Edgar Cayce - Fraud or Not?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by darksidZz, Apr 3, 2007.

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I think..

Poll closed Apr 10, 2007.
  1. He was a fraud!

    58.8%
  2. He was real!

    35.3%
  3. He was both!

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  1. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    It's a poll, one I don't think any of you have ever had before. I'm asking whether or not you think Edgar Cayce the all seeing prophet was a fake, or was he a genius with untapped potentials? Did he predict things honestly or just makeup stories to fool the blind?
     
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  5. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Reading that you called him an "all seeing prophet" was enough for me to vote that he is a fraud. I do not even know who he is, but I'll take your word for it. Anyway, welcome back. I was starting to miss your polls. As annoying as they are, I have grown to expect them and in some sense, demand them. Eh.
     
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  7. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Who the heck is he?
     
  8. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    Follow my link. Guy from the first half of 20th century who would go in trances and give advice to people. No different than the rest of the bullshitters that make money lying to people.
     
  9. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    What about Nostradamus? Was he a bullshitter to

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  11. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    Nostradamus was not a bullshitter! He was a true all-seeing prophet with magical powers that he saw into the future using.
     
  12. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    Yes.

    There are no prophets until it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are.

    It's interesting that people only said "Nostradamus predicted 9/11" or "Nostradamus predicted Hitler" after 9/11 and after Hitler. Where were Nostradamus's faithful before 9/11 and before Hitler?
     
  13. iam Banned Banned

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    i think people like nostradamus are good at postulating, foresight and thinking outside the box. That's why his quatrains are so ambiguous and creative. Probably spewing a bit of wisdom, armageddon, and insightful probabilities. Some people absorb information like osmosis, understand cause and effect and are able to insightfully predict outcomes. they know something but may be unable to express it concretely. We don't understand completely how the mind works or the full breadth of what it can perceive.
     
  14. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    I always thought that because consiousness has no mass then it's not confined to the physical laws of the universe, thus if by random chance you did travel in your mind somewhere in the future it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility.
     
  15. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Well this is heading for the Pseudoescience forum at 1 million miles/hour.
     
  16. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    I'm just saying, if consious thought contains no mass, and mass is the limitation to time travel, then why not? I mean heck isn't the mind made of a neurol network and it's basically electricity?
     
  17. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    Hahahaha.

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    Oh, wait. You're serious?

    Egads. Look, mass is not the "limitation to time travel" (odd wording there). Time is the reason that time travel is not possible. It only goes in one direction. Time is just the measure of the changing states of a system. It is a way of saying "things are getting different, and here is how". Old states don't exist out there, waiting to be traveled to. Time travel will never be possible, in any way.

    The best you can do is change your rate of forward time. Go climb a mountain and you will age slightly faster. Or crawl in a hole and slow your personal time down. But give up any idea of traveling into the past. It doesn't exist anywhere to be traveled to.

    And the mind is more chemical in nature than electrical. And it has mass. If I dig out a scoop of your brain, your mind will never be the same. So it was in that collection of cells, and it has been tampered with by removing some mass.


    I swear... a little bit of knowledge is so much worse than none at all.
     
  18. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

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    He wasn't a fraud, but he wasn't a 'psychic' either.

    He just had contact with the unconscious parts of his brain.

    "Upon time and space is written the thoughts, the deeds, the activities of an entity as in relationships to its environs, its hereditary influence; as directed or judgment drawn by or according to what the entity's ideal is. Hence, as it has been oft called, the record is God's book of remembrance; and each entity, each soul as the activities of a single day of an entity in the material world either makes same good or bad or indifferent, depending upon the entity's application of self towards that which is the ideal manner for the use of time, opportunity and the expression of that for which each soul enters a material manifestation. The interpretation then as drawn here is with the desire and hope that, in opening this for the entity, the experience may be one of helpfulness and hopefulness."--Edgar Cayce
     
  19. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Some of his prophecies have been shown to be false. They found no Atlantean death ray, for instance. I believe one or two of his prophecies are roughly analogous to real events, whereas the rest are unconfirmed as of yet.
     
  20. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    We should do an experiment. Sciforum members should post vague "predictions" in a thread for one month. A year later, we will bump the thread and see how many of these "predictions" can eerily be linked to actual events. My guess is that many of them could be.

    Every day people read truth into vague astrological nonsense. The fact that people who already believe these hucksters can find smoky links to real events speaks nothing of the predictions, it only demonstrates our ability to recognize patterns in noise.

    True predictions would be startlingly detailed and accurate and they would not require hindsight. Such a prediction has NEVER been made in all of human history. Never. Which should be just about enough absence of evidence to qualify as evidence itself.


    My first entry into the SF Psychic thread: I see a dark man doing something that no dark man has ever done before. There are people of all colors around him, clapping. He smiles, looking proud. There is something in his hand, something that signifies power, or accomplishment. There are people behind him. Something large hangs over his head. His dress is not usual. People will talk about him for a very long time.
     
  21. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    If you found an Atlantean death ray, would you make it public? Bad example. Why was it the U.S Government wanted Tesla's Documents so bad after he died? What is a death ray? Laser? Heat wave? Microwave?

    Some "hits" by Cayce are carelessly dismissed by debunkers. Dead Sea Scrolls(Cayce died in 1945). Great Pyramid built 10500 b.c (Archeology is arguing over this now).

    He really did predict WWII, though after WWI many could have. He went in great detail.

    He predicted a pole-shift beginning in 98', no one is laughing about this one these days.

    In 68', when he predicted Atlantis to rise again, considered a miss they found this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimini_Road
     
  22. iam Banned Banned

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    Their is much about consciousness we don't yet know to make such an assumption of 'never'. There are cases of people being led by dead family members or ghosts who saved their life in crisis, to someone dying thousands of miles away and those close to them knew it or sensed it. There is a lady i know who had a dream of a plane crash and it happened exactly as she dreamed before the incident and many more even more perplexing and compelling cases that science cannot answer yet. These incidents though cannot be planned or conjured by them, it's an experience they do not have an answer for either.

    Keep a bit of an open mind but be skeptical as well.
     
  23. Tyler N. Registered Senior Member

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    I need to research him more, but what I've seen seems eerily accurate (way more then nostradamus, btw.) One thing I've heard is that Edgar used to interpret dreams. So, some mother calls up and she wants to know where some earthquake-free zones that edgar prophescised were because she had a vivid dream where her house got shaken down by an earthquake and split in two. She is completly unreasonable. Edgar is trying to tell her that her dream means something else, but finally he gives up and tells her where the earthquake zone was. THere was never an earthquake. But, here is the kicker. A year or so later, the mother's husband divorces her, and takes 1/2. It would have been easy for a skeptic to say that since the earthquake didn't happen, the dream wasn't prophetic. You catch my drift?
     
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