why are you against universal healthcare?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sifreak21, Feb 10, 2010.

  1. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    i dont see the problem with it at all, i think its a good think why is it bad? i just want to hear peoples opinions on it the only people that are complaining that i can see are the employed healthy people
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    Why are you against total government control?

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  5. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    instead of the goverment controlling it right now the companies are whats the difference?
     
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  7. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Having more choices is not control. Most of the Western societies (I know, news for you) have government subsidized health care. Why should the US be the only one without it?
     
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  8. sweet Pentax Registered Senior Member

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    what has healthcare to do with nationalism? if somebody can´t pay for healthcare, the goverment will help. you surely don´t think, that those who can´t afford it, just should die ... do you?
     
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  9. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    agreed sweet and even if your middleclass or even upper if you dont have healthcare and something major happens to you your looking at medical bills up in the 6 digits
     
  10. sweet Pentax Registered Senior Member

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    indeed, few people can afford cancer and such.
     
  11. draqon Banned Banned

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    The way goods and services in US have become part of a competition, is not through government. In the U.S., competition has come from the private sector competing for the dollar of value-seeking consumers. And that private-sector competition has promoted innovation, meanwhile that innovation has benefited Americans with better and cheaper products and services.

    So this whole government run deal will just hold any competition and providing quality care to Americans.
     
  12. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    as far as i know that isnt "most" its ALL except for the US. Furthermore its not even just the first world who have UHC, even some of the third world like cuba do as well
     
  13. draqon Banned Banned

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    and A.M.A agrees with me.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/us/politics/11health.html
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I sort of enjoyed reading this:

    http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/rnr/1574293261.html
     
  15. draqon Banned Banned

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    UNIVERSAL CUBAN HEALTHCARE


    was that bold in enough letters?

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    sounds solid Gold healthcare for all those people in Cuba, real quality.

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  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH

    Oh god, of COURSE the AMA agrees with you. They are a lobby group for christ sake. Why the hell do you think the Australian MA was so against "Job subsitution" which was recomended in the intergenerational health review? Because it would take jobs away from DOCTORS and give them to the other proffessions who would probably do a better job in a lot of areas than the doctors are

    Note: Job subsitution means moving other health services into the front line. For instance:

    -Psycologists would be seeing pts for psycological problems without ever seeing a GP
    -Nurse practitioners (very senor nurses who have done aditional study) would be running clinics equivlant to GP clinics and treating people for minor bacterial infections ect
    -Midwives would take on primary responcability for low risk pregancies including ordering pain relief and ultrasounds ect without the pt ever needing an obstrition
    -Paramedic practioners would take over running emergency rooms and push doctors back to treating the more serious cases after paramedic assesments
    -Phsio's would be ordering there own imaging (x-rays and the like) and treating without the pt ever needing to see a doctor

    Further more why is it that the AMA shot down a goverment plan to alow nurses, pharmisits and psycologists to write "medical certificates" without the need to see a GP when it can take up to 3 or more DAYS to get into see a GP?

    The answer to both is THEY WOULD LOSE MONEY AND POWER
     
  17. draqon Banned Banned

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    and government will gain money and power as a result. no change in healthcare.
     
  18. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Ever herd of the "Getto Ambulances" in the US?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4U-ez-bk7Q
     
  19. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    including two of the most pro business states taiwan and switzerland.
     
  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Adding a public option would increase competition. Why are the insurance companies afraid of it?
     
  21. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    because than they would have to compete rather than dicatating who lives and who dies with their hyper inflated prices.
     
  22. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    so i take it if u had diabetes u could pay for inculin without healthcare?
     
  23. sweet Pentax Registered Senior Member

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    i have no idea what it would cost ... but i´m sure that i could actually not even afford a broken leg, if i would have to pay for it

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