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Andre
06-08-08, 07:45 AM
Einstein's advice (?)..

"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts."
... is the concluding remark here. (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/05/goddard_nasa_thermometer/)

Painting by numbers: NASA's peculiar thermometer

...We observe that the data has been consistently adjusted towards a bias of greater warming. The years prior to the 1970s have again been adjusted to lower temperatures, and recent years have been adjusted towards higher temperatures....

Happens all the time (http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2007/2007_20-29/2007-25/pdf/33-37_725.pdf).

Now, back to satellite altimetry, which shows the water, not just the coasts, but in the whole of the ocean. And you measure it by satellite. From 1992 to 2002, [the graph of the sea level] was a straight line, variability along a straight line, but absolutely no trend whatsoever. We could see those spikes: a very rapid rise, but then in half a year, they fall back again. But absolutely no trend, and to have a sea-level rise, you need a trend. Then, in 2003, the same data set, which in their [IPCC’s] publications, in their website, was a straight line—suddenly it changed, and showed a very strong line of uplift, 2.3 mm per year, the same as from the tide gauge. And that didn’t look so nice. It looked as though they had recorded something; but
they hadn’t recorded anything. It was the original one which they had suddenly twisted up, because they entered a “correction factor,” which they took from the tide gauge. So it was not a measured thing, but a figure introduced from outside.

I accused them of this at the Academy of Sciences in Moscow—
I said you have introduced factors from outside; it’s not a measurement. It looks like it is measured from the satellite, but you don’t say what really happened. And they answered, that we had to do it, because otherwise we would not have gotten any trend!

That is terrible!

Or (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1533290/Climate-chaos-Don't-believe-it.html)

...A major person working in the area of climate change and global warming sent me an astonishing email that said: 'We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.' ....

and...

• They gave one technique for reconstructing pre-thermometer temperature 390 times more weight than any other (but didn't say so).

• The technique they overweighted was one which the UN's 1996 report had said was unsafe: measurement of tree-rings from bristlecone pines. Tree-rings are wider in warmer years, but pine-rings are also wider when there's more carbon dioxide in the air: it's plant food. This carbon dioxide fertilisation distorts the calculations.

• They said they had included 24 data sets going back to 1400. Without saying so, they left out the set showing the medieval warm period, tucking it into a folder marked "Censored Data".

• They used a computer model to draw the graph from the data, but scientists later found that the model almost always drew hockey-sticks even if they fed in random, electronic "red noise".


"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts."

Reminds me of Winston in Orwells 1984 (http://www.sysdesign.ca/archive/berkes_1984_language.html)..

Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct;

We live indeed in very very dark ages.

Cazzo
06-08-08, 08:32 AM
Stuff like this gives science a bad name......

cosmictraveler
06-08-08, 09:18 AM
The more often that you tell a lie about something the quicker it becomes a truth.;)

Andre
06-08-08, 10:24 AM
Stuff like this gives science a bad name......

Fortunately many people stopped calling global warming 'science' a long time ago.

John L
06-08-08, 11:03 AM
Fortunately many people stopped calling global warming 'science' a long time ago.

You are Spot On Andre! If the facts don't jive, change them. After all, it is imperative that certain groups obtain more Power/grants/prestige/readers, and this topic is the perfect topic to ride into the future.

Unfortunately, the sun is not going to allow for this much longer. Since 2005 we have been experiencing a much more tranquil sun than recently, and this will begin to manifest it's self as a lagging indicator. And it is just around the corner.

Here is today's sunspot activity. note how busy it is (http://www.spaceweather.com/images2008/08jun08/midi512_blank.gif?PHPSESSID=kq0j1clbpeqctc9rr3io3d 4gm4).;)

NOTE: to show that I am not sandbagging you, check the date in the address window.

Andre
06-08-08, 02:44 PM
I found this (www.solarcycle24.com) a useful resource, John

iceaura
06-09-08, 10:00 PM
How many threads does something like this have to be debunked in before it goes away ?

IIRC the one about how the ice cap in the Arctic had returned to its former dimensions, thereby wiping out all the melting that the alarmists had been worried about, so we were back where we started and there was no Arctic melting, turned up in four threads after it had been debunked in its first appearance.

They all go away, after a while - the one about the satellites showing cooling rather than warming, the one about the glaciers growing in Antarctica so there was no global warming, the one about Mars showing global warming so it must be the sun, the one about the 400 "scientists" signing a petition to have Al Gore declared wrong (four or five more about Al, including the "34 mistakes according to a judge". Apparently if Al Gore can be discredited that will settle the whole argument).

And then they come back, after the debunking links have quit working an the arguments need restating at length.

I supppose I am curious about where the rhetoric comes from - obviously some though went into quoting Einstein, and so forth, as each mention has and I'm sure will. This is a marketing campaign.

Update on that ice cap, long as we're at it: http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=06&fd=05&fy=2007&sm=06&sd=05&sy=2008

We're apparently already back to something more like 2007, the all time record low for Arctic ice. So all those threads were BS. Funny that. So is this one.