View Full Version : did a system reinstall, cant delete old backup shit


skaught
03-09-12, 09:17 PM
I had to reinstall windows. Upon returning, there is a folder in my C drive named "Backup" See the photo below. Its a useless folder that doesnt need to be there and is screwing up my defrags. You can tell by the picture what my problems are with it. Any advice on how to get rid of it? I have tried unlockler.

Also, I am running a laptop with windows XP, all current on the updates.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee41/skaught78/problem.jpg

Oh and wow. This be me 4000th post! Hooray!

keith1
03-09-12, 09:41 PM
Upon returning...I don't remember walking away. It may have asked to save a Windows version existing before your new install. You weren't there.
You could go into F5 or F8 before windows starts and start windows in safe mode. Try picking at it from there, or as administrator.

Or do another reinstall and hang out for the prompts to remove old windows versions.

skaught
03-09-12, 09:44 PM
I first did a reinstall with saving old stuff, but too much of it couldnt be deleted. SO I did a complete format. That got rid of everything except that cursed little folder....

keith1
03-09-12, 09:55 PM
If you have a legal updated xp, you shouldn't have any trouble getting microsoft to help you. check their help /support files.

Sounds easier than format c and repartitioning. good luck.

aaqucnaona
03-10-12, 07:39 AM
I had to reinstall windows. Upon returning, there is a folder in my C drive named "Backup" See the photo below. Its a useless folder that doesnt need to be there and is screwing up my defrags. You can tell by the picture what my problems are with it. Any advice on how to get rid of it? I have tried unlockler.

Also, I am running a laptop with windows XP, all current on the updates.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee41/skaught78/problem.jpg

Oh and wow. This be me 4000th post! Hooray!

Why win xp? Did you buy it? Pirate win 7, totally format the native disk drives and install it.

skaught
03-10-12, 08:00 AM
Why win xp? Did you buy it? Pirate win 7, totally format the native disk drives and install it.

XP is what came with my computer when i bought it in about 2006.

I did reformat the drive. This was left over after the format.

Chipz
03-10-12, 06:46 PM
XP is what came with my computer when i bought it in about 2006.

I did reformat the drive. This was left over after the format.

By default, Windows will install over the existing partition and try to retain data, it mixes old data with new data (outside system and program files). To properly purge all data you'll have to reformat again. This time, go to the "custom" or "advanced" settings. When it lists your partitions, select the large one -- delete it -- select the large space again -- partition it. Now it will for sure clear out the data.

skaught
03-10-12, 06:55 PM
By default, Windows will install over the existing partition and try to retain data, it mixes old data with new data (outside system and program files). To properly purge all data you'll have to reformat again. This time, go to the "custom" or "advanced" settings. When it lists your partitions, select the large one -- delete it -- select the large space again -- partition it. Now it will for sure clear out the data.

Yeah im not reformatting again... But thanks for the response

skaught
03-10-12, 06:56 PM
Damnit, wheres Macguyver when ya need him...

Chipz
03-10-12, 07:05 PM
Okay, then you can take ownership of the files --> http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/how-to-take-ownership-and-full-control-permissions-of-files-and-folders-in-vista/
This is for Vista, but it's approx the same.

skaught
03-10-12, 07:20 PM
Yeah when i right click on the folder, there is no "security" tab...

Chipz
03-10-12, 07:26 PM
Right Click --> Properties --> [Tab] Security.

skaught
03-10-12, 07:34 PM
No such tab brother
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee41/skaught78/notab.jpg

keith1
03-10-12, 11:01 PM
If you are running Windows XP Home Edition, you must start the computer in safe mode, and then log on with an account that has administrative rights in order to access the Security tab. Access to the Security tab is required in order to change security permission. If you are running Windows XP Professional, you do not have to start the computer in safe mode

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421

To verify that you are logged on to Windows with a user account that is a computer administrator, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/admin

You could try Backup/System Restore, and have two separate Windows files? No? Good luck!

Chipz
03-10-12, 11:03 PM
No such tab brother
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee41/skaught78/notab.jpg

And then there was one.

I guess my memory of XP fails me, thinking back on it now...it's been more than a decade since I used it with any regularity.

dumbest man on earth
03-10-12, 11:56 PM
Try unchecking "read only" box - then click "apply" button. Folder should now be able to be changed or deleted.
If that does not work - something is not correct with your "clean" install.
Did you use an XP "install" disk or an "upgrade" disk?
To do a clean install, it is important to delete all partitions on instal HDD and reformat before beginning actual installation.
Proper way is to put XP disk in drive - shut down computer - power up computer and ACECSS BIOS !! - in BIOS set BOOT to CD/DVD drive - SAVE CHANGES AND EXIT BIOS !!
Should come up to HIT ANY KEY TO BOOT FROM CD/DVD or similar prompt - at this point hit any key on keyboard.
DO NOT LEAVE !! - After a few minutes set up will proceed - depending on XP setup disk, you will get to a point where it asks exactly what you want to do; Repair or Install - choose install !
Setup should show your HDD and any?all partitions on it - highligt each one and choose "delete" - when you are left with only ONE partition, choose to format it ( quick format is fine and takes hardly any time )
Once it is formatted proceed with install !!

Hope this helps - if not - post back and the dumbest man on earth will see your post and we'll go from there !!

Aqueous Id
03-11-12, 06:37 AM
Try going through your DOS command line interpreter. See if you can set the attributes to -R -S -H, and then delete the unwanted stuff. It's a service pack uninstaller.

skaught
03-11-12, 07:11 PM
If you are running Windows XP Home Edition, you must start the computer in safe mode, and then log on with an account that has administrative rights in order to access the Security tab. Access to the Security tab is required in order to change security permission. If you are running Windows XP Professional, you do not have to start the computer in safe mode


tried safe mode. still no security tab, and wont let me delete it.


Try unchecking "read only" box - then click "apply" button.

tried that, wont let me. gives me the same error message.

If that does not work - something is not correct with your "clean" install.
Did you use an XP "install" disk or an "upgrade" disk?

With the disk that came with my computer


To do a clean install, it is important to delete all partitions on instal HDD and reformat before beginning actual installation.
Proper way is to put XP disk in drive - shut down computer - power up computer and ACECSS BIOS !! - in BIOS set BOOT to CD/DVD drive - SAVE CHANGES AND EXIT BIOS !!
Should come up to HIT ANY KEY TO BOOT FROM CD/DVD or similar prompt - at this point hit any key on keyboard.
DO NOT LEAVE !! - After a few minutes set up will proceed - depending on XP setup disk, you will get to a point where it asks exactly what you want to do; Repair or Install - choose install !
Setup should show your HDD and any?all partitions on it - highligt each one and choose "delete" - when you are left with only ONE partition, choose to format it ( quick format is fine and takes hardly any time )
Once it is formatted proceed with install !!

yup, thats what i did actually.




Try going through your DOS command line interpreter. See if you can set the attributes to -R -S -H, and then delete the unwanted stuff. It's a service pack uninstaller.

hmm... can you elaborate on that? Im not sure what this means.

Chipz
03-11-12, 07:28 PM
tried safe mode. still no security tab, and wont let me delete it.



tried that, wont let me. gives me the same error message.


With the disk that came with my computer



yup, thats what i did actually.





hmm... can you elaborate on that? Im not sure what this means.

Did you try yelling at it?

skaught
03-11-12, 07:33 PM
Did you try yelling at it?

Lol... not quite yet... lol

skaught
03-12-12, 10:18 AM
Turns out it a "junction" and not a directory, according to CMD. Though I am having no luck finding anything on deleting junctions on google.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee41/skaught78/junctio.jpg

adoucette
03-12-12, 10:49 AM
Its a useless folder that doesnt need to be there and is screwing up my defrags.

It's not even a file, it's a junction, so how can it be screwing up your defrags?

the contents of a junction do not take up any space (they simply point to the original files in the original directory)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_junction_point

skaught
03-12-12, 10:52 AM
I dont know, but when I defrag, it says that certain files cannot be moved. When i view the list, it points to this... shit.

skaught
03-12-12, 10:57 AM
My guess is that it is some kind of corrupted file.

It all started when I used some program, can't remember the name, to update all my drivers. After I did that, this file was originally in my C:\windows directory.

I then got a virus and used my windows restore disk to reinstall windows, but i selected the option to just fix windows and not completely reformat.

When you reinstall windows that way, it saves all of your files and folders and programs and creates a folder in C C:\backup. This folder will have all the contents of your previous stuff. So the offending file was then in C:\backup\Windows

I went to delete the folder C:\backup and everything was deleted except this folder.

I then got frustrated and did a complete format and clean install, but the bastard was still there.

I don't even understand how it could survive a complete reformat!

adoucette
03-12-12, 11:24 AM
I dont know, but when I defrag, it says that certain files cannot be moved. When i view the list, it points to this... shit.

Sure, some files normally can't be moved, but that's not hurting anything on a disk with over 50 GB free.

Basically a drive get's fragmented when free space is scattered over the disk such that when a large file is created it is written out in multiple pieces (fragments), then when reading back the file the read head has to make seeks to many different tracks just to read the file.

This Junction can't cause that problem.

Indeed, with disks as large as we have now fragmentation just isn't that much of an issue, and with the much higher performance (rotational speed, seek speed, transfer rates) of current disks I suspect it would be nearly impossible for you to actually notice the performance difference reading back a large file even in a highly fragmented disk (several years of use with only deleting files but no defrag ever run).

adoucette
03-12-12, 11:25 AM
My guess is that it is some kind of corrupted file.

Nope.

Leave it alone and get on with your life.

You have wasted WAY too much time over a non-issue.

skaught
03-12-12, 11:37 AM
Nope.

Leave it alone and get on with your life.

You have wasted WAY too much time over a non-issue.

*sigh*... yeah... ok. Thanks man!

Aqueous Id
03-12-12, 11:46 AM
Skaught - it's not a corrupted file. It's probably pointing to a former directory that's been erased. It's a remnant from your configuration before you cleaned your disk. If it's messing with defrag I'm wondering if it's creating an infinite recursion....anyway: you should be able to get rid of it with RMDIR.

skaught
03-12-12, 11:55 AM
you should be able to get rid of it with RMDIR.

Tried it... to no avail

skaught
03-12-12, 12:06 PM
What the hell??? Suddenly, it allowed me to delete it... Just like that??? Weird!

Thanks to everyone who responded!

Aqueous Id
03-12-12, 12:08 PM
hmm... can you elaborate on that? Im not sure what this means.

(I had said this was a service pack uninstaller.)

A service pack is an upgrade to the operating system, a patch, to fix some set of problems that Microsoft has found deep down in the operating system. In case it causes you some new problem, Microsoft provided a way to remove the service pack, an uninstaller. And that's all this is. Or was. Hopefully RMDIR will nip it in the bud.

Aqueous Id
03-12-12, 12:13 PM
OK good. Congratulations.

You can buy us all a brewsky....

:cheers:

(make mine Duvel.)

skaught
03-12-12, 12:20 PM
Will do! I owe y'all one!