Obama Calls for Punching Back

[Buffalo Roam]

Obama calls out the Union Sturmabteilung into the street, and Violence breaks out at Town Hall Meetings.

http://www.presidencynews.com/white-house/white-house-advises-democrats-on-handling-protests-promises-full-support

White House advises Democrats on handling protests, promises full support
Presidency News - Thursday, 6 August 2009No CommentWhite House advises Dems on health care protests WASHINGTON ? Top White House officials counseled Democratic senators Thursday on coping with disruptions at public events on health care this summer, officials said, and promised the party and allies would respond with twice the force if any individual lawmaker is criticized in television advertising. These officials also told [...]

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White House advises Democrats on handling protests, promises full support

Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar August 7th, 2009 White House advises Dems on health care protests

WASHINGTON — Top White House officials counseled Democratic senators Thursday on coping with disruptions at public events on health care this summer, officials said, and promised the party and allies would respond with twice the force if any individual lawmaker is criticized in television advertising.

And the Democrat Union Thuggery gins up;

Also Thursday, the AFL-CIO announced plans to mobilize labor activists to attend town hall meetings in 50 congressional districts this month to counter the conservative protesters.

On Day White House Advocates "Punching Back Twice As Hard" on Heretofore Peaceful Protestors, Violence Breaks Out At Townhall

[spidergoat]

Good. Your brownshirts started the phoney outrage. We need activists to counter the bullshit.

[joepistole]

Only in your fantasies Buffalo Roam. The real story is that some trade unions wanted to show up at the town hall meetings to ensure that the other side was represented to counter the ditto head moves to stack the meetings.

The White House has been against such moves in the past and remains steadfast in that position today as the last thing the administration wants is for violence to errupt involving any member of the Democratic Party. Obama is smart enough to let the whackos do the stupid things. President Obama and the Democrats just want everyone to know who and what these whackos are...that alone will be their undoing.

[quantum_wave]

Saul Alinsky pure and simple.

[Buffalo Roam]

Obama and his thugs won't tolerate opposition of any kind so last night in Florida, they started sending in the Sturmabteilung, from the SEIU. (Service Employees International Union, other unions and Organizing for America, a liberal group that grew out of the Obama presidential campaign.)

Packed the meeting, and denying the People the Right to question their Elected Representatives, and express their opposition to the destruction of their Health care.

[Buffalo Roam]

Only in your fantasies Buffalo Roam. The real story is that some trade unions wanted to show up at the town hall meetings to ensure that the other side was represented to counter the ditto head moves to stack the meetings.

The White House has been against such moves in the past and remains steadfast in that position today as the last thing the administration wants is for violence to errupt involving any member of the Democratic Party. Obama is smart enough to let the whackos do the stupid things. President Obama and the Democrats just want everyone to know who and what these whackos are...that alone will be their undoing.

Thank you joe, Trade Unions, not the People Trade Unions, right, Democrat Sturmabteilung, from the SEIU.

(Service Employees International Union, other unions and Organizing for America, a liberal group that grew out of the Obama presidential campaign.)

[joepistole]

Thank you joe, Trade Unions, not the People Trade Unions, right, Democrat Sturmabteilung, from the SEIU.

So you admit you lied in th OP.

[spidergoat]

Unions do represent the people. And the people do not have adequate health care now, so what's with the BS about taking away their health care? I'm so sick of this shit. Democrats fucked up by not passing SINGLE PAYER health care for all when they had the chance. We will drag you bastards kicking and screaming into the 21st century wether you like it or not.

[nirakar]

Forces unhappy with the current medical insurance industry in the USA will never nearly the amount of money that the insurance industry has with which to wage political and public relations warfare on the future of medical insurance in the USA.

Democrats can talk tough to placate the left flank of their voting coalition but haven't we learned by now that when push comes to shove Democratic politicians are sniveling cowards too terrified that the corporations will fund successful Republican efforts do make the Democrats look bad to the public if the Democrats ever do anything that actually hurts powerful corporations?

Good luck to the Obama administration in trying to find some way to improve the US health care mess that neither hurts any major segment of the established corporations nor hurts any major segment of the American population. I don't think it can be done.

[Buffalo Roam]

So you admit you lied in th OP.

http://www.ghostofaflea.com/archives/FascistDNC.jpg

[joepistole]

It is good of you to admit your lie Buffalo Roam. You know full well Obama did not call upon any one of the left or the Dems to show up at the town halls as he has stated on numerous times he does not want violence. This by the way is the traditional approach to violence and agression organized as sponsored by Republicans...see Brooks Brother Riots (Republican staffers rioting in 2000 in Dade County).

I think your Nazi symbolism suits you and your fellow "grass rooters"".

[Buffalo Roam]

It is good of you to admit your lie Buffalo Roam. You know full well Obama did not call upon any one of the left or the Dems to show up at the town halls as he has stated on numerous times he does not want violence. This by the way is the traditional approach to violence and agression organized as sponsored by Republicans...see Brooks Brother Riots (Republican staffers rioting in 2000 in Dade County).

I think your Nazi symbolism suits you and your fellow "grass rooters"".

Really, and who runs the White House? Who sent out His staff minions (Senior White House adviser David Axelrod and deputy chief of staff Jim Messina) to make the call for:


White House to Democrats: 'Punch back twice as hard'

Not one word of that whole thing wasn't approved by Obama, and it was stated in exactly those word for the desired effect.

And who put that call in the news----Liberal News Media----and----

Seiu show up at the town halls and for the first time Violence breaks out, yes joe who is following the templete of Nazisim and Hitler?

The First Amendment guarantees us the rights of Free Speech, and to question and confront our elected officials over issues.

joe, the Constitution is the People Right, and it gives us the right to confront our government when it is wrong, and the Obama and Democrats are wrong.

[superstring01]

Mod Note: Okay people. Enough with the silly little "It's not fascism when we do it..." poster. In the past two weeks I've seen both versions on a number of occasions. Buffalo, if you have a valid point to make, just make it. Recycling the poster over and over again gets a little trite.

[Norsefire]

Unions do represent the people. And the people do not have adequate health care now, so what's with the BS about taking away their health care? I'm so sick of this shit. Democrats fucked up by not passing SINGLE PAYER health care for all when they had the chance. We will drag you bastards kicking and screaming into the 21st century wether you like it or not.

Isn't that what the Rightwingers are trying to do? 'Cause I sure as hell don't think anything the dems propose is "civilized"

[John T. Galt]

http://www.ghostofaflea.com/archives/FascistDNC.jpg

That is such a hilarious poster.

It does remind one of how the George Walker Bush years were extenuated with cries of nazism, fascism, etc. and rightfully so. Bush did promote soft fascism, even if it was not intended.

However now that Barack Hussein Obama has understood that the best method of transforming the nation into communism is to move left of capitalism by carrying the Bush soft fascism into a harder form of fascism. Why it simply isn't so. We can't be fascist because that is a right wing authoritarian practice.

This is correct, but not right of capitalism. Instead, right of socialism, and there is a difference between being right of socialism and right of capitalism. One is an infant stage towards socialism the other is in the direction of more individual freedom.

Unfortunately, many are so blinded by partisan politics that the ultimate payday will be disastrous to our freedoms and liberty.

How we have gotten here is very simple, but it was very complex in its nature. I don't care to share much, but I will say that a large part of it began with the revisionist history crowd.

To sum up for those who refuse to read the contents and claim there is no point.

1. Bush was a proponent of soft fascism, but
2. Obama is pushing to harden it
3. Fascism to the right of socialism, but not capitalism
4. Partisan politics blinding Americans
5. History behind all of this starts with revisionist history crowd.

[pjdude1219]

Obama is not moving us toward fascism.

[John T. Galt]

Obama is not moving us toward fascism.

Awesome comeback.

Care to explain why?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Now go on with your day of reporting people because you can't stomach being opposed.

Summary points
1. Truly not much of a comeback was being facetious
2. Asking for a better response
3. Knowing it won't come,
4. Asked poster to return to usual activities

[joepistole]

I find it odd the people supporting the administration and the policies that took away our civil liberties, making ok to throw someone into jail and letting them rot without trial, merely on the whimp of government, are now claiming that the current administration which reversed those policies as fascist.

I think maybe these folks need to go back to school to learn about fascism. Given how those on the right Galt, Buffalo Roam, use the term one has to wonder if they understand the meaning of the term or perhaps this is a part of the right wings effort to find new meanings for old words.

[Buffalo Roam]

I find it odd the people supporting the administration and the policies that took away our civil liberties, making ok to throw someone into jail and letting them rot without trial, merely on the whimp of government, are now claiming that the current administration which reversed those policies as fascist.

I think maybe these folks need to go back to school to learn about fascism. Given how those on the right Galt, Buffalo Roam, use the term one has to wonder if they understand the meaning of the term or perhaps this is a part of the right wings effort to find new meanings for old words.

joe, yes, go back to school.

joe if you want to see a absolute loss of rights, and civil liberties, go to the Cap and Trade Bill, passed by the Democrats ands signed by Obama, they are now going to control your thermostat, and your choice of light bulbs, what you can drive for a car, and even what type of Grill you can use for your BBQ, and guess what is in the UHC Bill, the same, only now they will tell you when to die, in buerospeek, but then what is denyal of care because they decide it is to expensive? T-4 "Lebensunwertes Leben"

There will be no competition, why? Because the Government doesn't have to compete.

The Government doesn't have to make a profit to stay in the Business of Heath Care, if it loses money all it has to do is print more and raise taxes, so were is the competition?

Private Health Care will be dead in less than a decade if the current UHC is implimented.

Exactly as Obama wishs, from his own words, caught on Video, and as He stated 5-10-15 this is what the plan and policy is set to accomplish.

Do you know that in Great Britain the public heath care system it the 3 largest employer in the world, and it is not getting the job done.

http://www.aarp.org/community/groups/displayTopic.bt?pageNum=1&groupId=1162&topicId=3101132

By Mark Rice-Oxley | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
from the October 19, 2007 edition London - On the eve of his election victory in 1997, Tony Blair famously declared that Britain had 24 hours to save its derelict National Health Service. So it is acutely awkward for his successor, Gordon Brown , that, 10 years on, his government is scrambling to fend off accusations of crisis in the NHS following a damning report about hospital infections that critics say is symptomatic of a wider malaise in British healthcare. Health Secretary Alan Johnson was forced to apologize in Parliament this week after it emerged that at least 90 patients in southeast England died as a result of infections picked up in the hospital. The Healthcare Commission, a national watchdog, blamed safety lapses and overcrowding. It painted a bleak picture of teeming wards where overworked nurses didn't even help patients to the bathroom.
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Labour has made much of its bid to "rescue" the NHS. It has presided over a kind of permanent revolution, recruiting tens of thousands of doctors and nurses (many from overseas , leading to charges of inadequate domestic training), building hospitals with the private sector, revamping hospital funding, and encouraging competition. It has also spent money: The NHS bill is to rise from £35 billion in 1998 to £110 billion (about $224 billion) by 2011.
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Surveys and comments indicate that morale at NHS – with 1.4 million staff, the third-largest employer in the world – is low. Doctors are furious at new recruitment and promotion rules. GPs are nervous about plans to open surgeries on weekends. Nurses rail against low pay.

[Ganymede]

Holding up Monkey dolls, birther signs, and Swastikas doesn't equate to rational
opposition. On another note. Could you imagine if it were a bunch of Black people pushing and shoving, punching and kicking, and shouting down elected officials at these town halls? They would be swiftly arrested and prosecuted and Town halls will return to being pre-screened like they were during the Bush years.

[Ganymede]

joe, yes, go back to school.

joe if you want to see a absolute loss of rights, and civil liberties, go to the Cap and Trade Bill, passed by the Democrats ands signed by Obama, they are now going to control your thermostat, and your choice of light bulbs, what you can drive for a car, and even what type of Grill you can use for your BBQ, and guess what is in the UHC Bill, the same, only now they will tell you when to die, in buerospeek, but then what is denyal of care because they decide it is to expensive? T-4 "Lebensunwertes Leben"

There will be no competition, why? Because the Government doesn't have to compete.

The Government doesn't have to make a profit to stay in the Business of Heath Care, if it loses money all it has to do is print more and raise taxes, so were is the competition?

Private Health Care will be dead in less than a decade if the current UHC is implimented.

Exactly as Obama wishs, from his own words, caught on Video, and as He stated 5-10-15 this is what the plan and policy is set to accomplish.

Do you know that in Great Britain the public heath care system it the 3 largest employer in the world, and it is not getting the job done.

http://www.aarp.org/community/groups/displayTopic.bt?pageNum=1&groupId=1162&topicId=3101132

By Mark Rice-Oxley | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
from the October 19, 2007 edition London - On the eve of his election victory in 1997, Tony Blair famously declared that Britain had 24 hours to save its derelict National Health Service. So it is acutely awkward for his successor, Gordon Brown , that, 10 years on, his government is scrambling to fend off accusations of crisis in the NHS following a damning report about hospital infections that critics say is symptomatic of a wider malaise in British healthcare. Health Secretary Alan Johnson was forced to apologize in Parliament this week after it emerged that at least 90 patients in southeast England died as a result of infections picked up in the hospital. The Healthcare Commission, a national watchdog, blamed safety lapses and overcrowding. It painted a bleak picture of teeming wards where overworked nurses didn't even help patients to the bathroom.
-----------------------------

Labour has made much of its bid to "rescue" the NHS. It has presided over a kind of permanent revolution, recruiting tens of thousands of doctors and nurses (many from overseas , leading to charges of inadequate domestic training), building hospitals with the private sector, revamping hospital funding, and encouraging competition. It has also spent money: The NHS bill is to rise from £35 billion in 1998 to £110 billion (about $224 billion) by 2011.
----------------------
Surveys and comments indicate that morale at NHS – with 1.4 million staff, the third-largest employer in the world – is low. Doctors are furious at new recruitment and promotion rules. GPs are nervous about plans to open surgeries on weekends. Nurses rail against low pay.

The Government does have to compete. People will have a choice between public and private. And if the public outrage is as bad as you proclaim it to be, then no one will go on the public option.

[John99]

Ganymede: Could you imagine if it were a bunch of Black people pushing and shoving, punching and kicking, and shouting down elected officials at these town halls

people punching and kicking are not prosecuted? at least try and be honest Ganymede.

[Ganymede]

people punching and kicking are not prosecuted? at least try and be honest Ganymede.

A vast majority of them are not. It's been the same manufactured mob scene at every town hall event. And not enough arrests.

[John99]

A vast majority of them are not. It's been the same manufactured mob scene at every town hall event. And not enough arrests.

People protest all the time, usually it is people who call themselves liberal but i dont see why the majority of them (including many here) call themselves liberal. They are more like the opposite of liberal.

[pjdude1219]

Awesome comeback.

Care to explain why? because what he is doing and proposing aren't in line with what fascists do.


Yeah, that's what I thought. That's the problem you didn't.


Now go on with your day of reporting people because you can't stomach being opposed. I can stomach being opposed I can't stomach being attacked personal for my beliefs.


Summary points
1. Truly not much of a comeback was being facetious
2. Asking for a better response
3. Knowing it won't come,
4. Asked poster to return to usual activities
Nice yet another righty trolling that won't have shit done to him.

[pjdude1219]

all Obama is saying that those of us fighting for the people(the people for a public option and Universal health care) need to punch back with facts and not let these false hoods get traction.

[superstring01]

Holding up Monkey dolls, birther signs, and Swastikas doesn't equate to rational
opposition. On another note. Could you imagine if it were a bunch of Black people pushing and shoving, punching and kicking, and shouting down elected officials at these town halls? They would be swiftly arrested and prosecuted and Town halls will return to being pre-screened like they were during the Bush years.

So, it's a race issue then.

And who was punching and kicking?

~String

[Michael]

I still don't understand why many States, take Japan for example or France or Germany or AU or NZ or England can afford to offer better healthcare at a lower cost to all citizens yet in the USA we are f*cked?

I have a mate lost his kidney, had a transplant and can not get health care and can not get insulin. he will simply die. the only reason he lives is because he gets "FREE HEALTH CARE" from a Pharmaceutical scheme that gives free Insulin to people who do not have health care IF they can get some doctors to say yes, this man will die if you do not give it to him for free. He can not get a job because he is sick and can not get insured. he just gets worse every day. IF he goes to emergency he will be given medicine - how many times a day would that be? 3 actually.

Simply put it's a fucking stupid system. And if BR doens't think he's paying for my mate one way or another he's an idiot. The ONLY WAY you will not pay for my mate is IF he dies. Then yes, no more insulin. Is THAT the society we're building? Mighty Xian of you there BR.

[Buffalo Roam]

I still don't understand why many States, take Japan for example or France or Germany or AU or NZ or England can afford to offer better healthcare at a lower cost to all citizens yet in the USA we are f*cked?

I have a mate lost his kidney, had a transplant and can not get health care and can not get insulin. he will simply die. the only reason he lives is because he gets "FREE HEALTH CARE" from a Pharmaceutical scheme that gives free Insulin to people who do not have health care IF they can get some doctors to say yes, this man will die if you do not give it to him for free. He can not get a job because he is sick and can not get insured. he just gets worse every day. IF he goes to emergency he will be given medicine - how many times a day would that be? 3 actually.

Simply put it's a fucking stupid system. And if BR doens't think he's paying for my mate one way or another he's an idiot. The ONLY WAY you will not pay for my mate is IF he dies. Then yes, no more insulin. Is THAT the society we're building? Mighty Xian of you there BR.


He gets "FREE HEALTH CARE" from a Pharmaceutical scheme (not a scheme but free health care) that gives free Insulin to people who do not have health care IF they can get some doctors to say yes, this man will die if you do not give it to him for free.

He is being taken care of, and it is not costing Him one red cent, so what the hell are you bitching about?

You have just shown that the Pharmaceutical Companies do care and do help those who need the care, and all with out the Government interfering.

You now have shot a big hole in your foot and you put it there.


Yes, why don't you set up a insurance company, and take everyone no matter the preexisting condition, when they get sick and want care.

What are you going to charge them to insure them with preexisting?

What they can afford? $100...$200.....$50.... a month.

Now what happens when they go to the Hospital for Treatment? and the Bill is $100,000 dollars?

They have been on in your plan for 6 months at $200 dollars a month, and you have a grand total of $1200 dollars in premium, they get the necessary treatment and now are well, you are now $9800 in the hole, and they drop the coverage, now just how long are you going to be in business?

[spidergoat]

Thank you for making our points for us. The failure of the profit motive to provide adequate care is the reason we need public coverage.

[joepistole]

He gets "FREE HEALTH CARE" from a Pharmaceutical scheme (not a scheme but free health care) that gives free Insulin to people who do not have health care IF they can get some doctors to say yes, this man will die if you do not give it to him for free.

He is being taken care of, and it is not costing Him one red cent, so what the hell are you bitching about?

You have just shown that the Pharmaceutical Companies do care and do help those who need the care, and all with out the Government interfering.

You now have shot a big hole in your foot and you put it there.

Yes, why don't you set up a insurance company, and take everyone no matter the preexisting condition, when they get sick and want care.

What are you going to charge them to insure them with preexisting?

What they can afford? $100...$200.....$50.... a month.

Now what happens when they go to the Hospital for Treatment? and the Bill is $100,000 dollars?

They have been on in your plan for 6 months at $200 dollars a month, and you have a grand total of $1200 dollars in premium, they get the necessary treatment and now are well, you are now $9800 in the hole, and they drop the coverage, now just how long are you going to be in business?

First, this man is dependent on the charity of a corporation. I would not feel to comfortable depending on the charity of a corporation if I were him. Because if the Republicans and their big pharma backers should succeed in ditching healthcare reform, there would be no need or incentive for drug companies to provide free medicine. Drug companies only started to offer free drugs when people started talking healthcare reform and it will only last as long as people are talking about healthcare reform.

Second, this is about cost reduction. And giving a few people free medicine is not going to help drive down overall cost or improve overall quality in the US healthcare system.

Third, there is this thing called the Law of Large Numbers. In view of this the insurance example you cited is absurd.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/gimanual/GIM1130.htm

[Michael]

He gets "FREE HEALTH CARE" from a Pharmaceutical scheme (not a scheme but free health care) that gives free Insulin to people who do not have health care IF they can get some doctors to say yes, this man will die if you do not give it to him for free.

He is being taken care of, and it is not costing Him one red cent, so what the hell are you bitching about?

You have just shown that the Pharmaceutical Companies do care and do help those who need the care, and all with out the Government interfering.

You now have shot a big hole in your foot and you put it there.


Yes, why don't you set up a insurance company, and take everyone no matter the preexisting condition, when they get sick and want care.

What are you going to charge them to insure them with preexisting?

What they can afford? $100...$200.....$50.... a month.

Now what happens when they go to the Hospital for Treatment? and the Bill is $100,000 dollars?

They have been on in your plan for 6 months at $200 dollars a month, and you have a grand total of $1200 dollars in premium, they get the necessary treatment and now are well, you are now $9800 in the hole, and they drop the coverage, now just how long are you going to be in business?OK, this is the thing BR, he can not get a job with his health issues. He must remain jobless to continue to get the free insulin. This means we have in effect taken an American OUT of the workforce. :bugeye: That's just asinine. He is getting the insulin but not working. Wouldn't it be MUCH better if her were getting the insulin AND COULD WORD???

The system is screwed up in the USA.

He's suing the State of MI because he needs healthcare and they are defendants in the case. Now this is more money being flushed into the toilet. They already know they are going to loss. BUT, as it was told to him (by doctors who have seen this all too many times) the State figures if they play it out, he might die, and that's much cheaper than paying for the 5 years of lawsuits.

All the while he does not work, goes in debt, and still hopes to get insulin. IF the companies STOP giving him insulin, then he dies, because it's not possible to LIVE in the ER. Which is what you would have to do. You'd have to hoover around the ER, admit yourself, get a shot, then hoover again. He needs 3 shots a day. Does this not strike you as a HUGE WASTE of resources BR?!?!


face it, the system is f*cked.

It's just asinine.


I used to teach at Medical School, I KNOW exactly what's wrong with the system and because of money and greed it's f*cked from the bottom up. I will take a lot of Americans dieing before anything is done. And it's all a scam. the AMA ensure that we pay through the nose.

[joepistole]

OK, this is the thing BR, he can not get a job with his health issues. He must remain jobless to continue to get the free insulin. This means we have in effect taken an American OUT of the workforce. :bugeye: That's just asinine. He is getting the insulin but not working. Wouldn't it be MUCH better if her were getting the insulin AND COULD WORD???

The system is screwed up in the USA.

He's suing the State of MI because he needs healthcare and they are defendants in the case. Now this is more money being flushed into the toilet. They already know they are going to loss. BUT, as it was told to him (by doctors who have seen this all too many times) the State figures if they play it out, he might die, and that's much cheaper than paying for the 5 years of lawsuits.

All the while he does not work, goes in debt, and still hopes to get insulin. IF the companies STOP giving him insulin, then he dies, because it's not possible to LIVE in the ER. Which is what you would have to do. You'd have to hoover around the ER, admit yourself, get a shot, then hoover again. He needs 3 shots a day. Does this like a HUGE WASTE of resources to you BR.


face it, the system is f*cked.

Well said Michael. It is a very inefficient system. And why, so some big executives don't have to work; so that medical providers don't have to compete. It is a high price we are all paying.

[Buffalo Roam]

OK, this is the thing BR, he can not get a job with his health issues. He must remain jobless to continue to get the free insulin. This means we have in effect taken an American OUT of the workforce. :bugeye: That's just asinine. He is getting the insulin but not working. Wouldn't it be MUCH better if her were getting the insulin AND COULD WORD???

The system is screwed up in the USA.

Could he get a job anywhere else in the world with His heath problems?

If they are as bad as you say, no so what does that have to do with any thing?


He's suing the State of MI because he needs healthcare and they are defendants in the case. Now this is more money being flushed into the toilet. They already know they are going to loss. BUT, as it was told to him (by doctors who have seen this all too many times) the State figures if they play it out, he might die, and that's much cheaper than paying for the 5 years of lawsuits.

So the Democraticlly controled benevolent State of Michigan screwed Him, Michigan is run by Democrats, and why doesn't Michigan, a state that is in total democratioc control have a risk pool system?



Does Michigan have a risk pool for the uninsurable?
No, Michigan does not offer a risk pool for its citizen's who are medically-uninsurable.

Risk pools are state-sponsored programs to help people with a history of medical problems in their family to purchase coverage. These pools are for people who can afford to buy health insurance, but are not able to get underwritten in the private market because of a pre-existing health condition. These programs can vary significantly from state-to-state in price, benefits and number of people served. Often insurance companies doing business in the state are required to contribute to the poolto keep it in the black. In the best cases they allow people to be able to switch jobs or become self-employed without the fear of losing their health insurance coverage


All the while he does not work, goes in debt, and still hopes to get insulin. IF the companies STOP giving him insulin, then he dies, because it's not possible to LIVE in the ER. Which is what you would have to do. You'd have to hoover around the ER, admit yourself, get a shot, then hoover again. He needs 3 shots a day. Does this not strike you as a HUGE WASTE of resources BR?!?!

Has the company stopped giving him insulin, will they stop giving Him insulin, I doubt it, unless the Federal Government runs them out of business because of UHC regulations.

And you expect thing to improve with a federal program? look at Canada and Great Britain, and the screwed up mess their ER system is....



face it, the system is f*cked.

It's just asinine.

Yes, it is mostly due to Federal Regulations and mandates, again just look at any of the Governmentally run UHC systems, they are falling apart.



I used to teach at Medical School, I KNOW exactly what's wrong with the system and because of money and greed it's f*cked from the bottom up. I will take a lot of Americans dieing before anything is done. And it's all a scam. the AMA ensure that we pay through the nose.

You taught at Medical School and know what is wrong with the system, really?

I have been involved with government provided health care most of my adult life, and I know what is wrong with the system....Micro management from Washington, Congress....Unfunded and funded Mandate.....and the fact that the Government doesn't have to show a profit to stay in business, they just raise taxes, print more worthless money, shift the cost to the out years, and make someone else (our children, grand children, great grandchildren, great great grandchildren) pay the cost,