A Christian must be a fundamentalist

[Simon Anders]

Or he or she is not a Christian."

This is the basic thesis of Q and Strangerinastrangeland on another thread. I thought it was a distraction – though one can read Q’s psychic interpretation for why I dropped the issue on the other thread. Here I will address why I think their thesis is false.

A Christian could view the Bible as a flawed human document inspired by God. That the various writers of the Bible did their best, but the results were affected by their cultures and psychologies. Still these Christians believe essential truths and inspiration can be found in the Bible especially in the 4 Gospels.

Q tends to start ranting about God being the authority and that Christians must listen to God. (perhaps in a past life Q was a Fire and Brimstone preacher, who knows) These non-fundamentalists do not disagree, but they do not think it is as easy as Q seems to think it is to know what God wants and has 'said'. Thus they feel there is a process via prayer and contemplation and perhaps discussions with other Christians and listening to experts – whom they choose from amongst the wide variety of churches out there.

Thus they need not decide to hate homosexuals, a pet issue of Strangers, and do not need to be threatened by carbon dating and estimates of the age of the earth or when animals evolved or humans for that matter.

Q and Stranger think that they are in the position of saying that only fundamentalists are real Christians, despite the fact that they are not Christians and are not agreed with by many Christians on this issue.

So why do they do Q and Stranger take this position. One possibility:
It makes it easier for them.

If you have to take the entire Bible literally, then you do run into contradictions with Science, especially in the non-gospel portions of the MT and in many portions of the OT.

I think it is ironic, in a way that seems to escape Q, that he is, essentially, setting himself up as a religious authority, and seems intent in not admitting that this role serves his position and might not be justified. His sidekick may not realize that in supporting Q, he is also saying that in fact there are millions and millions less Christians in the world and that only fundamentalist Christians can be Christians. A belief that begins to slide their position much closer to Adstar’s.

Many people want their enemies simple. They like to demonize or oversimplify issues. You can see this when countries gear up to war. You can see this here in threads where atheists bash theists as if they are all fundamentalists. You can see it here in threads where theists bash atheists for being without morals or for not being creative or whatever.

You like your simple enemies that are all exactly the same.

You need that.

When will you stop needing that.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Simon Anders-Hat's off to you. I know you're not trying to take any theist position, but it would be nice if what you have said here could educate the more evangelical atheists here.

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

I'm a Christian.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Stranger-Really? So you're like Saul, then? Or perhaps you'd consider yourself a friend of Job?

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

Saul & Job never existed.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Neither did Captain Ahab, but we can still make comparisons if we are familiar. Perhaps you'd deign to share your beliefs.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Would I be better to compare you to Saladin? Mork? Perhaps you have a better explanation?

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

There are things in The Holy Babble I agree with therefore I'm a Christian.

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." Matthew 7:12
"And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." Luke 6:31

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Stranger-I am not familiar with the babble. Could you reference what you believe? Perhaps there is an online copy I could familiarise myself with.

[CutsieMarie89]

I thought in order to be considered a Christian you have to believe Jesus was the son of God and that in did in fact rise again after his death. You also must accept Jesus as your personal Lord and savior, and should follow his teachings. I thought that was it.

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

Evidently, anyone who believes some of The Holy Babble is a Christian.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 1 Corinthians 13:4-7

[CutsieMarie89]

Evidently, anyone who believes some of The Holy Babble is a Christian.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 1 Corinthians 13:4-7

You have to believe Jesus was the son of God or you aren't a Christian. There can be no variations on this point.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

I thought so, too cutsiemarie. Stranger is suggesting he believes bits of a different book, one unfamiliar to christians. Something called the babble. Stranger, I think, in no way is a christian. He is claiming it sort of like if I were to go around claiming that I'm the newly appointed Chief Scientist of the Universe. I think he's trying to make the point that if one believes some odd bit of christian writing, you must be a christian.

It all stems from this odd desire to see things in nothing but black and white. You are either a fundamentalist christian who believes the bible literally or you are not a christian. This smallmindedness is what brings about these childish displays. If stranger simply believes in God, Jesus Christ, that Jesus died was resurrected, and has prayed to him for forgiveness... Then Stranger is a christian. I suggest he is referring to something like Jesus Wept. Trying to illustrate that christians pick and choose their beliefs. The fact is christians the world over have one basic belief, which has been stated, in common. Whatever else they believe is just additional stuff. If I as a christian, choose to believe that minor deities exist, nothing says I'm not going to heaven because of it. That seems hard to swallow for some of our more vehement Atheists.

Elsewhere I took someone else to cause for spot quoting, then responding to things out of context. In the end, Christianity, at it's core, seems too simple. Too bad, it is what it is.

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

So Ham is the judge of who is & isn't Christian.

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Gn 2:24

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Not at all. I am the judge of who I think is or isn't christian. God judges our hearts. If you are claiming a gift that isn't yours, it doesn't bother you if you think the giver is pretend and receivers are deluded. If you are, indeed, a christian, then I applaud you. Perhaps we should make an announcement of your conversion here on the board. It is common practice among believers to discuss what they believe. Cutsiemarie and I have both stated what is the common requirement for christianity, and I believ she has said she was agnostic at best. Surely, stranger, you'd care to share your beliefs, here, among friends?

[CutsieMarie89]

It's easy to be a Christian, their beliefs revolve around Christ. It's the belief that whoever believes in him shall have everlasting life. You don't have to believe all of the other mumbo jumbo in the Bible to go to heaven. If you truly believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and savior then it should be reflected through your works, I believe is the explanation for why Jesus' followers tend to be good people on average. Bad people are not true Christians because their works don't reflect what they supposedly believe. I can see a few holes in this logic, but for the most part it makes sense.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

CutsieMarie-Thanks. Whether you do or don't believe, it's nice to know that someone understands.

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

You're contradicting yourself, Ham.

There were giants in the earth in those days. -- Genesis 6

[Mr. Hamtastic]

stranger-how so?

[CutsieMarie89]

CutsieMarie-Thanks. Whether you do or don't believe, it's nice to know that someone understands.

You're quite welcome. I used to be a very devout Christian who was practically a fundamentalist, but I know that most of the hate that some outspoken atheists proclaim are just stereotypes. It is very similar to the hate that some Christians have for atheists.

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

stranger-how so?

This thread is only 1 page long. Look.

Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

CutsieMarie-I can believe it. I've posted about how embarrassed I get of them too.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Stranger-I did. I see no contrdiction, my fiend.

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

You don't want to see it.
I never expected you to call me that.

Neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor's wife - Deuteronomy 5:21

[Medicine*Woman]

Saul & Job never existed.
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M*W: I agree. This is an interesting point of discussion. What I've read is that Job was written as a tragic drama (for entertainment purposes only). It was the oldest document written. Why it was placed in the OT is anybody's question.

Saul=Sol=Paul=Paulo=Apollo, so no, you are right, these fictional characters never existed.

I, for one, would like to hear more from you along this line. Have you heard that Jesus could have just been a fictional character, like an offshoot, of Julius Caesar (JC)? Ya know, this really scares the hell outta christians!

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Stranger-Now you're arguing like my wife,"If you don't know, then I'm not telling you!" LOL I'll respond to you, much as I do to her,"If you won't tell me then why should I care?" Do John 3:16 next. I don't want to be accused of preaching by forum rules.

MW-SQUAWK! GOD IS A DUCK! SQUAWK! ALL RELIGIONS ARE FALSE!

Here's one for you. Kindly prove the existence of Julius Caesar to my satisfaction.

[(Q)]

A Christian could view the Bible as a flawed human document inspired by God.

Whereas the atheist views the bible as a flawed human document.

That the various writers of the Bible did their best, but the results were affected by their cultures and psychologies. Still these Christians believe essential truths and inspiration can be found in the Bible especially in the 4 Gospels.

They did their best at contriving a religion specific to their cultures and psychologies. The type of "inspiration" Simon refers could be made evident in how slaves were addressed:

"Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ." (Ephesians 6:5)

"Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don't work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord." (Colossians 3:22)

"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back ." (Titus 2:9)

"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. " (1 Peter 2:18)



Q tends to start ranting about God being the authority and that Christians must listen to God.

It is the bible which testifies the authority over Christians and that is their god and only their god. This cannot be denied by any Christian. Here are just a few passages indicating this authority, however Simon has been very diligent at ignoring these verses in order to forward his agenda of deceit.

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

(perhaps in a past life Q was a Fire and Brimstone preacher, who knows)

Perhaps you were a used car salesman? Clearly, it shows.

These non-fundamentalists do not disagree

Hence, the utter hypocrisy of religion.

but they do not think it is as easy as Q seems to think it is to know what God wants and has 'said'.

Isn't that what the bible states? Is it not the word of god? Are you the arbiter of what is valid in the bible and what is not? Please illuminate us all as to what is true in the bible and what is false? I wait, all aquiver.

Thus they feel there is a process via prayer and contemplation and perhaps discussions with other Christians and listening to experts – whom they choose from amongst the wide variety of churches out there.

Experts? How can there be experts on the bible? It's merely a book that anyone can read and understand. You read the bible, obey it and that's it. No need to contrive some ridiculous crap about praying and contemplating and discussing. It's all there for all to see.

Thus they need not decide to hate homosexuals, a pet issue of Strangers, and do not need to be threatened by carbon dating and estimates of the age of the earth or when animals evolved or humans for that matter.

So, they decide the bible is not the word of god and that they can do whatever they want? What's your point?

Q and Stranger think that they are in the position of saying that only fundamentalists are real Christians, despite the fact that they are not Christians and are not agreed with by many Christians on this issue.

Christians who don't agree with the bible are clearly hypocrites.

So why do they do Q and Stranger take this position. One possibility:
It makes it easier for them.

Bullshit. The position has been made clear by your god, not by Stranger or me.

If you have to take the entire Bible literally, then you do run into contradictions with Science

That's what I've been trying to tell you, yet you put me on ignore for doing so. Curious...

I think it is ironic, in a way that seems to escape Q, that he is, essentially, setting himself up as a religious authority, and seems intent in not admitting that this role serves his position and might not be justified. His sidekick may not realize that in supporting Q, he is also saying that in fact there are millions and millions less Christians in the world and that only fundamentalist Christians can be Christians.

I keep telling you, but you refuse to listen, there is only one authority in Christianity. Can you guess who?

Many people want their enemies simple. They like to demonize or oversimplify issues. You can see this when countries gear up to war. You can see this here in threads where atheists bash theists as if they are all fundamentalists. You can see it here in threads where theists bash atheists for being without morals or for not being creative or whatever.

Religion is the real enemy, Simon.

[Medicine*Woman]

Stranger-Now you're arguing like my wife,"If you don't know, then I'm not telling you!" LOL I'll respond to you, much as I do to her,"If you won't tell me then why should I care?" Do John 3:16 next. I don't want to be accused of preaching by forum rules.

MW-SQUAWK! GOD IS A DUCK! SQUAWK! ALL RELIGIONS ARE FALSE!

Here's one for you. Kindly prove the existence of Julius Caesar to my satisfaction.
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M*W: Fortunately, I was not put in this world to provide for your satisfaction. Whether Julius Caesar was a real human being or fictional, I cannot prove it. All I know is what all the history books declare, but beyond that, there are several research scientists out there today who have explored this theory. It makes sense to me, since I've read their research, but it is not a widely known theory. I wouldn't imagine you have ever heard of such a theory much less have read about it. What evidence there is about Julius Caesar are the coins that were minted during his reign. There may be other evidence such as statues, although that isn't proof of anything. There are just too many similarities between the character of Julius Caesar (real or not) and the character of Jesus Christ (real or not). They are too lengthy to go into here, and I'm headed out. I've written a lot about this theory, so if you're interested, go look up my previous threads/posts on the subject. Or, read Joseph Atwill's Caesar's Messiah or Francesco Carotta's Jesus Was Caesar. The similarities in their lives will blow you away (real or not).

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Q-what was that? Oh, that's right. It says here that your posts are unreadable because you are ignored. I guess others will have to appreciate your abundant wisdom.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

MW-out of fairness, I will seek those titles out, but I can't honestly say I'll be able to objectively read them. I will try. I've tried checking out your previous posts, but am too much of a novice of board navigation.

[CutsieMarie89]

Christians who don't agree with the bible are clearly hypocrites.


Christians who pick and choose what they believe and don't believe then tell everyone else it's wrong because it's in the Bible, are hypocrites. IE homosexuality is wrong because that's what it says in the Bible that means God thinks it's wrong, but if you actually read the rest of Leviticus, you would find quite a few other things that you think is wrong, but God doesn't or vice versa. I mean even most Fundalmentalist Christians don't lock their wives and daughters up during her period and never touch her during those days, nor do they sacrifice a goat or bird or whatever whenever they do touch their unclean wife or daughter in order to be cleansed. Why not? Those are God's rules.
However that's the Old Testament the book of the Jews, the New Testament is the book of for Christians. So Christians really only need follow their own book.

[Simon Anders]

However that's the Old Testament the book of the Jews, the New Testament is the book of for Christians. So Christians really only need follow their own book.
If a Christian says that the Bible is the word of God and is perfect and meant to be literal in its entirety than that Christian is hypocritical if they pick and choose. If a Christian does not believe the Bible is a perfect, direct from God document, but something that is inspired by God or attempts by different writers to relay God's messages or a document that is distorted by the culture and psychology of the people of that time, etc., then the Christian is not a hypocrite for choosing those portions that feel correct for them.

It is really very simple.
To be hypocritical is to behave in ways that contradict one's beliefs. If you belief the whole thing is the literal truth, period, well you better damn well follow it word for word.
If not, not.

One can ask such a person how they decide which parts are literal and or true and the issue can run off into epistemological areas, but that is another issue.

And I agree that many Christians do not follow the OT remotely as much as the NT. Those there are those who do get all worked up about certain OT passages, and some of these are really causing a lot of problems for all of us, whether we are non-christians like me, non-fundies, homosexuals, women, atheists, etc.

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

Stranger-Now you're arguing like my wife,"If you don't know, then I'm not telling you!" LOL I'll respond to you, much as I do to her,"If you won't tell me then why should I care?"

Ridiculous babbling.

Do John 3:16 next. I don't want to be accused of preaching by forum rules.

Obviously, I've been "doing" the parts I believe. (This isn't the Absurdities Of Religion thread.) John 3:16 doesn't fit.

MW-SQUAWK! GOD IS A DUCK! SQUAWK! ALL RELIGIONS ARE FALSE!

Absurd strawman.

Here's one for you. Kindly prove the existence of Julius Caesar to my satisfaction.

I never claimed Julius Caesar existed.

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

MW-out of fairness, I will seek those titles out, but I can't honestly say I'll be able to objectively read them. I will try. I've tried checking out your previous posts, but am too much of a novice of board navigation.

Click on MW's name above her post then look for : PostsTotal Posts: 7,348 (3.76 posts per day)
Find all posts by Medicine*Woman
Find all threads started by Medicine*Woman.
Click on 1 of those 2 links.

[Medicine*Woman]

MW-out of fairness, I will seek those titles out, but I can't honestly say I'll be able to objectively read them. I will try. I've tried checking out your previous posts, but am too much of a novice of board navigation.
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M*W: It should be relatively easy to acquire a copy of Atwill's Caesar's Messiah. Carotta's Jesus Was Caesar was special ordered. It was written by an Italian and published in Germany. It may be harder to find. I know the Internet has a lot of stuff on Atwill, so you might start there.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Interesting. For one so fluent in the operation of this board, you are apparently unfamiliar with forms of address. MW-Hi! means Hi! to Medicine Woman Stranger-You are a silly lizard, means you are a silly lizard to you, stranger.

MW-Thanks for the info.

CutsieMarie-Simon has it more precisely, I, for example, disagree with much of Paul's new testament writings. One of my favorite verses, however, comes from the O.T. book of Micah- 6:8 to be precise. "He has shown you, Oh man, what is good, and what does the Lord require from you? But to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God." This verse sums up what I believe God actually wants us as humans to do. The golden rule fits in there quite nicely. To me, the Jews had the opportunity to have this relationship with God without sacrifice. Sacrifice was necessary for them, not God. Thus, Christ's sacrifice was truly for our sakes. That pretty well sums up my beliefs. I don't understand why I can't also believe that undetectable flying woolly mammoths create the wind. Reincarnation, Ghosts, Aliens, Evolution, M-theory, The Big Bang. They are all seperate from what I believe. When I am inconsiderate of someone else, I come into conflict with what I believe. This is known as being sinful. Invariably I feel guilty for it. I apologize to God, ask for forgiveness. He laughs and reminds me one death for all sins, try to do better. That's my experience anyway.

Back to you stranger-You still haven't told me how I have contradicted myself.

[swarm]

CutsieMarie89
You have to believe Jesus was the son of God or you aren't a Christian. There can be no variations on this point.

There have been and are xtians who do not believe Jesus was the son of god.

Of course the other xtians torture and kill them when possible as "heretics." Its called "Adoptionism."

adoptionists tend to believe that Jesus Christ was merely a man, or maybe even a special man, upon whom [god] conferred special favor or status, but that He was never a genuine Son of God.
http://www.triunegod.org/heresies/index.html

[OilIsMastery]

Saul & Job never existed.i I take it you also believe Egypt and Pharoah never existed.

[Carcano]

God is a fundamentalist.

[(Q)]

If a Christian says that the Bible is the word of God and is perfect and meant to be literal in its entirety than that Christian is hypocritical if they pick and choose. If a Christian does not believe the Bible is a perfect, direct from God document, but something that is inspired by God or attempts by different writers to relay God's messages or a document that is distorted by the culture and psychology of the people of that time, etc., then the Christian is not a hypocrite for choosing those portions that feel correct for them.

Yes, he is a hypocrite. If the document is distorted, then it is useless.

It is really very simple.

Yet, you don't get it.

To be hypocritical is to behave in ways that contradict one's beliefs. If you belief the whole thing is the literal truth, period, well you better damn well follow it word for word.
If not, not.

That's called hypocrisy, you should look up the word in a dictionary.

So, please tell us all which bits of the bible are not true and which bits are true since you appear to be the arbiter of biblical truth?

One can ask such a person how they decide which parts are literal and or true and the issue can run off into epistemological areas, but that is another issue.

Bullshit, that is the issue, idiot. If one Christian decides not to believe in a certain part of the bible while another Christian decides to believe in the same part, where is the consistency? Which part is true and which is not?

Are so blind as to not see the obvious here?

[(Q)]

So Christians really only need follow their own book.

They don't, that is exactly the point. They are hypocrites.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

swarm-interesting link. Did you notice that the site refutes the heresies point by point as well?

OilIsMastery-stranger is very selective about what he believes apparently.

Carcano-You've spoken to Him?

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Q-I couldn't resist looking at your post. More amusing venom from you. You are just so embarrassingly smallminded you can't comprehend what things are important and what are not. Consistency? Ask a cop what happens when you ask multiple witnesses to recount a series of events. You think that people who have varying political opinions will have consistent beliefs? This is the sort of thing I was telling you about. This bizarre lack of logic you have started displaying lately.

[(Q)]

Ask a cop what happens when you ask multiple witnesses to recount a series of events. You think that people who have varying political opinions will have consistent beliefs?

When you stop comparing your religious fantasies with reality, please do comment. As it stands, your points have no relevancy.

This is the sort of thing I was telling you about. This bizarre lack of logic you have started displaying lately.

Sorry, but YOU are commenting on what's logical?

http://www.smileyhut.com/laughing/rofl.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com)

[swarm]

Mr. Hamtastic
swarm-interesting link. Did you notice that the site refutes the heresies point by point as well?

So are you a triune god worshiper? I'm guessing not since you seem a protestant and most protestants don't worship the triune god.

The site "refutes it?" Well duh! Any difference of opinion is heresy and all heretics, like you, are wrong and their ideas must be refuted and if they don't recant and repent then they should be put to the sword lest their infection spread.

The killing of xtians by xtians for the heresy of not agreeing goes back to the beginning with Judas and Jesus. It is still happening today. God has got to be getting the idea you people suck by now.

[one_raven]

You have to believe Jesus was the son of God or you aren't a Christian. There can be no variations on this point.

If you are saying he is the son of God in the same way that we are all children of God and not special in any way, then I would agree.

If you are implying that in a sense that Jesus is the divine offspring of God... I will call bullshit.

Which is it?

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

I call shenanigans!

[Carico]

Q tends to start ranting about God being the authority and that Christians must listen to God. (perhaps in a past life Q was a Fire and Brimstone preacher, who knows) These non-fundamentalists do not disagree, but they do not think it is as easy as Q seems to think it is to know what God wants and has 'said'. Thus they feel there is a process via prayer and contemplation and perhaps discussions with other Christians and listening to experts – whom they choose from amongst the wide variety of churches out there.

Actually, the only "Christians" who use this process don't believe or understand the bible by themselves. So they play "telephone" and ask someone else what God said, who asks someone else what God said etc. until God's message is so unrecognizable that it has nothing to do with the bible.

True fundamentalists know that the bible is God's word. So our faith is in God not in theologians or other people to tell us what God said.

And no true Christian hates homosexuals. Inf act we love them much more than the secular world does because we want them to go to heaven. The secular world could care less whether or not homosexuals go to hell. Unfortunately, the eternal souls of homosexuals don't matter one bit to most people. :o

[StrangerInAStrangeLa]

No, you ignorant arrogant jerk. The vast majority of secularists care what happens to people, including homosexuals, much more than theists who care much more about whatever they imagine god says. Naturally they don't go around trying to prevent homosexuals from going to hell because there's no evidence of hell.

[(Q)]

True fundamentalists know that the bible is God's word. So our faith is in God not in theologians or other people to tell us what God said.

It would appear that we have a Christian in our midst, that is, if this person truly does follow the bible to the letter. Do you, Carico?

[Carico]

No, you ignorant arrogant jerk. The vast majority of secularists care what happens to people, including homosexuals, much more than theists who care much more about whatever they imagine god says. Naturally they don't go around trying to prevent homosexuals from going to hell because there's no evidence of hell.

Since your way of caring about homosexuals is the same way that people who give alcoholics a drink care about alcoholics, then you're sending them right to everlasting death on the quickest way possible for them. :rolleyes:

[Simon Anders]

Actually, the only "Christians" who use this process don't believe or understand the bible by themselves. So they play "telephone" and ask someone else what God said, who asks someone else what God said etc. until God's message is so unrecognizable that it has nothing to do with the bible. The Bible is the produce of several telephone games. But I am glad you are here. You are what Q would call a true Christian and thus someone he is afraid of and has problems with. It would be good if you two could work on your differences.

True fundamentalists know that the bible is God's word. So our faith is in God not in theologians or other people to tell us what God said.
You do realize that before they died the writer's of the Bible were human, in fact, essentially, they were theologians. Dead theologians become God seems to be a common theory. It is held by many people around political issues also. That old adage that a Conservative worships a dead radical is an irony that seems to escape far too many people.

And no true Christian hates homosexuals. Inf act we love them much more than the secular world does because we want them to go to heaven. The secular world could care less whether or not homosexuals go to hell. Unfortunately, the eternal souls of homosexuals don't matter one bit to most people. :o Love is an easy word to use. Many people are blissfully unaware of how little the word relates to their vibe.

[Simon Anders]

Since your way of caring about homosexuals is the same way that people who give alcoholics a drink care about alcoholics, then you're sending them right to everlasting death on the quickest way possible for them. :rolleyes:You are confusing a thought in your head with an emotion.

[(Q)]

You are what Q would call a true Christian and thus someone he is afraid of and has problems with. It would be good if you two could work on your differences.

Wtf are you on about? Why would I be afraid of Christians, that's just stupid, pal. Theists are people, usually good people under the influence of a bad ideology. If anything, it is the religious ideologies we must fear as they tend to do more harm than good to mankind.

I suppose that also means you're reading my posts, but won't answer any questions? :rolleyes:

[JDawg]

Carico has been reported for homophobic comments.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

LOL You reported Carico for Homophobic comments? Shall we report Q for making anti-theist comments?

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Wait. Carico told skinwalker to fuck off in a pm? lol Carico, you so silly! Don't fuck off the mods, you goose!

[CutsieMarie89]

If you are saying he is the son of God in the same way that we are all children of God and not special in any way, then I would agree.

If you are implying that in a sense that Jesus is the divine offspring of God... I will call bullshit.

Which is it?

You have to believe Jesus is/was the actual son of God, he is divine, part of the holy trinity "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit". If you don't believe that you aren't a Christian, that's why the Jewish aren't Christian. That's what I was taught in the Christian Schools I went to from 1st to 7th grade anyway. Christianity is centered around Jesus being Lord and Savior if you don't believe that then you would not make a very good Christian, maybe some sort of variation, but not Christian.

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You have to believe Jesus is/was the actual son of God, he is divine, part of the holy trinity "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit".

Actually that is just what your particular cult taught. There are xtians who don't believe Jesus was the son of god or divine, they think he was just a man god adopted for a special mission (adoptionists - they tend to get killed as "heretics"), and there are a lot of xtians who don't believe in the holy trinity, in particular a lot of protestants don't (they and the catholics and trinity believing protestants like to kill each other over this heresy).

Basically you can pick about anything you think is a core belief and there is a xtian cult some where that disagrees. Gnostics for example think your previous cult's god is actually just an evil demi-urge.