I think blacks are dumb...

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by S.A.M., Nov 4, 2009.

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Science shows that blacks are dumb

  1. Yes

    30.4%
  2. No

    60.9%
  3. Don't know/no opinion/don't want to give my opinion

    30.4%
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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    ...because there is a high correlation between low IQ and blackness.

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    Is this a scientifically accurate statement?

    Do the scientists, rationalists and philosophers here agree with it?
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    is this a suicide thread?

    it was nice knowing you SAM.
     
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  5. superstring01 Moderator

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    I voted for both. It's biologically possible that a race is inferior, maybe even likely, but testing a culture that has been handicapped by centuries of mistreatment may not be accurate until all of those people have had access to all the same opportunities as--say--whites.

    Then again, I could be wrong. In the end, even if those of African descent have lower IQ's, they are still human beings. We don't really, or should not really, form a society that judges human worth by how smart individuals are, even if a majority of individuals within a specific race are not as bright as everybody else.

    My younger sister is as dumb as a box of rocks. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. She's kind. Helpful. Will give you a kidney if you needed it, but she's not to bright. But she's still a human being. Intelligence is not the ultimate decider of human worth.

    Thankfully.

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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Possibly. It has been determined to be counter productive to insist that people think on this pscience forum.
     
  8. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    If the definition of "dumb" here is defined only by Low IQ, then...yes. I'm waiting for a correlation chart of IQ and intelligence myself

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  9. superstring01 Moderator

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    Much less yourself, SAM!

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  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    This statement has been widely criticised on a number of different grounds.

    A good read on the topic is the late Stephen J. Gould's excellent book The Mismeasure of Man.

    To answer the question: some people think science proves that black people have lower IQs than white people. Others think the IQ score differences are accurate but not a real reflection of generalised intelligence. Others think the science of IQ and race is dodgy and biased so that the results come out the way they do.

    There's also a comprehensive discussion on race and IQ on wikipedia.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I think blacks are dumb because there is a high correlation between low IQ and blackness.

    Is this statement supported by science? Is it accurate?
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It's supported by science only if science can somehow prove that that's what you think. So, unlikely.
     
  13. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    It is supported by bad science.
    IQ-tests are culturally biased.
    Why is this in Free Thoughts?
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Is there scientific evidence for that? Has correction for cultural bias given dramatically different results?
     
  15. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I just glanced over multiple articles on the subject. Here is one:
    http://www.testresearch.nl/sonro/braz.html

    Could you answer my question from the other post? I think this sooner belongs in Human Sciences than here.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Who are the blacks in that study? The Brazilians?

    Uh no, this is not a scientific discussion. As you can see, no one is willing to remark on the evidence presented, but are going with their beliefs.
     
  17. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    It's about cultural bias in IQ-tests..

    The topic, SAM. Anyway, it's fine by me (for the time being).
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Do blacks and whites in the same society have a different culture? You showed me a study between Brazilians and Dutch. Not between blacks and whites in the same culture with equivalent results.
     
  19. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think you read the article too well..

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  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Er no I did not. I want to see a graph comparing blacks and whites in the same society with different results from the OP.
     
  21. superstring01 Moderator

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    I am. It's probably true. Black people, on the whole, have lower IQ's based upon the measurements of the test. My response is, so what? Is there a direct correlation between high IQ and empathy? Success? Dedication? Morality?

    Taken on the whole, an IQ test isn't usually the way we measure a person's worth. So, if an entire segment of the planet's population is measurably less intelligent than the rest, this really doesn't state anything other than. . . a segment of the population is less intelligent than the global average.

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  22. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Is this about blacks per se? Why?
    I showed you an article that explains cultural bias of IQ-tests.
    The groups involved were "immigrant children in the Netherlands (mainly children from Morocco, Turkey, Suriname and the Dutch Antilles)".. :shrug:
     
  23. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed!
     
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