New developments in AI

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by Rick, Oct 18, 2006.

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  1. mackmack Registered Senior Member

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    this is adveancement in AI and it will bring great changes to the feild of computer science. we can build things that are zillions of times more powerful than the computer you have. not only that but all the things that humans can do can be simulated on a peice of software. surgery, driving, flying, analysis, searching on the web, daycare, research etc. all can be put in a software that isn't aware of itself. but functions like an operating system or web browser.

    in other words human beings don't have to work anymore. money is not needed for commodities. and expanding the human race in the universe is possible.

    human level artificial intelligence
     
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  3. URI IMU Registered Senior Member

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    >> An infinite amount of information stored in some system>>>

    indeed, all the information of the world in one analysable number that has mathematically integrity. There is no "contrived" clumsy applications such as concatenation etc that we employ in word logic.

    Think about it, the brain uses chemically generated electrical signals, these can only be analysed via a truly mathematical process, no extra rules other than 1+1=2........

    <rocky horror show quote> "I have that power !"
    LOL

    No math, no AI.
     
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  7. mackmack Registered Senior Member

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    "No math, no AI."--uri

    actually your right about math being the center point for human intelligence. the brain needs lots of mathimatical equations in order to function. but the missing part is art. once i had a professor that asked the question:
    can new technology be created without art? the answer is no.

    one more thing about religion and technology. i beleive there is a creator and that the creator (could be one person or many) knows a lot about algorithms and math. but at the same time he/she/they know a lot about art too.
     
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    "No art, no AI", draqon ...lol....

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  9. URI IMU Registered Senior Member

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    Art and science really are kin..... art comes from within trying to get out
    whilst science comes form without trying to get in.

    Verbal Laguage is an artifact
    mentalese (the mathematical internal language that we struggle to define in verbal words) is innate..... it is the same language for all life forms... this is why interpretation of verbal languages is possible.
     
  10. mackmack Registered Senior Member

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    art is the key to anything in life. the greatest inventions in life come from simple ideas. things like automobiles, and even operating systems. it doesnt take a genius to come up with those ideas.

    my point with the neural network is that it is a simple idea but the creators just over did the math. this gave the network a fixed standard and no one for the last 35 years has even changed or modified the codes. 35 years! i looked at this nueral network and changed everything in it but i kept the original concept. the universal artificial intelligence program is faster, better and light years more advance than the neural networks we have today. the catch is that i don't use mathematical deduction and induction to prove my UAI works i use program examples and demos. its kind of like a human brain. we don't know how it works but because we have the program we can test it and try to determine if the human brain is intelligent. and of course we know from the output that it is indeed intelligent. not through match deduction and induction but by demostrations.
     
  11. Lomion Registered Member

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    Art isn't everything, though. Sure, someone came up with the idea of the automobile, but it took engineers and mechanics to take that idea and make it real. They had to calculate the size and material of each component, measure how much air and fuel had to be mixed, and figure out how to make things like the steering wheel change the vehicle's direction. Sure, the neural network programming needs to be reworked, but so did the original cars. Those things were clunky, wasteful, and dangerous. Over time, they grew more efficient and safe. It's the same with everything.

    We all understand that what we have now is clunky, ineffecient, and doesn't work so well. So who has any ideas about doing something about it besides whining? (mackmack excluded. Good job)

    I'm trying to develop some of the software for it from scratch, but I'm a long way from getting near the results I want.
     
  12. URI IMU Registered Senior Member

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    Have you ever looked at procedures used by computer programmers to represent written data
    for example

    DQAAAG7AAAAkyjQOz-vHke4U2lWVm1qXaKdacwBs5pzuOllHmhLepbWbZgzp1dGhigN0M5hQx1TMxRuwaz_KtPEGGUEan0xgjfGvWpOwPLCEwh9sQ0aABV2yjDgmlK2nPOpzCWzD4lJULPrjgW07-KTNPQpNGhiZ

    represents "something" trivial as part of an "encoded" address ID.

    Ludicrous IMO.

    One math-analysable number, not a string of characters makes much more sense, and the number to represent the "something" data above would be no more than a low value normal real.

    Computer programming is hampered by stale mental fatigue, IMO.

    You may gather that the power of even a slow computer can be quite adequate to handle AI using new math. It is a large data capacity that characterises a powerful brain as opposed to a simple brain with little attention span.

    The processor in a biological brain is quite a small unit, (most probably the equivalent of 4K or less) it is the type of math used that makes it so remarkable.
     
  13. mackmack Registered Senior Member

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    acrually the stuff i'm working on is the foundation for what you would call small unit. storing a lot of information into a neuron.

    imagine that the human brain records things in terms of possiblities. movie possiblities--frame by frame. if someone can build a machine that can store all the possible outcomes of life in the smallest amount of units(neurons) then that means building a human brain is possible.

    taking the average of something and then use fuzzy logic to fill in the infinite ways that the data can be interpreted. an example is the number 3. if there is one average number 3 stored in memory. --one neuron. and the neuron uses fuzzy logic to interpret the number 3, then you have data that can cater to all the infinite ways the number 3 can be interpreted. you can write the number 3 zillions of ways and the computer will still identify it as teh number 3.

    thats basically what the human brain is. it is a machine that stores infinite amounts of data in memory in the smallest amount of units. no computer today can do this. and if "someone" does manage to demonstrate that its possible to store infinite amounts of data into the smallest amount of units then that is proof that the technology can be used to build things like a human brain or --- machines beyond human intelligence.
     
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