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Pretty straightforward question.
soulstar
03-05-09, 01:40 AM
Check in the bible- son of God, son of man, the saviour, the messiah, etc
TheVisitor
03-06-09, 09:56 PM
The Anointed One.
spidergoat
03-06-09, 10:29 PM
That's what you say when you get a paper cut or stub your toe on something.
PsychoticEpisode
03-06-09, 11:01 PM
Christ is Murphy's former surname.
theobserver
03-07-09, 03:43 AM
That's what you say when you get a paper cut or stub your toe on something.
exactly. :D
Since God is what we use when we are having sex or surprised, don't think Christ has some better use.
Fraggle Rocker
03-10-09, 10:51 PM
Christos is the Greek translation of the Hebrew word Mashiach (now customarily rendered in English as "Messiah"), which means "one who is anointed." The implication is of a Jewish religious ceremony in which the subject is being anointed with holy oil.
We could say that Jesus was the man's name (a Latin transcription of Hebrew Yehoshuah, a name now customarily rendered as "Joshua"), whereas "Christ," the Anointed One, is his honorific title.
superstring01
03-11-09, 01:51 AM
Christos is the Greek translation of the Hebrew word Mashiach (now customarily rendered in English as "Messiah"), which means "one who is anointed." The implication is of a Jewish religious ceremony in which the subject is being anointed with holy oil.
We could say that Jesus was the man's name (a Latin transcription of Hebrew Yehoshuah, a name now customarily rendered as "Joshua"), whereas "Christ," the Anointed One, is his honorific title.
The evolution of the old Jewish name "Joshuah" (Yshwh, Yeshuah, Yihishewah) is interesting. It's amusing to watch the face of people who "revere" the name Jesus (and get subsequently offended at the thought of naming their kids "Jesus") when they find out Jesus's real first name was "Joshuah".
More to the point, few people in those days would have called him by that name. The first name by old Judaic tradition was rarely used (perhaps, as with every culture I've personally come to know, parents screamed them all at a child who was misbehaving). This is common, amongst others, in modern Latin heritage cultures. My best friend in Spain, for example is named: Jesús Pascual López González (I've chosen two fake "last names" for the sake of privacy, white his first names remain unchanged). "Jesus", in this case, is merely a supplementary given name while "Pascual" is his common given name which he goes by. The "second to last name" being the surname that was passed on in perpetuity while the "last last name" was the mother's surname.
In the case of Jesus his "common given name" was Imanuel (or Emanuel: Yeshuah Imanuel ben Yusuf) and he most likely went by the diminutive "Mani" (stress on the "i", in Spanish it would look like: "Maní"). Like us, the Jews shortened common names to make them more familiar, affectionate and easy to use amongst intimates.
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Christos is the Greek translation of the Hebrew word Mashiach (now customarily rendered in English as "Messiah"), which means "one who is anointed." The implication is of a Jewish religious ceremony in which the subject is being anointed with holy oil.
We could say that Jesus was the man's name (a Latin transcription of Hebrew Yehoshuah, a name now customarily rendered as "Joshua"), whereas "Christ," the Anointed One, is his honorific title.
And what is holy oil?
EdgeHead
03-18-09, 01:22 PM
Christ is the adult version of Santa. Just my opinion.
Fraggle Rocker
03-18-09, 05:40 PM
And what is holy oil?Hey, I'm no expert on ancient Jewish rituals. I assume it's something like holy water in Catholic rituals. Indistinguishable from ordinary water (or oil) except for having undergone some sort of religious ceremony.Christ is the adult version of Santa. Just my opinion."Santa Claus" is a corruption of "Saint Nicholas." In colloquial British English that comes out "Sin-nuh-klus," the way St. John is pronounced "Sinjun" and St. Audrey became "tawdry," the word for cheap trinkets that were sold at the fairs held on her saint's day.
visceral_instinct
03-18-09, 05:53 PM
Poo?
cosmictraveler
03-18-09, 06:31 PM
Christ is the English term for the Greek Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "the anointed", which is a title given to the Reigning Messiah. In the 3rd- to 1st-centuries BC, the Tanakh (what Christians would in later centuries come to call the Old Testament) was translated into a Greek version called the Septuagint, in which Khristós was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ,) (Messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed, typically with holy anointing oil."
A central doctrine of Nicene Christianity is that God took human form in the body of Jesus, the Christ. Therefore, Christ was both fully human and fully God at the same time. Followers of Jesus became known as Christians because they believed that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah).
The area of Christian theology focusing on the nature of Jesus as the Christ, particularly with how the divine and human are related in his person, is known as Christology.
And another "myth" was born.
CheskiChips
03-18-09, 08:08 PM
Hey, I'm no expert on ancient Jewish rituals. I assume it's something like holy water in Catholic rituals. Indistinguishable from ordinary water (or oil) except for having undergone some sort of religious ceremony."Santa Claus" is a corruption of "Saint Nicholas." In colloquial British English that comes out "Sin-nuh-klus," the way St. John is pronounced "Sinjun" and St. Audrey became "tawdry," the word for cheap trinkets that were sold at the fairs held on her saint's day.
It's a pure oil that contains certain incense and spices that is used. They can be found in the Talmud, their reasons are also listed there. I've never studied this section. Though it's not as much a blessing on the oil that matter, if it matters at all for the explicit authenticity of the oil.
Christos is the Greek translation of the Hebrew word Mashiach (now customarily rendered in English as "Messiah"), which means "one who is anointed." The implication is of a Jewish religious ceremony in which the subject is being anointed with holy oil.
We could say that Jesus was the man's name (a Latin transcription of Hebrew Yehoshuah, a name now customarily rendered as "Joshua"), whereas "Christ," the Anointed One, is his honorific title.
TEN POINTS FOR YOU!
And what, for 25 more points, is Christ ("The Anointed One") anointed with exactly?
WHAT EXACTLY IS IN THE HOLY ANOINTING OIL?
Spectrum
03-20-09, 05:40 AM
Perhaps it is an abbreviation of Christopher.
In the (very) old days, to be 'christed' meant to be annointed.
Cyberbunny
03-20-09, 10:46 PM
Enlightened consciousness
Anointing Oil
22 Then the LORD said to Moses, 23 "Take the following fine spices: 500 shekels [k] of liquid myrrh, half as much (that is, 250 shekels) of fragrant cinnamon, 250 shekels of fragrant cane, 24 500 shekels of cassia—all according to the sanctuary shekel—and a hin [l] of olive oil. 25 Make these into a sacred anointing oil, a fragrant blend, the work of a perfumer. It will be the sacred anointing oil. 26 Then use it to anoint the Tent of Meeting, the ark of the Testimony, 27 the table and all its articles, the lampstand and its accessories, the altar of incense, 28 the altar of burnt offering and all its utensils, and the basin with its stand. 29 You shall consecrate them so they will be most holy, and whatever touches them will be holy.
-Exodus 30
Fraggle Rocker
03-22-09, 09:03 PM
Perhaps it is an abbreviation of Christopher.No, you've got the relationship backwards. Christos is simply a Greek word meaning "anointed," a literal translation of the Hebrew word mashiach. After Christianity gained momentum, Christos came to mean specifically Jesus, the anointed one. The Greek name Christopher was subsequently coined, meaning "Christ bearer."
Billy T
03-24-09, 03:52 PM
Anointing Oil ...
-Exodus 30Is that the same oil that burned in the temple for seven days when it should have lasted for only one?
Do you think if mixed with petroleum "peak oil" could come seven times later? :shrug:
Jesus used Marijuana
As doubtful as the following hypothesis might first seem to the reader, I might as well boldly state my case right from the start: either Jesus used marijuana or he was not the Christ. The very word "Christ", by the implication of its linguistic origins and true meaning, gives us the most profound evidence that Jesus did in fact use the same herb as his ancient semitic ancestors, and which is still used by people around the world for its enlightening and healing properties.
The Greek title "Christ" is the translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, which in English becomes "The Anointed". The Messiah was recognized as such by his being anointed with the holy anointing oil, the use of which was restricted to the instillation of Hebrew priests and kings. If Jesus was not initiated in this fashion then he was not the Christ, and had no official claim to the title.
The ancient recipe for this anointing oil, recorded in the Old Testament book of Exodus (30: 22-23) included over nine pounds of flowering cannabis tops, Hebrew "kaneh-bosm", extracted into a hind (about 6.5 litres) of olive oil, along with a variety of other herbs and spices. The ancient chosen ones were literally drenched in this potent cannabis holy oil.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html
PsychoTropicPuppy
03-27-09, 07:15 AM
^
haha, nothing wrong with Cannabis ; )
Billy T
03-27-09, 04:05 PM
No answer yet to my post 22 question, but if post 23 is correct, perhaps they only perceived (falsely due to the Cannabis fumes) that the oil burned for seven days.
PsychoTropicPuppy
03-27-09, 04:47 PM
^ I loled hard at the (cannabis fumes) comment.
Billy T
03-27-09, 04:57 PM
^ I loled hard at the (cannabis fumes) comment.If funny for you, I am glad. I know nothing about cannabis from personnel experience. - Too old and too much of a "control freak" to have let any chemical, but ETOH, posses me. ETOH is very regular in its effects - I know what to expect. In moderation, (less than 1oz/ hour) it is just a food with relaxing side effects AFAIK.
Is that the same oil that burned in the temple for seven days when it should have lasted for only one?
Do you think if mixed with petroleum "peak oil" could come seven times later? :shrug:
No it's not.
But it's worth noting that the frankensence they use in church today- you know- when the priest lights up that stuff and smokes up the church- used to be cannabis until about 400 ad.
And while we're at it, the roses you always see surrounding the Virgin Mary also used to be cannabis.
Fraggle Rocker
03-28-09, 09:53 PM
No it's not. But it's worth noting that the frankensence they use in church today- you know- when the priest lights up that stuff and smokes up the church- used to be cannabis until about 400 ad. And while we're at it, the roses you always see surrounding the Virgin Mary also used to be cannabis.Wait a minute, this is starting to sound like an ad for the Drug Policy Alliance.;)
I do know that there were no apple trees in ancient Mesopotamia, they were just not native to that region. The forbidden fruit that Eve tasted had to be a pomegranate, which was a staple food.
I just find it funny that the reality of the matter is all Christians are "followers of pot".
How many Christians out there?!!
PsychoTropicPuppy
04-04-09, 04:09 PM
Is there a religion that worships Cannabis? If yes, I'd immediately join! :O!
Billy T
04-04-09, 05:45 PM
Is there a religion that worships Cannabis? If yes, I'd immediately join! :O!I have been to Mesa Verde where the cliff dwellers lived. They had their religious ceremonies in poorly-ventilated, underground, chambers (Called "Kava" or "Kiva" or something like that, as I recall). That let all benefit from very little of the drug they smoked (or just let smolder in the center of the circular chamber). ("Peyote" or something like that, as I recall.) Search a little and correct my by memory post. Thanks.
Hapsburg
04-06-09, 09:11 AM
Pretty straightforward question.
"Anointed one" in Greek.
In the New Testament, it is used as a title for Jesus of Nazareth. However, due to peculiarities in the Greek language, titles are used as ad-hoc surnames, hence the common use of "Jesus Christ" to refer to Jesus of Nazareth, among Christians anyway.
Fraggle Rocker
04-07-09, 06:28 PM
However, due to peculiarities in the Greek language, titles are used as ad-hoc surnames, hence the common use of "Jesus Christ" to refer to Jesus of Nazareth, among Christians anyway."Iesous Christos" means simply "Joshua, the anointed one." To distinguish him from Joshua the blacksmith at the other end of town.
Christ means to be annointed.
JC would be "Jesus the annointed one."
Don't expect many religious people to actually know this ;)
Is there a religion that worships Cannabis? If yes, I'd immediately join! :O!
Rastafarians use pot as a sacrement to commune with Jah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari_movement
I have been to Mesa Verde where the cliff dwellers lived. They had their religious ceremonies in poorly-ventilated, underground, chambers (Called "Kava" or "Kiva" or something like that, as I recall). That let all benefit from very little of the drug they smoked (or just let smolder in the center of the circular chamber). ("Peyote" or something like that, as I recall.) Search a little and correct my by memory post. Thanks.
Kava is a plant whose root is chewed in Polynesia socially as a mild intoxicant.
To my knowledge there is no evidence the Anasazi used peyote when they lived in the cliffs. more on them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anasazi
However they are now known to have migrated south into Mexico, becoming among others the Huichol, who do make extensive use of peyote. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huichol
Central and South American tribes also use DMT (ayahuasca), Psilocybin Mushrooms, Saliva, and various other psychoactive compounds.
In theory these religious practices are now protected in the US and Unite Vegetal and Santo Daime have both recently won court cases protecting the use of DMT (ayahuasca).
http://www.udvusa.com/pdf/SupremeCourtDecision.pdf
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_law24.shtml
Judge Panner writes, "Guided by the unanimous decision of the United States Supreme Court in a very similar case, Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita Beneficente Uniao de Vegetal, 546 U.S. 418 (2006), I conclude that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, 42 U.S.C. 2000bb to 2000bb-4, requires that plaintiffs be allowed to import and drink Daime tea for their religious ceremonies, subject to reasonable restrictions."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uni%C3%A3o_do_Vegetal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime
Billy T
04-09-09, 01:53 PM
Kava is a plant whose root is chewed in Polynesia socially as a mild intoxicant.I did not conscously know that. Perhaps the underground chambers were called Kiva. I was at Mesa Verde more than 45 years ago. Perhaps now the pit I was told was a collapsed religious chamber was really just a garbage dump? My memory on it is not very clear and the official POV may have changed with more study.
Thanks for the links and information. BTW, as you seem well versed in psychodelic plants, I recall reading that morning glory seeds are psychodelic. Do you know it that is true?
Brian Foley
04-10-09, 12:45 AM
Pretty straightforward question.
Jesus Christ is Greek for the Aramaic Joshua Messiah which in English translates Saviour the Anointed One.
Fraggle Rocker
04-10-09, 11:53 PM
Jesus Christ is Greek for the Aramaic Joshua Messiah. . . .* * * * NOTE FROM THE LINGUISTICS MODERATOR * * * *
No, that is not Aramaic. Aramaic was the lingua franca of the Middle East from the era of the Assyrian Empire ca. 500BCE, until it began to be supplanted by Arabic in fairly recent times. And the Jews did indeed speak Aramaic as their vernacular language during the era in which the stories of the New Testament are set.
But they used Hebrew as their liturgical language, as they still do. Yehoshuah Mashiach is Hebrew, and Joshua Messiah is simply the Latin rendition which we use today.
Aramaic is of course a Semitic language related to Hebrew and Arabic. This website (http://www.v-a.com/bible/aramaic-jesus.html) says that the Aramaic version of Yehoshuah Mashiach is Eashoa' M'sheekha. Close enough to show the clear relationship but not the same.
Let me paint a little picture for you.
God- as told in the Bible- chose Aaron to run the priesthood that controlled the Ark of the Covenant- with Aaron existed the recipe for the Holy Anointing Oil.
The Holy Anointing Oil was used to sanctify the Ark through incense- - to issue clouds of pot smoke, to awaken the spirit of The Lord. The Aaronites would burn this oil in the temple of the ark, get high out of their minds, then see God through the smoke. Hmmm. (Makes me wonder what Moses' burning bush was...)
The Holy Anointing Oil was also used to, well, anoint people. An oil made mostly of pot, people were meant to be covered in this stuff, then washed off of this oil in a fresh river to see clarity (much as Jesus was anointed and saw the heavens tear open).
So yes- this is a PSA for pot awareness- marijuana shaped "Christ"ianity into what it has become today!
But there is also a story behind it, which, from this point of view is nothing but a PSA for pot.
The only way you could get this Holy Anointing Oil was from the rabbis at the temple and they gave it out sparingly. You could buy the authentic oil for a price, I mean, a substantial donation to the Temple.
Jesus was against this. The recipe was well known and the ingredients (pot) actually work- it really IS a holy oil. Why pay the priests when you can make it yourself? This is why he overturned the tables and caused a ruckus- this was God's recipe to reach God and it has become a business.
Jesus took the Holy Anointing Oil and freely gave it out to everyone who needed it. This is what set him at odds with the rabbis- THIS is why they singled him out and crucified him... Jesus was a pot dealer!
Drphail
04-14-09, 09:09 AM
christ is fake, and all that follow him need a reality check, go outside and find a real hobby
Makes no sense to me- please elaborate.
Fraggle Rocker
04-17-09, 11:45 PM
christ is fake, and all that follow him need a reality check, go outside and find a real hobbyNobody here is arguing that the character of Jesus was a real historical person. We're just arguing over the etymology of the name given to that character in the bible, and now about the various types of herbs that were used in religious ceremonies.
This is the Comparative Religion board, not the Religion board. No one comes here to proselytize. Chill out.
The designation of "Christ" (God's Anointed) bears with it a whole history of definition and expectation. This is a good resource for information: JewishEncyclopedia: Messiah (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=510&letter=M)
Medicine*Woman
10-31-09, 01:48 PM
Christos is the Greek translation of the Hebrew word Mashiach (now customarily rendered in English as "Messiah"), which means "one who is anointed." The implication is of a Jewish religious ceremony in which the subject is being anointed with holy oil.
We could say that Jesus was the man's name (a Latin transcription of Hebrew Yehoshuah, a name now customarily rendered as "Joshua"), whereas "Christ," the Anointed One, is his honorific title.
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M*W: You just gave me an idea. What does "anointed" mean in relation to the sun, stars, planets or constellations? This could be deeper than I thought. Could it mean "one who has the sun shining on them?"
Medicine*Woman
10-31-09, 01:54 PM
Wait a minute, this is starting to sound like an ad for the Drug Policy Alliance.;)
I do know that there were no apple trees in ancient Mesopotamia, they were just not native to that region. The forbidden fruit that Eve tasted had to be a pomegranate, which was a staple food.
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M*W: You are referring to the mythical fruit (aren't you?).
i'm trying to figure out why on earth people would take this "eating of fruit" concept so literally. as if knowledge grows on trees. there are metaphorical implications of fruit and of trees all over the bible.
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M*W: You are referring to the mythical fruit (aren't you?).
MW, where do you get the idea that fruit (either an apple, or an outcome) is mythical? apples and outcomes are not myths, they are very real things. :confused:
Fraggle Rocker
11-01-09, 03:32 PM
You just gave me an idea. What does "anointed" mean in relation to the sun, stars, planets or constellations? This could be deeper than I thought. Could it mean "one who has the sun shining on them?"Don't get too involved with the English translation of the Greek translation of a Hebrew word! That's not good science. You need to look into Hebrew etymology and the Jewish usage of Hebrew words. The source that Jen provided does not go into a linguistic analysis of Mashiach so it's no help on this score. But every source I've been able to find insists that it means "to smear with oil." Not only does Greek have a word Christos that is a precise literal translation of Mashiach, but so does Latin: inunguere. Apparently this was a very common and important concept in the civilizations of the classical era, a process used for healing as well as ritual. I think trying to read anything more into it is just fanciful speculation.You are referring to the mythical fruit (aren't you?).Well of course. Still it's worth noting that they didn't have apples in ancient Mesopotamia. Any reference to them was by Europeans or Levantines who were not familiar with pomegranates.
We do that all the time. The American buffalo is not a buffalo at all, but a species of cattle. Skunks have their own order and are not polecats, members of the weasel order. The American robin is not a robin and the zebra wolf was a marsupial, neither an artiodactyl nor a canid. And I probably don't have to explain to anyone that the prairie dog is a rodent and the sea cow is a manatee.;)i'm trying to figure out why on earth people would take this "eating of fruit" concept so literally. as if knowledge grows on trees. there are metaphorical implications of fruit and of trees all over the bible.Joseph Campbell, the most successful popularizer of Jungian psychology, pointed out that many people are simply incapable of grasping the concept of metaphor. To them, everything is either true or false. If you want to meet some of them go to Kentucky and stand outside the Creation Science Museum.
jessiej920
11-01-09, 10:55 PM
TEN POINTS FOR YOU!
And what, for 25 more points, is Christ ("The Anointed One") anointed with exactly?
WHAT EXACTLY IS IN THE HOLY ANOINTING OIL?
Ooh pick me, pick me! I'm pretty sure that the anointing oil was myrrh!
Medicine*Woman
11-03-09, 06:19 PM
MW, where do you get the idea that fruit (either an apple, or an outcome) is mythical? apples and outcomes are not myths, they are very real things. :confused:
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M*W: Apples grow on trees. I don't doubt apples are real. Outcomes are the result of things happening. I don't doubt they are real. Myths are figments of the imagination whether or not they are based on something that may have been real at one time. Specifically, the story of the GoE and A&E are myths. There were no apples in Eden, because Eden is a myth. According to the reading and research I have done on astro-theology, the GoE is represented by the zodiac. People created myths based on their ancient knowledge (or assumptions) of the god-like creatures in the sky. I'm not saying they were wrong for doing that. These myths were created for entertainment purposes only. They later became religions, based on changing perceptions as they evolved. The point is to learn what is a myth and what is real.
Medicine*Woman
11-03-09, 06:25 PM
Don't get too involved with the English translation of the Greek translation of a Hebrew word! That's not good science. You need to look into Hebrew etymology and the Jewish usage of Hebrew words. The source that Jen provided does not go into a linguistic analysis of Mashiach so it's no help on this score. But every source I've been able to find insists that it means "to smear with oil." Not only does Greek have a word Christos that is a precise literal translation of Mashiach, but so does Latin: inunguere. Apparently this was a very common and important concept in the civilizations of the classical era, a process used for healing as well as ritual. I think trying to read anything more into it is just fanciful speculation.Well of course. Still it's worth noting that they didn't have apples in ancient Mesopotamia. Any reference to them was by Europeans or Levantines who were not familiar with pomegranates.
We do that all the time. The American buffalo is not a buffalo at all, but a species of cattle. Skunks have their own order and are not polecats, members of the weasel order. The American robin is not a robin and the zebra wolf was a marsupial, neither an artiodactyl nor a canid. And I probably don't have to explain to anyone that the prairie dog is a rodent and the sea cow is a manatee.;)Joseph Campbell, the most successful popularizer of Jungian psychology, pointed out that many people are simply incapable of grasping the concept of metaphor. To them, everything is either true or false. If you want to meet some of them go to Kentucky and stand outside the Creation Science Museum.
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M*W: Okay, you always have good answers. The thing I like about you Fraggie is that you always make me think! Astrotheologically speaking, when a man is out in the heat of the sun beating down on him, would the beads of his sweat on his brow serve to anoint him? Just a thought.
Grim_Reaper
11-03-09, 07:14 PM
Chirst well as it was said before that is what you say when you see something that is suprising Eg Chirst the woman is ugly. Or Jesus Christ I have told you once I have told you a thousand times dont inhale the gas before you lite your smoke.
hay_you
11-06-09, 04:04 PM
Christ.... is a title from the Greek Khri‧stos′ is equivalent to the Hebrew 'Mashiach', Messiah; Anointed One. 'Christ' is not a mere added term to distinguish the Lord Jesus from others of the same name; it is an official title. Anointed means that you recieve a mention from someone else.
Jesus = Jehovah Is Salvation Jesus is the Lat. form of the Greek. I‧e‧sous′, which corresponds to the Heb. Yeshua‛ or Yehohshua‛,
Joab = Jehovah Is Father
Jonathan = Jehovah Has Given
John = Jehovah Has Shown Favor or Jehovah Has Been Gracious
Joseph = May Jah Add Increase; or Jah Has Added Increase. Jah is the shorten version of Jehovah
Hallelujah = praise Jah, you people
and many more.
If you use the Hebrew pronunciation Yeshua‛, then really, all the names I mentioned above and many others should change also. But these are the way it is pronounced in English.
The terms used in Christianity like: LORD, Lord, or God, are titles , and are not personal names. Kings were called Gods there are many false God's, and there are many lords.
Fraggle Rocker
11-06-09, 07:57 PM
Astrotheologically speaking, when a man is out in the heat of the sun beating down on him, would the beads of his sweat on his brow serve to anoint him?Yeah, but not in the sense that it's used in religion, which implies being anointed with oil or at least an oily liquid. Sweat is essentially water.Chirst well as it was said before that is what you say when you see something that is suprising Eg Chirst the woman is ugly. Or Jesus Christ I have told you once I have told you a thousand times dont inhale the gas before you lite your smoke.To yell "Christ!" or "God!" or "Jesus!" in the old days was a violation of the rule about taking the Lord's name in vain, and was therefore blasphemy. To do so was the moral equivalent of cursing, e.g., "May God strike you dead!"
Language invariably absorbs curses and blasphemies into everyday speech over the centuries, as they become more familiar and lose their shock value. Witness today's office meetings run by female managers who throw around terms like "asshole" and "bullshit" without flinching. Or the use of "crap," "pussy" and "dick" on TV.
Four hundred years ago a man would have turned heads by yelling, "Christ, the Mongols are advancing over that mountain!" Today a woman does not turn heads by saying, "Christ, that man is ugly."The terms used in Christianity like: LORD, Lord, or God, are titles , and are not personal names."Lord" was the lord of the manor, a man of noble birth or appointment who was the leader of the "family," a word which originally meant simply a household and had no implication of blood relationships. The Christians regarded God as the leader of the entire family of man, so it was natural to refer to him as "Lord."
The Spanish word señor served the same purpose, although today it is simply a translation of "gentleman" or "Mr." In Spanish the word our Bible translates as "the Lord" is rendered as el Señor.
hay_you
11-06-09, 09:19 PM
"Lord" was the lord of the manor, a man of noble birth or appointment who was the leader of the "family," a word which originally meant simply a household and had no implication of blood relationships. The Christians regarded God as the leader of the entire family of man, so it was natural to refer to him as "Lord."
The Spanish word señor served the same purpose, although today it is simply a translation of "gentleman" or "Mr." In Spanish the word our Bible translates as "the Lord" is rendered as el Señor.
The one problem that exists because of this, is that, the word Lord or LORD or even God, replaced God's name with a title. This also makes it confusing to who you mean, when speaking about God. For instance The Jews knew God as Jehovah or probably 'Yahweh' ( even they are not sure how to pronounce it). So Christianity is not serving the same God as the Jews. Christianity calls Jesus, God, or Lord ( LORD ) and has effectively, taken God's name,and God, out of the bible. The Jews were expecting God's Son to come ( Jesus), not God ( Jehovah ) himself.
So Christianity, is following God's Son not God. If you read some of Christianities bibles , there is no distinction, between God and his Son. But Jesus always made that distinction.
Jehovah = meaning 'He Causes to Become'
Jesus = meaning 'Jehovah Is Salvation'
to me, christ means the perfection of the human existence. yes, salvation from what is in err. restored communion with god and each other. redemption. i'm very much looking forward to it. :) thanks, jesus.
to me, christ means the perfection of the human existence. yes, salvation from what is in err. restored communion with god and each other. redemption. i'm very much looking forward to it. :) thanks, jesus.
If you wound up in Islamic hell, for example, would you be disappointed?
You can thank Muhammad for that, btw. :)
If you wound up in Islamic hell, for example, would you be disappointed?
You can thank Muhammad for that, btw. :)
and what makes islamic hell so special Q?
btw, your fate isn't determined by your religion, it's determined by your perception.
If you wound up in Islamic hell, for example, would you be disappointed?
You can thank Muhammad for that, btw. :)
This is a Clueless and meaningless statement for me .
and what makes islamic hell so special Q?
It's apparently different than Christian hell. But, that must be what is occurring, Christians are going to Islamic hell and Muslims are going to Christian hell.
I can't wait to see the various gods fighting over which hell they'll send me. :D
btw, your fate isn't determined by your religion, it's determined by your perception.
Sorry, but that's not the case with your religion or the others. You will be in Islamic hell, whether you like it or not. See you there, maybe.
This is a Clueless and meaningless statement for me .
Are you admitting to being clueless and meaningless? :shrug:
It's apparently different than Christian hell. But, that must be what is occurring, Christians are going to Islamic hell and Muslims are going to Christian hell.
I can't wait to see the various gods fighting over which hell they'll send me. :D
Sorry, but that's not the case with your religion or the others. You will be in Islamic hell, whether you like it or not. See you there, maybe.
you're talking gibberish.
you're talking gibberish.
Of course, I'm talking about your beliefs and the beliefs of your rival religions. And, you're dead to right, it IS gibberish.
Of course, I'm talking about your beliefs and the beliefs of your rival religions. And, you're dead to right, it IS gibberish.
you don't understand the most basic things about what i believe...on purpose.
you don't understand the most basic things about what i believe...on purpose.
Lori, the insanity of your beliefs are incomprehensible as they are based on magic and mysticism. They are whatever you've been indoctrinated to believe and however far your imagination will carry them.
Lori, the insanity of your beliefs are incomprehensible as they are based on magic and mysticism. They are whatever you've been indoctrinated to believe and however far your imagination will carry them.
there is absolutely nothing magical or mystical about what i believe. that is only a symptom of your emphatically self-imposed ignorance.
there is absolutely nothing magical or mystical about what i believe.
That's exactly what everyone has been telling you. :)
That's exactly what everyone has been telling you. :)
that's not what you just said. you're talking out your ass Q.
if you'll notice (which you won't) from every bit of testimony i've given out here, my beliefs don't come from what anyone tells me. they come from what i experience.
and by the way, when you refer to "indoctrination", what doctrine cites aliens, vampires, and rock stars Q? what doctrine is that?
my beliefs don't come from what anyone tells me. they come from what i experience.
Yes, we've heard all that mumbo-jumbo before. Thanks you very much. :rolleyes:
and by the way, when you refer to "indoctrination", what doctrine cites aliens, vampires, and rock stars Q? what doctrine is that?
Indoctrination results in the inability to use critical thinking skills. You've been brainwashed to believe in magic, hence you'll believe anything that doesn't jive with reality.
Yes, we've heard all that mumbo-jumbo before. Thanks you very much. :rolleyes:
and yes, we all know that anything not fitting into your self-indulgent paradigms is mumbo jumbo.
Indoctrination results in the inability to use critical thinking skills. You've been brainwashed to believe in magic, hence you'll believe anything that doesn't jive with reality.
i've never been indoctrinated into anything and i don't believe in magic.
i've never been indoctrinated into anything and i don't believe in magic.
That completely contradicts everything you claim about your beliefs. :shrug:
and yes, we all know that anything not fitting into your self-indulgent paradigms is mumbo jumbo.
I simply see reality. No 'self-indulgence paradigms' required. Reality dictates, I don't.
I simply see reality. No 'self-indulgence paradigms' required. Reality dictates, I don't.
your reality dictates that you may as well be living in a box.
That completely contradicts everything you claim about your beliefs. :shrug:
the only thing it contradicts is your unqualified opinion of my beliefs. :shrug:
Grim_Reaper
11-08-09, 07:34 PM
Yeah, but not in the sense that it's used in religion, which implies being anointed with oil or at least an oily liquid. Sweat is essentially water.To yell "Christ!" or "God!" or "Jesus!" in the old days was a violation of the rule about taking the Lord's name in vain, and was therefore blasphemy. To do so was the moral equivalent of cursing, e.g., "May God strike you dead!"
Language invariably absorbs curses and blasphemies into everyday speech over the centuries, as they become more familiar and lose their shock value. Witness today's office meetings run by female managers who throw around terms like "asshole" and "bullshit" without flinching. Or the use of "crap," "pussy" and "dick" on TV.
Four hundred years ago a man would have turned heads by yelling, "Christ, the Mongols are advancing over that mountain!" Today a woman does not turn heads by saying, "Christ, that man is ugly.[/i]
Thanks for pointing that out Fraggle I would have never imagined anything like that. ..... And yes how did you know I am ugly for Christ sake. And BTW please note a hint of sarcasm in me post
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