i would like all atheists who used to be theists to vote on the poll please.

peace.

Uhm both choices are the same... (?)

Anyways i was never theist although i had the upbringing.

Uhm both choices are the same... (?)

Anyways i was never theist although i had the upbringing.

because its not a vote its to gather some information for a quick sciforums test. you cant chose a single option in a poll, so i had to choose 2.

peace.

There was also yes or no.

Atleast you could have put I'vee always been an athiest or I've always been thiest as a control.

Yeah, edit it :)

ok ok. so how exactly do i edit a poll?

peace.

i would like all atheists who used to be theists to vote on the poll please.

peace.
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M*W: Using the word "turned" atheist is like saying milk "turned" sour. We don't "turn." "Became atheist" or "embraced atheism" would be better word usage.

LOL, atheists. :rolleyes:
You are more worried about how the poll looks than answering the question. And then you have to start hair-splitting the question's wording. We aren't idiots, we know what the question means.

I was raised Baptist in a Berean Fundamental church. I don't even remember when I became am atheist. It seems like I always doubted.
Kinda like I don't remember when I became hetero, I just always was.

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M*W: Using the word "turned" atheist is like saying milk "turned" sour. We don't "turn." "Became atheist" or "embraced atheism" would be better word usage.


but why is using the word turned not correct wording? the definition of "turned" fits the bill. if not why not?


peace.

LOL, atheists. :rolleyes:
You are more worried about how the poll looks than answering the question. And then you have to start hair-splitting the question's wording. We aren't idiots, we know what the question means.

I was raised Baptist in a Berean Fundamental church. I don't even remember when I became am atheist. It seems like I always doubted.
Kinda like I don't remember when I became hetero, I just always was.

so was you ever even a true theist?


peace.

so was you ever even a true theist?


peace.

I had to have been. I prayed, I accepted Jesus as my savior, I went o church 3 times a week, and I went to Bible Camp. But I remember in 2nd grade my Mom was pulled into the Pastor's office for a talking to about me. I asked too many questions. My Mom said he was an ass and just ignore him, but that kind of behavior got my doubts rolling.

and quit peacing me!!!!!

I had to have been. I prayed, I accepted Jesus as my savior, I went o church 3 times a week, and I went to Bible Camp. But I remember in 2nd grade my Mom was pulled into the Pastor's office for a talking to about me. I asked too many questions. My Mom said he was an ass and just ignore him, but that kind of behavior got my doubts rolling.

and quit peacing me!!!!!

you dont seem to be bitter towards theists.

i never even believed in santa, i got in trouble at school when i was about 4 for telling all the other kids santa does not exist, and your parents give you the gifts. the teacher actualy punished me for that lol.

whats your problem with me saying peace? im just ending the post. accept it like you accepted god as a child :)/

peace.

you dont seem to be bitter towards theists.....

No, why would I be?? None of the theists I know ever did anything out of meanness. They believe in hell and eternal damnation. They truly cared about me. And a few theists don't speak/act for them all. I don't want them judging what I believe so where would I get off judging their beliefs? My Mom raised me better. ;) I'm not a religious bigot.

Yes, I am an atheist that used to be a theist.

Mines just a protest vote BTW I've never been a kneeler pleaser.;)

No, why would I be?? None of the theists I know ever did anything out of meanness. They believe in hell and eternal damnation. They truly cared about me. And a few theists don't speak/act for them all. I don't want them judging what I believe so where would I get off judging their beliefs? My Mom raised me better. ;) I'm not a religious bigot.

you shouldent be, but alot of people are. its good that you chose to be nice to people,

peace. peace.

you shouldent be, but alot of people are. its good that you chose to be nice to people,

peace. peace.

Its funny that the people I have the biggest problem with are other atheists. Believers don't know any better. Atheists should.

And I'm not nice to all people. :p
ass ass

Its funny that the people I have the biggest problem with are other atheists. Believers don't know any better. Atheists should.

And I'm not nice to all people. :p
ass ass

i was thinking to convert from daoism to radical islam,

i think theists should be nice to people also, after all it does tell them to be nice in the holy books.

peace.

damnit dont screw with the poll you little rebel. this is for a serious test this is.

:argue:

peace.

Set up a new one and ditch this one Stan.:geek:

Set up a new one and ditch this one Stan.:geek:

a new pole with what options?

peace.

did u convert from a to b
did you convert from b to a
you always been a
you always been b

I was a theist until the age of 9. I stopped believing in a god 2 years after I stopped believing in Santa Claus but a year before I stopped believing in Bigfoot.

did u convert from a to b
did you convert from b to a
you always been a
you always been b

thats to simular to this thread, maybe i should open a new pole with alot more choices.

peace.

thats to simular to this thread, maybe i should open a new pole with alot more choices.

peace.

:bugeye:

This poll offers one choice, the other thread offers four. The other thread also covers the rarely mentioned topic/idea of atheists converting to theists.

yeah do that.

but why is using the word turned not correct wording? the definition of "turned" fits the bill. if not why not?
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M*W: One doesn't "turn" to an atheist. "Turn" implies going from one thing/belief to another. "Turn" implies a sudden movement from one thing to the next as in "it's your turn," "He turned left," Don't turn down the offer."

One doesn't "turn" from theist to atheist, because it is a gradual, sometimes lifelong, experience. You don't wake up one morning and say from now on, I'm going to be an atheist. It takes years, even decades, to come to the realization that there is no god because we've been so brainwashed by our families and our peers and other authorities. I didn't "turn" atheist, I became one after a number of years of studying christianity. I actually never read anything about atheism during the process. No one convinced me nor forced me to be an atheist. I came to the realization by my own insight.

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M*W: One doesn't "turn" to an atheist. "Turn" implies going from one thing/belief to another. "Turn" implies a sudden movement from one thing to the next as in "it's your turn," "He turned left," Don't turn down the offer."

One doesn't "turn" from theist to atheist, because it is a gradual, sometimes lifelong, experience. You don't wake up one morning and say from now on, I'm going to be an atheist. It takes years, even decades, to come to the realization that there is no god because we've been so brainwashed by our families and our peers and other authorities. I didn't "turn" atheist, I became one after a number of years of studying christianity. I actually never read anything about atheism during the process. No one convinced me nor forced me to be an atheist. I came to the realization by my own insight.

just like milk doesent just wake up and decide to turn sour one morning? it takes weeks to turn into sour milk, its a gradual process.


edit: also you did go from one belief to another. from the belief in a god into the belief that there is no god.

peace.

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M*W: One doesn't "turn" to an atheist. "Turn" implies going from one thing/belief to another. "Turn" implies a sudden movement from one thing to the next as in "it's your turn," "He turned left," Don't turn down the offer."

One doesn't "turn" from theist to atheist, because it is a gradual, sometimes lifelong, experience. You don't wake up one morning and say from now on, I'm going to be an atheist. It takes years, even decades, to come to the realization that there is no god because we've been so brainwashed by our families and our peers and other authorities. I didn't "turn" atheist, I became one after a number of years of studying christianity. I actually never read anything about atheism during the process. No one convinced me nor forced me to be an atheist. I came to the realization by my own insight.

You're just being obsessive here, turned fits the bill just fine.

and M*W, you said to me before that you have to be a theist to become an atheist. why is that so? why cant i become an atheist? i have never been a theist before i was raised without religion.

so why cant i become an atheist if i decide to one day? it seems pretty easy to me. i decide there is no god and i become an atheist. why cant i just do that?

peace.

I was an extremely devout and committed theist who is now an atheist. I have no denials about my bitterness towards the religion I was freed from.

I chose the 2nd option because I liked the font.

but why is using the word turned not correct wording? the definition of "turned" fits the bill. if not why not?
peace.the word turned is wrong, because, it should be reverted, you can turn into a theist, but it is impossible to turn into an atheist, it is how you are born, you can only revert back to the norm.
it is a gradual process shedding the religion skin you been brainwashed with, It takes years, to revert back.
This poll offers one choice, the other thread offers four. The other thread also covers the rarely mentioned topic/idea of atheists converting to theists.that should be "rarely mentioned subjective idea of atheist converting to theism", which is a complete and utter in possibility, without a blow to the head. you dont go from rational to irrational, now do you.
You're just being obsessive here, turned fits the bill just fine.maybe so but she is correct.

so why cant i become an atheist if i decide to one day? it seems pretty easy to me. i decide there is no god and i become an atheist. why cant i just do that?although technically you would be an atheist, you're just a non-believer in the real sense. an atheist that has been indoctrinated, and through a lot of study, and self doubting you become enlightened, with the truth, that kind of atheist is wholly different to a non-belever. it having a knowledge of religious fantasies that once had a hold of you, and having no concept of god/religion.

the word turned is wrong, because, it should be reverted, you can turn into a theist, but it is impossible to turn into an atheist, it is how you are born ...


On what basis do you claim that one is born an atheist and not a theist?

On what basis do you claim that one is born an atheist and not a theist? if you cant see how stupid a question it is you pose, it beggers belief.
are you going to try and play this game with me now, when you weren't prepared to discuss it with snakelord, over in the "why do atheist hate jesus thread", honour him with a response and then get back to me if you so wish.
you dont expect me to debate you if your intellectually dishonest, do you.

the word turned is wrong, because, it should be reverted, you can turn into a theist, but it is impossible to turn into an atheist, it is how you are born ...

your also born not being able to tie you shoe/:cool:

your also born not being able to tie your shoe/:cool:yes your point being.
so once you learnt to tie your shoe laces, if you wished you could revert back to the natural state of not tying shoe laces, ain't free will wonderful.
mind you having said that it not something the religious have, so you wouldn't know.
people have free will, not sheeple.

when you weren't prepared to discuss it with snakelord, over in the "why do atheist hate jesus thread", honour him with a response and then get back to me if you so wish.


Yeah f00! Listen to the man :D

yes your point being.
so once you learnt to tie your shoe laces, if you wished you could revert back to the natural state of not tying shoe laces, ain't free will wonderful.
mind you having said that it not something the religious have, so you wouldn't know.
people have free will, not sheeple.

Just use you head. By the time a human reaches the age of reason (beginning around the age of 5) and if he were lucky enough to not have outside influences to corrupt him, that child will look up at the sky and wonder why.

He will look at different creratures around him and know full well the meaning of creation. UNTIL some cynical, jaded creep comes along and beats it out of him.

Sheeple?

How pathetic. All your beliefs were pounded into your head like a spike into a cinder block.

The universe is infinate....???? oh reallly???

We came from XXXX

We were frogs

We were monkeys

We all walked from Africa

Give me a break, go suck your thumb and read the texts of your Gods- it is all assumption but your to shallow to see it and too stubborn to admit it.

By the time a human reaches the age of reason (beginning around the age of 5) and if he were lucky enough to not have outside influences to corrupt him, that child will look up at the sky and wonder why

Yeah you idiots!! Listen to the 5 year old, he knows the score :bugeye:

Pay attention John: All that obvious misplaced anger and frustration changes nothing. You can want gods to exist or not, it's irrelevant to anything - I wish you luck and joy with it. Your above argument is without any worth or value whatsoever.

Very creative. Do you swing a hammer also?

the word turned is wrong, because, it should be reverted, you can turn into a theist, but it is impossible to turn into an atheist, it is how you are born, you can only revert back to the norm.
it is a gradual process shedding the religion skin you been brainwashed with, It takes years, to revert back.
that should be "rarely mentioned subjective idea of atheist converting to theism", which is a complete and utter in possibility, without a blow to the head. you dont go from rational to irrational, now do you.
maybe so but she is correct.

although technically you would be an atheist, you're just a non-believer in the real sense. an atheist that has been indoctrinated, and through a lot of study, and self doubting you become enlightened, with the truth, that kind of atheist is wholly different to a non-belever. it having a knowledge of religious fantasies that once had a hold of you, and having no concept of god/religion.



so what is the difference between an atheist and somebody who doesent believe in god?

according to wikipedia it doesent mach what you and MW say, it doesent say anything about having to be a theist first. why does it seem like you try to make atheism sound like you have to study for it? or like its hard to acheive. its a very simple concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

"Atheism, as a philosophical view, is the position that either affirms the nonexistence of gods[1] or rejects theism.[2] When defined more broadly, atheism is the absence of belief in deities, alternatively called nontheism.[3] Although atheists are commonly assumed to be irreligious, some religions, such as Buddhism, have been characterized as atheistic.[4][5]"



peace.

Very creative. Do you swing a hammer also?

Was there something in my post you disagreed with? Other problems perhaps? What are you asking me?

I am asking if you are a carpenter like geeser.

You both sound like some self appointed prophets.

I don't understand why it is that most of the personal attacks here are from atheists. You don't see the born-again Christians personally attacking anyone (unless they are attacked first). Then again, I think there are only 3 of us. :confused:

Unless it's Michael Moore or Cindy Sheehan...

I'm talking about PERSONAL attacks against other members of this forum.
Everyone else is fair game as evidenced by people slamming Jesus and God.
Oh, except liberals. They are not fair game. :rolleyes:

I don't understand why it is that most of the personal attacks here are from atheists. You don't see the born-again Christians personally attacking anyone (unless they are attacked first). Then again, I think there are only 3 of us. :confused:
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M*W: Oh, come on now. It's the christians who spew their hate and venom. Atheists don't tolerate christians' stupidity. Why is it that you people join predominantly atheistic forums then try to convert everyone. You're wasting your time. You need to join a forum where you belong. There's plenty of them on the Internet.

You're wasting your time. You need to join a forum where you belong. There's plenty of them on the Internet.
Shes racking up brownie points with the deity...if it is a she.

Highly doubtful. :cool:

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M*W: Oh, come on now. It's the christians who spew their hate and venom. Atheists don't tolerate christians' stupidity. Why is it that you people join predominantly atheistic forums then try to convert everyone. You're wasting your time. You need to join a forum where you belong. There's plenty of them on the Internet.

People do not tolerate any stupidity. It gets very annoying reading post from people who read a book or two and then come on here with ALL the answers.

Your making claims and passing them off as truth, do you see how dumb that is?

Christians repond to the delusions passed on this board, over 2000 years later and this board, that is supposedly Atheist (that is your claim) and what like 60-70% of the posts are about Jesus. That is pathetic, you dont believe, then you dont believe...quit harping on it.

We had some kid who read two books and claimed he hd all the answers...HE iis a militant Atheist, so tell me who is DELUDED?

Who will remember Medicine*Woman 2000 years from now? Who will remember SnakeLord 2000 years from now or your real names for that matter?

Your all being led by your noses, why cant you see that?

Like i have said on here a few times i believe in Jesus because of an NDE- so what? and M*W i am not sure i can believe things you say anymore. You know what i am talking about:( . Thank for you stories.

AND finally, when i joined did i miss the Atheist check box?

I've always been an atheist. I don't count my child years as I was brainwashed and not mature enough to realize.

I've always been an atheist. I don't count my child years as I was brainwashed and not mature enough to realize.

your brainwashed now, but so what...who isnt?...um, i am not anyway.

your brainwashed now, but so what...who isnt?

You can't be brainwashed to think that the ridiculous doesn't exist... merely you become old enough to use your common sense and reject these silly claims which as a child you would believe.

Like i have said on here a few times i believe in Jesus because of an NDE-
Why would a death experience result in a belief in Jesus.

I can see how it would lead to a belief in an afterlife.

Did you see some spiritual being while you were dead that identified himself as Jesus?

Why would a death experience result in a belief in Jesus.

...

Did you see some spiritual being while you were dead that identified himself as Jesus?

YES

And i was not dead- it is called 'near death experience'

I know you will not see what i did if it is by your own hand...you have to want to live---more than anything, you have to want to live.

YES
But the real Jesus never even heard the name Jesus. Its just a word dreamed up by Latin translators.

His real name was Yeshua Ben Yosef.

Surely he would have identified himself by his real name.

Lots of people all over the world have death experiences and dont neccessarily see Jesus. They might see characters from the religion into which they happen to be born.

Or just unidentified 'beings of light' who communicate either with language or some form of telepathy.

Does not matter, it is identified by what you would understand. A new born baby would understand it- they are pure, uncurrupted.

And i was not dead- it is called 'near death experience'
Oh well, then it doesnt even count.

The only experiences which lend credence to an afterlife are those which takes place during periods of brain death...meaning no vital electrical activity whatsoever.

If the brain is still functioning the visions are usually dismissed as imaginative illusions...like dreams.

so what is the difference between an atheist and somebody who doesent believe in god?

according to wikipedia it doesent mach what you and MW say, it doesent say anything about having to be a theist first. why does it seem like you try to make atheism sound like you have to study for it? or like its hard to acheive. its a very simple concept.

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M*W: Atheism comes to different people in different ways. There is no requirement of being a theist first. No one said there was. Whatever one's background, it does take a process to get from point A to point B. It takes study or communication with others to refresh one's mindset. I was a believer in god when I came to sciforums, even though I had long determined that Jesus wasn't god. I still believed he existed at that time, but I had a desire to learn all I could about christianity, having been one, and then I woke up to the fact that I had been wrong all along. Even when I was a christian, I had doubts. But instead of feeling guilty over those doubts, I continued to read and learn. It didn't take me long to realize christianity was the evil beast it proselytized against! The followers of the beast were entrapped in its loins. I had to get out. I've never regretted it.

There is no one way to embrace atheism. It is as varied as there are people and personalities. It does require thought and research, sometimes years, sometimes not. Sciforums is the best place to be to acquire this knowledge. I suspect christians come here to preach and convert, but ultimately they may be here because they're curious. That's a good sign. Otherwise, why would christians come here? I think they want to take a walk on the wild side. They're probably curious that we know something they don't. That's true. The likelihood that christians who come to sciforums is greater in that they will eventually become atheists than the atheists that come here would become christians. If christians were truly betrothed to their faith, they wouldn't dare come to sciforums. Maybe they think they will convert us all. That will never happen to not even one of us atheists.

Oh well, then it doesnt even count.

The only experiences which lend credence to an afterlife are those which takes place during periods of brain death...meaning no vital electrical activity whatsoever.

If the brain is still functioning the visions are usually dismissed as imaginative illusions...like dreams.

Oh sure, whatever you say.

That will never happen to not even one of us atheists.

YOU are not an Athist M*W.

Remember???;)

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M*W: Atheism comes to different people in different ways. There is no requirement of being a theist first. No one said there was. Whatever one's background, it does take a process to get from point A to point B. It takes study or communication with others to refresh one's mindset. I was a believer in god when I came to sciforums, even though I had long determined that Jesus wasn't god. I still believed he existed at that time, but I had a desire to learn all I could about christianity, having been one, and then I woke up to the fact that I had been wrong all along. Even when I was a christian, I had doubts. But instead of feeling guilty over those doubts, I continued to read and learn. It didn't take me long to realize christianity was the evil beast it proselytized against! The followers of the beast were entrapped in its loins. I had to get out. I've never regretted it.

There is no one way to embrace atheism. It is as varied as there are people and personalities. It does require thought and research, sometimes years, sometimes not. Sciforums is the best place to be to acquire this knowledge. I suspect christians come here to preach and convert, but ultimately they may be here because they're curious. That's a good sign. Otherwise, why would christians come here? I think they want to take a walk on the wild side. They're probably curious that we know something they don't. That's true. The likelihood that christians who come to sciforums is greater in that they will eventually become atheists than the atheists that come here would become christians. If christians were truly betrothed to their faith, they wouldn't dare come to sciforums. Maybe they think they will convert us all. That will never happen to not even one of us atheists.


according to wikipedia religious people can be atheists too. like daoists (me) or buddhists.


and i know you have learned alot and studied religion. but i would like to remind you that the holy books dont represent the concept of a god. i know religion has hurt you i understand. i dont mean any dissrespect towards you ever. but maybe you should open your mind up to the idea that a god might exist. you should never count something out without proof.

ofcourse the bible is not all true. and they are stories. wich are most likely mostly made up. but i also think that some parts are true events. like that thing they found recently proving a part of the old testament to be true. i read in the newspaper today that some guy from the old testament was recorded in history. and they found things to prove it.


but yeah anyway dont close your mind completely. because its best to stay in the center of the circle than stray to the left or the right.


peace.

i know religion has hurt you i understand. but maybe you should open your mind up to the idea that a god might exist. you should never count something out without proof.

but yeah anyway dont close your mind completely. because its best to stay in the center of the circle than stray to the left or the right.
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M*W: Actually, religion never "hurt" me, but it did lie to me.

My mind was closed when I was a christian, but now it's open.

I appreciate your thoughts.

Just use you head. By the time a human reaches the age of reason (beginning around the age of 5) and if he were lucky enough to not have outside influences to corrupt him, that child will look up at the sky and wonder why.

He will look at different creratures around him and know full well the meaning of creation. and how does the child discern his surroundings, is he self taught, if we left him alone from five, with nobody to teach him would he conjour up a diety?UNTIL some cynical, jaded creep comes along and beats it out of him. yes that would be the preacher or his parents ( this child needs to be baptised into the fold, least he burn for eternity in hell fire, and damnation.)Sheeple?

How pathetic. All your beliefs were pounded into your head like a spike into a cinder block.exactly and I managed to regain my mind, and revert back to the norm, however I pity the sheeple that still are brainwashed.The universe is infinate....???? oh reallly???
We came from XXXX
We were frogs
We were monkeys
We all walked from Africaroflmao.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMEkCHU2KtA
Give me a break, go suck your thumb and read the texts of your Gods- it is all assumption but your to shallow to see it and too stubborn to admit it.what gods are those.

Does not matter, it is identified by what you would understand. A new born baby would understand it- they are pure, uncurrupted.

A new born baby wouldn't understand the difference between eating rat poison and candy. I wouldn't trust their judgment in that instance, what prompts you to trust in your example?

the word turned is wrong, because, it should be reverted, you can turn into a theist, but it is impossible to turn into an atheist, it is how you are born, you can only revert back to the norm.
it is a gradual process shedding the religion skin you been brainwashed with, It takes years, to revert back.

This is getting borderline ridiculous. You can honestly tell me that after looking up the word "turn" in a dictionary, you would still argue against the phrase "turning into an atheist"? If that's the case, I have no idea how to continue such a debate, it completely boggles my mind.

so what is the difference between an atheist and somebody who doesent believe in god? as you know we are born technically atheist a non-believer, however after being indoctrinated as a child into religion.

too become the atheist I was refering to, takes a lot of years of studying, it's a disgarding of all the beliefs your taught, a shedding of the religious skin so to speak. a skin that once shed is to small a size ever to wear again.
it's an acceptance of the rational over the irrational. the logical over the illogical. reality over fantasy.

so although called atheist, it doesn't have only one meaning, it's akin to being a laymen as opposed to the pope, or the junior school child as opposed to the professor, the apprentice as opposed to the skilled man, a vast difference.

an atheist of the ilk, I'm refering to, has no believe in anything supernatural, mystical etc.. whereas a person who is a non-believer, may have beliefs in other strange unlikely things.

so although called atheist, it doesn't have only one meaning, it's akin to being a laymen as opposed to the pope, or the junior school child as opposed to the professor, the apprentice as opposed to the skilled man, a vast difference.

an atheist of the ilk, I'm refering to, has no believe in anything supernatural, mystical etc.. whereas a person who is a non-believer, may have beliefs in other strange unlikely things.

Those are your own personal trappings that you place on the word atheist. They're certainly not universal.

This is getting borderline ridiculous. You can honestly tell me that after looking up the word "turn" in a dictionary, you would still argue against the phrase "turning into an atheist"? If that's the case, I have no idea how to continue such a debate, it completely boggles my mind.

you can use whatever word/words you wish, and if your mind boggles I'd go see a doctor, "turn" is wrong because "revert" is a far more apt and precise word whereas "turn" has many other connotation's.
Those are your own personal trappings that you place on the word atheist. They're certainly not universal.
then why dont you set up a poll to find out, I would think that most atheists would consider themselves different to non-believers

you can use whatever word/words you wish, and if your mind boggles I'd go see a doctor, "turn" is wrong because "revert" is a far more apt and precise word whereas "turn" has many other connotation's.

Revert being a better word does not make turned wrong, which is my point.

Revert being a better word does not make turned wrong, which is my point.ah but it does, you may have turned into an atheist, but I reverted back to the norm. but then again your not really an atheist are you.
dont answer, I know what your going to say. I've read through most of your posts, you mostly argue against the atheist, you can say you are, but I know better.

ah but it does, you may have turned into an atheist, but I reverted back to the norm. but then again your not really an atheist are you.
dont answer, I know what your going to say. but I've read through most of your posts, you mostly argue against the atheist, you can say you are, but I know better.

If you'd truly paid attention to my posts, I mostly argue against the atheists who feel like stringing attachments to the atheist name, such as yourself. And you will notice that every now and then I mock theists just the same.

In general, I argue against people who I think are wrong, and I don't prejudice on their beliefs when I do that.

You reverted back to the norm = you turned back to the norm. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Oh yes, I probably should have mentioned (again), in response to your claim, that I indeed am an atheist.

I just saw the edit you posted here:

then why dont you set up a poll to find out, I would think that a most atheists would consider themselves different to non-believers

An atheist IS a non believer! Any differences between them are individual differences that are irrelevant to being an atheist. Feel free to set up a poll if you'd like, I'm too lazy to do such a thing to be honest.

An atheist IS a non believer! which is like saying a traffic cop is a lawyer simply because he knows something about the law. or a gravedigger is a mortician simply because knows a little about death.

reference this thread, page 4, post 72.

Oh, come on now. It's the christians who spew their hate and venom. Atheists don't tolerate christians' stupidity. Why is it that you people join predominantly atheistic forums then try to convert everyone. You're wasting your time. You need to join a forum where you belong. There's plenty of them on the Internet.

You don't see us spewing anything but the truth. Yes we defend ourselves from personal attacks, but I don't see any of the Christians going out of their way to personal attack people. And "Christian stupidity" is an oxymoron. We're not trying to convert anyone either. We just tell the truth.

"Religion" will hurt and lie to you. God never will. ;)

Oh, and "If christians were truly betrothed to their faith, they wouldn't dare come to sciforums". Not true. We go where God leads us. ;)

You don't see us spewing anything but the truth.excuse me!
truth and where is the evidence for this truth .Yes we defend ourselves from personal attacks, what personal attacks, attacking the stupidity of religion is not attacking you persoanlly. but I don't see any of the Christians going out of their way to personal attack people. well you dont see athiest personally attacking christians, just religion, in general. but I suppose thats to hard for you to comprehend.
and that was a personal attack on you, because it was directed right at you, it's suggesting your to thick to understand, see the difference.And "Christian stupidity" is an oxymoron. how so, it could only be a oxymoron if stupidity was contradictory with christianity but it isn't. believing in baseless fantasies, is wholly stupid. We're not trying to convert anyone either. We just tell the truth. but you dont it is intellectually dishonest(dare I use the word intellectual around the religious)
to push unsubstantiated rubbish and call it truth.
"Religion" will hurt and lie to you. God never will. ;) have to agree here as, unless your a would be suicide your own fantasies could never harm you.

and how does the child discern his surroundings, is he self taught, if we left him alone from five, with nobody to teach him would he conjour up a diety? ..... however I pity the sheeple that still are brainwashed.roflmao.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMEkCHU2KtAwhat gods are those.

Your just not getting it are you? Religion has humanities fingerprints all over it, no kidding...what a revelation.

YOU are just as brainwashed:

I posted this:

The universe is infinate....???? oh reallly???
We came from XXXX
We were frogs
We were monkeys
We all walked from Africa

and your response is - roflmao, and some lame - pathetic - uncreative Utube video. You don't have any better response. You have been and still are, being lied to. Your crutch is the books you check out of the library like a child reading the latest science fiction novel....why cant you see this?

Evolution is a possibility, but there is absolutely no proof...NONE, no real hard evidence. There are enormous flaws in this theory too, how do you rationalize your unquestioning faith? Like i said the flaws are so obvious that now you are going on faith, you want it all to be true so badly that it is sad. When people mock religion it shows profound ignorance and denial, denial that they themselves are being taken advantage of...lied to, treated like brain dead sheep.

humans all originated in Africa? Well it is just as good as anyplace else. Is that good enough for you?

The universe is expanding, it is infinite?:p - OK.

And i wonder how it can expand and at the same time be infinite. hmmm, why dont you ask some fool for the answer.

All this is fine, we discuss things you cannot know: Darwin did not know them, Dawkins does not know them and now you know as little as they do...but they are YOUR messiahs...

All this would be fine, but to come on here ridiculing religion like an alcoholic preacher is laughable.

and your response is - roflmao, and some lame - pathetic - uncreative Utube video. and what else would you have expected from such an inanely stupid post.
oh I know a god did it response.You don't have any better response. You have been and still are, being lied to. Your crutch is the books you check out of the library like a child reading the latest science fiction novel....why cant you see this?knowledge of the universe, is one that does not require a deity, as belief in a deity is wholly irrational. given the lack of evidence for such a possiblity.
Evolution is a possibility, but there is absolutely no proof...NONE, no real hard evidence. There are enormous flaws in this theory too, how do you rationalize your unquestioning faith?foolish moral, it's not a question of absolute proof, it is a question of it being the most likely, given the evidence we have at the moment, fanastising a god did it scenerio is wholly infantile. Like i said the flaws are so obvious nobody has said there isn't gaps, but given the evidence, it is foolish to go down the road of sky daddies( deities)that now you are going on faith, no not at all just taking the more reasonable stance.you want it all to be true so badly that it is sad.no not at all, see if you can understand this, given the evidence we have at present regardless of any hole, it is the most reasonable course to follow, the alternative being far to absurd. When people mock religion it shows profound ignorance and denial,firstly what are they denying, you need to have a belief in something to deny it, and fantasies aren't things you can believe in, without being ridculed, hence why religions get mocked. denial that they themselves are being taken advantage of...lied to, treated like brain dead sheep.explain how anybody, who allows another to take control, to think for them, to herd them together, should not be regarded as sheeple, I broke away from that servitude, and became my own person, everything I do, I've made the decision to do, I dont need a belief in a deity to do good, I do it because I wish to.
humans all originated in Africa? Well it is just as good as anyplace else. Is that good enough for you? at the moment that is the general consensus, but it may change yet.The universe is expanding, it is infinite?:p - OK. at the moment again it's the general concensus, but it may well change.And i wonder how it can expand and at the same time be infinite. hmmm, why dont you ask some fool for the answer. your guess is as good as mine, they are not finite theories, there just what we think is happening at this moment.All this is fine, we discuss things you cannot know: Darwin did not know them, Dawkins does not know them and now you know as little as they do...but they are YOUR messiahs...I would not say that,no one is my better, we are all equal, what I would say is they know more than I, but they arn't absolutely sure either. such is the nature of science, always the possiblities of change.All this would be fine, but to come on here ridiculing religion like an alcoholic preacher is laughable.stating the facts as they are at present can be seen by the religious as mocking and cant you blame us, when the religious present this cockamamie story of how things happened and expect us to respond without ridiculing them.

GOD

as belief in a deity is wholly irrational. given the lack of evidence for such a possiblity


Evolution=:shrug:

it's not a question of absolute proof, it is a question of it being the most likely, given the evidence we have at the moment, fanastising a god did it scenerio is wholly infantile.

ha ha ha

:bravo:

which is like saying a traffic cop is a lawyer simply because he knows something about the law. or a gravedigger is a mortician simply because knows a little about death.

reference this thread, page 4, post 72.

No, no, no.

It's like saying a traffic cop is a traffic cop, or a lawyer is a lawyer, because that's what those things are! The definition of an atheist is someone who does not believe in god.

An atheist IS a non believer!which is like saying a traffic cop is a lawyer simply because he knows something about the law. or a gravedigger is a mortician simply because knows a little about death.No, no, no.

It's like saying a traffic cop is a traffic cop, or a lawyer is a lawyer, because that's what those things are! The definition of an atheist is someone who does not believe in god.So an atheist is an atheist and a non-believer is a non-believer, so you agree, well.
No, the definition of an atheist is a person who has no belief, without belief in deities. From the Greek {A} without, {Theo’s} god.
An atheist is a person who has taken a reasoned step forward. The non-believer is just, what is name implies. He is still open to suggestion. The atheist is not.

Nah, not really. I never really believed in any gods.

I've always had a thing for animism, though, but that's not theism at all.

How about someone who used to be Catholic, but is now an agnostic who wholly regects the notion of the popular version of the Judeo-Christain version of God?
How would that person vote - the first option, the second, or neither?