alot more air floating around in SW space, or else that weapon wouldn't have worked.
     
  20. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    So what you are telling me is a mere asteroid field is enough to loose ships in? So you cannot re-tune your sensors at all? Or send out probes? or other such things?

    *shrugs*

    Even if Star Trek isn't 100% better off the bat than Star Wars, it's ability to adapt and to learn places Star Trek in a league of it's own compared to the seemingly limited Star Wars.
     
  21. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Yes but hellblade... air in space? That means there's something rather screwy there... isn't space normally a void for the most part?

    and by 90% air I meant 90% hollow space.
     
  22. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Learn to read that was a Seismic mine not Sonic
     
  23. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, that would be screwy. In fact, it wouldn't make any sense at all. It was more of a passing thought than any real point for debate.
     
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