I just read the book "The Secret Universe of Names" the dynamic interplay of names and destiny, by, Roy Feinson, any one read it?
i'll tell you what it is eerily on the button with everyone i am really close to. including myself.

funny thing though, when my wife and I were naming our kids, 9yrs ago, i had none of this information, yet i told her it seemed a persons name had much to do with their success and personality.

the thing that stood out to me was the obvious aggressive sounds that the k's made, and the multitude of successfull single syllabol named people, but there were exceptions so i couldnt put a science to it, just a hunch.

then i read this book, its uncanny how accurate it is.
just wanted to see if any of you ever thought about how a name impacts your personallity?

a spirituall or fantasy based idea i had, was perhaps when the doctor asks the mother the name of the child, she by naming this being is calling the oneness for a spirit of a certain nature thus giving the child its soul. silly i know, but fun to think about nontheless.

i actually would agree with the author, on the sounds the letters make, and what is natural to relate with those sounds. also the shape your face makes, to relate the emotion for that letter. for instance the letter "m" conjures up adjectives like mother, mmm and feelings of contentment. there's much more. but you get the idea.

eternally gratefull for all

one of the things i have noticed about most such books, websites, horoscopes, and what have you, are that a majority of the statements made are so generic they can apply to anyone. or so vague that it could mean anything. a well-written book of names, then, is one which basically is vague and generic enough that you will think it sounds accurate.

as the bard wrote, 'a rose, by any other name, would smell just as sweet.' and it does, in fact, go by other names in other tongues and maintain the same qualities. the importance of the name, i fear, is merely an ancient myth that has recently been stirred up again.

this is not to say that the name has no effect, however. if you name your child something cutesy or ridiculous or just unpleasant, there will likely be some psychological effects. as well as sounding less than respectable. but there's nothing even quasi-mystical about it.

one of the things i have noticed about most such books, websites, horoscopes, and what have you, are that a majority of the statements made are so generic they can apply to anyone. or so vague that it could mean anything. a well-written book of names, then, is one which basically is vague and generic enough that you will think it sounds accurate.

as the bard wrote, 'a rose, by any other name, would smell just as sweet.' and it does, in fact, go by other names in other tongues and maintain the same qualities. the importance of the name, i fear, is merely an ancient myth that has recently been stirred up again.

this is not to say that the name has no effect, however. if you name your child something cutesy or ridiculous or just unpleasant, there will likely be some psychological effects. as well as sounding less than respectable. but there's nothing even quasi-mystical about it.
the book acctually has no mystisism to it at all its purely going on the science of language, and the meaning of letters to our phsyce. regardless of their order. the mysticall was my own thing i added.

for example some anagrams you may or may not be aware of.(some are meant to be humorous)

"each letter in the alphabet has an emotional resonace, it doesnt seem to matter in what order these letters are arranged. the overall gist remains surprisingly unchanged.

this effect can be seen in Axl Rose's stage name, wich compliments the sneering sexuality of his rocker image in the anagram oral sex
or clint eastwood: old west action
james taylor: oral majesty
woody allen: lewd loony

or some every day words evil is vile
we are silent when we listen
mother in law is hitler woman
striptease is tit ass peer
enraged when angered
death is hated
dormitory is dirty room
elegant man is a gentleman
some maybe intentional subliminals would be:
crest toothpaste apt tooth secrets
pepsi cola/ social pep
apple macintosh- laptop machines
western union- no wire unsent
news week magazine- we eke amazing news
nightline- inlighten
perhaps some are coincidence for like he states later
"if we take these notions seriously we could believe that charles manson was predispositioned to be a slasher conman.
or Ronald wilson reagan a long insane warlord
george bush he bugs gore"
now with all that i must explain thats not the basis of the books information just a part that discusses the meaning of letters.
he deals with how our language is based much on the way the word forms our facial responses. such as our words of warning similar to a snarling dog who bears his large canine teeth accompanied by a low growl
we respond with "bad dog" . the explosive low frequency B sound is a powerfull attention getter, and when accompanied by the letter A it forces our mouth to open and our upper lip to retract and expose our own some what stunted canines. then ends with the sharply pronounced letter D to reinforce the message, thus without understanding the language they do understand the message.

i would continue but i really dont want to rewrite the book.
but if youd like. give me a name of someone close to you, yourself or children, siblings, spouse. someone you truly know. first name only, i'll tell you what it says. then you decide for yourself.

gratefull for you and your time

this is what is called 'confirmation bias'.

i could make a list of words which have no coincidental similarities, and then your list would have some meaning--of course, almost all names long enough are anagrams of many different things. it's a lot like the alleged 'bible code'. it's easy to find anything you want to find. incidentally, 'inlighten' isn't a word.

and it is not purely going on the science of language. that's called 'a lie'. it makes the book sell better by convincing you that it's scientific.

EDIT: my name is robert. and just for good measure why don't you tell me what 'rebecca' means, as well?

Well, "David" means beloved, and everyone loves me. I think. I hope.

*goes mad*

it sounds like a lot of anecdotal evidences. do they have statistics dealing with the entire worlds population?

for example, break the worlds population into people with certain sounds in their names, then compare things like income, criminal record, ect. even this would be inaccurate, but it would have some basis.

are you your name?
Kind of, but I cannot reveal why.

you're a hideous crossbreed between a spider and a goat, aren't you? admit it!

No, my real name.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=joke

right.

this is what is called 'confirmation bias'.

i could make a list of words which have no coincidental similarities, and then your list would have some meaning--of course, almost all names long enough are anagrams of many different things. it's a lot like the alleged 'bible code'. it's easy to find anything you want to find. incidentally, 'inlighten' isn't a word. you obviously missed the point. thats ok though perhaps later.

and it is not purely going on the science of language. that's called 'a lie'. it makes the book sell better by convincing you that it's scientific.
oh im sorry i didnt realize you had already read the book, for surely to make a stament such as that, you have read it?

EDIT: my name is robert. and just for good measure why don't you tell me what 'rebecca' means, as well?
robert:
With its brash booming resonance, the letter B imparts an aspect of belligerence to the words and names in wich it appears. its low frequency tones are responsible for the words: bash, beat, break, battle, burly, and beast, and when combined with the racy, randy, and robust letter R and the triumphant, tremendous, terrific and tallented letter T, takes on all the brilliant qualities of the words: bright, bristiling, vibrant, bratty, bravest, and abrupt. and because these names also begin with the letter R, RBRT's are usually those magnetic people who could charm the stripes off a sergeant.

it takes a great deal of energy to live up to the promise of an RBRT name and most of these people have had to deal with the expectations of parents and teachers from the time they were young. this explains why there are two kinds of RBRT's in the world: the overachievers, who are compelled to make an impression in the world, and the subdued RBRT's who live life on their own terms ignoring the expectations of society. but the one thing RBRT's have in common is the ability to knuckle down and do whatever it takes to excell in their career's and relationship's.

if you've ever had the opportunity to date any RBRT's youll know that there is something about them that has a way of getting under your skin.
even if your friends dont understand your attraction to your RBRT cohort, theyll have to concede that your RbRT lover is easygoing and companionable.
many rbrt's tend to be a little bookish at times, and even if they are not the most powerfull public speakers they will always have something interesting to say. and if you want to integrate yourself to an rbrt just ask them for advice.
they're always thrilled when people aknowledge their hard-won insights.

when it comes to love rbrt's are fully aware of their sensuall charms and wont hesitate to use them. when it comes to actually selecting their mates, no one has a clearer image of what constitutes the ideal relationship then they do. many rbrt's have been working on their short list of their mates qualities since early childhood, and although it might take years to find the one, they're not going to give up untill they do. and since rbrt's would never deign to lower their standards, if the perfect person doesnt materialize, theyll probably decide they're better off single. a word to the wise: if your planning on courting one of these selective creatures, dont try to rush them by expecting to much after one or two dates. theyll know within the first five minutes if you are the right person; if you are, youll get the message loud and clear.


rebecca: RBK

with its brash and booming resonance, the letter B reminds us of a beligerent bucking bronco, while the cutting K or hard C, evokes the images in the words crash, crack, kick, king, kill, careen, clip, and knuckle sandwich.
together the B, and K, are so forcefully aggressive, (break, bonk, buck, block, brisk, and bushwack) that its clear that no one with and rbk name, could ever be accused of being a milquetoast. even when the bk combonation appears in words softend by the racy, romantic, and randy, letter R, the ensuing words have an unmistakbly assertive air: rebuke, razorback, bark, bulwark, brisk, brick, break, and berserk. all told, its not surprising that rbk people have reputations for being as unyeilding as petrified oak, and as reliable as gravity.

making friends with such sanguine sprites can be a tricky mission at the best of times. the problem is that most rbk's show little interest in casual relationships, preferring the intamacy that comes with intense 1-1 relationships instead. the best approach to befriending the absorbed individuals is to remember that they distrust neediness in others, and respond best when their friends affect attitudes of oblique intrest. even close personal friends find rbk's somewhat enigmatic, but would never question their strength of character or their resolve to reach their full potentiall.

despite their sociall reserve, rbk's can be quite emotionall at times. they bond quite deeply and often find themselves entangled in darkly obsesive types of relationships from wich they find it hard to emerge. many rbks have love adventures that could rival a soap opera, but since they are not ones to kiss and tell, your not going to hear about these exploits first hand.

the rbks femine wiles combine with her masculine drive to make for an intimidating combination in the workplace, and her inner toughness is perfect for law, medicine or buisness. but there is still enough of the girl in the rbk to attract her to design, teaching, and people managment. as workers, they have an abiding sense of responsibiliy tword their employers and would think little of working overtime if it meant getting the job done perfectly.

for all her impressive independance, at the end of the day, the rbk still needs companionship. a perfect union, from her point of view, is a working partnership with one part romance, and one part down and dirty fun. and even when children are added to the equation, the rbks mate will remain her number one priority. her ideal mate is a man with the patience to unravell the thread of vulnerability running through her life.

whoa that was alot of typing. tell me what you thought.

gratefull to serve

Given how we so associate a name with who we are, I think that the naming of a person when they are born is an authoritarian act on the part of a parent. What I would propose is that kids are given a temporary name when they are born, and that they are prepared to name themselves when they are about nine or ten years old. They should be prepared to choose, or invent, a name that fits who they really are. Kind of like what happens after a vision-quest. Then the name they were born with would become their middle name.

Well, you should also read Hesse's Steppenwolf; then you'll learn how multi-sided a human personality is ;) Really, a single word doesn't describe it.

Given how we so associate a name with who we are, I think that the naming of a person when they are born is an authoritarian act on the part of a parent. What I would propose is that kids are given a temporary name when they are born, and that they are prepared to name themselves when they are about nine or ten years old. They should be prepared to choose, or invent, a name that fits who they really are. Kind of like what happens after a vision-quest. Then the name they were born with would become their middle name.
wow thats an excellent thought, i never thought of that before. my kids being 8,7, and 6 i might start them thinking about this possibility.

do you think this is why they change their names so frequently now? to more accuratly describe themselves?

Well, you should also read Hesse's Steppenwolf; then you'll learn how multi-sided a human personality is ;) Really, a single word doesn't describe it.
thanks i will

try 'Dean'....

im curious now

My name is not my real name.
I don't have a real name.
I don't have a real personality or body either.
They're not me, they just represent me, at this specific moment and "place".

Only people who identify themselves with matter, with their body, personality, clothes, even the name............................ those people BECOME what they THINK they are.

We are not what we think we are. We are what we most deeply want to be (ie. "perfect")

try 'Dean'....

im curious now
Dean: dn
the popularity of the dn names reached its peak in the 1970's, and although many baby boomers sport one of its many incarnations, these names are quite rare among todays newborns. its declining status may have something to do with the inherent conflict created when the determinedly decisive letter D teams up with the nasally pronounced letter n. while the letter D denotes people of upstanding fortitude, the n is the archetypal expression of negativity: no, never, nada, naught, nothing and nowhere. consequently, this letter combination is the source of the contentious tones found in the words damn, darken, demand, deny, dingy, demon, dank, dragon, drunk, madman, and debunk. so while those people carry themselves with dignity and exihbit a capacity for genuine caring, theres also a wry streak of pessimism flowing through their veins.

dn people have a distinct aura of stubborness that they consider quite attractive. employers, parents and friends might disagree, but no one will argue that dns take advantage of their fierce focus and put it to work in their buisness ventures. the fact that they have such a vast reservoir of enthusiasm means that they have no problem attracting people who are willing to take advantage of their emotional and material resources, and the nice thing is that dns dont usually expect anything in return, except someone with whom to team up in their quest for diversion.

of course, being an idealist has its downside; life cannot always be counted on to go the way you expected. and failure and dns dont get along very well, and this is where they tend to manifest their depression. dns will feel sorry for themselves and try to co-opt their friends for commiseration. you get the sense that dns could snap out of it any time they wanted to, but theres nothing like a good wallow every now and then. once theyve had their fill of melancholy, theyll step back into the sunshine- reinvigorated and refreshed- to resume their productive ways.

when it comes to relationships, dns absorb their energy from other people and are known for their devotion to friends and family. intimate affairs with dns can be a little touchy at times, not because of their occasionall huffs but because ot their high ideals and their habit of placing impossible expectations on their mates. dns also need to be high on their partners priority lists: being snubbed even in the most insignificant way can trigger one of their sulks. to get the most out of these dynamic souls, those who mate with dns are advised not to walk on eggshells but roll with the punches.

sorry it took so long had to help the kids with homework, now time to go for a ride.
thankyou for your gift of you

My name is not my real name.
I don't have a real name.
I don't have a real personality or body either.
They're not me, they just represent me, at this specific moment and "place".

Only people who identify themselves with matter, with their body, personality, clothes, even the name............................ those people BECOME what they THINK they are.

We are not what we think we are. We are what we most deeply want to be (ie. "perfect")
i would also have to say i have alot of the same feelings. although it is ironic at least in my case how accurate the name book was on my name.

all of the statements you provided above are of one of the following natures: a) so general that it could apply to anyone; b) the sort of thing that people like to believe; c) patently silly. 'b' implies negativity? what about boon? benefactor? benevolence? beauty? bliss? sure, i'd like to think i could charm the stripes off a sergeant, but who am i kidding?

i notice especially in the description of rebecca that there appear to be direct contradictions in these descriptions. as far as i can tell this one is quite inaccurate, however.

the similarities it is making are tied into the english language and inaccurate. 'b' can just as easily be applied to pleasant words: benefactor, boon, bliss, benevolence, bonus. k/c can appear in words such as cute, creative, classic. the theories appear to be all wrong. congrats on buying into the nonsense!

Grat:

What does your book say about the name, Andrew?

Names are a pretty interesting subject. In this book I read, Freakonomics, economist Steve Levitt through statistical analyses techniques found that there is a trend of middle and lower-class people using names of people of higher class to name their childen. The upper class tend to make up crazy odd names that eventually, through time, become normal (because others have copied them). Whether or not they do this consciously in hopes that it will advantage their children, it is not known. He notes, however, that blacks tend to not do this. They tend to stick with black names to maintain solidarity the others.

Gratitude:

First off, might you be willing to tell me what "James" is in your book? I'd be curious.

Secondly, let me quote an extensive portion of the book "Chapterhouse: Dune" by Frank Herbert. It is a conversation betwixt Duncan Idaho and Miles Teg. I shall attempt, however, to avoid any spoilers, but if I miss any, I shall caution reading via stating this one:

POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT!

With that being said, here goes nothing:



"And our Bashar has just the plan."



"Damn that title!"



Idaho inhaled a sharp breath restricted by shock.



"Tell you something, Duncan!" Intense. "Once when I was arriving for an important meeting with potential enemies, I heard an aide announce me. 'The Bashar is here.' I damned near stumbled, caught by the abstraction."



"Mentat blur."



"Of course it was. But I knew the title removed me from something I did not dare lose. Bashar? I was more than that! I was Miles Teg, the name given me by my parents."



"You were on the name-chain!"



"Certainly, and I realized my name stood at a distance from something more primal. Miles Teg? No, I was more basic than that. I could hear my mother saying, 'Oh, what a beautiful baby.' So there I was with another name: 'Beautiful Baby.' "



"Did you go deeper?" Idaho found himself fascinated.



"I was caught. Name leads to name leads to name leads to nameless. When I walked into that important room, I was nameless. Did you ever risk that?"



"Once." A reluctant admission.

"We all do it at least once."

"But there I was. I'd been briefed. I had a reference for everyone at that table -- face, name, title, plus all of the backgrounding."



"But you weren't really there."



"Oh, I could see the expectant faces measuring me, wondering, worrying. But they did not know me!"



"That gave you a feeling of great power?"



"Exactly as we were warned in Mentat school. I asked myself: 'Is this Mind at its beginning?' Don't laugh. It's a tantalizing question."



"So you went deeper?" Caught by Teg's words, Idaho ignored tugs of warning at the edge of his awareness.



"Oh, yes. And I found myself in the famous 'Hall of Mirrors' they described and warned us to flee."



"So you remembered how to get out and . . ."



"Remembered? You've obviously been there. Did memory get you out?"



"It helped."



"Despite the warnings, I lingered, seeing my 'self of selves' and infinite permutations. Reflections of reflections ad infinitum."



"Fascination of the 'ego core.' Damn few ever escape from that depth. You were lucky."

"I'm not sure it should be called luck. I knew there must be a First Awareness, an awakening . . ."



"Which discovers it is not the first."



"But I wanted a self at the root of the self!"



"Didn't the people at this meeting notice anything odd about you?"



"I found out later I sat down with a wooden expression that concealed these mental gymnastics."



"You didn't speak?"



"I was struck dumb. This was interpreted as 'the Bashar's expected reticence.' So much for reputation."

[...]

Most Mentats risked one dip into Infinity and learned the transient nature of names and titles but Teg's account was much more than a statement about Time as flow and tableau.

End of quote.

Given how we so associate a name with who we are, I think that the naming of a person when they are born is an authoritarian act on the part of a parent. What I would propose is that kids are given a temporary name when they are born, and that they are prepared to name themselves when they are about nine or ten years old. They should be prepared to choose, or invent, a name that fits who they really are. Kind of like what happens after a vision-quest. Then the name they were born with would become their middle name.
funny this should come up in a conversation I am involved with. my first name is Cato, and I have no middle name. my parents intended me to decide later if I liked the name Cato, and if I didn't, I would change it to my middle name and take a new first name.

as you can see, Cato stuck. although, since I have no middle name, it makes filling out online forms difficult. most of the important things allow you to enter nothing or a space into the "middle name" field, but I have had some websites require a letter, which is kinda BS.

Cato:

Put in "J." for "Jay", like Homer J.

my father knew a man whose first name was R and whose middle name was B. on some form for the FAA or other, they wouldn't accept this as his name, so he put 'R (only)' 'B (only)'. his license came out 'Ronly Bonly'.

Ha!

Ha!

Good to see you showing some emotion, P.J.

Onefinity:

Glad to show it.

Can you analyise the name "David"?. Just curious.

"if we take these notions seriously we could believe that charles manson was predispositioned to be a slasher conman."

Truly scientific.

*cough*


rhamnose clans, monarchal sens, shorn manacles, canon harmless,
horseman clans, monarchal ness, horns manacles, anon charmless,
normals encash, anchorman less, chanson realms, chromes annals,
salmon ranches, norman clashes, nonce marshals, clamors hansen,
monarchs leans, anchorless man, loran chessman, shalom scanner,
monarchs lanes, carlson ashmen, hanlon screams, shalom canners,
sansom charnel, ranchos mensal, rancho manless, roams channels,
samson charnel, ranchos anselm, charon manless, osram channels,
masons charnel, anchors mensal, archon manless, morass channel,
cornmeal snash, anchors anselm, anchor manless, soles ranchman,

"Can you analyise the name "David"?. Just curious."

Ornately sir! Herr Terry Alison. Though, I am riantly sore, for antrorsely I continued the state of intoxication till the morn.


David drives a big cadillac.

Why not move this sham to the pseudo section?

"Can you analyise the name "David"?. Just curious."

Ornately sir! Herr Terry Alison. Though, I am riantly sore, for antrorsely I continued the state of intoxication till the morn.


David drives a big cadillac.

Um... are you on my contact list?

Your real name is in your profile.

Makes nice anagrams, too.

Ah yes. but thats not my name.

Or.. Are you, your username?

I don't know.
But, I am actually Scott Myers!

There are several problems with names:


1. Languages.

- An international name has different connotations depending on the language it is used in. The connotations "Robert" has to a Brit, are not the same "Robert" has to a German, or to a Croatian.
- Many names are language-specific, and intranslatable. Perfect should post some Finnish names, see what that fancy book has to say about them.


2. "Growing up to match a name", the same syndrome happens with horoscope signs.

For example, if your name is Martha, then, since this is deemed a serious name, you are supposed to grow up into a serious person.

(Onymically superstitious) people might treat a Martha differently than a Becky, but the effects of these differences of treatment ARE REAL. A Becky may do stupid shit, and it's okay, because she's a Becky, but a Martha must be serious, because Martha is a serious name.

You can see this in kindergardens where some nurses prefer children with cool names, and devote more time and attention to them. While the children with more common names are treated more commonly, with less attention. No wonder they then also become more "common", more serious.

I'm not sure how true this is for the English speakers, but it is rampant here, where we have a flood of foreign names. You get a class of kids where a half of them has typical Slovene names. Some of them have some odd novelties, but still Slovene. And then there are the kids with imported names you can hardly pronounce, and you bet they have them just so the parents could feel special. But because the name is special, the kid may become special too, since he is treated with more attention (as the odd name draws more attention).

Water has already hit on the main point, but I'll add a little but. Letters are actually an inaccurate description of sounds: take knives, take, clock (the k doesn't mean a thing). Any person who has taken a Linguistics class would write the book in IPA (the internation phonetic alphabet). Only then could they begin to discuss the universal nature of some sounds. Furthermore, it's a pretty well accepted notion that specific sounds do not carry meaning by themselves. There's plenty of studies to prove it (pick up any beginner level linguistics book). An example would be Japanese: the "sounds" are actually a combination of 2 sounds, a consonent and a vowel. The sound /k/ doesn't mean anything to a Japanese person because they consider syllables. Actually, in most languages, they do not have "letters" for specific sounds. The only lanuage to invent such a system was the Greeks and all sound based alphabets sprung from it.

A meaning associated with sounds is subject only to individuals, some just happen to think like others. The meaning is inherent only in the frequency in the words you use day to day, and even more importantly, the ones you really think about. You're more likely to associate sound meanings with their use in major adjectives and verbs (look at the lists given). So why not nouns? Because they are so easily borrowed, it would too quickly disprove the theory. Perhaps you could tell me what the "th" in Esther means? Is it associated with "the" or "with" or "tall"? (Notice that the "th" is actually 3 completely different sounds) How does he account for that?

Something important to bear in mind: spelling comes from sounds, not the other way around. Spoken lanuage always occurs before written. If he's not discussing sounds then his theory can't be used in most of the worlds lanuages (which do not use our alphabet).

I'm sorry if it's a long winded argument, but linguists have worked long and hard to debunk the pseudo-science perception of their field. I would hate to see someone reverse all their hard work on a whim.

thanks, wings and water. that's pretty much what i was trying to say, only articulated well and better studied.

Yeah, water knows a lot about linguistics.

Hey Gratitude, could you do Roman?


I didn't like my first name, so I chose my middle name to go by. Works out pretty good. Even drunk people have a really hard time forgetting it.

There are several problems with names:


1. Languages.

- An international name has different connotations depending on the language it is used in. The connotations "Robert" has to a Brit, are not the same "Robert" has to a German, or to a Croatian.
- Many names are language-specific, and intranslatable. Perfect should post some Finnish names, see what that fancy book has to say about them.


2. "Growing up to match a name", the same syndrome happens with horoscope signs.

For example, if your name is Martha, then, since this is deemed a serious name, you are supposed to grow up into a serious person.

(Onymically superstitious) people might treat a Martha differently than a Becky, but the effects of these differences of treatment ARE REAL. A Becky may do stupid shit, and it's okay, because she's a Becky, but a Martha must be serious, because Martha is a serious name.

You can see this in kindergardens where some nurses prefer children with cool names, and devote more time and attention to them. While the children with more common names are treated more commonly, with less attention. No wonder they then also become more "common", more serious.

I'm not sure how true this is for the English speakers, but it is rampant here, where we have a flood of foreign names. You get a class of kids where a half of them has typical Slovene names. Some of them have some odd novelties, but still Slovene. And then there are the kids with imported names you can hardly pronounce, and you bet they have them just so the parents could feel special. But because the name is special, the kid may become special too, since he is treated with more attention (as the odd name draws more attention).

OOH i have just been typing for at least an hour, i'm not sure wich button i brushed but it deleted everything. i dont remember the last time i felt such rage. but i'm going to just start over, maybe i wasnt supposed to send that post. :mad: :mad:

alright, i'll get to the names in a little bit but first i think i should clear up what the author of the book is saying, he's not giving definition to names persay rather to letters, or sounds the letters make.

for instance, letters of mood discusses the effect of words with the letter M
the mm sound evokes feelings of maternal warmth as in mothers milk, mollify, summer, mammary, also would explain why the mm sound for babys content, and, when we like something.
our response to the M sound is cross-cultured, evidence of this is that virtually every language on earth, the word for mother is dominated by the M:
mater(latin), mere(french), madre(spanish), mer(vietnamese), mae(portugese), mama (zulu), imma in sanskrit and hebrew, mataka in polish, it is also the initial letter of the archetypal mother image Madonna(the virgin mary).

and like he states, it works to feminize names as well, Marilyn Monroe realized this, wich may be why she changed it from Norma Jean Baker.
really it worked in alot of the other names of famous people: Mary tyler moore, marla maples, marsha mason, marlee martin, maid marian, mellisa manchester, even marilyn manson.
and the reverse happend when actor marion michael morrison, changed his maternal mantle to john wayne.

he deals with letters of expression as well wich would be vowels.
wich provoke the face into certain expressions.

words or letters of warning wich i spoke of earlier, with the bad dog scenario.

letters of intimidation:
wich is in conjunction with words of warning.
police officers are trained to use their voices as tools of intimidation, and can often nuetralize situations by simply barking orders, that are crisp and deeply ressonant, such as ; stop, halt, back up, and get down.
formed from the tounge's hard contact with the palate or the forcefull expulsion of air from the lips, the B, hard C, G, D, K, P, and T conspire to create words like, kick, strike, beat, bite, cut, poke, punch, gun, conk, crash, kill, and crack.

these same principals he is saying effect the names we call each other, to create a expectation. your parents in naming you were doing this same thing, wether they were aware of it or not.
true our personality charecteristics are also subject to vagaries of our dna and enviroments growing up. names play an important role in how people precive us(and how we precieve ourselves).

i will get to the names but right now my wife is pestering me to take her for a ride on the new harley, so as i do have priorities the names will have to wait for tonight. sorry :cool:

gratefull for your intrest in my little thoughts.

Does your author ever make any allusions to other languages, such as the singsong of Italian, harshness in German and Northern European languages, or the softness of French?

malice, malcontent, malevolence, maim, monstrosity, manly, manhood, manliness, man, male. yeah, these words invoke all -kinds- of feminine, fuzzy feelings in me. blissful, content, peace, good, tranquil, these words are all very harsh and forceful. i see your point. ...oh wait, no i don't.

a lot of words in latin-based languages sound very similar. there is a reason for that, and it is not because of the sounds that they invoke. it is because a majority of the languages that we hear of are based in Indo-European roots. someone more studied in linguistic history can probably explain further.

"are you your name?"
Yes!

gratitude&love,



The associations between letters/sounds and particular meanings are secondary, and culturally specific. They are urban myths, if you will.


As for the sound /m/: it is so common across languages because it is one of the sounds that is easiest to articulate. You just close your mouth and blow through the nose, and you get an /m/.


letters of intimidation:
wich is in conjunction with words of warning.
police officers are trained to use their voices as tools of intimidation, and can often nuetralize situations by simply barking orders, that are crisp and deeply ressonant, such as ; stop, halt, back up, and get down.
formed from the tounge's hard contact with the palate or the forcefull expulsion of air from the lips, the B, hard C, G, D, K, P, and T conspire to create words like, kick, strike, beat, bite, cut, poke, punch, gun, conk, crash, kill, and crack.

But this is true only for English, and not even for English consistently.

Let's see:
bubbles, breathe, balm,
kind, kudos, caress,
good, generous, glee,
daisy, darling, dear,
poopy, poppy, pretty,
touchy, tiny, tender,

-- all terrrrrrible words, right?


Also, have a comparison with a Slavic language:

kick - brcniti
strike - udariti
beat -tepsti
bite - ugrizniti
cut - rezati
poke - drezati
punch - mahniti
gun - orožje
crash - sesuti
kill - ubiti
crack - zlomiti

??

” alright, i'll get to the names in a little bit but first i think i should clear up what the author of the book is saying, he's not giving definition to names persay rather to letters, or sounds the letters make.”

In short: a hack.
For the dealio is this: I can say the word “vittu” (which is not an ugly word, yet a curse word with the same implications as Fuck) softly, vigorously or with authority – the word itself does not define the situations it presents itself in.


“our response to the M sound is cross-cultured, evidence of this is that virtually every language on earth, the word for mother is dominated by the M”

Bullshit.

Äiti, in finnish which accidentally, is not of indo-European origin – as your examples were.
Now, I could draw conclusions akin to the ones of the authors, but one would have to keep in mind the cultural ramifications – language-wise.
Btw: Mother, for example, does not sound soothing when pronounced phonetically like a Finn should.

Äiti and Anya (Hungarian) are of the Finno-Ugric language family.

Words in themselves offer no universal codes, values – they mold according to usage.
Take the word “rakkaus”, means love. It’s not a soft word, at all.
Or the phrase “Aja hiljaa sillalla”, which is a warning to drive slowly over the bridge – and warnings covet authority according to your logic. And since the three words in this phrase all imply various nuances – often universal according to that book – then it all fucks up since language is constructed via the usage of sentences. A sentence filled with “ugly” words can sound pretty, and vice versa.

The phrase in itself sounds beautiful. But take, for example, the middle word ‘hiljaa’ and yell it, it translates to: SHUT UP!

My name, for example, differs according to which ever language is raping the pronunciation.

Grat:

What does your book say about the name, Andrew?

Names are a pretty interesting subject. In this book I read, Freakonomics, economist Steve Levitt through statistical analyses techniques found that there is a trend of middle and lower-class people using names of people of higher class to name their childen. The upper class tend to make up crazy odd names that eventually, through time, become normal (because others have copied them). Whether or not they do this consciously in hopes that it will advantage their children, it is not known. He notes, however, that blacks tend to not do this. They tend to stick with black names to maintain solidarity the others.
andrew: and
the combonation of the authoritarion letter A and the negative letter N sets up a level of tension that manifests itself in many pessimistic forms (anger, antagonize, anxious, anti, anguish and annoy) and its this friction that creates the inherent conflict in the AND personalities.
the dark qualities of the letter D (death, destruction, doom, damnation and despotism) dont do much to mitigate the problem, and even those who names incorporate the letter R (andrea, andre, andrew) are affected by the dramatic effects of the dr phoneme found in words; druid, dragon, drek, drum, dream, drastic and dread.

consequently, many ANDs choose to soften their names by using the diminutive form(andy andie)- suggesting a person somewhat uncomfortable with the inherent arrogance of their names. the diminunitizing effect of the y and ie at end of a name has its roots in childhood, when parents unconciously soften their speech by appending words with high-frequency tones(cat-kitty, dog-doggy, blanket-blankie).

since these names are influenced by some of the darker aspects of the human condition, ANDs tend to struggle with occasional bouts of cynicism that color their outlooks and permeate their relationsips. but although these are individuals who prefer to see the glass as being half empty, ANDs consider themselvs to be realists rather then pessimists, who are simply being candid about the state of the world. while this may translate as a tendency to stomp on the flower of hope when it blooms, ANDs feel that it's their duty to tell the truth. if nothing else you'll never be in doubt as to where they stand. these are unquestionably strong individuals who are not going to be swayed by criticism.

as an extention of their serious natures, ANDs have a tendency to parent those around them and bring all the qualities of a big brother or sister into the relationship. whise thes might prove tedious to some, it will prove attractive to thosed who need honest criticism in their lives . and this is where the AND personalities shine. when they feel appreciated, theres nothing they wouldnt do for a friend.

life with ANDs may be comfortable and predictable, but expect it to be punctuated by periodic bursts of high maintenance. still their saving grace is rooted in their exceptional communication skills, and because they always talk things out before loosing their tempers, you can count on family life flowing along relatively smooth.

sorry it took so long, ive been quite busy.

*pssst, Freud, over here*

And you drive a Harley to harness a brute, fierce power between your legs, limb dick.
Fraulein too - hence the wife coveting a ride.

Yes, 'tis a scientific and true fact.

” alright, i'll get to the names in a little bit but first i think i should clear up what the author of the book is saying, he's not giving definition to names persay rather to letters, or sounds the letters make.”

In short: a hack.
For the dealio is this: I can say the word “vittu” (which is not an ugly word, yet a curse word with the same implications as Fuck) softly, vigorously or with authority – the word itself does not define the situations it presents itself in.


“our response to the M sound is cross-cultured, evidence of this is that virtually every language on earth, the word for mother is dominated by the M”

Bullshit.

Äiti, in finnish which accidentally, is not of indo-European origin – as your examples were.
Now, I could draw conclusions akin to the ones of the authors, but one would have to keep in mind the cultural ramifications – language-wise.
Btw: Mother, for example, does not sound soothing when pronounced phonetically like a Finn should.

Äiti and Anya (Hungarian) are of the Finno-Ugric language family.

Words in themselves offer no universal codes, values – they mold according to usage.
Take the word “rakkaus”, means love. It’s not a soft word, at all.
Or the phrase “Aja hiljaa sillalla”, which is a warning to drive slowly over the bridge – and warnings covet authority according to your logic. And since the three words in this phrase all imply various nuances – often universal according to that book – then it all fucks up since language is constructed via the usage of sentences. A sentence filled with “ugly” words can sound pretty, and vice versa.

The phrase in itself sounds beautiful. But take, for example, the middle word ‘hiljaa’ and yell it, it translates to: SHUT UP!

My name, for example, differs according to which ever language is raping the pronunciation.
man i hate having a bad temper, that was alot of typing i just decided to erase.

i really wish i knew more on this subject to debate it intelligently with you.
but alas this is the first book ive read on the subject. as well as like the sixth book ive read in total. so really all you poor saps out there that have been sucked in to my ignorance i apologize. there i go again being cynical.

oh well i'll do the best i can.

i would agree that it isnt always the case as what ive said thus far about the book and if i wasnt so lazy i would keep copying stuff from the book, but i'd rather just ramble on with my own thoughts on the matter. so what your saying is its not true in the case of Aiti? ok theres one, and i'm sure there are some others out there. but the fact remains that the m sound is far less aggresive then the B, D, K and whatever other ones i wrote down before, and thats the case in the majority of the scenarios.
i could go through the dictionary and type all the magnificant, melodious, magicall, magnetic, majestic, mellow,malible, marketable, marvelous, moving, mindfull, methodicall, mercifull, mending, M, words and perhaps that would make you more open minded to my interpretation to the meaning. or maybe im mistaken, your mistrust makes you misinterpret, my mission. your belligerance is benign and youll do your best to bitchslap my mercifull message.
in order to bellow your ballistic blustering bullshit, butt dont banish me from your bull headed debates. i will try to mitigate my information to make it more easy to maintain your boastfull, boring, concepts, i will only mutter those things that are mundane, and that you can mutually monologue. so that you can monopolize the market on any given subject. and we monkey folk will bow to your bitter, bigmouth, badgering, dominance. \

dare i defy your dominant intellect, break me, drive my dumb thoughts into the dirt. damn my disdainfull decatant, dreary, discourse. different is discouraged, down with this debate for all who dissagree, discolor, and deny any other a shot at magnificance. bore into my soul and dislodge my momentum. bastards, pestering, dreary, dragons, from the depths of hell, demons, daring any mesiah's to try to emerge. so that we may degrade destroy, bend bash and downtrod any defiant to their great dominance.

stop!
im wrong youve mastered the ways of this world i will no longer downplay your monumental monarchy, rather mold me, as the masses i will marvel at all that you are, but only momentarily for i deny you your power, disdain i have for those who are dicks! :bugeye:

oh and incidentally, dr. cello if the depiction of rebbeca, was so vaigue and could be applied to anyone... how then, could it be wrong? :confused:

hopefully no ego's were hurt in the posting of this reply! :)

gratefull to be gratefull

*pssst, Freud, over here*

And you drive a Harley to harness a brute, fierce power between your legs, limb dick.
Fraulein too - hence the wife coveting a ride.

Yes, 'tis a scientific and true fact.
actually i got a deal on it i couldnt pass up and the ride was to merely go on a date, if you really want to know we have sex once a day, well there are times we skip a day but usually we make up for it. and yes i do like the power of a harley. but i more enjoy the scenery of nature that one can enjoy much more with the wind in ones hair. although the bike is a bit noisy, in turn the reason we wear earplugs. yeah i know what a whimp, but i dont care.

question what is wrong with you? do you not get laid much? you automatically associate a motorcyle with sexuall incompatance. it sorta sounds like jelousy, but of whom? me for having a bike or my wife?
it kinda sounds like you wish you could go for a ride with me?

all of the statements you provided above are of one of the following natures: a) so general that it could apply to anyone; b) the sort of thing that people like to believe; c) patently silly.

usually a description in books like these is a combination of generalities and 'things people want to believe about themselves'. this combines to make for a description which, when reading your own, you can very easily say 'yes, this is me!'. however, in the case of rebecca, the 'things you want to believe' are false (and contradictory, as i said.)

you should probably take into account a few factors. first, you are very likely not possessing in the skills and knowledge necessary for a useful self-analysis, so 'omg this fits perfectly' is likely not accurate. second, you just spent money on this book, and are spending time reading it. you do not want to feel like your time was wasted; therefore, you are more likely to believe it because your psyche thinks it's in your interests to do so. third, theories like this sound nifty and general wishful thinking means you want to believe them.

new rule. stop using alliteration in your posts. it doesn't further your cause. it makes you come off as a pretentious twat. try to use reason rather than waxing eloquent--and if you can't do so, then don't argue the point. your alliteration, by the way, contains many counterproductive examples. and it doesn't prove a point. multiple of us have already demonstrated that there are other words with these 'connotative sounds' that convey the exact opposite meaning. please stop trying to convince us otherwise. or at least wait until you have actually done your research (and research means more than just this one book.) debates become counterproductive when the uneducated try to come off as learned or knowledgeable.

it kinda sounds like you wish you could go for a ride with me?
Be careful, dude. Perfect is all kinds of european.

Love%gratitude
“but the fact remains that the m sound is far less aggresive then the B, D, K and whatever other ones i wrote down before, and thats the case in the majority of the scenarios.”

Thing is, that those letters and their phonetic principles are not akin to ‘abrasive’. They are aggressive to you? Perhaps, but what I found rather absurd was the so called universal position these totally pseudo authors enforce. Language and its ramifications manifest the minds of the speakers, and language constantly invents itself – perpetually. Hence this ordeal is universally impossible.

As Dr.Cello said, alliteration is not constructive; it is boastful as well as ignorant.

And as I versioned up an scenario where the same immense, even destructive power that is your penile extension, manifests itself as an Harley (Hells Angels RAWR), I though it made as much sense as the ‘Andrew analysis’. So don’t fret, follow your daily sex plan and stick a plug up your… ear.

roman:
“Be careful, dude. Perfect is all kinds of european.”

I don’t consider myself European, so I’d probably stick a firecracker up his ass.

Love%gratitude
“but the fact remains that the m sound is far less aggresive then the B, D, K and whatever other ones i wrote down before, and thats the case in the majority of the scenarios.”

Thing is, that those letters and their phonetic principles are not akin to ‘abrasive’. They are aggressive to you? Perhaps, but what I found rather absurd was the so called universal position these totally pseudo authors enforce. Language and its ramifications manifest the minds of the speakers, and language constantly invents itself – perpetually. Hence this ordeal is universally impossible.

As Dr.Cello said, alliteration is not constructive; it is boastful as well as ignorant.

And as I versioned up an scenario where the same immense, even destructive power that is your penile extension, manifests itself as an Harley (Hells Angels RAWR), I though it made as much sense as the ‘Andrew analysis’. So don’t fret, follow your daily sex plan and stick a plug up your… ear.

roman:
“Be careful, dude. Perfect is all kinds of european.”

I don’t consider myself European, so I’d probably stick a firecracker up his ass.
well you made me chuckle anyway. gotta start nightshift so probably be absent for couple weeks. or most of the way absent anyhow.

Well, gratitude&love does have one point which I cannot refute.

Most of the objections to his stance so far came from the position that
unless the statements about names and sounds/letters are true for all
languages, then they aren't true at all.

But is this so? Is it true that unless the statements about names and
sounds/letters are true for all languages, then they aren't true at all?

The arguments used in said book and as presented here are poor, because they
are mostly based on selective observation (like "All words that being with
an m envoke something good.").

But the conclusions are actually true FOR A SPECIFIC population:

A: It is true that some people believe in stereotypes and act on them.

B: It is true that some people believe in urban myths and act according to
them.

A and B are irrefutable.


I concede.
A particularistic argument is irrefutable. No point arguing here. Move on.

No water, you sissy.

When I function in an environment which enforces specific codes, I am a subjective being.
Now, English derives its nuances from my cultural references, as does my native language, as does the other languages I’ve studied. So you’re saying I shouldn’t try and debunk an ordeal deemed as universal as this?

So yeah, concede.
Like... some people dig pedophilia, they think it’s the definition of true love.
particularistic argument is irrefutable

damn right. gonna go pick up my niece.

When I function in an environment which enforces specific codes, I am a subjective being.
Now, English derives its nuances from my cultural references, as does my native language, as does the other languages I’ve studied. So you’re saying I shouldn’t try and debunk an ordeal deemed as universal as this?

No. Debunk the principle of the ordeal. It is universal, but it has individual, particular manifestations.
Phenomenon X has the group of meaning and connotations G1 in language 1, and G2 in language 2, whereby G1 and G2 are not identical. You can't say 1 is correct and 2 isn't.


So yeah, concede.

Like... some people dig pedophilia, they think it’s the definition of true love.

particularistic argument is irrefutable

They can be refuted within other discourses, like ethics. But not in the same discourse that provides the argument.


damn right. gonna go pick up my niece.

Better not.

belief does not necessarily equal reality. i think that we've demonstrated that even in one language, 'm' does not always equal something good, nor b something negative. while it is true that there are superstitious people and people who believe in urban legends, their acting on them does not necessarily make the principle true.

it is true that our expectations do affect people's reactions (exempli gratia, if i expect someone to like me they are more likely to be favourably inclined towards me), so if i expect my child's name to mean X about their personality, my actions and behaviour might cause them to take on that trait, to a degree. but there are still so many aspects of personality that are being avoided, and the point remains that it's not actually the name which is creating their personality, but rather my treatment of the name and their reaction to my treatment.

Perfect,
I thought you were from Europe. Where did I get this notion?

I said I don't consider myself an European.
Scandinavian if you must disregard countries and take a step towards states and such.

Well, gratitude&love does have one point which I cannot refute.

Most of the objections to his stance so far came from the position that
unless the statements about names and sounds/letters are true for all
languages, then they aren't true at all.

But is this so? Is it true that unless the statements about names and
sounds/letters are true for all languages, then they aren't true at all?

The arguments used in said book and as presented here are poor, because they
are mostly based on selective observation (like "All words that being with
an m envoke something good.").

But the conclusions are actually true FOR A SPECIFIC population:

A: It is true that some people believe in stereotypes and act on them.

B: It is true that some people believe in urban myths and act according to
them.

A and B are irrefutable.


I concede.
A particularistic argument is irrefutable. No point arguing here. Move on.
water, i appreciate your semi-reassurance. but thats not what i was going for here. really all it was, is i read something that peaked my intrest, and i will admit that, yours, perfects, and dr c, all made points that i agree with but since nobody would take offense i had to. i really just wanted a couple of intelects to take on the subject so i could learn more.

to all, i apologize for my beligerance of late been in a funk for the last week, kinda argumenative and irritable.


heres a question for you though. when attempting to startle someone would it be more effective to say moo or boo? (assuming the level of your voice was the same in either case)
and why is it universal that mmm is a sound for good, while baah is bad?

and kyah is taught as an agresive sound for self defense, while myah would make your attacker possibly quit cause its funny sounding.

grr is the sound for anger, murr well you get the point.

one last one english is the fastest growing language yes? est. over a billion speak it as either first or second language. so would that make it more universal in its own?

again i apologize for my arrogant aire of late. :o

gratefull for real now.

james: jm
with almost four million people bearing some sort of jm name, this group is by far the most populat in north america. perhaps it has something to do with the judicious, judgemental and justice loving letter j and the letter Ms close association with all that is maternal motherly and merciful. these names herald personalities of uncommon strength and comapassion, and jms are statistically better prepared for life success than any other name. it should be noted that words ending with the high-pitched setters (y and ie)are associated with ass things funny, sunny, goofy, spry, happy, and zany, and the jimmys and jamies of the world are consequently a lot more approachable and a littse sess predictable.

theres a sense of self-satisfaction(and even a gint of smugness) associated with jm mnames. for even though theyre not the typesto throw their weight around, they are usually granted authority over their social groups. people naturally derer to their said back style of seadership, and jms often emerge as pillars of their communities. they may not be particularly big on finesse, but they are certainly open minded and generous to a fault.

if you know any jms youre probably familiar with their mysterious way of ending up at the top of th food chain. not in th dominating sense, for these are remarkably easygoing people, but in the way they seem to know wich button to push to get wat they want. these were the kids whose science projects actually worked and whose show and tell made everyone set up and take notice.

its often said that jms refuse to grow up, and in turth many of them seem to gave a childlike curiosity and have a knack for learning new skills. they are secretly very competitive people who see life in terms of winning and losing, so dont expect them to be graceful losers. they simply dont get much practice.

jms have excellent language skills and its difficult to compete with them when theyre in one of their persuasive moods. they arent shy about plying their influence to get what they want, but it would be unfair to label them as manipulative. then again, jms dont give a hoot about labels and arent going to object in any case.

jms can also be downright shmoozy when it comes to interacting with the opposite sex and often play the field whise pondering about getting hitched. and although settling down may be a song time coming, once theyve made their decision, jms will waste little time getting to the child rearing stage. lide most people whose manes incorporate the maternal letter m, nothing pleases jms more than being able to nurture, teach and influence their offspring.

What's Roman mean?

What's Roman mean?
i havent looked yet but i would venture to say persistant. :)
or that your just wandering around. hee hee just a joke.
roman: rmn

the r is the symbol for all things racy, randy, romantic, ruddy, ripe, and ribald, and the name it intiallizes are colored with a cheedy sense of defiant fun. the setter m on the other hand, is the symbol for maternal love (maiden, matron, mercy, mild and madam) and is the key letter of the word mother in VIRTUALLY every language. its not surprising, therefore, that the combination of the m and r creates words with a warmly romantic air: harem, rythm romp charm and romeo. but since the rmn names are also dominated by the letter n the icon of all things negative(no not never nada null nothing not) these are people who, for all their emotionall intelligence have a deeply rooted aspect of self doubt that prevades their life.

with their zest for stimulation its not likely that youll find many rmns who enjoy staying indoors. the universe is so irresistably exciting to them that if they had their druthers they would see it all. theres no question that rmns are adventurers at heart and even those who dont get the oportunity to tromp all over the place, will have their adventures and engaging stories. and yet even with their penchant for travel and exploration, rmns never stray to far from their emotionall nests: they are too tightly bound to their families and loved ones.

when it comes to their careers rmns are natural educators who are drawn to young people for their curiosity and learning. children respond likewise to the rmns abilities to relate to them on their own level, and many rmns make a good living in teaching and coaching. their social skills are sophisticated enough to facilitate jobs in wich they deal with the public, but very few rmns acctually enjoy the competitiveness of cut throat sales and marketing careers.

because rmns are happiest when they're learning about the world and sharing it with others, their idea of a perfect evening is philosophizing with a group of friends over a bottle of wine. most of their romantic matches materialize from situations like this, and if your looking to spice up your love life with the equvilant of an itialian lover, then you might want to invite yourself to one of their soirees. even if your not in the mood for a romantic liaison, youll certainly appreciate the rmns child like sense of wonder.

when it comes to intimate affairs, rmns might be roamers, but there is no greater goal in their lives then having their own families. as lovers they may be a little on the over eager side, but what they lack in finnesse is more then made up for in sensitivity and affection.

Does your author ever make any allusions to other languages, such as the singsong of Italian, harshness in German and Northern European languages, or the softness of French?
in fact almost the same wording.

I by far got the best one.

Hmmm....
I adventure quite a bit, more than you're average Americanian. Traveled some of the world, go romp about in the woods from time to time. I'm strongly attached to my family and mates, more than most I think. Maternal. I do have a bit of a mothering instinct, and like knowledge and the sharing of it.

Emotional intelligence... I don't think that's me. Intellectual intelligence, perhaps. Self-doubt, yes. But no one likes an over-confident braggadocio.

It failed to mention my cruel, vicious puppy hating streak. I greatly enjoy a good fight.

I also can't stand kids.

Over eager and lack of finesse. Definitely me.

Thank you, gratitude.

“one last one english is the fastest growing language yes? est. over a billion speak it as either first or second language. so would that make it more universal in its own?”

The thrill is... that it doesn’t mean shit since my native language is the thing that molds my phonetic values. You think I draw remarkable distinctions between two letters used with English after familiarizing myself to phonetics trough “Runkkari perkele, kyrvällä runnon rupareikäsi” “Du är rödä om min ollon” or “Die Juden sind unsere freundin”.
People tend to treat English not according to the so called universal models – even though they can elaborate with the language.

You arrogant bastard. :rolleyes:
Another mans shit is another mans pudding, or however it went.

I use 'mmm' when expressing doubt or uncertainty more often than 'mm, good.' Though not in the dictionary (or at least, not in any of mine), 'meh' is a fairly common word used to indicate dissatisfaction. i use it all the time. i can agree with some of your examples, but these seem to be onomatopoetic, so we associate the word with the actual sound. and there are exceptions. i don't think i need to list them.

Anyhoo, have fun with the analyses, Imma fuck off.

gratitude&love:

My thanks for the James analysis! I found it quite interesting and, in fact, rather accurate.

i personally agree with Dr cello "this is what is called 'confirmation bias'."

but that list is interesting none the less and i like it, i personally think someones name does mean something more than a title for them to be addressed as.

As Water said, we must consider that this book is essentially dealing with one language, not all. One can, potentially, try to find some meaning in sounds in one language, but as Dr. Cello pointed out, all sounds are used differently.

I will grant you that the 6 stops (p,b,t,d,k,g) do have more noise than nasals (m,n,ng) and semi vowels (w,y). Yes, for those interested, these can be seen in graphs, which I do not have, but have seen. However, they are not as noisy as the fricatives (f,v,s,z,sh, dg [in judge]). This man doesn't seem to account for that. One more correction:

the setter m on the other hand, is the symbol for maternal love (maiden, matron, mercy, mild and madam) and is the key letter of the word mother in VIRTUALLY every language.

This is true only for the proto-Indo-European languages. (Indic, Slavic, Hellenic, Romance, Celtic, Germanic to name a few). The connections with other languages are highly unlikely as nuclear family meanings are some of the last to be borrowed or changed because they are used so often. I know the whole thing seems tempting, but there's just not enough evidence for it.

gratitude&love,


i really just wanted a couple of intelects to take on the subject so i could learn more.

In this case, it is more advisable to pick up an introductory textbook to linguistics.


heres a question for you though. when attempting to startle someone would it be more effective to say moo or boo? (assuming the level of your voice was the same in either case)

Since /b/ is a plosive, "boo" is more audible than /m/, so it seems "boo" would be more effective when trying to startle someone.


and why is it universal that mmm is a sound for good, while baah is bad?

We are in the field of interjections here.
While some interjections are shared across languages (like "aha!" for surprise, or "uh" for boredom, "aw" (and similar) for pain, "eh" for mild disapproval), many are also language specific.
For example, if you are cold in English, you say "brr", while is Slovene, you say "oosh" or "ooshah".
I ould not venture to say that a particular sound or sound chain is typically connected to a particular meaning though.


and kyah is taught as an agresive sound for self defense, while myah would make your attacker possibly quit cause its funny sounding.

In what language?


grr is the sound for anger, murr well you get the point.

Yes, such is true for some other languages as well, not just for English.
But before we fall for generalizations, we must keep in mind that onomatopoetic interjections are not rarely language specific.

"Murr" doesn't exist in Slovene, for example.


one last one english is the fastest growing language yes? est. over a billion speak it as either first or second language. so would that make it more universal in its own?

No, I don't see why. The number of speakers doesn't say anything about the universality of language (universality in linguistic terms, not in sociological terms).

There is an interesting aspect though because of language interference: English interferes with the native language of those to whom English is the second or foreign language.
Those non-English languages borrow words from English and assimilate them as their own. This does aid to spread particular English language principles (phonological, morphological and syntactic) and make them seem universal.


again i apologize for my arrogant aire of late.

Que?


james: jm
with almost four million people bearing some sort of jm name, this group is by far the most populat in north america. perhaps it has something to do with the judicious, judgemental and justice loving letter j and the letter Ms close association with all that is maternal motherly and merciful. these names herald personalities of uncommon strength and comapassion, and jms are statistically better prepared for life success than any other name. it should be noted that words ending with the high-pitched setters (y and ie)are associated with ass things funny, sunny, goofy, spry, happy, and zany, and the jimmys and jamies of the world are consequently a lot more approachable and a littse sess predictable.

theres a sense of self-satisfaction(and even a gint of smugness) associated with jm mnames. for even though theyre not the typesto throw their weight around, they are usually granted authority over their social groups. people naturally derer to their said back style of seadership, and jms often emerge as pillars of their communities. they may not be particularly big on finesse, but they are certainly open minded and generous to a fault.

if you know any jms youre probably familiar with their mysterious way of ending up at the top of th food chain. not in th dominating sense, for these are remarkably easygoing people, but in the way they seem to know wich button to push to get wat they want. these were the kids whose science projects actually worked and whose show and tell made everyone set up and take notice.

its often said that jms refuse to grow up, and in turth many of them seem to gave a childlike curiosity and have a knack for learning new skills. they are secretly very competitive people who see life in terms of winning and losing, so dont expect them to be graceful losers. they simply dont get much practice.

jms have excellent language skills and its difficult to compete with them when theyre in one of their persuasive moods. they arent shy about plying their influence to get what they want, but it would be unfair to label them as manipulative. then again, jms dont give a hoot about labels and arent going to object in any case.

jms can also be downright shmoozy when it comes to interacting with the opposite sex and often play the field whise pondering about getting hitched. and although settling down may be a song time coming, once theyve made their decision, jms will waste little time getting to the child rearing stage. lide most people whose manes incorporate the maternal letter m, nothing pleases jms more than being able to nurture, teach and influence their offspring.

How about languages that don't have jms names?


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Perfect,


The thrill is... that it doesn’t mean shit since my native language is the thing that molds my phonetic values.

Exactly.

Another thing is that the more languages one speaks, the more relative phonetic values become. That is, even though one might associate /m/ with something good, /p/ with genitalia etc., these associations tend to lessen as one learns more languages.

I speak only four languages plus some bits of others (and I study linguistics), but already this sufficed that particular sounds don't evoke any particular meanings anymore. Phonemes are just that to me: phonemes.

Water pretty much summed it up, but for a quick mention of the "kya" thing. I do know other styles of martial arts that teache "hai" which doesn't have a plosive at all, but seems just as effective.

Water pretty much summed it up, but for a quick mention of the "kya" thing. I do know other styles of martial arts that teache "hai" which doesn't have a plosive at all, but seems just as effective.

Know what I read? That you know other styles of marital arts ...

He he. Guess what's going on in my mind ...




Re Are you your name?

Many people tend to think me demure and proper and held-back. Then I tell them my name. Nejka. Then I try to explain how to pronounce it, and the closest word in English is "naked". It really is ironic, the wheels of fate ...

Water:

That is remarkably hysterical. Nice name, though.

Re Are you your name?

Many people tend to think me demure and proper and held-back. Then I tell them my name. Nejka. Then I try to explain how to pronounce it, and the closest word in English is "naked". It really is ironic, the wheels of fate ...

So was that then a yes or a no? Naked or not?

Seeing the name already declared there, should there or should there not then be problem with referring to Nejka in subsequent postings?

I'd like to know, about these wheels of fate.

I like "Nejka".

I see nothing so wrong with it, no problem, nothing to be ashamed of.

--- Ron.

My name definitely has a good description of me. Every letter and sound comes pretty close. this is because I looked it up in a numerology book and the author had very good definitions of personalities.
Gratitude&love, I think you should pick a name that seems compatible with yours or/and your wifes. If you need help, go to a numerologist and they will help you pick out a good name.

Analyse my name - Katarina. thanks

I can give you a limited meaning, which might display your personality, this has to include your last name so you will have to figure out the rest
The more of the same letters you have in your full name that is what should be displayed in personality the most:
It is called the intensity number, it is intensely inside you
k(2)-2's seek the warm place, they don'tlike to be alone, so its the need for love. If you have alot of 2's in your name and you are single and working, you are not happy. you need that partnership. It is also a very psychic energy with amazing gut instincts
a(1)- this means you have a tremendous awareness of self, you're strong willed, you do what it takes to be the best at what you do, you can lead and you never stop. It's a constant movement forward. What does it mean? I want to win, and you are competitive.
t(2)-same def. i(9)- same def.
r(9)- The 9 is charitable and cares deeply for people. They have a strong sense of wanting to go places. They should travel, look at the world, keep a journal, write their thoughts down and let go of old pain from their past. When they need assistance, they need to ask for it. They should not resist leadership positions. They are very good at being in charge.
n(5)- you like sex, you like the romance, fun, candles, lingerie, they always say how can we make this a special event, not just typical? They want to party and enjoy themselves and if they're not careful, they get themselves into trouble. for them life is all about passion.
Tell me if you need anymore numbers!

To do a more deeper analysis i would need your birth certificate name and birthday, so that's why you should see a numerologist if you are interested in knowing how your name affects you.

To do a more deeper analysis i would need your credit card details and blood type , so that's why you should see a numerologist if you are interested in more utter bullshit .
Fixed

What do you mean by fixed? I never said everything numerology says the person is like is always true. Sometimes events in your life change that. I never asked for money and I haven't heard back from the people I gave the info to.

If it makes you happy spouting these inane prophecies, then fine. So long as you realise that these predicitons you make are totally baseless and inherently wrong.

The reason I like studying numerology is because it helps people realize who they really are and also helps guide their path if they happen to be lost. It is also interesting to see that these characristics that describes a person is alot of the times true, howvever vague you may think it is always surprising to the person.
It doesn't make prophecies and it does't predict the future. And I wouldn't be doing this if I thought it to be baseless and inherently wrong!

Explain scientifically how numerology works.

Numerology is not new. It has been around for 2,500 yrs. That's around the time pythagoras was born. His research on numbers gave rise to the science of numerology. He is regarded as the founder of the science of geometry, esp. the pythagorean theorem, the formula for a triangle. Most imp. he was the 1st person to realize that #'s are the very foundation of the universe.
he taught that each # had a numerical attribute that was unique, all it would take to understand the qualities of a person, place or thing would be to know which#'s made up its vibrating energy.
He believed that the vibration or "tone" of the universe at the exact moment of birth has an influenceover both a person's character and his/her life destiny in life.
Numerology does not depend on psychic ability. It's power doesn't depend on that characteristic. Everyone has a little psychic ability or intuition. Some more than others.

Numerology is not a science, no more than astrology is. Why do these numbers mean what they do? How can one measure the vibration of the Universe? Do you understand the Relativity of simultaneity, which throws astrology and numerology off because they both depend on simultaneous events?

I can't subscribe to the anagram type of thing, but sometimes I have noticed names mentioned in the media that describe the person's proffession, which of course tended to be the norm in olden times, but is rather unusual today.

New Scientist ran a semi-regular feature on what they jokingly called "Nominative Determinism" - how people have jobs that match their names here's some typical examples:

Marsh is referring to the book The Imperial Animal by Lionel Tiger and Robin Fox.

The chair of aneaesthesiology and pain management at the College of Veterinary Medicine at the University of Illinois is one William J Tranquilli, while a climate scientist at Purdue University, Indiana who is predicting floods across the USA is named Noah Diffenbaugh.

More examples: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hs=rAB&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&q=%22new+scientist%22+nominative+determinism&btnG=Search&meta=

Yeah that's the kind of thing and it occurs more often than you expect.

fascinating

rosebud?

rosebud?

lol ;) suits me yes?

On same subject (different perspective) FYI: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=52044