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Indeed, I can't.

But, if abortion is not murder. If abortion is simply a matter of a woman controlling her body. Why shouldn't she be allowed to kill all female babys? Or all left handed fetuses? Or all fetuses with an IQ below a certain number? Perhaps all fetuses with brown eyes? On what basis can you object to these things while supporting "abortion on demand"?

Notice I slipped into calling them fetuses when speaking of their wholesale slaughter. A trick of the mind that makes the whole thing seem less vile.

 

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You said it. Abortion due to gender is wrong. But abortion due to mood is fine? A woman has the absolute right to control her body, but not if she only wants to bear male children?

What about eye color, height, obeisity, diabetes, myopia, mental illness, etc. Over time we will probably be able to detect there conditions as well as the sex of the baby. Is it OK to abort a fetus with any trait you do not desire?

If not, why not. It's her body!!!!!! Why should she be forced to carry a female baby she does not want?

 

Thats just racist. ALL men like females. You don't "own" females so I don't know what you mean by "our", and I don't think females like to be treated that way either.

Also what makes you thnik Asian men will want American females? American females divorce a LOT, and are among the least loyal. You are correct, there will be a shortage of females, but that will harm us Americans more than it will harm people in China, and you assume they will come here, but I'm more worried about war. I worry that there could be a spike in aggression. It depends on what these males decide to do with their aggression, but if history serves as a guide, it's usually very very bad for diplomacy when there are way more males than females, it's bad because usually, culturally, and this is global not just in China, when the males want something, a lot of the time males think it's acceptable to use aggression to take it. Also, a lot of gangs and other problems seem to occur when the males are grouped up with each other.

In America, do you feel comfortable approach a group of young males? Likely not, even if you are a male, you arent going to want to approach a group of males, why? Because males are known for being aggressive, violent, gangsters, criminals and all that.

Women do the same sorta stuff, but males just have the threatening look simply because, most of the time groups of males do not get along.

I'll show you http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24761-2004Jul2.html

This is something that can be a security problem. It will mainly be a security problem for China at first, but there is no guarentee that it will stay in China.

There is also no guarentee that all these excess young males will resort to violence, I'm sure some of them won't, but anytime young men grow up and group up, bad things seem to follow. I'm sure most of us males can base this on our experiences, have we ever seen a group of young men hanging together who werent getting into some sorta trouble? Now imagine a population the size of China, and imagine where it could lead. I think the best situation would be if, in China women had a larger role in society, and then maybe it will be a happy ending, but if the trend continues and it stays male dominated, and theres more males, I don't see how it could be good for anyone, not good for China, not good for America, or for global security..

What could happen is that men from China could search elsewhere for bribes, there are plenty of women all over the third world, and if China is willing to open up it's borders this could be good. Don't automatically assume that American women are going to be rushing to go to China, but there will be plenty of women around the world who would just as soon go to China as go to America.

 

know what, as wrong as it is, you have a good point madanthonywayne. I think abandoning girls to die is a good deal worse than getting them aborted at an early stage. If we can solve the earlier, lets, then let's work on solving the ethics of abortion.

 

Don't worry, it's going to come here too. People will abort based on skin color here, so we Americans are no better. In the near future we will have the ability to select a gender and race, and all the abortioning will be ended, at least this sort.

Maybe instead of telling people how bad they are, you should just tel them about the technology that lets people select. Maybe women have it extremely bad in China, do you know what it's like to be a woman in China?

Would you be against it if black babies were aborted because of their skin color?

 

Does this mean we should abort the disabled? Afterall they will have a life of oppression, what about all the minorities? Abort them? I mean all minorities have a life of oppression. Would society really be better if it were filled with white males?

I think, while I don't like the practice of abortion, I do think parents should be able to select the genes o f their children. If parents decide to remove a certain gene or shut it off, or have only a certain gender, they should have that choice. They should be able to select the race AND the gender of their children, and if parents want to have all blonde white male children, they should have that option.

 

Women are useless, I can't blame them

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. Also, Chinese men will prolly go to other countries to satisfy their need for women.

 

What are men useful for? starting wars?

Ideally, men and women must be useful, or humans arent.

 

I am sorry to say this, but Chinese women are not exactly the beauties to strive for the life for. In fact...they rank the lowest in attraction amongst all women of Earth in my view.

 

Yes, but that's only because feminists have been fighting for 30 years to bring about more equality in this area.

 

I agree with selective breeding. I can agree to disagree with you. Why on earth would you want to birth a child into misery and oppression if you have the option not to? Racism is never going to end, it's going to progressively get worse and worse. If you could choose the race of your baby, why would you choose to have your baby be a minority? This is equal to two gay parents choosing to have their baby be gay, why would they do it?

I think humans should all pick a standard race, because people hate diversity and it does not matter what a minority like yourself says. It's not going to change the fact, that the worth of your life is based on the color of your skin, so if you can choose the worth of your babies life it makes perfect sense to make them worth as much as possible.

It also makes sense to make them straight, highly intelligent, and male, unless you are in America, then you can make them female. Do you see my point?

I'm a trans-humanist, I don't care what our species ends up looking like, as long as the species has a better chance of survival. If the species decides that brown skin is a disability, then parents should have the ability to choose white skin. If society defines blonde aryan to be the highest caste, parents should have the ability to choose based on what they can afford.

Why would you not want to have control over the race and genes of your baby? You want to give birth to a downsyndrome baby? you want to give birth to a baby that will be hated by the world because of it's appearance?you want to give birth to a diseased baby?

Thats a bit odd. You should back up your opinions with some reasons for why you are against gene selection and selective breeding because I'm all for it, I think we need to be as selective as possible, not for the benefit of any race, but for the benefit of the species. I think you can see at this point I don't care which race controls the world, because I don't care about the concept of race. I only care about the species itself, whatever race wins, should become the default race, and people should then choose to give birth to babies in the default race, because it's rational.

The problem with Hitler was not simply that he wanted a world of white babies. It was HOW he went about doing it. He decided to brutally murder millions of people. this did not help whatever his goal was. The holocaust was bad, not because of what Hitler wanted, but because he let his hatred guide him.

Let's see, if people could select their race, the result could still be the same, no one would be killed, no one would be harmed, it would be painless. What's wrong with this?

I'm not for the holocaust, but I am for selective breeding, I think people should try to have the most intelligent babies possible. I think people should try to have babies that won't be oppressed. I don't really think that an aryan world would look better or more interesting, but I'm also not motivated to control how the human species looks, I don't care about the aesthetics of our species. I like women of all the races so far, I have not met a race that I did not think at least one woman was attractive. From my perspective, it makes no difference which one becomes standard, and while I like diversity, and variety, I also realize the majority of the world hates diversity and variety, so ultimately, it's going to be that we either choose a race, or billions will die.

Which do you prefer?

 

Why so racist?

Chinese women are as beautiful as all the others. Unless you just don't like women, but thats your problem.

 

That's no more racist than saying that Chinese women tend to live in China.

 

To say they are ugly, is either racist, or ignorant. Which do you prefer being called?

 

People already tried that. They failed. Game over. The world is racist, and the people who are in power are old. You might not see humans as cattle, but humans are treated as cattle and have been treated as cattle for thousands of years, even before race was invented. You have to accept reality for what it is, because it's not going to change just because you wish for it to change, you won't get far trying to change reality, especially in your position. If you have not been looking at recent history, the civil rights movement did not end racism. No amount of policy can cure a flawed species.

They don't have to be in the majority, if the majority of the global population prefer blonde males to be in power, they will be in power. This has nothing to do with me, or you, because, at least in my case. I'm too young to matter. All the current situations you see now, are because of decisions our parents made, and the battles of the 60s, which I had nothing to do with. I'm more worried about the next series of battles, like genetic discrimination, and our species going extinct, the 60s is the past, and it's pointless to try to worry about the past. So all the race stuff, and vietnam, and all that stuff, it's from the past. The concept of race being black and white is from the past. The concept of the battle of the races is also from the past.

My generation has a different set of problems, we have to worry about the entire species going extinct, and if it's determined that the best way to save the species from extinction is to have one race of blonde aryans, then we should do whats best for our species. It does not matter who wins the "race war" or whatever the hell the older generations are fighting over. I'm only concerned with the human race and it's survival into the distant future, and the current concept of race is threatening the survival of our species. Our species includes blondes, you do realize that don't you?

I never said blonde is my definition of perfect species. I have no preference in appearance. I don't give a damn what any of you people look like. I do give a damn how people are feeling. I do realize that there is a lot of misery and hate in the world, and I don't think it will end just by making everyone the same race, don't get me wrong, I'm saying people should have every option to reduce the misery in the world. When you remove options, you INCREASE MISERY for people. That is morally wrong, do you understand this point of view?

If you don't allow people to choose, you will increase suicides and people will abort themselves.

I don't care about his race, your race, I don't care about his appearance, your appearance, none of it matters to me. This is why people should be able to select whatever appearance they want. I'm not attached to any of them. I think all appearances are equally beautiful and equally ugly, depending on who is underneath it.

The world society decides which appearance is superior, not you, not me. I'm saying if the world society defines beauty, why should you not be able to, with enough money, select the most beautiful baby you can afford? You and I, we don't define beauty, THEY do. And THEY means the racist society, which is the majority.

They don't have to be, I don't mean that sort of majority. I mean if blonde males hold the majority of the power, of course every parent is going to want their child to be blonde and male. This is not a good reason, but it's rational. It's the same thinking that a Chinese parent might have when deciding to have a boy over a girl. It makes perfect sense, don't try to pretend like it's irrational just because you aren't feeling it.

Gay people can have children.

Because thats what the racists of the world want. This is never going to end until they get what they want. So the option, do you want the world to end and the species to go extinct, or do you want a standard race? Pick. I admit, I'm not exactly comfortable with the idea of a standard race either, because I like the variety of appearances, and I'd get bored if all women looked the same. But honestly, I don't care enough about how women look, to value appearance over the survival of the species. I'd rather we have a standard race and survive than have diversity and extinction.

I'm not racist. Stop trying to call me a racist just because I have race neutral views. The views I have, would not harm you in any way, would not harm racists in any way, and would make all sides happy, as long as all sides would like to see a non-violent solution, and would like to ensure the survival of the species. I don't think about race in my day to day activities, other people do, because they do and refuse to stop, or just can't stop, eventually it's going to force people to selectively breed.

How bad do you want to see minorities suffering before you come to the conclusion, that race should be selected in the lab? Look at Africa, the only reason Africa gets treated like that is because Africans look different. The different appearances are holding the species back, and only the species matters. We need to pick a race standard.

You just don't get it. First I don't hate. Second, I don't see you are a race, I see you as a collection of genes. Third, you are too naive to make sense.

You don't seem like a bad person, I respect where you are coming from, I understand how you feel, but you have to think with your brain for just this once. Your appearance does not matter, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it.No one is going to fight to protect your appearance, because the majority of the world at this time prefers the blonde look, for whatever reason. Don't ask me why as if I'm some sorta psycho-analyist, I'm not, and don't ask me why the world is racist, I don't know. I'm not racist, I'm trans-humanist. The difference between a trans-humanist and a racist, a trans-humanist cares about survival of the species, and cares about the betterment of mankind, as a whole, through intelligent selection. This could mean for example, choosing greater intelligence in the lab just as easily as it could mean choosing different appearances.

A racist on the other hand, and I've debated with some on this forum, would rather not have people be able to select their genes, at least if the racist is poor and cannot afford to select.You see, in the trans-humanist world, class becomes race. If you can afford to design your baby, you'll have an intelligent, perfectly beautiful baby, if you can't, you'll have to deal with whatever your genepool gives you.

Race will exist either way, but in the trans-humanist world, people will have more control, their babies WILL be intelligent because we will eventually find the genes that control this. Babies can be whatever race parents want, if the parents start to believe that black is beautiful, parents can select dark skin, no ones going to stop them, however if parents continue to think as they do now, and things stay as they do right now, then parents should have the option to choose whatever race they want for their baby. If you want to, you could choose to have whatever you want for your babies appearance, whats wrong with this?

I'm not pissed off. You assume I'm racist, but you've never read any of my posts or know any of my views. I think you are more racist than I am because you are too busy trying to be proud, that you don't see the bigger picture, which is that our species will proudly go extinct if you don't do something to fix the current situation. You can be proud all you want, it's not going to matter when theres no world left and no society. You have to think about the world your child will grow up in, really think about it. Do you want your child to inherit all this?

Personally I don't place value on appearance, but the majority of the world does. Accept the fact that the majority of the world population are racist, and sexist.

The majority of the world is shallow, it does not matter where you go. I'm not shallow, thats why I don't think appearance matters, to me appearance is like the suit you wear to work. We all have to wear the same suit and tie, because thats standard, eventually race may become the same way. It's better to define a standard than to watch the company go bankrupt over something stupid like dresscodes and other bullshit. If not a standard, at least let people choose what to wear to work.

Consequentialism, does the species ultimately survive? If yes, then my point is morally correct even if it's distasteful, it's not like you have any better idea, do you? Of course you don't. If you did we'd have heard your better ideas.

You assume I'm only capable of making arguements from my personal point of view. If I don't care, I literally don't care, and I can make the arguement from any point of view. If the world were run by Asians, then I'd have said all children should look Asian, if the world were run by Africans, I'd say all children should look African. But there is no demand for these appearances it seems, it seems that even today, people prefer blondes. In specific, tall blondes. I never said I prefer tall blondes, I said the majority.

I never said I agreed with Hitler, I said that a lot of people agree with Hitlers vision. Many people disagree with the holocaust, not because of the vision, but the means, the methods, and the violence to bring forth that vision. I'm not talking about eugenics either, it's 2006, I'm talking about genetics. Eugenics don't really matter much at all, what matters is genetics.

How the hell should I know? The species already decided though. The people who control the world decided, they are the decision makers, and they define beauty and ugly, not me, not you, not this forum. Racism is just aestheticism, it's an excuse to define beauty. It's not a real science. I don't believe eugenics are a real science either. I think genetics are real science, because this has been proven in lab experiements, unlike race, unlike eugenics.

No one said you have to go extinct. You just don't get it. You are not your brown skin, you are your brain, your mind, and your entire body, your skin is the least important part of your body. If you want to define yourself by that then it's your problem.

What I'm saying is, if you can choose in a lab what your baby will look like, the brown skin gene would go extinct, the important genes will pass on, in specific the genes that the species collectively decides it values.

whatever, you are trying to be technical.

Maybe it's not superior, maybe you are right about cancer, maybe thats why most people on earth don't have white skin, but it does not change the fact that society is designed to favor white skin.

If you on;y care about the human race, then appearances don't matter. Aesthetics can be selected in the lab, as can sexuality, if you don't want a homosexual child you should be able to shut the gene off if we discover it's a gene, the same with obesity, the same with any of the diseases, if we can shut them off, why not? It would still be your child, the child would still be you, the only difference is the child would not have any diseases and would be healthier.

You are misinterpreting me. I'm not judging the world. The world has judged itself. The world is organized like this for a reason, because people who are older than us already made decisions which the rest of us live with. So bad decisions of the past, lead to difficult decisions in the future. Options are limited, you have to save the species from itself, how do you do it? do you continue to go on doing what you've been doing and watch us go extinct?

If I were wrong, why are there more racists in society than non-racists? Explain that.

Because some people hate your children just because they exist, and in specific it's because they hate the appearance, the same way some people hate spiders or snakes because of how they look.

This has nothing to do with me or you. This has to do with what the Nazi's think. Once again, you can go on trying to pretend like Nazi's do not exist, or like their opinons do not matter, but they do exist, and their opinions do matter. It would make a lot of racists happy if there were a standard race. It has nothing to do with us, it's about them. In order to have any sorta solution, you have to take into account the wishes of all sides. If millions, or billions of people, decide that they want a standard appearance, there is not much you can do to stop it. Just like if millions in America want to make certain states "Whites only" there is nothing you can do about it. Do you realize this?

So what is your solution? how do you save humanity from itself? How do you satisify all sides?
But that's just me.

What if the majority of the world disagrees with you? What if the majority of the world, prefers the Aryan caste?

You are right, I don't know what every individual is thinking, but I know how people are behaving, and it seems that the majority of the world accepts the ideology.

I don't care about races. My point of view is really simple. If humanity survives as blonde babies, so be it, at least theres babies. Would you rather we go extinct because you want to hold on to your appearance?

Because until our leaders decide to change, it's just the way it is.

I never said I disagreed with you. I'm just saying, our leaders make the decisions on which skin is most valueable. I don't, and you don't, and thats all.

If we had a black President, a black vice President, and if the whole EU were switched and black people were presidents all over the EU, and in Africa there where white people suffering, my opinion would be that humans have choose the black appearance. They are all human to me, no matter the position, the place, the appearance, suffering is suffering, and I'd feel it if it were white people suffering in Africa, or black people suffering in Africa, or asians, or any other kinda people. Do you get my point? Whichever group of people who is in control at the time defines the standard appearance, not me, not you. So it doesnt really matter to me who looks like what, all that matters is that the species does not go extinct. I don't really care what people end up looking like to be honest.

Because thats what the world society thinks. Ask the decision makers of the world why they make the decisions they make. Ask the census why it forces you to choose a race or even asks. Ask people why they still promote the concept of race, and still teach it in class, and in the same class teach how blacks were slaves since forever and ignore the rest of history, and in the same school teach how whites dominated and conquered the earth. Why don't you ask these questions, and get some answers, and when you get the answers, then you can decide what you want to do about it, because right now you arent doing anything.

Thats unncessary. I never said it's a good idea to sterilize people. I told you once again, theres no such thing as race, only genes. This means that sterilizing people is inefficient, wasteful, and likely to do more harm than good, really to me theres no difference genetically between the appearances, I don't think sterilizing people of different appearances would accomplish anything. I do think letting people selectively breed would accomplish something, because unlike removing genes from the gene pool, this allows people to precisely add their best genes to the gene pool, thats the difference.

Sterilizing I'd say slows evolution down, and it's a bit violent.

Sterilizing is morally wrong because it's unneccessary and it's violent. Abortion however, which accomplishes the same thing without sterilizing, how is that wrong? People who don't want children don't have to have them. I'm saying add choices, not take them away, can you see the difference? I'm not even for abortion, because I'd rather people be able to select individual genes, and I'm definately not for sterilization, thats going backwards, and it's even more morally wrong than abortion.

I never said that. I never said limit gene diversity. I said let people CHOOSE genes, and CHOOSE appearances. This does not limit gene diversity. What exact is your skin gene so useful for? What exactly is your eye color gene useful for? What is downsymdrome useful for? A lot of these genes, which we inherit, have no use in todays society. They might have been useful in the past, but now they have little to no use beyond aesthetics.

We are not in the 1800s, or the 1920s, or the 1900s, we are in 2000. You don't have to prevent others from breeding if people can select genes. But if people can't select genes then maybe you do. Do you see the point ?

You still don't get it. I don't know if you are pretending to be stupid or trying to be stupid on purpose. If you can choose your genes in a lab, then any two people can breed of any two appearances, and activate or deactivate the genes they want or don't want. There will be no need to prevent anyone from breeding, or to use violence, because science is advanced enough at this point to activate and deactivate genes without violence. This is not the dark ages where if someone got the black plague you had to kill them and burn the body, this is 2006, where we can cure the black plague in a lab.

And no, I'm not trying to be racist by using the term "black plague", but this is how racists tend to see it. So it's not going to matter how non-racists see the world, because no one listens to non-racists. Did people listen to Martin Luther King? Few cared what he had to say, in fact he got shot and killed.

Go to a Nazi website, and ask them.

Yeah so? You should ask your superiors why they want the world like this.

I dont. I let the world pick and I adapt to the global environment. It won't matter what she looks like because science allows you to decide what the baby looks like by activating or de-activating genes. You keep thinking in the old fashioned way, where how your baby looked was like rolling a dice, but this has changed. Now you have complete control no matter what you and your partner look like, which means anyone can have a blonde baby now, because it's just a matter of activating or deactivating a few genes. I guess you don't see the point.

I think dying over appearance is stupid. There are better things to die for. I think people want to defend their appearance out of pride. I don't think it's rational. It's rational to care about the species, in all it's appearances, and so I'd prefer if we preserve gene diversity, thats why I'm against sterilization, but I'm not against gene selection because sterilization decreases gene diversity while gene selection actually increases it.

I'm for diversity of genes, not diversity of appearance. That's the difference. I'm for gene diversity. I'm against sterilization because it limits gene diversity, which ultimately harms the species and slows evolution down. So I don't care if everyone looked like exactly the same man and woman, as long as they all had diverse genes.