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Varda
11-14-07, 08:40 AM
what happens if you mix them?

I was cleaning my bunny's urin and i threw some chloride on it, and it started to hear up and a lot smoke came out of it. I was wondering what that reaction is...

Exhumed
11-14-07, 12:22 PM
You get ammonium chloride, but maybe it was some other chemicals reacting :shrug:. Was it sodium chloride?

If you used HCl, you would get ammonium chloride spontaneously, and it would be exothermic, so it seems to fit. I assumed you didn't have HCl lying around to throw on urine though :p

spidergoat
11-14-07, 12:25 PM
It creates Chlorine gas I believe, otherwise known as Sarin, a chemical weapon, and very poisonous.

Read-Only
11-14-07, 01:22 PM
It creates Chlorine gas I believe, otherwise known as Sarin, a chemical weapon, and very poisonous.

Way, WAY off! Sarin is O-Isopropyl methylphosphonofluoridate.

Nasor
11-14-07, 04:39 PM
It creates Chlorine gas I believe, otherwise known as Sarin, a chemical weapon, and very poisonous.
Man, I don't even know where to start trying to correct that...

spidergoat
11-14-07, 04:55 PM
Mixing bleach and ammonia creates chlorine gas. It isn't Sarin, but it was used as a chemical weapon in WWI.

Enmos
11-14-07, 05:07 PM
It creates Chlorine gas I believe, otherwise known as Sarin, a chemical weapon, and very poisonous.

Spider is correct. Same when you have chloride in the toilet and then pee over it, chlorine gas.

Exhumed
11-14-07, 05:41 PM
Chloride refers to the chlorine ion, Cl-, such has in table salt...NaCl, KCl, HCl, etc., not the Cl2 in bleach.

Enmos
11-14-07, 05:43 PM
Chloride refers to the chlorine ion, Cl-, such has in table salt...NaCl, KCl, HCl, etc., not the Cl2 in bleach.

Bleach doesn't contain chlorine gas :bugeye:
It contains sodium hypochlorite (NaClO).

Exhumed
11-14-07, 05:48 PM
OK, I shouldn't have said it like that.

You guys are referring to bleach and ammonium making chlorine gas,
2NaOCl + 2NH3 --> 2NaONH3 + Cl2

Chloride is more likely to refer to one of the things I mentioned, like:
NH3 + HCl --> NH4Cl

Enmos
11-14-07, 05:52 PM
OK, I shouldn't have said it like that.

You guys are referring to bleach and ammonium making chlorine gas,
2NaOCl + 2NH3 --> 2NaONH3 + Cl2

Chloride is more likely to refer to one of the things I mentioned, like:
NH3 + HCl --> NH4Cl

Well, ok. I guess you are right when you say "more likely". But not necessarily though:
The word chloride can also refer to a chemical compound in which one or more chlorine atoms are covalently bonded in the molecule. This means that chlorides can be either inorganic or organic compounds. ~ Wikipedia

Exhumed
11-14-07, 06:00 PM
I believe it is referring to the compounds that have other parts of their names only, like ammonium chloride. I've never seen someone call a compound that has Cl covalently bonded as chloride alone.

In the case of salts you have chloride in the exact definition of the word, Cl-.

Enmos
11-14-07, 06:03 PM
I believe it is referring to the compounds that have other parts of their names only, like ammonium chloride. I've never seen someone call a compound that has Cl covalently bonded as chloride alone.

In the case of salts you have chloride in the exact definition of the word, Cl-.

I believe you are supposed to refer to it as a chloride then.

Exhumed
11-14-07, 06:06 PM
Bah. :p

Let's just wait for Varda to fill us in on what she used.

Enmos
11-14-07, 06:06 PM
Bah. :p

Let's just wait for Varda to fill us in on what she used.

lol ok.

VARDA !!!

S.A.M.
11-14-07, 06:26 PM
what chloride?

Enmos
11-14-07, 06:27 PM
what chloride?

Probably bleach.

Nasor
11-15-07, 08:56 AM
Mixing bleach and ammonia does not make chlorine (although that can happen if you mix bleach and acid). Also chlorine isn't usually a very serious danger, since chlorine gas is very irritating (in addition to poisonous), and it generally becomes intolerable due to irritation long before it actually becomes dangerous. If chlorine starts to be generated people are usually driven out of the area by the irritation long before the concentration of chlorine gets high enough to actually poison them.

The main danger of mixing ammonia and bleach is the creation of chloramines, which aren’t nearly as irritating but are still very poisonous. Since they aren’t as irritating, people actually stick around long enough to get poisoned.