Creationists declare war over the brain

[Michael]

Creationists declare war over the brain (http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg20026793.000-creationists-declare-war-over-the-brain.html?feedId=online-news_rss20)

"YOU cannot overestimate," thundered psychiatrist Jeffrey Schwartz, "how threatened the scientific establishment is by the fact that it now looks like the materialist paradigm is genuinely breaking down. You're gonna hear a lot in the next calendar year about... how Darwin's explanation of how human intelligence arose is the only scientific way of doing it... I'm asking us as a world community to go out there and tell the scientific establishment, enough is enough! Materialism needs to start fading away and non-materialist causation needs to be understood as part of natural reality."

According to proponents of ID, the "hard problem" of consciousness - how our subjective experiences arise from the objective world of neurons - is the Achilles heel not just of Darwinism but of scientific materialism.


Pass me some popcorn Xenu, the humans are at it again with all their crazy antics :D

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

If we find that consciousness is not materialist, that says nothing of whether there are gods.

[Jan Ardena]

If we find that consciousness is not materialist, that says nothing of whether there are gods.

What would say there are gods?

jan.

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

That's getting off topic. New thread?

[JDawg]

Creationists declare war over the brain (http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg20026793.000-creationists-declare-war-over-the-brain.html?feedId=online-news_rss20)



Pass me some popcorn Xenu, the humans are at it again with all their crazy antics :D

There is no real problem here. The creationists are a fringe group of idiots that live in the under-educated parts of this country, and pose no threat whatsoever to the scientific community. Creationists have lost every court case they've brought forward.

Notice that the guy crying doom is a psychiatrist. :rolleyes:

[solidsquid]

I've read Schwartz's work which he puts forth the evidence of his ideas and they were unimpressive.

[swarm]

ID? First person shoot'em ups? Idiot design?

[(Q)]

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[Carico]

Creationists declare war over the brain (http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg20026793.000-creationists-declare-war-over-the-brain.html?feedId=online-news_rss20)



Pass me some popcorn Xenu, the humans are at it again with all their crazy antics :D

So prove his statement wrong instead of resorting to personal attacks like children do when they can't defend their position. ;)

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

So prove his statement wrong instead of resorting to personal attacks like children do when they can't defend their position. ;)

Why??? YOU never prove anything. You only spew childish inanities & want others to take your word for it.

[(Q)]

So prove his statement wrong instead of resorting to personal attacks like children do when they can't defend their position.

This statement?

"...non-materialist causation needs to be understood as part of natural reality."

When they can't even demonstrate 'non-materialist causation' to exist in nature, how can they claim it should be part of natural reality?

And please, Carico, explain to us exactly which religions 'non-materialist causation' you refer? There are many to choose from.

[OilIsMastery]

It's so funny how omniscient demigod scientists think life is material but they can't seem to create souls, recreate life in the lab, or resurrect the dead. Apparently living organisms are a lot more than just mere matter and chemistry.

[Repo Man]

Apparently living organisms are a lot more than just mere matter and chemistry.

They cannot return a baked cake to its component parts either, but that's no reason to think that there is more to a cake than matter and chemistry.

And souls? http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/2959/emotlaffofm8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[OilIsMastery]

They cannot return a baked cake to its component parts either
They can't? Why not?

And souls?
You don't have one? No surprise.

[Repo Man]

They can't? Why not?

Stupid question.

You don't have one? No surprise.

Neither do you.

[OilIsMastery]

Stupid question.
Congratulations. You came up with an even stupider anwser.

Neither do you.
The "I" is the soul.

[Repo Man]

Congratulations. You came up with an even stupider anwser.

Gee, I dunno, why can't those dumb scientists reverse combustion? Why can't they turn ash back into wood? I guess that just proves they cannot do anything!


The "I" is the soul.

Every keyboard has a soul?

[scorpius]

It's so funny how omniscient demigod scientists
what scientists label themselves as such?

think life is material but they can't seem to create souls, recreate life in the lab, or resurrect the dead.
know anyone who can resurrect dead

what is SOUL??

synthetic life made by scientists
http://www.evilbible.com/Synthetic_Life.htm

Apparently living organisms are a lot more than just mere matter and chemistry.
like what?

[scorpius]

Creationists declare war over the brain (http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg20026793.000-creationists-declare-war-over-the-brain.html?feedId=online-news_rss20)

Pass me some popcorn Xenu, the humans are at it again with all their crazy antics :D
fuck creationists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNwJZe8HtOE

[swarm]

OilIsMastery
life is material but they can't seem to create souls, recreate life in the lab, or resurrect the dead.

Funny how religious people pull this out when they can't even get as close as science can. Piece by piece science is unraveling how life works. What do you have? Nothing.

There are no souls so progress on making what doesn't exist is naturally non existent. And what do you have? Nothing.

There is significant progress toward recreating life in the lab. All the basic components can be made now up to peptides and simple proteins. Also life itself can be manipulated at the genetic level. And what do you have? Nothing.

The dead have been getting resurrected for decades now. As long as decomposition has not progressed to the point the person is not recoverable, science is able to bring an amazing number of people back on a regular basis. And what do you have? Nothing.

Apparently living organisms are a lot more than just mere matter and chemistry.

Apparently not.

And what do you have? Nothing.

You whine about the progress of science while enjoying its fruits and offering nothing.

Hypocrite.

[KennyJC]

"YOU cannot overestimate," thundered psychiatrist Jeffrey Schwartz, "how threatened the scientific establishment is by the fact that it now looks like the materialist paradigm is genuinely breaking down. You're gonna hear a lot in the next calendar year about... how Darwin's explanation of how human intelligence arose is the only scientific way of doing it... I'm asking us as a world community to go out there and tell the scientific establishment, enough is enough! Materialism needs to start fading away and non-materialist causation needs to be understood as part of natural reality."

According to proponents of ID, the "hard problem" of consciousness - how our subjective experiences arise from the objective world of neurons - is the Achilles heel not just of Darwinism but of scientific materialism.

Zzzzzzzz...

Perhaps if we didn't have a brain, and were still intelligent beings... then we do indeed give merits to a non-physical origin to our consciousness.

This guy can bleat all he wants - Science is not threatened by his silly mystical explanations. This is the type of idiot that would have probably called rainbows an act of god before science was able to explain it.

[synthesizer-patel]

fuck creationists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNwJZe8HtOE

Word!

Mc Hawking is da mutafukin bomb

[Cris]

Carico,

So prove his statement wrong ....Here is the essence of the ID position against science ...

According to proponents of ID, the "hard problem" of consciousness - how our subjective experiences arise from the objective world of neurons - is the Achilles heel not just of Darwinism but of scientific materialism.The IDists make the mistake of trying to assert that science can NEVER solve this problem, there is no basis for that.

It is a "hard" problem not necessarily an impossible one. Until ID can show it is impossible and/or can show that something immaterial is possible then they have nothing to support their position.

[swarm]

ID offers nothing but whining.