why is it that when hot ass chicks get boyfriends they start to "dress down." like they don't dress to look good, they dress cos they don't want to get summons' for indecent exposure. it's wierd...anybody have an answer? :bugeye:

that made noo friggin' sense

Heres a simple explanation-

They dont need to dress up anymore, they have suceeded in gaining a mate. When they previously "dressed up" they were attempting to gain the attention of the opposite sex, since they have done so, they can loosen up and relax.

Our monogamous society only calls for one mate per person, so the attention of other males would only serve to cause friction in the existing relationship.

or the abusive ass boyfriends force the girl to dress up or else he'll threaten her and beat her.:rolleyes:

"They dont need to dress up anymore, they have suceeded in gaining a mate"

This assumes women dress to impress men. Which simply isn't true. The vast majority of girls I've spoken to would say women tend to dress to impress women. Ever see when a girl will seemingly check out another girl? Any time I've asked, it 's usually her checking out hte outfit on the girl - aka, competition.

The vast majority of girls I've spoken to would say women tend to dress to impress women.
lol tyler, a woman saying that is just like a woman saying something like "nah I haven't had that much to drink" or "I'm only a bit tipsy"
the opposite is true

Tyler:
Precisely. And once you've got a good boyfriend, you're up a point in the game - hence you don't have to try as hard to impress your girlfriends.

Originally posted by Tyler
usually her checking out hte outfit on the girl - aka, competition.

that is conventional wisdom. what are they competing for? guys! who are they dressing up for? guys! with whom is the endgame played with? guys, not chicks. the best dressed (slutty) wins. wins what? a guy.

The vast majority of girls I've spoken to would say women tend to dress to impress women.

perhaps they have already snagged a guy. also they dont really stop there. lipo, silicon....blah

Precisely. And once you've got a good boyfriend, you're up a point in the game - hence you don't have to try as hard to impress your girlfriends. (xev)

what the hell does that mean? if you dont have a boyfriend, you gotta dress to impress girls? doing this is "precisely" why the dumb chick does not have a b/f. she is focusing on the wrong sex!

also since we are on the subject of clothing, i would humbly request all bitches to dump the panties. guys need easy access. guys will be impressed. guys will want you. burn it all! burn it all now!

I agree
panties just aren't necessary in this day and age, what with the internets 'n' all...

spookz:

that is conventional wisdom. what are they competing for? guys! who are they dressing up for? guys! with whom is the endgame played with? guys, not chicks. the best dressed (slutty) wins. wins what? a guy.

More accurately, wins status among her friends and wins a guy. But men do not evaluate women upon clothing (unless he's gay) - they evaluate on looks.

what the hell does that mean? if you dont have a boyfriend, you gotta dress to impress girls? doing this is "precisely" why the dumb chick does not have a b/f. she is focusing on the wrong sex!

I'm sorry, but this is even more idiotic than your usual. Please re-read my post very, very slowly, and try to comprehend it.

:D

nope i need one more opinion to convince me of this particular instance of my idiocy.

secondly....

But men do not evaluate women upon clothing (unless he's gay) - they evaluate on looks.

if this is the case, why did you bother with your first post? clothes is the topic.

lemme offer an example... "holy cow! look at that chicks blouse! i can see her nips!"

now tell me xev, looks? clothes? both? the distinction is unecessary?

First of all... 3 cheers for spooks...

XEV: "But men do not evaluate women upon clothing (unless he's gay) - they evaluate on looks. "

question. if by best dressed we mean slutty(previously mentioned) then we are talking about what reveals the most. conclusion best dressed shows the best "looks." (eg. based onl looks...two twins...one wheres baggy cloths, the other wears those nice low cut jeans with the g hanging out the back and a see through shirt with a pink bra (girl had this on yesturday). hmm whose going to get my attention....


Burning panties. Interesting but, personnally i like seeing some nice little thong on a girl better than nude, just because it leaves it to my imagination and the goods always look their best there.

spookz, I think what Xev is saying is that women dress well to impress other women according to a woman's definition of dressing well. A woman's definition of dressing well is way off a man's. A well-dressed woman (to a woman) has on the latest fashion and perfectly matched accessories - purse, shoes etc. A well-dressed woman (to a man) has on the pink bra, low-cut jeans and see-thru shirt. And he'll never notice if her shoes don't match her purse.

Strange, maybe they dress down so that their boyfriend shouldn't worry about other males looking at their girlfriends.
Maybe the boyfriends even demand this.

I never dress down anyway, always up. ;)

I disagree with spookz completely and agree with XEV. A woman can turn on any men regardless of dress makeup, ect...any time of the day....if she is the only woman around.....All men heads would turn toward the woman if she was the only one available.......because men are dogs and they need constant mental images to masturbate on.... For me, It doesn't matter whether I have just woken up and picking up papers in my pyjama shorts from the driveway or if I'm dressed for a formal outing......the attention from a man is similar, although I get more honks with the pyjama shorts.

The only reason I would dress better or do things different physically is to outdo another woman, to establish my abilities and keep a grip on my territory. Unlike men who love images, women could care less about the faces of all the men around her, women like to turn heads...ALL THE HEADS, and they don't hate anything more than seeing heads turn to another women.... Competition sort of, not to win a man, but to win a situation, your envionrment, and it has nothing to do with sex.

hef
your qualifiers (if she is the only woman) is pointless. it is a brand new scenario.
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the goal here is to find a mate

scenario
chick goes to singles bar to find a guy. she dresses up. she keeps in mind there are other chicks that will be competing. she dresses up even more. she walks in. he see her. he approaches. she gets him.

tell me how other women are involved in the above scenario?

to say she is dressing up for them is to miss the point entirely. the point being, her target is not women but a man. her dress may take into account the presence of competing women but it is illogical to maintain that she is dressing for them

Xev: if a womens whole point is to impress other women. To turn heads. And men don't notice purses right? So why would a women go someplace where there are men who don't appreciate things like that? Maybe because she nows the others will go their to compete with men? but if all of this is true why wouldn't they go to a salon where she won't have to worry about those dirty pigs (men) 'honking their horns' as was mentioned. I think this sounds kinda contradicting.

Anyways, personally for most women i don't think its that they are trying to ease their boyfriends worries of other men looking. If i tell my girlfriend not to dress revealing, unless i'm physically watching her like a hawk as she's dressing she'll most likely yes me and then ignore.

This assumes women dress to impress men. Which simply isn't true. The vast majority of girls I've spoken to would say women tend to dress to impress women. Ever see when a girl will seemingly check out another girl? Any time I've asked, it 's usually her checking out hte outfit on the girl - aka, competition.

They need to impress men, unless they are lesbians and only care about the women's attention. Its not about impressing women its about "beating" the competition. They need a one up on the other females. There is no need in impressing women, the main goal is impressing guys.

Tell me, what would be the purpose of impressing other females? Do they want their sweet poontang?

The answer is no, they are in a state of competition for the MALE'S attention. There is no purpose in a woman attaining another woman's attention by advancing her physical appearance, the reason the appearance is advanced is to diminish the female competition and ultimately gain the male attention.

Maybe we are on the same page here. I just think the concepts were a little distorted.

to say she is dressing up for them is to miss the point entirely. the point being, her target is not women but a man. her dress may take into account the presence of competing women but it is illogical to maintain that she is dressing for them

Thank you spookz. Good response!! Same thing I was going for.

yah
tyler please respond with a "i am a moron! my logic sucks!"

Why would he do that when you're the one who's wrong? Granted, his reply was a little oversimplified, but it's essentially the truth. Y'all bask in the glory of the support of erm... those you get support from Spookz. Doesn't make you right.

I dress up all the time. I have a boyfriend and I still dress up. When I know I'm going to see him, I dress well, but even when I don't I make sure I look good. I encourage voyeurs. I like the attention. I dress to impress men and women, why limit it to one sex? If the women are looking, and jealous, good....maybe they'll step up their game.

high? drunk? ehh mr marquis?

I do feel that this is more complicated than we are making it out to be. Women dressing up is most likely a combination of attracting men, deminishing competition, establishing physical superiority, marking territory etc.

But to deny one of the main goals is the attainment of a male is plain wrong.

DefSkeptic:
There is no purpose in a woman attaining another woman's attention by advancing her physical appearance, the reason the appearance is advanced is to diminish the female competition and ultimately gain the male attention.

Power and status. Duh.

Xev-

Power and status. Duh.

Yeah thats another element. Thanks. I feel my previous post clarified the situation.

*I have a feeling you like to bang heads. Dont do it.

Originally posted by Bebelina
Strange, maybe they dress down so that their boyfriend shouldn't worry about other males looking at their girlfriends.
Maybe the boyfriends even demand this.

I never dress down anyway, always up. ;)





three things: first of all, if the boyfriend is worried about other males looking at his girlfriend then there is something wrong with the relationship, secondly if the boyfriend demands that the girl "dress down" then he's an ass and should be banned from all females everywhere, and third of all...bebelina, good job on always dressing up :D

*I have a feeling you like to bang heads. Dont do it.

I'm sorry, what the fuck verbal diarrhea are you spewing and what does my fondness for heavy metal have to do with anything?

I know that when I dress "well" (which is, like, never), my main purpose isn't to attract a man. Even when I was single, my main purpose wasn't to attract a man. "Fitting in", being envied by other women and being able to attract a man were my motives.

Woah now Xev...watch that mouth!

You said that attracting a man wasn't your main purpose, yet you listed it in your purposes. And what's this about 'fitting in'? You dress to fit in. That sounds a little ridiculous and desperate to me.

DarkEyedBeauty:
Woah now Xev...watch that mouth!

I'll stare at a mirror while intoning the word "cunt", will that make you happy?

You said that attracting a man wasn't your main purpose, yet you listed it in your purposes.

Yes indeedy, one can have a purpose without having that purpose being the main purpose. Sophisticated logic.

You dress to fit in. That sounds a little ridiculous and desperate to me.

Umm, yes.

If I didn't dress to fit in, I'd dress purely for comfort - I'd never wear a bra or anything but a band shirt and jeans.

Perhaps your neighbours at the trailer park have no problems with this, and you have no occupation but fucking close family members, but I have to work for a living.

This entails making sacrifices. While not looking like a reject from the Jerry Springer show may seem "ridiculous and desperate" to you, for me it is a necessity.

WOW. This thread is denegerating into a dog fight and I say we take seats and let Xev and the beautiful girl with dark eyes go at it.


Seriously though, WHY THE HELL IS THERE EVEN A DEBATE ABOUT THIS????

Firstly, how many females in the world fit the description of "dressing down" after getting a boyfriend? Secondly, how many of those females are here? Thirdly, why are you morons generalizing without empirical data?

The opinions of less than 30 sex-starved computer geeks is irrelevant in this instance. Assuming even that there are some females here who fit the categorization that began this thread, and these females when dressed "up" do not look like Miss Piggy, their reasons for dressing "down" are theirs alone. So why the fuck are you people fighting over the subjective when the subjectivity is justified in this sense? And why the heck are these guys assuming themselves to be omniscient and thus knowing the reasons behind why some females "dress down"? This is not something to be reasoned out. Insecurity and egotism really are concordant.

Yes, of course there's something wrong with the relationship is the girls feels obligated to dress down. But I do think it is common for guys not wanting their girls be too sexy outside of the bedroom.
I know my man always makes complaining grunting noices whenever I go out. He' s even said it straight out "I don't want you to look that good for other people than me."
I don't pay attention to that, of course, he can complain how much he wants to.
I agree with DarkEyedBauty here, if that makes him afraid to lose me, then good, he will work harder on trying to keep me.
Maybe it's all a powergame after all.
But, making an effort to dress up for other women, if not lesbian, will have the opposite effect, they will hate you.
Unless they are real good friends who have come to terms with your need for selfdecorating.
:)

Originally posted by spookz
high? drunk? ehh mr marquis?

No, whatever made you think I was?

Oh wait, I get it. A poor attempt at a cheap shot. Sorry it took me a few seconds to realise what you were doing, but I'm used to attacks with a little more expertise.

Xev-

I'm sorry, what the fuck verbal diarrhea are you spewing and what does my fondness for heavy metal have to do with anything?

Nothing to do with heavy metal, I meant bang heads, as in personal arguements with name calling. Take your frustration out elsewhere.

Yes, that is it...I live in a trailer park and wear nothing but rags. Yep...that's me.

I'm one of the girls debating this topic, I think women have more of an accurate opinion of this...for quite obvious reasons. Also, since I am the only girl who has stated that she is in the situation that we were originally discussing, I guess that makes me the
aut(h)ority. Let me tell you all...

Women first and foremost dress to impress me. Even if they're doing it indirectly by impressing women, beating out the competition. What other purpose would they have? Attracting women? Pissing women off? Seriously.

Xev, you need to stop throwing vulgarities out and actually contribute to this discussion. Otherwise, I really don't think you should waste your time posting. Maybe you should invest in going out for ice cream to brighten your mood, and occupy your filthy mouth. There you go, that was more efficiently spent time, now wasn't it?

BTW:

I'll stare at a mirror while intoning the word "c***", will that make you happy?

'Itoning'? Why are you singing to me? You are not using this word the right way, it just makes you sound stupid(er).

Perhaps you should check that definition, DEB.

Darkeyedbeauty:
I'm one of the girls debating this topic, I think women have more of an accurate opinion of this...for quite obvious reasons. Also, since I am the only girl who has stated that she is in the situation that we were originally discussing, I guess that makes me the autority. Let me tell you all...

Huh? Who says you're an "autority" (I'm assuming you meant "authority") on anything?

Xev, you need to stop throwing vulgarities out and actually contribute to this discussion.

Why do I need to do this?

Otherwise, I really don't think you should waste your time posting.

Glad you care.

occupy your filthy mouth.

No thanks, you're not my type and I'd probably end up with some disgusting disease.

'Itoning'? Why are you singing to me? You are not using this word the right way, it just makes you sound stupid(er).

Nobody's singing to you, unless whatever stranger who "occupied your filthy mouth" recently has started serenading you.

"Intone \In*tone"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Intoned; p. pr. & vb.
n. Intoning.] [LL. intonare, intonatum; pref. in- in + L.
tonus tone. See Tone and cf. Entune, Intonate.]
To utter with a musical or prolonged note or tone; to chant;
as, to intone the church service."

DefSkeptic:
Nothing to do with heavy metal, I meant bang heads, as in personal arguements with name calling.

"Arguements"? What are those?

Take your frustration out elsewhere.

Not frustrated, but thanks for the advice.

Alright...itoning is chanting...chanting is either musical speech or prolonged singular notes that associate with singular syllables. Unless you're some sort of scary psycho, why the hell are you chanting into a mirror? If you're not singing...you're apparantly standing there saying cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnntttttttttttt ttttttttttttttttt, for quite a prolonged period of time. I just think it's distastefully used, however, I think you are altogether distasteful

(...'as in a church service'....Yes...those people are semi-singing. Thanks for the definition proving yourself stupid.)

"No thanks, you're not my type and I'd probably end up with some disgusting disease."

It's amusing and pathetic that you would assume anything about me since I have given very little information away. I suppose nowadays you can get random STDs from practically anything beside having sex. That must be where I have accumulated all of my supposed diseases. Beyond that, who the hell asked you to put your dirty mouth near me. I would sooner have a surgery to become a neuter than let you put your rancid saliva within 10 feet of me.

Maybe you should go out and get a boyfriend before you attempt to answer this question. Besides, it was aimed toward 'hot' girls....c'mon, who are you trying to fool?

Darkeyedbeauty:
Unless you're some sort of scary psycho,

Why, who said I wasn't a scary psycho?

why the hell are you chanting into a mirror?

Because working on my shrine to Tommy Talamanca and arranging the bodies of dead prostitutes in "amusing" poses got boring.

I just think it's distastefully used, however, I think you are altogether distasteful

Thanks!

Maybe you should go out and get a boyfriend

*Sighs*
Well I do have one, unless he managed to gnaw through the ropes and escape again. Damn men.

Go ahead DarkEyedBeaty, take Xev on.

...girls vying... ;)

I was going to post what Defskeptic posted. Spot on! :)

I really have lost all motivation since she finally got back to the point of the post. She has a boyfriend, finally she said it, now I'll consider listening to her opinion...it has validity.

kinda naive outlook i think. assertions dont mean shit if validity only rests on ones word.

Xev-

"Arguements"? What are those?

Arguments. Sorry. Thanks smartass.

Not frustrated, but thanks for the advice.

Well you sure as hell act like a rage-filled adolescent. Seems like you are more interested in attacking people, rather than the arguments they put forth.

Just please tone down the PMS. Thanks

Back to the topic,

I really find it strange that a woman would stop dressing nice and make herself go to hell in physical appearance and loose her competetive place in society just because she found a boyfriend or even gotten married. Why??

I for one, didn't start dressing nice and putting makeup and doing my hair and feeling sure about myself until I met my boyfriend who became my husband. Before the boy days, I was swamped in school, sports, and the best way my hands looked was full of callolus and white magnesuim powder for no slippage.

The whole point for a woman is to indulge in her feminity when she finds the right man, not to over do it before she finds a man and then forget about it after finding a man...What's the point?

Good for you Flores. I wish more women felt the way you do.:)

the question was stupid, but anyway....... may i offer a personal example? i've had my share of jealous boyfriends and i know of plenty of guys who would deride their girlfriend for dressing too revealingly. they can be insanely jealous of other men looking at their "property". during a night of going to clubs with an ex, he accused me of checking out every guy which simply wasn't true. it was his insecurity that maybe they were looking at me. it would have saved a huge fight to dress down a bit.

edit: oh i thought of more. i have a bunch of conservative jewish friends who are all about getting married. once the women get married, they must always have their hair covered in the presence of other men and must also dress extremely conservatively. skirts are required to conceal the form of the body. yet another example of jealousy and control. (in my mind anyway. not to be insensitive to other religions but that's really how i see it.)

A boyfriend or husband who expects their woman to 'dress down' is frankly a bore!

I never dress with other women in mind, if I dress sexy its because I am feeling sexy, if men enjoy it so much the better. Maybe a woman would dress-down once she has a man because he no longer makes her feel enticing!

When I go out with my wife, and guys are checking her out, I feel that they are complimenting me by approving of my taste in women.:D

Originally posted by Flores
.....All men heads would turn toward the woman if she was the only one available.......because men are dogs and they need constant mental images to masturbate on....
.

Ouch!! Very ouch!! that is quite a generalization you made, don't you think? "All" means "All" and all includes all the "Men". Is that what you really think?


:bugeye:

All men must scope women....I haven't seen one that doesn't. Some men who don't care much turn their head in obvious ways 180 degrees to get a better and closer look....other ones like yourself who are in denial, refrain from looking till the opportune moment come when they think no one is watching, then they take a good look....


Oh I forgot, even muslim men with beirds and turbins and pastors in churches turn their head for every woman. They are a bit subtle though. That's why I insist on a female gynacologist.

Originally posted by Flores
All men must scope women....I haven't seen one that doesn't. Some men who don't care much turn their head in obvious ways 180 degrees to get a better and closer look....other ones like yourself who are in denial, refrain from looking till the opportune moment come when they think no one is watching, then they take a good look....


Interesting! one generalization after another. I didn't say that I am the second kind or did I? :D You assume that I am. I never said that men do not scope women, my concerned was your statement,

, " because men are dogs and they need constant mental images to masturbate on.... "

Which I still think is WRONG!

Comeon Markx, are you telling me you are not the hard to get kind that would torture his partner with suspense and it would literally take many pulled teeth and hair to get a little compliment out of you.;)

Originally posted by Flores
Comeon Markx, are you telling me you are not the hard to get kind that would torture his partner with suspense and it would literally take many pulled teeth and hair to get a little compliment out of you.;)

Are you trying to change the topic??:cool:

I will be back in 5 minutes. :)

Absolutely not your honor....There is a point to be made at the end of this nonesense.

Originally posted by Flores
All men must scope women....I haven't seen one that doesn't. Some men who don't care much turn their head in obvious ways 180 degrees to get a better and closer look....other ones like yourself who are in denial, refrain from looking till the opportune moment come when they think no one is watching, then they take a good look....


Oh I forgot, even muslim men with beirds and turbins and pastors in churches turn their head for every woman. They are a bit subtle though. That's why I insist on a female gynacologist.


All...but...wait though...but..bu..um....ahh hell you're right. Can you blame me, women are increidbly sexy and when they can talk back with valid points sprinkled with thoughful words while wearing a flame red colored miniskirt showing off those long legs oozing of sensulaity and confidence, any man will squirm to such unbareable display of feminity. Lo and behold a confident woman deserves a trustful and confident man because her looks will only carry her so far but her sense of self will get her
that BMW with her own money.

So if a man tell you to dress down ladies, grab his jealous balls put those lucious lips in his face and tell him to "fuck off".....woman is a woman and no man should try to make her any less. Hopefully my girlfriend will be a strong willed woman who can "party like a man and love like a woman" From Blow

Originally posted by sargentlard
while wearing a flame red colored miniskirt showing off those long legs oozing of sensulaity and confidence, From Blow

Sargentlard is obviously a leg man....:D

Originally posted by Flores
Sargentlard is obviously a leg man....:D


HELL freakin yes....i love a woman with a great pair of legs and when a sexy woman with those killer legs has a anklet on..one of those thin anklets..watch out... i am in love with her;)

Originally posted by Flores
Absolutely not your honor....There is a point to be made at the end of this nonesense.

I don't have a problem telling women how pretty they are or if they look good or NOT. Infact that is the easiest way you can make friends or start a converstaion. It never failed me. If you see some thing good compliment because they are all Gods creation and they come in all shapes and sizes;) . I never understand why some girls or guys have hard time complimenting some one. Do you have a problem telling a guy that he looks good? or you are attracted him?

Thank you Markx for bringing me to the point. I agree, most men knows how to compliment and use such a weapon very well to their advantage. Women do too. The problem here is balancing the dosage for effectivness. Women by nature are shy and need to play the good girl role early on and then loosen up and become agressive later. Men are the opposite, they are agressive and interested in the beginning then they deflate later. It seems though that after a man lands a woman as a girl friend or wife, he stops the compliments. It's like he must be solicited with a hammer or a wood frame with a blunt blow to the head to remember how to compliment the way he used to do before.

This lack of communication/compliments usually results in a "I don't care" attitude from the woman, the woman starts dressing down and forgetting about her physical, since all the hard workd is not paying back in even a lousy compliment.

When I go out to parties with my husband, I'm sometimes blown by how our friends treat their wives. I mean maybe they think it funny, but I don't, the husband would make jokes on his wife expence and would lightly talk about other women looks and stuff like that as if the wife does not exist, and I'm not talking about run down wives, these girls are so damn pretty, educated, great families and the whole nine yards. I have literally seen those boys in tears and mixican bands every night at the girl night while they were dating to beg.

Flores quote: "the husband would make jokes on his wife expence and would lightly talk about other women looks and stuff like that as if the wife does not exist, and I'm not talking about run down wives, these girls are so damn pretty, educated, great families and the whole nine yards"

That behaviour has nothing to do with a wife's looks, that is straight out warfare! Battle of the roses! Pay her the fuck back time!

Originally posted by Flores
Thank you Markx for bringing me to the point. I agree, most men knows how to compliment and use such a weapon very well to their advantage. Women do too. The problem here is balancing the dosage for effectivness. Women by nature are shy and need to play the good girl role early on and then loosen up and become agressive later. Men are the opposite, they are agressive and interested in the beginning then they deflate later. It seems though that after a man lands a woman as a girl friend or wife, he stops the compliments. It's like he must be solicited with a hammer or a wood frame with a blunt blow to the head to remember how to compliment the way he used to do before.

This lack of communication/compliments usually results in a "I don't care" attitude from the woman, the woman starts dressing down and forgetting about her physical, since all the hard workd is not paying back in even a lousy compliment.

When I go out to parties with my husband, I'm sometimes blown by how our friends treat their wives. I mean maybe they think it funny, but I don't, the husband would make jokes on his wife expence and would lightly talk about other women looks and stuff like that as if the wife does not exist, and I'm not talking about run down wives, these girls are so damn pretty, educated, great families and the whole nine yards. I have literally seen those boys in tears and mixican bands every night at the girl night while they were dating to beg.


Nothing lasts forever! Love, lust, life or DEATH. People change, time changes, feelings evolve and mode changes etc etc. It is hard for some one to stay the same way as he/she were in the begining of relation ship. One thing that should not change is "respect" for their partners. I think no one should be treated badly but it goes with cultures and religions and regions. Where you live, who you are friends are and what kind of family background do you have.

However I agree with most of your post.