What if our energy is not bound at all by the constraints of time, does that explain a lot of phenomena, among many other things, reincarnation, deja vu, psychic visions, i could go on.. thoughts please.. any precedents or references that i may study, please..

thanks

Hmm... how are you suggesting that energy is bound, if not by time and other restraints...because completely unbounded energy doesn't really work in my book...but then again feel free to prove me wrong.

What if our energy is not bound at all by the constraints of time, does that explain a lot of phenomena, among many other things, reincarnation, deja vu, psychic visions, i could go on.. thoughts please.. any precedents or references that i may study, please..

thanks

I can't quite figure out what you mean. Energy is clearly bounded by time and all physical laws. It takes time for energy (light, heat, electricity, etc.) to move AND it takes time for any energy to have a effect. Nothing involving energy happens 'instantly.'

What if our energy is not bound at all by the constraints of time, does that explain a lot of phenomena, among many other things, reincarnation, deja vu, psychic visions, i could go on.. thoughts please.. any precedents or references that i may study, please..

You seem to be using the term "energy" in a non-scientific way. What exactly do you mean by "our energy"?

There is no good evidence that reincarnation or psychic visions are real phenomena at all. As for deja vu, there are a number of reasonable scientific explanations for that involving the mind that do not in any way depend on energy being not bound by the constraints of time.

just a thought i suppose.. ive actually found several other references in the meantime that have a similar theory

by energy, i guess i mean, God, or that form of energy that people call God, not being restrained by the limits of time, i think that is pretty well documented.. so. . it seems this is nothing new.. it seemed big at the time i thought it though :) oh well right back to ecc. 1-9 . lol

I can't quite figure out what you mean. Energy is clearly bounded by time and all physical laws. It takes time for energy (light, heat, electricity, etc.) to move AND it takes time for any energy to have a effect. Nothing involving energy happens 'instantly.'


energy is eternal, you cannot create or destroy energy. energy also needs a frame to exist within, ie space/universe, and you think time is needed for energy to exist, so time must be eternal also, therefore both need the universe to exist meaning that is also eternal.


so by the logic/laws of physics the universe/time/energy have and will always exist in some form.



peace.

I think I´m experiencing a Deja Vú

Lol

I think I´m experiencing a Deja Vú

yeah most likely due to the mass amount of times i have posted that eternal energy/universe philosophy.


and i will surely post it again sometime soon, most likely in a few seconds in another thread. untill everyone understands that the universe and energy are eternal and have always existed.


peace.

energy is eternal, you cannot create or destroy energy. energy also needs a frame to exist within, ie space/universe, and you think time is needed for energy to exist, so time must be eternal also, therefore both need the universe to exist meaning that is also eternal.


so by the logic/laws of physics the universe/time/energy have and will always exist in some form.



peace.

I'm sorry, but to the best of my knowledge, the universe is NOT eternal. Eternal means no beginning or end, however, it is proven that the universe is finite - it had a starting point. Considering this, the conclusion is that the universe is not eternal, but rather, finite.

I'm sorry, but to the best of my knowledge, the universe is NOT eternal. Eternal means no beginning or end, however, it is proven that the universe is finite - it had a starting point. Considering this, the conclusion is that the universe is not eternal, but rather, finite.

It depends on what you call universe. Before we knew that there was a prior state of the universe that we experience, that universe was finite. As we move to understand a prior branes and multi verses...strings etc...it is beginning to look infinte as we slowly change our definition on the Universe to include everything prior and post.

As to energy, if we define by the EMF, then Time plays a part...if we add dark matter and conversion of dark matter to energy state...then that is a whole now world...no body knows, but the Eastern Philosophy does have some ideas....whether right or wrong...

It depends on what you call universe.

A weak definition on my part, but I call the universe the totality of all things.

Before we knew that there was a prior state of the universe that we experience, that universe was finite. As we move to understand a prior branes and multi verses...strings etc...it is beginning to look infinte as we slowly change our definition on the Universe to include everything prior and post.

eh...those are some farfetched theories that lack empirical correlation and testability, and without hard physical evidence are unfalsifiable. To be best of our knowledge today scientifically, the universe is definitely finite.

To be best of our knowledge today scientifically, the universe is definitely finite.

Perhaps this idea belongs in the Physics forum and not in the Eastern Philosophy...knowing the difference helps...:D

Perhaps this idea belongs in the Physics forum and not in the Eastern Philosophy...knowing the difference helps...:D

You're right. I was just trying to refute the idea that the universe is not eternal, but could only seem to do so "scientifically". I've noticed this (Eastern Philosophy) isn't a very popular neck of the woods. I wonder why.

of course the universe is finite. its constantly growing, something constantly growing has a clear beginning and end, BUT the "energy" behind this action has qualities that we can not yet comprehend :)

I've noticed this (Eastern Philosophy) isn't a very popular neck of the woods. I wonder why.

Takes a lot of brain power...remember the Bell Curve Distribution...:D

of course the universe is finite. its constantly growing, something constantly growing has a clear beginning and end, BUT the "energy" behind this action has qualities that we can not yet comprehend :)

A circle has a clear begining and end...finding where it begins, once the circle is there will be a tough one...for humans i.e.

I'm sorry, but to the best of my knowledge, the universe is NOT eternal. Eternal means no beginning or end, however, it is proven that the universe is finite - it had a starting point. Considering this, the conclusion is that the universe is not eternal, but rather, finite.

the best of your knowledge is flawed then, because you said "it is proven that the universe is finite". wich is a flase statement. due to the fact that by the laws of physics energy is eternal.


would you like to explain how you stumbled across this universal starting point?, and link me to the credible source for its proof please. and if your talking about the big bang then you dont understand the theory, because the big bang does not deal with the creation of existence.

you are a muslim, so you think allah created the universe anyway.

peace.

of course the universe is finite. its constantly growing, something constantly growing has a clear beginning and end, BUT the "energy" behind this action has qualities that we can not yet comprehend :)

you cannot make that assumption based on the fact of expansion and growth. the fact is that all the energy in existence (wich is a hell of alot), could not have come from nothingness. that is purely illogical and unscientific.

realise and brake it down to the core of what we are implying here at the root. to say that existence itself is finite, we are actualy saying that at one point in time, there was nothing, absolute nothingness, a void of existence if you will. no time, no energy, no unseen fabric of space, nothing. then for some absurd and illogical reason wich is actualy impossible, the universe just sprouted from the void of emptyness and existence along with a shit load of energy/matter came along too.

now there is a multitude of problems with this ridiculous claim, a single star cannot just burst into existence out of nothing, let alone billions of stars along with the fabric of space, time, all the plannetoids/rocks. it is sheer nonesense.

the human mind is the first problem, we think in finite terms, because we are finite. we think everything has a start and an end, simply because in the world we live in thats how it is. but if you use your real logic it doesent take long to realise that finity is much more illogical than infinity. because it is impossible to explain the beginning without something to cause the start. and for something to cause the start that start must also have had a start. wich leads us to an infinite cycle of changing events.


i cant believe in this day and age, with our high intelligence level, that people cannot see this simple logical problem with a finite existence and universe. the only problem with an infinite universe is that our minds cannot comprehend true infinity, but we have the ability to work around that, because we know that a finite universe cannot exist due to its own illogical nature of impossibility.


wether its a stable single infinite universe that always existed, or a constantly changing universe with many deaths and rebirths, i dont know ofcourse and i dont claim to. but i do know that energy cannot be created or destroyed, also that nobody can explain or even begin to construct a decent argument as to how something can come from nothing.



peace.

What if our energy is not bound at all by the constraints of time, does that explain a lot of phenomena, among many other things, reincarnation, deja vu, psychic visions, i could go on.. thoughts please.. any precedents or references that i may study, please..

thanks

There is a similar idea in Blake's "Marriage of Heaven and Hell"
"Energy is eternal delight"
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/images/blake_3.jpg
Blake's poem puts the words in the mouth of his devil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marriage_of_Heaven_and_Hell

What if our energy is not bound at all by the constraints of time, does that explain a lot of phenomena, among many other things, reincarnation, deja vu, psychic visions, i could go on.. thoughts please.. any precedents or references that i may study, please..

thanks

Our "energy" is not bound by time nor any other force in the universe, the reason there is time is because of the way our mind operates...this will be known eventually when time travel becomes possible...time is a constant, eternal force, it does not move or change, but all things change through time...

After all, matter is energy, and we are just a manifestation of an eternal energy that is not bounded to time and space.

you cannot make that assumption based on the fact of expansion and growth. the fact is that all the energy in existence (wich is a hell of alot), could not have come from nothingness. that is purely illogical and unscientific.

realise and brake it down to the core of what we are implying here at the root. to say that existence itself is finite, we are actualy saying that at one point in time, there was nothing, absolute nothingness, a void of existence if you will. no time, no energy, no unseen fabric of space, nothing. then for some absurd and illogical reason wich is actualy impossible, the universe just sprouted from the void of emptyness and existence along with a shit load of energy/matter came along too.

now there is a multitude of problems with this ridiculous claim, a single star cannot just burst into existence out of nothing, let alone billions of stars along with the fabric of space, time, all the plannetoids/rocks. it is sheer nonesense.

the human mind is the first problem, we think in finite terms, because we are finite. we think everything has a start and an end, simply because in the world we live in thats how it is. but if you use your real logic it doesent take long to realise that finity is much more illogical than infinity. because it is impossible to explain the beginning without something to cause the start. and for something to cause the start that start must also have had a start. wich leads us to an infinite cycle of changing events.


i cant believe in this day and age, with our high intelligence level, that people cannot see this simple logical problem with a finite existence and universe. the only problem with an infinite universe is that our minds cannot comprehend true infinity, but we have the ability to work around that, because we know that a finite universe cannot exist due to its own illogical nature of impossibility.


wether its a stable single infinite universe that always existed, or a constantly changing universe with many deaths and rebirths, i dont know ofcourse and i dont claim to. but i do know that energy cannot be created or destroyed, also that nobody can explain or even begin to construct a decent argument as to how something can come from nothing.



peace.

i guess the energy i am referring to has nothing to do with this physical universe which has a definite beginning and most likely an end.. and yes i love the big bang people :) i just know that the One behind the bang is the one that crosses all lines of our reality.

the best of your knowledge is flawed then, because you said "it is proven that the universe is finite". wich is a flase statement. due to the fact that by the laws of physics energy is eternal.

Incorrect. The universe is certainly finite. The universe is constantly expanding, according to Hubble's Law (I believe that's what it's called). In order for something to expand, it must be finite. An infinite universe cannot expand.

would you like to explain how you stumbled across this universal starting point?, and link me to the credible source for its proof please. and if your talking about the big bang then you dont understand the theory, because the big bang does not deal with the creation of existence.

And what do you offer as a solution to the creation problem? I believe in the big bang. It may not explain what happened before the universe existed, but I don't see you offering your own ideas.

you are a muslim, so you think allah created the universe anyway.

It's much more complex than that.

Incorrect. The universe is certainly finite. The universe is constantly expanding, according to Hubble's Law (I believe that's what it's called). In order for something to expand, it must be finite. An infinite universe cannot expand.

how does expansion of the universe and hubbles law prove that existence is finite and non eternal?. explain in further detail.



And what do you offer as a solution to the creation problem? I believe in the big bang. It may not explain what happened before the universe existed, but I don't see you offering your own ideas. then you have not read my posts, i have given sound arguments as to why the universe has to be eternal. you have not responded to my main post. i have offered my own ideas, it is you that lack explanation of your ideas.


It's much more complex than that.

so your not a muslim and dont think allah created the universe?

here are a few of my ideas, if you would like to debate and oppose them step by step i would like to see that.

you cannot make that assumption based on the fact of expansion and growth. the fact is that all the energy in existence (wich is a hell of alot), could not have come from nothingness. that is purely illogical and unscientific.

realise and brake it down to the core of what we are implying here at the root. to say that existence itself is finite, we are actualy saying that at one point in time, there was nothing, absolute nothingness, a void of existence if you will. no time, no energy, no unseen fabric of space, nothing. then for some absurd and illogical reason wich is actualy impossible, the universe just sprouted from the void of emptyness and existence along with a shit load of energy/matter came along too.

now there is a multitude of problems with this ridiculous claim, a single star cannot just burst into existence out of nothing, let alone billions of stars along with the fabric of space, time, all the plannetoids/rocks. it is sheer nonesense.

the human mind is the first problem, we think in finite terms, because we are finite. we think everything has a start and an end, simply because in the world we live in thats how it is. but if you use your real logic it doesent take long to realise that finity is much more illogical than infinity. because it is impossible to explain the beginning without something to cause the start. and for something to cause the start that start must also have had a start. wich leads us to an infinite cycle of changing events.


i cant believe in this day and age, with our high intelligence level, that people cannot see this simple logical problem with a finite existence and universe. the only problem with an infinite universe is that our minds cannot comprehend true infinity, but we have the ability to work around that, because we know that a finite universe cannot exist due to its own illogical nature of impossibility.


wether its a stable single infinite universe that always existed, or a constantly changing universe with many deaths and rebirths, i dont know ofcourse and i dont claim to. but i do know that energy cannot be created or destroyed, also that nobody can explain or even begin to construct a decent argument as to how something can come from nothing.



peace.

how does expansion of the universe and hubbles law prove that existence is finite and non eternal?. explain in further detail.

Hubble showed us that the universe is constantly expanding. This means that two years ago, the universe wasn't as large as it is today. A 100 years ago, even smaller. Going back through time, the universe would be one small, dense, hot state. This is the origin of the universe and all things today, which proves the universe is finite. An infinite universe is just...illogical. I can't explain it any better than that. What happened before the big bang, science cannot explain.

then you have not read my posts, i have given sound arguments as to why the universe has to be eternal. you have not responded to my main post. i have offered my own ideas, it is you that lack explanation of your ideas.

The universe is not eternal, because to be eternal you must have no beginning or end. The universe had a beginning, and it is theorized that it can have an end (Big Crunch, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong).

so your not a muslim and dont think allah created the universe?

No, I didn't say that at all.

Hubble showed us that the universe is constantly expanding. This means that two years ago, the universe wasn't as large as it is today. A 100 years ago, even smaller. Going back through time, the universe would be one small, dense, hot state. This is the origin of the universe and all things today, which proves the universe is finite. An infinite universe is just...illogical. I can't explain it any better than that. What happened before the big bang, science cannot explain.

in the scientific community, we dont use the word "proven fact" when speaking about a theory for starter. and secondly that dense hot state does not mean that before the dense hot state there was nothing. would you like to share with us where you got that infomation from? because thats not what the law reads.





The universe is not eternal, because to be eternal you must have no beginning or end. The universe had a beginning, and it is theorized that it can have an end (Big Crunch, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong).

and where is it proven anywhere that the universe had a complete start, from nothing into something?. who has been teaching you these theories? because you have them missunderstood. just like i used to missunderstand them.


No, I didn't say that at all.

so your saying allah did create the universe?




peace.

of course the universe is finite. its constantly growing, something constantly growing has a clear beginning and end, BUT the "energy" behind this action has qualities that we can not yet comprehend :)
maybe its the FORCE!! ;)

.. i just know that the One behind the bang is the one that crosses all lines of our reality.
you KNOW???
so why are you here asking all these silly questions??

you KNOW???
so why are you here asking all these silly questions??

why are you here asking yours ? i am hear to learn.. and yes i think everyone should KNOW, as you put it, at least one thing, no matter what it is, during their time here.