Star Wars vs Star Trek

Beam them off the hull?
Planetary Assault Bots from Andromeda would be effective too, too bad they dont exist in ST...

SW has NO experience whatsoever in beaming technology while basically every advanced race in ST does. They have hundreds of years of experience with it and will easily beam the SW troopers into the transporter buffers and wipe the buffers... The worst way to go...

They still cant defend against transporters...

Yes, but the first Galaxy Class ship was the USS Galaxy.
The first Executor class ship was the Executor which drained over a dozen worlds of its resources to build. The Empire clearly does not have many more... Plus, since it has been determined that SW and ST weapons are basically as strong as each other, it wouldnt be THAT hard to take out the bridge shields of the Executor and Photon/Quantum/Transphasic torpedo it...

 

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That and the Federation can turn, say, mucous into Tritainium via the Replicators

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Just a question.
Does the Federation recycle all human waste too?
Uggh! recycled apple pie made from human pie...

 

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Buzz Droids, a sabotage type dropid that quickly drills into harden hulls searching for circuitry. Since ST has shown little to no ability to beam things off the hull, in fact they seemed to have no ability in that regard or they could have beamed the communications array away from the ship in First Contact.

Provided anyone in ST has been seen doing it in an episode or movie. We have not seen a single instance of this in all of Star Trek, despite the obvious need. In fact in all of Star trek, invcluding Insurrection not one person thought this was possible or even feasible, even the So'na. They kidnapped people but did not wipe the buffers, despite their intent to kill them.

Actually, since just about any dense material or any energy fireld as well as most radiation types make Transoporters useless, SW troopers can easily defend them selves with just scan blockers, ECM and low level focefeilds.

Actually the Executor drained the yearly production of a dozen worlds. Subsequent builds, more than 1000 including one hidden in Coruscant, were not a draining as they knew what would work and what wouldn't. Just like the first Death Star took 20 years to perfect and the second only 6 months.

As for ST weaponry being equal to SW weaponry, that is a grandiose lie. It has been proven time and time again that most ST weaponry is sub 400 gigajoules or under 97 kilotons. SW canon holds 12.5 gigatons for Heavy Turbolasers used on it capital ships. The only way a Photon/Quantum/Transphasic torpedo would take out the bridge of the executor is if the ship dropped it shields, stood still and fed the coorinates to the Fed vessel, even then I give only a 50% chance of hitting

 

Actually there is still gravity as any scientist know, it is just far to weak to have much of an effect tio counter inertia.

However Warp is a bubble, two actually, one pulls apart the reality of space and then the ship is pushed into the "vaccuum" the second resembles space behind the ship so there is no temporal/spatial damage.

 

Actually no it can't, complex material like Tritanium, phaser focussing crystals, latnium and dilithium are not replicatable. Also note that replicated food and beverages do not taste like natural foods.

 

The communications array was HUGE... that and they INITIALLY intended to save it, not destroy it.

Idiot...You say we need to SEE it happen in ST for it to be POSSIBLE... yet because things haven't been proven IMPOSSIBLE for SW you say they are quite legal in this fight...

You have more flapjacks than John Kerry...

 

They have replicated Tritanium Plates before... latinum is a currency so replicating that is illegal... dilithium is replicable, but the materials required to make it are extreme.

They can replicate most ANYTHING that has a distinct molecular structure.

 

that and we hav a quote DIRECT from your books saying the max output of a SSD was only in the 40k range... nice... does this mean Star Wars has a couple DIFFERENT sets of cannon for whatever situation?

 

It's called canon, dumb ass and nobody said it was fair, not even slightly. Gene kept very strict controls of what he considers part of Star Trek and Paramount is following his wishes. Lucas only carred that his movies be considered the core canon, as it were. Where movie and EU has conflict in SW, the movie is right, always.

Even in that case you lose horribly, the ESB asteroid destruction scene trumps any ST weapon or effect, period. However we are limiting it to canon, and Gene and Lucas have both spoke, your opinion is neither desired nor required.

Lucas Arts has said time and time again, that the Video Games do not even enter the realm of Canon. They violate every rule Lucas put down, they do it for playabilioty, but still it breaks every rules. Games are not part of SW canon even as EU.

Oh and your opinion on that is neither desired or required.

 

The Communications array that was being added to the Main Deflector was not huge in any sense of the term. The Main deflector is, but not that tinker toy add on. Even then Shuttles are considered transportable with Cargo transporters.

Actually, in ST there have been multiple situations that match the need for the tactic of beaming people out to space or beaming them to pattern buffer and erasing the buffer. NOT ONCE HAVE THEY DONE IT. Even when it was of great benefit. Since not even diabolic villians do it then it is either impossible or unthinkable and either way it won't be done.

 

They have manufactured Tritanium plates, not replicated them.

It would matter if replicating Latinum was illegal some one would do it and therefore it would be counterfeited and quickly be worthless. The only secuirity of a currency is scarcity and if it was replicatable it could never be scarce thus it would have no value.

Dilithium is not an extreme material it is simply and isotope of lithium crystalized. However it cannot be replicated only recrystalized.

Replicator by canon are very limited and it has been shown to be so time and time again.

 

Where does it say this? Novel, author, page number? Oh that's right you won't say becuase you are resorting to lying yet again.

BTW Movie trumps books remember?

 

Wow about all you Star Wars fans out there...

Sorry to burst your guy's bubble but star wars uses primarily laser technology which would be ineffective against Federation (and nearly every other alien in the series) shields. Not only that but star wars DONT HAVE SHIELDS!!!!!!!!! They have deflector fields which are equivalent to federation main deflector arrays. Shields in Star Trek are forcefields powered by multiple field generators. When one fails another kicks in until the ship is out of power or those generators are overloaded. LASER TECHNOLOGY IS INCAPABLE OF DOING THIS! The Federation Surpassed laser technology before the time of the Enterprise Series. Not only that but Star Wars does not use anti matter weapons like Star Trek uses. Anti matter weapons such as photon, quantum, plasma, ect. torpedoes would tear right through star wars ships hulls. I'll be it the star wars ships are much more maneuverable than Star Trek ships but this is typically only true of their fighters. While more maneuverable than federation Periguines the Periguines themselves are much larger than say an x wing and are equipped with pulse phasers and shield generators. So good luck against a fighter like like, thats right, the Federation have fighters, what a surprise. Watch DS9 Dominion Wars Sacrifice of Angels, du! Also, for all of you Star Wars Fans out their please watch the last episode of Voyager: Endgame. Transphasic torpedoes would tear the hell out anything in one shot and the federation have that technology now thanks to Admiral Janeway and the Crinum Imperium.

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Canon is canon, this does NOT trump that.

 

Sorry, I want ST to win, but Quark has stated on multiple occasions that Latinum is so valuable since its the only material that cant be replicated.

Because they had nothing on their hull and the comm array was present at a period of time the Feds didnt have control over the Enterprise transporter controls...

In DS9, the O' Brien, Worf, Sisko, Kira, etc. were stored on the buffer accidentally and had to be saved or they would be automatically deleted after a certain period of time. Obviously, the buffer can be purged manually. Also, you can store one soldier in the buffer and keep making copies of him, as proven by Commander/ Lieutenant Riker...

Not necessarily. Certain shields etc. in the ST universe are based to block transporters. SW technicians have no experience whatsoever with transporters... Plus, SW force fields work differently than SW force fields.

So much for a ship thats to easy to take down by even Federation ships? Muc h less, Borg Cubes?

Grandiose lie? Like what has been spewing from your computer for the last 50 or so pages?
We have PROVEN that X-Wing weapons do no more than 20 or so kilotons. The Cross-Sections books extremely exaggerate the matter of "12.5 Gigatons." Bombardment by the 20 kiloton lasers do barely any damage whatsoever... and in Battlefront, the Sniper's scout droid can bring orbital bombardment, which is EXTREMELY WEAK. Video Games are canon, and if they are not, neither are ANY books...
You have the option to retain all your book canon sources while conceding your argument on the strength of your weapons, or you can invalidate all your evidence using books, including weapon strength...
Thus, no matter what, SW weapons are not as strong as you paint them out to be.

 

I thought he said it was the only material that was illegal to be replicated *shrugs*

And as for transport buffers- Scotty was held in transporter stasis for god knows how long when his ship was trapped in the Dyson Sphere.

Also, for proof that trek shields block physical matter where wars shields don't-

Wars ships can manuver between the shield grids of larger vessels. On Trek the Miranda held open the doors of the DysonSphere with her own shields (eventually causing the destruction of the ship though)

 

Oh, and Scott- Dilithium is a 100% fictional substance. Don't try to say what it is made of... dumbass.

 

Only natural material that can't be replicated. Several crystals and alloys cannont be as well.

Actually they did, as well as some cargo bays and at least one shuttle bay.

But they don't THINK to do it. The Riker thing was done becuase it was thought only One woulod survive. See there is little difference be tween can't do it and won't think to.

Yes, but 99.99% of forcefields block transporters. In fact any shield that protects from damage seems to do so. Then there is pattern scramblers, sensor masks, ECM devices, Ion Storms, radiation belts. and countless material that block transporters. Besides SW is not stupid enough to invade blindly and Ferengi have no conscience when it comes to profit.

Are yiou kidding? if 976 FED GCS are needed to match the firepower of one ISD then the Executor is all but untouchable.

Battle Front and KOTOR are NOT CANON I repeat NOT CANON and Novels are CANON with MOVIES as HIGHER CANON. Your arguemnts here are bullshit drop them immediately.


BTW it doesn't change the fact that all SW weapons are sub 400 gigawats and SW HTL's are 12.5 gigatons.

 

Your proof that a STar trek vessel woulf not be harmed by a blast of energy that outputs 65 times as much energy as a Galaxy Class Starship? Yes we do know the Outrageous Okona line, but Picard was referring to the small ship before him with the magawatt lasers, not a behemoth vessel with 60 cannons each able produce more power than a large battlegroup.

Actually SW does have Shields, claiming otherwise just proves what kind of idiot you are.

Well as been noticed by many people Turbolaser do not exactly act like laser, but that could be due to the extreme power involved. ST loved away from Lasers becuase they realized that at their pathetic power generation levels they couldn't do anything with a laser. At such lower levels of power Phasers work better, however doesn't seem to be the case at higher levels. Witness you never see a Phaser a phaser used for anything like the Asteroid destruction in Empire Strike Back.

Actually we are never told what a Proton Torpedo is powered by, but we do know it is Gigaton level yeailds as it is used against SW capital ships. Besides Photon and Quantum torpedoes use a M/AM to form and explosion except in rare cases where the torpedo is a dud (Undiscovered Country) and no Explosion witnessed has been even as powerful as Fatman or Littleboy.

Given that an X-wing has more shields than an Amabassador class starship and carries gigaton level fire power I would say the Peregrins are in deep trouble.