why do we call black people "black" and white people "white" but we dont call oriental people yellow anymore do we, because its seen as racist by some people.


we are a little foolish maybe?, i do not know, why is a caribbean person and aboriginal branded the same as an african because of there skin colour?,


black people are brown not black, and white people are light brown or pinkish beige not white,

i have seen mixed race people who are lighter than white people bieng called "black, when they are lighter than the person who is bieng called white, its kinda stupid really isnt it,

if you want to call somebody a certain colour just to quickly brand them in a catagory because you dont know there exact racial background, why not atleast call them the right colour?

are you realy white like a piece of paper? no i dont think so, are you realy black like a playstation 2, no i dont think so,

i tan quite brown in the summertime, and when somebody calls me white i say to them are you colourblind? they say what do you mean? i reply well do you know the difference between light brown and white? then they see my point,


i know indian people that are darker skinned than "black" people, yet they are called brown, while light skinned "black" people are called black when they are more like a light pastey brown colour, it is quite annoying actualy,



how can you brand a south american, a caribbean, an african, and australian aboriginal, all as "black" as if they are all the same race when they are not atall, and brand an english, italian, french, russian, alaskan, and light brazilian etc all the same as "white" like they are all the same when they are not.


if you want to get technical about any of this, and say well the other "black people come from africa down the line, my reply is that we are all from africa to begin with, so just call us all black, or brown or whatever



see what i mean?


peace.

language is organic and changing and rarely consistant and even your ideas above don't fit many english users use of race words, though the sloppiness issue is the same. We are not regimented language users. At least the terms above are less charged than the ones used 50 years ago, more widely that is.

why do we call black people "black" and white people "white"....

Well, look at it this way ....if you were robbed and beaten by four big, black guys, would you tell the police, "I was beaten and robbed by four big guys." or would you try to describe them a little better in the hope of getting some justice?

...but we dont call oriental people yellow anymore do we, because its seen as racist by some people.

Orientals aren't really "yellow" ...and certainly not enough so as to make such a distinction as black versus white. But dont forget, we also have many good, derogatory terms for orientals ...like slant-eyes, perhaps?

see what i mean?

Nope, I don't.

Baron Max

:) i knew baron would say something like that.

and my answer is this, no why would i call them black when they are brown?


i first of all am not a snitch and do not report things to the police, i would accept the beating and move on, (this is anouther matter altogether i am aware but its the truth)

i hypertheticaly in an ideal world would say 4 brown guys maybe of african or caribbean origin, but i can usualy tell the difference between a carib and an african, unless they are mixed then i would assume they are african most likely,


this isnt realy a race issue with what i am "complaining" about, more of a get your colours right issue. :)


would you call light brown piece of paper white? or a brown pot of paint black? i think not,


peace.

....why would i call them black when they are brown?

But they used to be black ....black like coal and the ace of spades! The only reason they're lighter now is due to the influx of white blood which is due to white men fucking black women. Got it now?

....would you call light brown piece of paper white? or a brown pot of paint black? i think not,....

Interesting that you should mention that. Go to the paint store and ask to see their "white" paint. There's about a gazillion different "white" paint colors. And interestingly, "white" paper comes in about two gazillion different shades of white ....yet it's all called "white".

Baron Max

your funny. (in a good way)

not every single black family tree has white genes you know, there are still black gene lines without a white person bieng involved along the way,

and no black people did not used to be as black as the ace of spades :) just very very dark brown.

and yes you can get different tones of white in paint shops, but you still wouldent call light brown white its called beige or light brown.

i know "white" guys who are darker than "black" guys, so how does that make sense saying white is darker than black.

my wife is "black" but she is not the colour of my socks i have on now. she is brown, so to call her black would be missleading.

imagine trying to teach this to a small child, this guy is black and so is your playstation 2, no he is not brown he is black. because i said so.

peace.

Orientals aren't really "yellow" ...and certainly not enough so as to make such a distinction as black versus white. But dont forget, we also have many good, derogatory terms for orientals ...like slant-eyes, perhaps?

I knew this mongolian kid who was just as yellow as spongebob squarepants. He was fucking good at basketball.

i call a spade a fork and a knife a spoon.


peace.

i call a spade a fork and a knife a spoon.


peace.

What?

in reference to baron calling brown people black and light brown sometimes pinkish people white.


peace.

http://www.biggerbras.com/productpics3/thumbs/liz/liz-high-cut-bikini-50391.jpg

her underwear is white, she is not.





http://www.abstracthiphop.com/hip-hop-honeys/esther_baxter_in_black_bikini_with_goggles.jpg


her bikini/bra is black she is not




are we understood baron ? :)

I knew this mongolian kid who was just as yellow as spongebob squarepants. He was fucking good at basketball.

Really, i've never met ANY person who was literally yellow as a yield sign. I think that would make the news.

You mean he had a sallow or olive complexion.

There are really black people in the Congo/Uganda/Rwanda region, Somalia and Ethiopia, aboriginal Aussies and some Bengalis. Not to mention Djiboutians.
I know Latins that are lighter skinned than whites. Argentines, Chileans and Portuguese.

but they are still dark brown,

i would say around 99% of "black" people have black hair, and there skin is never as dark as there hair is or you wouldent be able to tell where the hair started and skin began.


get a picture of the darkest person you can find and we will vote if they are black or very very dark brown,

peace.

in reference to baron calling brown people black and light brown sometimes pinkish people white.

Pure Africans are damned close to black. And don't forget that in Victorian times it was considered beautiful to be as pale as possible, so those people were close to white. An African probably looked black to a "white" person.

Regardless of the origin, it's accepted, concise, and relatively precise. Look at the alternatives: African American. First of all, it's too long. Second, how do you describe blacks from other countries?

This came up during the last olympics when some black guy was the first black to get a medal in a particular event. The problem was, he wasn't from America or Africa. So the announcer says, "This makes him the first African American.......errrr ummm, African...aaaaaaa. black to win this medal.

On the other hand, my youngest son used to call black kids brown. There were only one or two black kids in his school. And he was describing some kid that got in trouble. He said,"He's brown." I said, 'What do you mean?" He said, "His skin is brown". I said, "Oh. You mean he's black?" "No, brown" he said, and I laughed.

asians are not really yellow skinned, they are just as white.

As a "white" person I think we're as ineptly named as anybody. I'm pretty pink and most of us range from pink to tan to ever so slightly olive. The only "race" that, in my opinion, comes close to its colorful description is the Latinos as "brown." Which is no surprise because a lot of "white," "black," "red," and "yellow" people also have rather brown skin. I suspect it's the most common skin tone of our species.

A friend of mine changes races twice a year - in the summer she's "black", in the winter she's "white".

If you want some interesting comments on the differences in the way people treat blacks and whites in the US, she's a good source. Hint: racial bigotry is not a relic of a bygone era.

The blackest skin I ever saw was covering a guy from some island near India. He shone iridescent blue in direct sunlight. He was far darker than the average Nigerian immigrant in my town.

The color words work for me. Their inaccuracy doesn't matter to me, as labels. Black, red, white, yellow, brown, short words for shorthand description.

We are all so many shades of brown.

We are all so many shades of brown.

eskimos dont agree

how do you know

how do you know

because there are races that got white skin totally.

why are we so accurate when trying to describe many many other things, but when it comes down to the colour of somebodys skin we dont care and just slap on any label and be done with it?.


i have seen people argue over shades of colour tons of times in the past,

"no its not blue its a slightly off tone of purple"

"no its not baby blue its a very light torqoise/green colour"

"no you cant call that purple its a light lylac colour"


but when it comes down to the colour of a person we dont care about bieng accurate we just slap on any old label so its not "complicated" millions of things humans do, say and describe are complicated very complicated actualy, but when it comes down to describing a humans skin tone, god forbid, we cannot be complicated with that can we.


its not hard to call somebody brown, no harder than it is to call somebody black, but atleast brown is accurate rather than black wich is not.


we might aswell call a pentagon a hexagon if we are going to call brown black.



peace.

because there are races that got white skin totally.

I have lived in Alert(farthest north "whiteman" settlement in North America). I have seen, talked to and worked with "eskimos"(Inuit). Compared to a blank white sheet of 20lb bond paper, they are darker. They are(and were) lighter skinned for sure, than me, a "caucasian" male with 3/4 scandanavian and 1/4 background. I bet many dark africans would look pretty pale, after living 500miles from the north pole, after even a few years. It probably would not take many generations for pigment change either.

The only "white" people are albinos and that still does not mean they should be hated, anymore than someone with hypertrichosis, anymore than anyone.

I have lived in Alert(farthest north "whiteman" settlement in North America). I have seen, talked to and worked with "eskimos"(Inuit). Compared to a blank white sheet of 20lb bond paper, they are darker. They are(and were) lighter skinned for sure, than me, a "caucasian" male with 3/4 scandanavian and 1/4 background. I bet many dark africans would look pretty pale, after living 500miles from the north pole, after even a few years. It probably would not take many generations for pigment change either.

The only "white" people are albinos and that still does not mean they should be hated, anymore than someone with hypertrichosis, anymore than anyone.

oh. I just meant to say that it is easy to refer to something that is obvious characteristic. Humans define by things by that which is obvious. I for one thing, try not to refer to people as white or black, but sometimes when I dont know the name than I refer to them as white or black.

I suppose there is is no breaking the custom, a rather lazy one in my opinon, of incorrectly "labeling" people. I have found it best to use the words of the other to describe them. For instance we english speakers call Italia - Italy. I sometimes wonder if that secretly pisses off Italians.

Anyways my stance on this has always been - don't do stupid, just because it's custom.

the only reason i refer to peple as white or black is because thats what other people understand, i would be very happy to go along with a change and start calling people by there real skin colour,

i do it soley because its understood by people. but if you look close enough it is very innacurate at actualy telling people where you think they are from,

if you say black person, how do you know if they are from the caribbean islands ,south america, australia/ new zealand, africa, or a few other locations around the globe,


the same goes if you say white person,


i dont think its racist not intentional in anyway, but i do think its incorrect,



i would like to ask a simple question to clear this up, why do we do this in human terms only? why dont we do this when refering to an animals skin/fur colour then? would you call a brown dog black? or a brindle dog anything other than brindle? just to be "easyer" or would you call a pink bird red? or a yellow duckling brown? would you call a golden sandy lion white?


why do it with humans but not with animals? i think people are bieng a little nieve here, we all know what colour is what so why portray something as something wich it clearly is not?,


peace.

we call asian people by the continent they are from right? but we call everyone else by the colour of there skin why is that.?


peace.

Pure Africans are damned close to black.
Depends which area. Near the equator, more so. In the far north and far south (where the original Africans - and all humans - come from) not so much.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/science/dna/images/khoisan_main.jpg (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/science/dna/science.html)

we call asian people by the continent they are from right? but we call everyone else by the colour of there skin why is that.?
Not true. Some people call blacks 'Africans' and whites 'Europeans'. Which is silly. Europeans are people who live in Europe, regardless of skin colour. Africans are people who live in Africa. Asians live in Asia.

no it wasnt true your right,

but many people do. not "all" though. you dont find people calling asian people by there skin colour, but many people call black and white people black and white, but oriental and asian are the common term for people from the east. but most people call africans black and europeans white,


why dont the people who call people black and white call asians by there skin colour also? because the majotiy do not.


peace.

Why not just ask them how they ID themselves if it's so important to call them something other than their name?

If a cop holds you down to a "race" in a "description" you could go - african ancestry - european background, whatever and fuck him if he don't like it.

yeah i agree with you totally.

cops still id people on their radios as either black or white, with code names for each ie, IC1 male etc.

i dont think calling somebody a skin colour is necesary but if your gonna do it atleast call them the right colour!.


peace.

http://www.biggerbras.com/productpics3/thumbs/liz/liz-high-cut-bikini-50391.jpg

her underwear is white, she is not.





http://www.abstracthiphop.com/hip-hop-honeys/esther_baxter_in_black_bikini_with_goggles.jpg


her bikini/bra is black she is not




are we understood baron ? :)

You've got one hell of a smoking hot wife there :eek:


edit: err nevermind...

Well it has somthing to do with the pigmentation of each races skin.

Black people are called black people because they have the most Melanin in there skin( Melanin is the dark pigmentation of the skin that help black people to survive in the hot environment in africa) Melanin helps turn sun light ( a primary source of vitamin D) in to vitamin D.


White people are called white peolpe because they cannot create Melanin( there Pineal glands are calcifed which means they cannot produce a Gene they do not have) White people came from African who could not produce this gene ( albinos). these people had blue eyes blond hair, and light skin, Because of this they had to move somewhere out of Africa.

White people came from African who could not produce this gene ( albinos). these people had blue eyes blond hair, and light skin, Because of this they had to move somewhere out of Africa.

I don't think so. It must be the other way around.

I don't think so. It must be the other way around.

Dude white people Only been around for 20,000 years. and Black people been here for 150,000 years.

You can't say that white people produced black people? thats Logically Stupid.

Genetics prove that the oldest humans are black people in east Africa.

Can you explain why you said that?

Dude white people Only been around for 20,000 years. and Black people been here for 150,000 years.

Interesting assumption, but can you prove it? Can you prove that those fossils found in Africa 20,000 years ago had black skin or white skin?

Genetics prove that the oldest humans are black people in east Africa.

I don't think genetics can prove the color of their skin from fossil finds.

Baron Max

Dude white people Only been around for 20,000 years. and Black people been here for 150,000 years.

You can't say that white people produced black people? thats Logically Stupid.

Genetics prove that the oldest humans are black people in east Africa.

Can you explain why you said that?

I wouldn't say that white people produced black people. I was just saying that white people did not become white while they were in africa and because of this they had to move somewhere, but white people become white after they moved to the north and live in cold conditions.