i been lissioning to lots on the war and i cant BELIVE the US walked into that trap

how arogant to think that solders arnt going to defend there own country

if you have a little army then lining them up is not a smart way to go and sadam is anything but stupid so how can the Brits and the yanks NOT have anticipated that this is exactly the tactics that would be used

get them in and confident then atack the surplie lines

No.
Let's wait and see what happens before we pass judgement, shall we?
I am not concerned. I will be when Saddam's suvivors launch chemical attacks but I am certained that posibility has been allowed for.

On the other hand, using chemical weapons will draw France into the war, a most pleasant circumstance for Iraq, as whoever is on the French side gets hammered.

:m:,
Tiassa :cool:

Originally posted by SuperFudd
No.
Let's wait and see what happens before we pass judgement, shall we?
I am not concerned. I will be when Saddam's suvivors launch chemical attacks but I am certained that posibility has been allowed for.

i wouldn't worry about it, we got Depleted Uranium tank rounds, we'll knock em down way before they get a chance to use chemical weapons.

Perhaps they have no WMD:)

"woe to him who parks his tank on my lawn"
Dee Cee

this has nothing to do with chemical weapons

i ment that the US has walked into iraq and the army has fallen back so they have pushed harder untill all of a sudden they are getting hit from behind in goriller tactics

i mean if your army is small thats what you do, you hit and run and the US has compleatly fallen for it

brittish millatry officals are agreeing that they are in the shit but the US keeps saying "everything if on secedual"

they were to arogant to expect anyone would fight back and now they are being hit hard

*shakes head*

The Iraqis have managed to stall "the best plan that the pentagon has ever come up with" using simple tactics that for some reason we did not expext.

Todays food hand out by the Red Cresent was a mob scene of people screaming hatred for America. We had expected them to be jubilant over their freedom, yet in our first contact with civialans they saw us as the invader not the liberator.

It appears we did not take into concideration that the Iraqi troops and civialians have been brain washed for the last 20 years. They are a nation of people who fire AK47's into the air to cellebrate a childs birthday party, and it appears that at this point they hate America more than they dislike Saddam.

The Iraqis civilians present with a psycological reaction the military did not expect. That reaction being the same as an abused person staying with the abuser because they know no other life. The reaction is also similiar to a person who is being held hostage eventually identifying with his captor. People in this condition are easily manipulated.

We should have been wary of this scenario, but we looked at Iraq from view point of weapons superiority only.

The big tactical failure by the Pentagon and the Bushi fanatics was made the moment they underestimated the anti-American sentiment in this world. With our super tactical “shock”, it appears that we have shocked our selves instead.

A super powers with the highest weapon technology and best equipped (materially) arm forces, we are claiming that Iraqis are not fighting clean. That’s no fair, they should come into the open with their toothpicks and fight us man-to-man. This is really not fair!

Regardless of our views on rightness over this war, we should not underestimate that Iraq it’s under attack, Iraq its resorting to any possible means to repel this foreign invasion on their soil.
Iraq is probably not doing anything other then any other country attacked by a super power in military terms.
Of cause, the longer Iraqis civilians go without food and water, the more frequent we will see Iraqis dancing and kissing our soldiers at the sight of humanitarian relief. It is just natural, but should not be misinterpreted as accepting a foreign occupation. So far we have learned that the Iraqis dislike the foreign presences more then their own regime.

And there’s nothing weird about “They are a nation of people who fire AK47's into the air to cellebrate a childs birthday party”. If you studied Arab cultures, you find that sort of things in many Arab lands.

As macabre as a war is, this is beginning to be comical !!

3rd Infantry troops wonder
if their missing laundry is being worn by their foes

Soldiers in the U.S. 3rd Infantry moving north toward Baghdad say they believe they have been attacked by Iraqis wearing American uniforms. And they say they’re worried that some of the uniforms were stolen several weeks ago while the U.S. troops were in Kuwait.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/890988_asp.htm

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by justiceusa
Todays food hand out by the Red Cresent was a mob scene of people screaming hatred for America. We had expected them to be jubilant over their freedom, yet in our first contact with civialans they saw us as the invader not the liberator.

It appears we did not take into concideration that the Iraqi troops and civialians have been brain washed for the last 20 years. They are a nation of people who fire AK47's into the air to cellebrate a childs birthday party, and it appears that at this point they hate America more than they dislike Saddam.

The Iraqis civilians present with a psycological reaction the military did not expect. That reaction being the same as an abused person staying with the abuser because they know no other life. The reaction is also similiar to a person who is being held hostage eventually identifying with his captor. People in this condition are easily manipulated.

We should have been wary of this scenario, but we looked at Iraq from view point of weapons superiority only.

EXACTLY, thank you for your perspecacity and catching that. Brain-washing.

We ALL KNOW that democracy is the best form of government for the people, which will be by the people.

We ALL KNOW, that Sadam has been doing a massively POOR job with Iraq's economy.

We ALL KNOW and agree, that Sadam is a crazy bastard, he deserves to die and if we let a madman like him stay in power, they will be potential problems.

NK brainwashes their people. Let's say the US tries to liberate NK and the civilians don't want it and scream for their "God" and long live their president.

Of course, the idiot would say, "Look at these people, they don't like the US and they don't want to be liberated!"

The sharp person would immediately see exactly why such people act that way. Political socialization plays a HUGE role in what a person believes in.

North Koreans think the Americans are beggars on the street and baby-killers, whatever propaganda is fed to them. Of course that is the best type of information they are receiving, what else can they compare that to? Do they have CNN?

Hell no, so logically they will believe what is fed to them, just as a baby will eat what it is fed.

Do you think this happens in Iraq? Hell yes, control the media, control how most of the country will think.

...and this guy is accusing THEM of being brain washed narrow minded?......
Do half of you even know how isolanisnt, ignorant and full of propoganda the majority of American press is?? geeze.

In the US we will eventually have to come to terms with the fact that you can not learn world history, geography and world politics by watching CNN, FoxNews, CNBC, etc..
Until that time comes, the Media is our own homemade encyclopedia! OK.

It took the war in Afghanistan for the greater population to know that there was a country by that name!

:rolleyes:

But for all that many have no idea what happened over there or what its like now, they just assume hey we went in, blew some shit up and now its fixed.
Dont get me wrong im sure a lot of people in here have a better understanding but...
Also when the President of the USA who is responsable for the geo=polotics of the worlds largest and most millitary nation says "Britain? thats on the east coast somewhere isnt it?" you have to worry just a tad about said country.

Originally posted by Microzoft
In the US we will eventually have to come to terms with the fact that you can not learn world history, geography and world politics by watching CNN, FoxNews, CNBC, etc..
Until that time comes, the Media is our own homemade encyclopedia! OK.

It took the war in Afghanistan for the greater population to know that there was a country by that name!

:rolleyes:


i agree that it is sad that people don't know enough in this country, but i totally disagree that "CNN, Foxnews, CNBC, etc. is our homemade encyclopedia". there are so many resources available, especially if you have internet access. i think it's pretty obvious that people are too confident in our government that they find doing research on political issues needless, which is just beyond me. most people i know won't debate the depleted uranium issue with me, nor the school of the americas issue, nor any issue involving U.S. terrorism. it's as if the U.S. has some sort of clean slate as soon as Bush makes some patriotic speech about taking down evildoers. people don't really have minds of their own here either.

thus Iraq is kinda like a giant American ghetto, when it comes down to it.

THAT is what is sad to me.

We ALL KNOW that democracy is the best form of government for the people, which will be by the people.

How, exactly, do we ALL KNOW that?
Prove it to me.

Freedom? We don't need your fucking freedom!
Dee Cee

Originally posted by DeeCee
How, exactly, do we ALL KNOW that?
Prove it to me.

Freedom? We don't need your fucking freedom!
Dee Cee

no, i agree, democracy is probably the best form of government, but not with an electoral college and what not. we don't need that shit. we should just rule our own communities and not let the hierarchy of power go beyond that.

I love it when armchair generals think that this thing isn't going extremely well. In fact, it is. Within five days the coalition forces advanced a distance equal to that between the beaches of Normandy and the Belgian border.

This is going very well thus far.

These "goriller" units are sparse and sporadic, and they do not inflict significant damage on our supply lines. They are also being eradicated by USMC S&D patrols and roving air cover. Have patience people.

We're taking the head off an entire nation while leaving its population relatively untouched. That's not small beans. This thing will be tough, but it will succeed and drastically so.

Originally posted by Stokes Pennwalt
I love it when armchair generals think that this thing isn't going extremely well. In fact, it is. Within five days the coalition forces advanced a distance equal to that between the beaches of Normandy and the Belgian border.

This is going very well thus far.

These "goriller" units are sparse and sporadic, and they do not inflict significant damage on our supply lines. They are also being eradicated by USMC S&D patrols and roving air cover. Have patience people.

We're taking the head off an entire nation while leaving its population relatively untouched. That's not small beans. This thing will be tough, but it will succeed and drastically so.

i'm anti-war, just for the record. therefore, i am extremely impatient at this time regarding the end of this war.

In just 12 replies we have somehow managed to mutate the topic, which I origainally interpreted to be, "what possible mistakes are we making in Iraq by not trying to understand the mind set of the Iraqi people," to "What is right or wrong about democracy."

About the new topic , I will only state a quote made by "BUBBA" Clinton, "There is nothing wrong about America that cannot be fixed by what is right about America."

If you are overwhelmingly for or against something, let your elected officials know about your feelings. They all have post office and e-mail addresses.

A miracle just happend whilst I was typing my last post. Someone returned to the Topic.

Whatever the long term outcome of this war turns out to be , it will depend more on the actions of the Iraqi people than on military force.

Bush and Blair only this morning backed away from democratising and rebuilding iraq, to just , eliminating Saddam and liberating Iraq.

We went into iraq with too few troops to do the job because the invasion was planned by pentagon civilians. (General MCafree).

Basically I too am against this war. Now that American troops are engaged in combat my allegiance is with the soldiers, but not with the politicians who put them there.

Antiwar activist must face the fact that we simply can not pull out 300,000 men from an active combat zone without suffering unacceptabe losses. (not that Bush is about to do that) I only hope that those against the war will show up at the polls in the next presidential election, as it appears they stayed at home during the last one