Empathy: What does ever dog owner know?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by coberst, Mar 6, 2009.

  1. coberst Registered Senior Member

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    Empathy: What does ever dog owner know?

    Letting your dog out side when necessary demonstrates our ability to empathesize with other creatures.

    There are various definitions of empathy given by various individuals but almost all of them point to the same meaning. Empathy is defined as the ability to understand the feelings, thoughts, and beliefs of another person. Empathy is often characterized as the ability to “walk in the shoes of another”, i.e. to acquire an emotional resonance with another.

    In his classic work about modern art, “Abstraction and Empathy”, Wilhelm Worringer provides us with a theory of empathy derived from Theodor Lipps that can be usefully applied to objects of art as well as all objects including persons.

    “The presupposition of the act of empathy is the general apperceptive activity. Every sensuous object, in so far as it exists for me, is always the product of two components, that which is sensuously given and of my apperceptive activity.”

    Apperception—the process of understanding something perceived in terms of previous experience.

    What does in so far as it exists for me mean. I would say that something exists for me when I comprehend that something. Comprehension is a hierarchical concept and can be usefully considered as in the shape of a pyramid. At the base of the comprehension pyramid is awareness that is followed by consciousness. We are aware of many things but we are conscious of much less. Consciousness is awareness plus our focused attention.

    Continuing with the pyramid analogy, knowing follows consciousness and understanding is at the pinnacle of the pyramid. We know less than we are conscious of and we understand less than we know. Understanding is about meaning whereas knowing is about knowledge. To move from knowing something to a point when that something is meaningful to me, i.e. understood by me, is a big step for man and a giant step for mankind.

    My very best friend is meaningful to me and my very worst enemy must, for security reasons, also be meaningful to me. The American failures in Vietnam and Iraq are greatly the result of the fact that our government and our citizens never understood these ‘foreigners’. We failed at the very important relationship—we did not empathesize with the people and thus failed to understand our enemy. It is quite possible that if we had understood them we would never have gone to war with them.

    If we had empathy with Germany in the 1930s would we have stopped Hitler before he forced us into war?

    If we had empathy with Germany before August 1914 would we have prevented WWI?

    Do you agree that we understand our best friend and that we must also understand our worst enemy?
     
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  3. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Some facts.
    Poland wanted to invade Germany in 1933 or 34, right along with the very first act(armaments), breaking the treaty of Versailles. The League of Nations would not allow it, possibly because of "Empathy" for Germany's troubles during the 20's.

    Germany DID NOT START WWI. Read a history book.

    Empathy is a trait of individuals and never of Nations.
     
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  5. Cyperium I'm always me Valued Senior Member

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    Hmmm, I seem to be different then, cause I understand more than I know, and know more than I am conscious of (?)
     
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  7. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    I'm confused. Is this about empathy or what dog owners should know?
     
  8. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    I dunno Mike I don't know why I post in coberst threads..

    You let you dog out, because you don't want him shitting in your house. He doesn't want to shit in your house 'cause he doesn't want to get whacked on the ass and yelled at.
     
  9. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    I thought this thread was going to be about dogs and stuff, but now I'm really disappointed.
     
  10. coberst Registered Senior Member

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    I think that comprehension is a hierarchy and can be usefully thought of as like a pyramid. At the base of the comprehension pyramid is awareness, which is followed by consciousness (awareness plus attention). Knowledge follows consciousness and understanding is at the pinnacle of the comprehension pyramid. We are aware of many more things than we are conscious of and that sort of ratio follows all the way up to understanding at the pinnacle.

    Understanding is a far step beyond knowing and is significantly different from knowing. Knowledge seeks truth whereas understanding seeks meaning.


    Awareness--faces in a crowd.

    Consciousness—smile, a handshake, and curiosity.

    Knowledge—long talks sharing desires and ambitions.

    Understanding—a best friend bringing constant April.
     
  11. coberst Registered Senior Member

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    The dog owner is empathetic with the dog, i.e. the dog owner understands the "need to go".
     
  12. coberst Registered Senior Member

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    Comprehension is a slow and developing process. We comprehend only what we are prepared to comprehend. We cannot comprehend long division until we have first studied addition and subtraction.
     
  13. Blindman Valued Senior Member

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    We can only truly ever empathise with other humans, not with other animals.

    Your example of the dog that wants to go out. You let it out, you feel happy and you see a behaviour in your pet that you interpret as happiness. You feel you understand the dogs perspective.

    This is a very wrong assumption, even among humans empathy is a hard thing to master.
    Lies, deception, misunderstanding all cloud human empathy.

    So to mans best friend, genetically engineered for thousands of years to pander to our empathy. Your dog is joyful at being let out, this may be because it needs to empty its bladder. It runs around sniffing and searching out the perfect spot in apparent glea, or is it fearfully looking for a spot to avoid masters wrath, or has its heightened mastery of scents compelled it to want to be let out.

    Do not be fooled for you can never truly understand, nor comprehend the state of another. We can only guess, and though behavioural outcomes may be what we expect, it in no way means that we are correct in our empathetic expectations.
     
  14. coberst Registered Senior Member

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    I suspect that the concept of empathy is foundational for comprehending the concept of morality. If we ever do develop a science of morality I suspect that empathy will be a good place to begin.

    I think that it is important to be able to distinguish among the words empathy, sympathy, and compassion.

    Webster says empathy—the imaginative projection of a subjective state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it—the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experiencing of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner

    Webster says sympathy—an affinity, association, or relationship between persons or things wherein whatever affects one similarly the other.

    Webster says compassion--sympathetic consciousness of other's distress together with a desire to alleviate it.
     

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