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StrangerInAStrangeLa
11-16-08, 02:39 PM
Seems quite silly to me. Like exploring Luna before other continents.
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AlphaNumeric
11-16-08, 02:43 PM
Because it's not designed to look at such close objects and the brightness levels would probably 'blind' the optics.

StrangerInAStrangeLa
11-16-08, 03:01 PM
I didn't think I needed to point out it wasn't designed that way.
Whatever the problems might be, it doesn't make sense to put Hubble up there & not even try to see what we can of Luna.
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Janus58
11-16-08, 05:39 PM
I didn't think I needed to point out it wasn't designed that way.
Whatever the problems might be, it doesn't make sense to put Hubble up there & not even try to see what we can of Luna.
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It makes plenty of sense, since it wouldn't be worth doing. Even as close as the Moon is, the Hubble wouldn't be able to resolve anything smaller than 185m on its surface. We got better resolutions than that of the Moon's surface in the 1960's with the Lunar Orbiter series of probes, with the added advantage of being able to image the far side also.

It makes much more sense to send a probe to the Moon to take close up images than it would to try and design the Hubble so that it would have been able to take pictures of the Moon.

StrangerInAStrangeLa
11-16-08, 09:52 PM
It makes plenty of sense, since it wouldn't be worth doing. Even as close as the Moon is, the Hubble wouldn't be able to resolve anything smaller than 185m on its surface. We got better resolutions than that of the Moon's surface in the 1960's with the Lunar Orbiter series of probes, with the added advantage of being able to image the far side also.


Resolutions of no less than 185m are no good but resolutions of hundreds of light years are. Nonsense.

It makes much more sense to send a probe to the Moon to take close up images than it would to try and design the Hubble so that it would have been able to take pictures of the Moon.

Are we doing that?
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Janus58
11-16-08, 11:52 PM
Resolutions of no less than 185m are no good but resolutions of hundreds of light years are. Nonsense.

I didn't say that it was no good, just that it wasn't as good as you can get by sending a probe close up. This is an option with the Moon, but not with the deep space objects the Hubble is used to explore.



Are we doing that?
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As I already pointed out, we already have images taken in the 1960's that are better than those that could be taken by the Hubble. And yes, we have sent other probes to map the Moon; Clementine is an example.

Future missions include the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, scheduled to launch in April of 2009. Its camera should be able to resolve some of the larger pieces of equipment left behind by the Apollo missions.

BenTheMan
11-16-08, 11:54 PM
Resolutions of no less than 185m are no good but resolutions of hundreds of light years are. Nonsense.

Considering galaxies are millions of light years across...yeah.

StrangerInAStrangeLa
11-17-08, 12:01 AM
As I already pointed out, we already have images taken in the 1960's that are better than those that could be taken by the Hubble.

Yes, I saw you point that out the 1st time.

And yes, we have sent other probes to map the Moon; Clementine is an example.

Future missions include the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, scheduled to launch in April of 2009. Its camera should be able to resolve some of the larger pieces of equipment left behind by the Apollo missions.

That's good. It still doesn't make sense not to have enabled Hubble to do whatever could be done to photograph Luna while it's there & the probes are not.
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Janus58
11-17-08, 12:07 AM
It still doesn't make sense not to have enabled Hubble to do whatever could be done to photograph Luna while it's there & the probes are not.
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What good would it have do for the Hubble to take pictures of the Moon that are not as good as the photos that we have already taken of the Moon?

D H
11-17-08, 12:32 AM
It makes plenty of sense, since it wouldn't be worth doing. Even as close as the Moon is, the Hubble wouldn't be able to resolve anything smaller than 185m on its surface. We got better resolutions than that of the Moon's surface in the 1960's with the Lunar Orbiter series of probes, with the added advantage of being able to image the far side also.Resolutions of no less than 185m are no good but resolutions of hundreds of light years are. Nonsense.
Not nonsense. The moon is about 384,400 kilometers from the center of the Earth, or about 377,400 kilometers from the Hubble. The Hubble's the highest resolution camera, appropriately named the High Resolution Camera (HRC), has a pixel size of 28×25 milliarcseconds. At 377,400 kilometers, that 28×25 milliarcseconds pixel corresponds to an area of 51.23×45.74 meters. However, a 51x46 meter object on the Moon would be invisible to this camera. The Nyquist sampling theorem says that the smallest object that can possibly be resolved by any camera is twice the pixel size (linear, not square). This means the camera might be able to see a 102x91 meter object as a tiny dot. The camera isn't perfect and a one pixel object has zero meaning. You have to double the size again, 205x183 meters, to get the realistic resolution capability if the HRC were to view the Moon -- which it doesn't do because this camera is designed to look at very faint objects.
It makes much more sense to send a probe to the Moon to take close up images than it would to try and design the Hubble so that it would have been able to take pictures of the Moon.Are we doing that?

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter mission will conduct investigations that will prepare for and support future human exploration of the Moon.
The LRO is scheduled for launch next April. For more, see http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov.

Nasor
11-19-08, 04:50 PM
Another major issue that I don't think anyone has pointed out yet is that when the hubble takes those pretty pictures of far-away stuff, it can spend DAYS gathering data for each image. You can do that when you're looking at stuff that's very far away because the apparent relative motion from parallax etc. is tiny. If you tried to take such an image of something that was close, you would probably end up with everything hopelessly blurred from all the motion.

Ophiolite
11-19-08, 05:36 PM
it doesn't make sense to put Hubble up there & not even try to see what we can of Luna.
1111I take it you have adapted your mountain bike so it can carry you across the Atlantic in about the same time and comfort as an Airbus. You haven't! Why ever not. I mean it's just silly to go to all the trouble of acquiring a transport device that is only any use for a very limited form of transport. What's the matter with you? Do you have comprehension difficulties? Lack of ambition? Wow!:shrug:

leopold99
11-19-08, 06:24 PM
I didn't think I needed to point out it wasn't designed that way.
Whatever the problems might be, it doesn't make sense to put Hubble up there & not even try to see what we can of Luna.
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it makes perfect sense.
why waste the hubbles exceptional seeing power on an object we can see plainly and clearly by earth based telescopes?

what do the 4 ones mean?