Recently the news media has been bombarded with climate warming and all its ramafications, wars, famines,earthquakes, floods etc. My question is if all these things are going to happen in a short period of time would that make alot of atheists re-think their positions.

The destruction proposed by some scientists reaches epic proportions and would test every atheistic position.

Would such a situation promote religious wars on the pretext that this is gods punishment and you can only be saved if you're a member of xyz sect?

If severe climatic changes awaits us, we are indeed living in interesting times.

Why would the occurrence of natural events cause an atheist to "re-think their positions"?

~Raithere

Any type of an Armagedon event would scare even the most devout atheist. Questions are going to be raised about the accuracy of the prophesies and logical arguments about their falacies will seem irrelevent.

"There's no atheist in a foxhole" philosophy might get a boost. Pascals wager may become a good bet. If the green house effect is as advertised it might test us all.

Any type of an Armagedon event would scare even the most devout atheist. Questions are going to be raised about the accuracy of the prophesies and logical arguments about their falacies will seem irrelevent.

"There's no atheist in a foxhole" philosophy might get a boost. Pascals wager may become a good bet. If the green house effect is as advertised it might test us all.

God has nothing to do with it.

Any type of Armegedon effect would simply be down to changes of the physical Earth. No great imaginary being has any effect on anything apart from the weak willed.

God has nothing to do with it.

Any type of Armegedon effect would simply be down to changes of the physical Earth. No great imaginary being has any effect on anything apart from the weak willed.

As long as logic prevails I agree Vienna, but what happens when our thinking slips into survival mode. At that point you're trying to survive on this earth and maybe also lay a bet on the hereafter. What do you have to lose?

As long as logic prevails I agree Vienna, but what happens when our thinking slips into survival mode. At that point you're trying to survive on this earth and maybe also lay a bet on the hereafter. What do you have to lose?
I agree, when you've got nothing to loose you'll believe anything. That human nature isn't it, death is final and it's unknown. It also says a lot about believing in the Jolly Green Giant wouldn't you say.

Any type of an Armagedon event would scare even the most devout atheist. Questions are going to be raised about the accuracy of the prophesies and logical arguments about their falacies will seem irrelevent.

"There's no atheist in a foxhole" philosophy might get a boost. Pascals wager may become a good bet. If the green house effect is as advertised it might test us all.None of which sounds like reconsideration to me, just desperate wishing by people in distress... hopeful fantasy. While humans are prone to do this type of thing it's not really the same thing as reconsidering one's position. So I guess if your point is that such conditions will tend to lead towards and increase in religious hysteria, I agree. But if your point is that such occurrences will lead atheists to a reasoned and rational abandonment of atheism in favor of theism, I disagree.

~Raithere

Any type of an Armagedon event would scare even the most devout atheist. Questions are going to be raised about the accuracy of the prophesies and logical arguments about their falacies will seem irrelevent.

"There's no atheist in a foxhole" philosophy might get a boost. Pascals wager may become a good bet. If the green house effect is as advertised it might test us all.

Socrates once said "Fear is the pretence of wisdom and not true wisdom". Similarly, believing in a god out of fear is not true believe, only a pretence.

Socrates once said "Fear is the pretence of wisdom and not true wisdom". Similarly, believing in a god out of fear is not true believe, only a pretence.


Fear is a necessary ingredient in a any organized religion. Do as God says or else.... It's that or else part that keeps you from deviating too far from the path.

None of which sounds like reconsideration to me, just desperate wishing by people in distress... hopeful fantasy. While humans are prone to do this type of thing it's not really the same thing as reconsidering one's position. So I guess if your point is that such conditions will tend to lead towards and increase in religious hysteria, I agree. But if your point is that such occurrences will lead atheists to a reasoned and rational abandonment of atheism in favor of theism, I disagree.

~Raithere
Spoken like a true fatalist. Que sera,sera... as the song goes.

Fear is a necessary ingredient in a any organized religion. Do as God says or else.... It's that or else part that keeps you from deviating too far from the path.

There is a big difference between fear of god and being afraid of god.

There is a big difference between fear of god and being afraid of god.


Now you getting too intellectual for me Flores, could you expand a bit on that statement.

I was AFRAID you would ask me that. If I feared you enough, I would not have been in this position of being afraid of you.

There is a fear that is slavish or unquestioning, one that drives us away from the object, and there is a fear that is sweet and luring and draws us closer to the object…. God means for His power and holiness to kindle fear in us, not to drive us from Him, but to drive us to Him.

Fear any god but the false god Allah. Why? Because the mortal French hero Charles Martel, kicked Allah's virtual butt when he & his muslim armies tried to conquer France & the rest of the free ancient world. VIVA LA FRANCE! Ye saved us from the oppression of Islam!!!

Fear any god but the false god Allah. Why? Because the mortal French hero Charles Martel, kicked Allah's virtual butt when he & his muslim armies tried to conquer France & the rest of the free ancient world. VIVA LA FRANCE! Ye saved us from the oppression of Islam!!!

Ignorance is a bliss.

Allah is the arabic word for god you moron. God the creator of the universe and all man kind...I'm sorry, we muslims can't make a movie or paint you a picture of god.

Now go along and watch some passion of christ to understand the christian god. study how the flesh peaces were flying off his body and how accurately did the number of blood drops in the movie match the actual death of jesus. Go make Gibson a trillionaire. I have never seen any thing more idiotic than christians...Pouring their money to fatten Gibson's pocket and depicting their god in the most awefull way possible...Go figure.

Allah is not a blue eyed blonde hair Jesus with flesh flying all over the place and millions of idiots making Gibson's pocket fat by believing in him.

Fear any god but the false god Allah. Why? Because the mortal French hero Charles Martel, kicked Allah's virtual butt when he & his muslim armies tried to conquer France & the rest of the free ancient world. VIVA LA FRANCE! Ye saved us from the oppression of Islam!!!

I wouldn't give too much credit to a man defeating a bunch of malnourished, "way away from home", out of their league, freazing, lost muslim army. I didn't hear Allah was with them. Next time you make a sighting of Allah, tell him I say hello.

Allah is the arabic word for god you moron.

Cool it, moma. Of course I know that. I am just using that term to refer to the Islamic (false) version of God.

Allah is the arabic word for god you moron.

Allah is the arabic word for moon god... got it!

good

It seems every thread finaly reduces down to Islam,go figure.

Allah is the arabic word for moon god... got it!

good

So now you are teaching me and other muslims about a new god called a moon god? What does that make you? The moon messanger.

If you don't see your own ignorance and hypocracy, then you're really a hopeless case.

It seems every thread finaly reduces down to Islam,go figure.

This place sucks....bunch of loosers insist on ruining every single discussion.

So now you are teaching me and other muslims about a new god called a moon god? What does that make you? The moon messanger.



Nope, I'm pointing out that allah is and always has been "Moon God".

Mohammed raved about him. :D

This place sucks....bunch of loosers insist on ruining every single discussion.
Not ruining anything dearie - If pointing out the truth spoils your day then tough.

Nope, I'm pointing out that allah is and always has been "Moon God".
:D

Where the hell do you get that. Quranic verse please...give me one verse that tells that the creator of this universe allah is reduced to just a MOON.

Obviously you think very highly of the moon.. That explain you obscure worship style of moon lighting perfect stranger with your ugly white cellulitic empty of pigmentation ass. Don't confuse our screams of "oh my god" and covering the kids faces to imply that we think your white moon ass is a god.

Not ruining anything dearie - If pointing out the truth spoils your day then tough.


Well, it's true that your ass stink and that European women don't shave the underarms, I don't go raving this truth around in the middle of important conferences just because it's the truth.

Can we get back to armagedon, biblical floods and end of mankind discusions, maybe this greenhouse effect is cooking our brains.

Let's not just focus on Islam but rather religion as a whole, for instance it would be interesting to find out how would Christians/Muslims/etc react to an armagedon situation.

Let's not just focus on Islam but rather religion as a whole, for instance it would be interesting to find out how would Christians/Muslims/etc react to an armagedon situation.

How does a dear react when they are confronted with the truck headlight? They get called "Dear stuck in the headlight".

When humanity will be confronted with armagedon, they'll just perish, not much time to do anything else.

I was wondering if such an event would have any effect on atheists/ agnostics? Would such an event make a non-believer re-think his/hers position? Are all atheists going to their graves as stanch atheists or would there be doubters? If there's doubters, which religion would make more sense to them to join? What does Islam say about catastrophic events and of the world scenarios?

Where the hell do you get that. Quranic verse please...give me one verse that tells that the creator of this universe allah is reduced to just a MOON.

Obviously you think very highly of the moon.. That explain you obscure worship style of moon lighting perfect stranger with your ugly white cellulitic empty of pigmentation ass. Don't confuse our screams of "oh my god" and covering the kids faces to imply that we think your white moon ass is a god.

LOL! I can always tell when you are riled, you resort to racism.

Anyway this ugly ugly white cellulitic empty of pigmentation ass is telling you that you worship a pagan moon god OK....got it kiddo. :D

You see the pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.

Note the similarities to Islam today.. LOL.. :D ITS ALL THERE.

The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence.

Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god.

I was wondering if such an event would have any effect on atheists/ agnostics? Would such an event make a non-believer re-think his/hers position? Are all atheists going to their graves as stanch atheists or would there be doubters? If there's doubters, which religion would make more sense to them to join? What does Islam say about catastrophic events and of the world scenarios?

Greco , I'm a atheist/agnostic. I don't give a damn if there is a god or not.

If the world was going to end tommorow guess what I would think?

I would think - "Shit, the world is going to end tommorow".

No imaginary buddy is going to save you.

Yeah, I can hear Doris Day singing "Que sera sera whatever will be will be...,

I guess all atheists are going down with the USS godless boat.

Spoken like a true fatalist. Que sera,sera... as the song goes.No, I don't believe in fate either. I'm speaking about human nature. One aspect of which is that humans tend to lose their sense of reason under fear or great stress.

But I believe that the 'global warming' doomsayers are highly exaggerating the case. The Earth's temperature has risen all of 1 degree Fahrenheit in the last hundred years and might rise as much as 6 degrees if the amount of CO2 doubles. While I don't feel it's something we should ignore until it does become a problem it's not as immanent as people tend to indicate. Additionally, there has been no statistical increase of earthquakes and floods. All told, there's not really much reason to worry about it.

~Raithere

Yeah, I can hear Doris Day singing "Que sera sera whatever will be will be...,

I guess all atheists are going down with the USS godless boat.

LOL, you got it right there.

And all the rest are going down with HMS Tooth Fairy

Flores, don't let idiotic and irrelevant posts incite you into angry ripostes. If people wish to masturbate publicly it's best to ignore them.

~Raithere

No, I don't believe in fate either. I'm speaking about human nature. One aspect of which is that humans tend to lose their sense of reason under fear or great stress.

But I believe that the 'global warming' doomsayers are highly exaggerating the case. The Earth's temperature has risen all of 1 degree Fahrenheit in the last hundred years and might rise as much as 6 degrees if the amount of CO2 doubles. While I don't feel it's something we should ignore until it does become a problem it's not as immanent as people tend to indicate. Additionally, there has been no statistical increase of earthquakes and floods. All told, there's not really much reason to worry about it.

~Raithere

You're so right Raithere.

Although there are problems of "Global Warming" I honestly believe the problem has been blown up out of all proportion, there is more danger by being hit by a comet than from global warming

The only real threat to life on this planet is from mankind itself.

Although there are problems of "Global Warming" I honestly believe the problem has been blown up out of all proportion, there is more danger by being hit by a comet than global warmingWe will be hit by a comet it's pretty close to a statistical certainty. We just don't know when. In my opinion this is a strong indicator that we should work harder to get our asses off of this rock. Perhaps if we stopped squabbling over religion, nationalism, and other ideologies like three-year-olds over a toy we could solve some problems and get the fuck out of here before it's too late.

The only real threat to life on this planet is from mankind itself.We're more of a danger to ourselves than to life. We'd find it incredibly difficult if not impossible to extinguish life entirely. But we could make it extraordinarily difficult or at least terribly unpleasant for ourselves. The question is; what kind of world do we want to live in? Or, in regards to what I said above; what world do we want to live on?

~Raithere

Yo Greco,

Quote Greco:
"I was wondering if such an event would have any effect on atheists/ agnostics? Would such an event make a non-believer re-think his/hers position?"

What exact form does this event take?

Allcare.

We will be hit by a comet it's pretty close to a statistical certainty. We just don't know when. In my opinion this is a strong indicator that we should work harder to get our asses off of this rock. Perhaps if we stopped squabbling over religion, nationalism, and other ideologies like three-year-olds over a toy we could solve some problems and get the fuck out of here before it's too late.

We're more of a danger to ourselves than to life. We'd find it incredibly difficult if not impossible to extinguish life entirely. But we could make it extraordinarily difficult or at least terribly unpleasant for ourselves. The question is; what kind of world do we want to live in? Or, in regards to what I said above; what world do we want to live on?

~Raithere

Exactly Raithere

The only thing which is holding mankind back from working together is the squabbling over religion, nationalism, and other ideologies.

The problem with mankind is the tribal instinct it has, and that will forever hinder any world peace.

The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence.


Can you share with us these SOLID OVERWHELMING ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDANCE? The only thing I see in terms of evidance is your solid overwhelming idioticity and prejudice.

Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god.

Islam has no symbols...None. Countries may have symbols, by Islam doesn't.
Islam has no rites....None.
Islam has no ceremonies....None...praying and fasting is not a ceremony my dear, they are biblical spiritual things that believers do.
Allah is not the name of the moon-god. Check the bible that still use Allahom, plural of allah, and Elli, for the term god.

Here's what the Quran have to say "fully" about the moon and Allah. I did an entire Quran search for the occurance of the word moon and Allah and I pasted it below. Don't you think there has been plenty of opportunities for the Quran to claim god to be the moon if the intention was such.....Only Vienna's intention seem to be the only thing that wishes god is a moon.

The Cow
[2.189] They ask you concerning the new moon. Say: They are times appointed for (the benefit of) men,
The Elevated Places
[7.54] Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods of time, and He is firm in power; He throws the veil of night over the day, which it pursues incessantly; and (He created) the sun and the moon and the stars, made subservient by His command; surely His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah, the Lord of the worlds.
Jonah
[10.5] He it is Who made the sun a shining brightness and the moon a light, and ordained for it mansions that you might know the computation of years and the reckoning. Allah did not create it but with truth; He makes the signs manifest for a people who
The Thunder
[13.2] Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you see, and He is firm in power and He made the sun and the moon subservient (to you); each one pursues its course to an appointed time; He regulates the affair, making clear the signs that you may be certain of meeting your Lord.
The Pilgrimage
[22.18] Do you not see that Allah is He, Whom obeys whoever is in the heavens and whoever is in the earth, and the sun and the moon and the stars, and the mountains and the trees, and the animals and many of the people; and many there are against whom chastisement has become necessary; and whomsoever Allah abases, there is none who can make him honorable; surely Allah does what He pleases.
The Spider
[29.61] And if you ask them, Who created the heavens and the earth and made the sun and the moon subservient, they will certainly say, Allah. Whence are they then turned away?
Luqman
[31.29] Do you not see that Allah makes the night to enter into the day, and He makes the day to enter into the night, and He has made the sun and the moon subservient (to you); each pursues its course till an appointed time; and that Allah is Aware of what you do?
The Originator
[35.13] He causes the night to enter in upon the day, and He causes the day to enter in upon the night, and He has made subservient (to you) the sun and the moon; each one follows its course to an appointed time; this is Allah, your Lord, His is the kingdom; and those whom you call upon besides Him do not control a straw.
Ha Mim
[41.37] And among His signs are the night and the day and the sun and the moon; do not make obeisance to the sun nor to the moon; and make obeisance to Allah Who created them, if Him it is that you serve.


WHICH PART OF do not make obeisance to the sun nor to the moon;" DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND.

WHICH PART OF "He has made the sun and the moon subservient (to you); each pursues its course till an appointed time; and that Allah is Aware of what you do?" DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND.

Yo Greco,

Quote Greco:
"I was wondering if such an event would have any effect on atheists/ agnostics? Would such an event make a non-believer re-think his/hers position?"

What exact form does this event take?

Allcare.


Hey strech, read and weep.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0401-02.htm

They have direct link to pentagon report predicting greenhouse catastrophy.

I was wondering if such an event would have any effect on atheists/ agnostics? Would such an event make a non-believer re-think his/hers position? Are all atheists going to their graves as stanch atheists or would there be doubters? If there's doubters, which religion would make more sense to them to join? What does Islam say about catastrophic events and of the world scenarios?

Simple answer? All atheists will stay atheists, and if their was doubters, they wouldnt really have time to think about what religion makes sense, and since most have come to the conclusion none make sense, there probably wont be too many that decide to suddenly believe in a god that cant save them. Also what would be the point? As far as im aware not believing in god is a sure way to go to hell according to any religion, and since thats already happened believing wouldnt change their fate.
I think in fact its more likely that those that believe in a god that is supposed to protect and save them will convert to atheism if faced with certain death(and we all face it eventually), it would seem their life was a lie and anything they couldnt do according to their religion they'd regret not doing.

WHICH PART OF "He has made the sun and the moon subservient (to you); each pursues its course till an appointed time; and that Allah is Aware of what you do?" DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND.

I find your comments strange, because everyone can see a moon placed at the highest point on every mosque.

This thread is "climate change and prophesy" and we are digressing.

So I think a new thread is required here.

Fear any god but the false god Allah. Why? Because the mortal French hero Charles Martel, kicked Allah's virtual butt when he & his muslim armies tried to conquer France & the rest of the free ancient world. VIVA LA FRANCE! Ye saved us from the oppression of Islam!!!

VIVA LA CONSTANTIPOLE !!! the Capital of christendom is now MUSLIM capital !!

http://users.belgacom.net/tbtn/istanbul/pictures/ist0001.jpg

I find your comments strange, because everyone can see a moon placed at the highest point on every mosque.


These are not my comments, these are the exact quotes from the Quran. As far as mosques, they have nothing to do with Islam nor are they recognised by god in the Quran. Check out the only mosque recognised by Allah in the Quran, AlKaaba in Mecca. No crescent there my dear.

VIVA LA CONSTANTIPOLE !!! the Capital of christendom is now MUSLIM capital !!

http://users.belgacom.net/tbtn/istanbul/pictures/ist0001.jpg


And how in the world did it come to pass that one of the worlds most magnificent churchs was turned into a mosque if muslims fully respect other faiths and are so benevolent towards them?? Get ready for some bovine excretia coming thisa way folks. You also remind us of the peaceful siege and sack of constantinople by the friendly neighborhood muslim hordes :p

For the same reason more than 70 mosques converted into churches in ONE city alone, Granada-Spain.

Proud Muslim,
Are you aware of the arabic saying "GET TAKAHALHA 3AMETHA"

It means "Whenever you try to apply massacra to the eye to make it beautifull, you end up putting too much to the point of blinding the eye."

PM, the art of putting makeup is that noone can tell you have anything on....Apply that to religion.

Thank you sister flores for your advice, I shall take it into consideration insha allah.

Allah bless you.

For the same reason more than 70 mosques converted into churches in ONE city alone, Granada-Spain.
Riiiigghht, conquest, jihad, the muslim version of crusade ;)