Defining what is God.

"All Gods are imaginary, mythological beings."

 

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therefore a god that has actual sovereignty stands superior to one that has imitative sovereignty

the scriptures and the claims of saintly persons the world over suggest otherwise

I have already mentioned earlier that there is no point in discussing the form of something unless one is familiar with the qualities that determine the form, so my reluctance to take up your q is my attempt to keep the thread on track

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on what strength should we accept this statement?
Charisma?

 

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Wow, that's a nice display of stupidity there, buddy.

 

But you are NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
You have merely pushed the question from one word to another.
You have not explained HOW YOU CONCEPTUALISE - merely that you see eternity and infinity as similar concepts.

It is utterly irrelevant how I conceive of infinity or eternity.

NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION, PLEASE.

 

So, what about "my" answer, I think it's pretty good.

 

and I did answer it - I conceive of eternity much like I conceive of infinity, which is much like any other person vaguely familiar with abstractions in mathmatics conceives on infinity.

The reason i was raising the q how you conceive of infinitity is because it would provide some insight into the hang ups you have with eternity, since they both obviously work out of similar general principles.

At the moment i am puzzled why you would deem eternity an absurdity beyond the purview of even conception, when I highly doubt whether you would lump infinity in the same category of disbelief

 

To declare that god is merely the product of one's search for god leaves one with a god that it is not omnipotent. This god could easily be superseded (as outlined in the OP) by the conception of a god that is more powerful than th e net results of the mental exertions of a fallible person subject to illusion

 

Sure! So, where's the problem?

 

If god can be defined as that entity whom one cannot conceive of any other as being greater, you fall short of the mark

 

I don't think so.

 

Again - you are NOT answering the question.
I couldn't care how others conceive of it.
I am asking how YOU conceive of something that is eternal - having no beginning.

You are avoiding answering by equating it to infinity - but without actually explaining how you conceptualise it.

Please do not assume from my persistence in trying to get you to answer the question that I do have any hang-ups with eternity. I am merely trying to get YOU to explain how YOU conceptualise it - and get round the notion of something never having a beginning.

Again - you are confusing my questioning of your claims / ideas as a rebuttal against them - or a disagreement with them.
This is a logical fallacy on your part as I have stated no such thing.
I am merely trying to get YOU to explain how YOU conceptualise it.

And again - merely stating words to the effect of "well, it's how everyone conceives of it" is NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

So far you have gone "Eternity is akin to Infinity - which is easily conceived by many people".
At no point in this have you explained how you conceptualise something having no beginning.

 

I can't even coneive of the fact that all of recorded human history is but a dot in geological time.

 

You rightly can't conceive of that "fact" because it's b.s.

 

Hence, we reach the very foundation and basis of your entire argument, or lack thereof. Thanks.

 

Keep telling yourself that

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You said you couldn't conceive of the "fact."

 

How so? I merely asked a question that you didn't reply. I thought you were defining God.

 

Just because I can not comprehend the sheer age of the Earth by comparison to my own life time does not mean it is not a fact that the Earth is billions of years old - it IS a fact.

I'm not even going to get drawn into a stupid debate with you about it, as you would argue that black is white.

 

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Frankly I am surprised that you can't conceptualize eternity (or feel the burning need to determine how others conceptualize it) - this is the concept "something that will never not exist in the past and will never not exist in the future"

lol- well this is the first time I have ever been brow beaten by someone who wants to know how I conceptualize of eternity

most people understand what eternity is straight off the bat

Infinity has no end - do you also struggle conceiving of that as well?

Its the nature of concepts that they can be beyond one's personal experience or extrapolilated from existing phenomena - like one can conceptualize a mountain of gold after seeing a mountain and a golden necklace.
Concepts don't necessarily require proof (after all, the ability to perceive eternity is fully dependant on one's ability to refrain from illusory ideals) - concepts however do enable discussion, which is why they form an integral aspect of philosophy.