http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/lights_out_030807.html
Not enough stars are being born to replace those that are dying across the cosmos, according to a new study supporting previous claims that the universe is headed into darker times.
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so - if it all goes out, could we still produce enough energy to survive
(let's presume that we will be all over our galaxy by then)
how will it look... probably it will mostly be a black hole universe (and all those dwarfs) We could gain energy from then...but what would be the likable methods to do so?
anyways - after some tome the black holes are going to decay also
then what? ok, some will say that it is time to die by then :D
anyways I think that with sufficient knowledge the best thing to do would be to create a whole new alternate universe by using the energy of our old black holes.
Anyways this all comes to a question - how probable is that we live in a multiverse cosmos, because that would be our (or any other lifeform from our universe) only chance to ultimately survive
kazakhan
08-09-03, 06:06 AM
From the articles I've read recently I get the impression that the multiverse will suffer the same "heat death" along with everything else, looks like we're screwed:bugeye:
yeah, but if multiverse is possible then we could create a new universe and then wait for it to cool down in another universe
kazakhan
08-09-03, 06:29 AM
The Future of Science Revealed! (http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/08/1435245&mode=nested&tid=134&tid=160)
A good link with more details from an interview on Slashdot.org.
invisibleone
08-09-03, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by kazakhan
The Future of Science Revealed! (http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/08/1435245&mode=nested&tid=134&tid=160)
A good link with more details from an interview on Slashdot.org.
I guess that's it then. the universe will suffer a terrible frozen fate . . it was kinda fun while it lasted. for some inexplicable reason, i think life will find a way to carry on somehow. . .
eburacum45
08-09-03, 10:43 AM
Oh there are some ways to make the universe last longer; in a few million years from now, it crosses my mind that our descendants will be starting to put them in to action.
1/ Make the stars last longer.
Some red dwarf stars now burning will still be alight and blazing away 30, 40 billion years from now; we could relocate our civilisation to live in artificial habitats around red dwarfs. Brown dwarfs will produce a small amount of heat for even longer.
Other brighter stars could have their life extended by Star lifting; stripping mass off their surface to decrease the gravitational pressure on the core and slow down the internal fusion,
making them last longer; the material removed can be saved to create small artificial suns at a later date.
2/ Collect the energy of the suns and store it. Each star, once it has been stripped down to a slowburning smaller scale star, should be surrounded with a power collection swarm.
the energy collected should be stored in a nonvolative form.
some people have suggested antimatter suspended in a magnetic field; this form of storage uses energy itself, so might not be the ultimate possible type of battery.
3/ Some of the Energy collected from the stars should be used to arrange for a long- term tendency for the stars to approach one another towards the end of their fusing lives, and ultimately to collide;
these collisions should provide a few billion years extra energy per collision, and as the combined stars get larger, eventually they will exceed the critical density and turn into black holes
(with the release of a massive amount of more energy)
Energy can be extracted from the accretion disk of a black hole as you drop futher stars in, and this process should supply for trillions of years.
3/ The low energy universe.
But eventually there will be little left to throw into the black holes, so you want to start conserving energy in earnest; convrting the entire intergalactic civilisation of the far future into energy efficient computers would save a lot; all life would exist as a series of Matrix scenarios inside these computers, powered notby human batteries but by the slow evaporation of the artificial black holes.
4/ Reversible Computing
After quadrillions of years energy will be so scarce that all computing will need to be reversible, using no net energy except to overcome inefficiencies, and to contemplate any new data (there wont be much of that, as there will be nothing happening until the artificial black holes start exploding at the end of their lives.)
With careful energy management computation could be possible until 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 AD, when the actual protons that matter is made of will start decaying.
When there is no solid matter left how then will we continue to survive?
Perhaps there is a non- baryonic form of matter that can be utilised which will allow a for longer period of survival;
there will be still Hawking Radiation available from galactic black holes until 10^100 years;
that is to say a googol years from now...
after that,
someone will think of something, with luck.
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Nova1021
08-09-03, 12:10 PM
I don't have any real answer to the question you posted, but it reminds me of an Isaac Asimov short story I just read that I thought was very good. Here's a link to an online copy of it. :)
http://people.inf.elte.hu/simi/szovegek/Asimov1.html
curioucity
08-09-03, 01:40 PM
I bet yes
reason: What makes universe exist must be energy, and most likely most of us agree that mass and energy are, uh, well, (duh, lack of terms...) same 'thing' under different 'forms', right?
Besides, starless universe doesn't neccessarily have no matter... our earth is a big example....
Oh, and assuming energy released from decaying matters needs long time to reform, that will just mean 'dormant state of life'
heh heh heh