Biomarkers Observed Contaminating Abiotic Oil

[OilIsMastery]

Tiny Organisms Feast On Oil Thousands Of Feet Below Bottom Of Sea

ScienceDaily (Oct. 1, 2008) — Thousands of feet below the bottom of the sea, off the shores of Santa Barbara, single-celled organisms are busy feasting on oil.

Until now, nobody knew how many oily compounds were being devoured by the microscopic creatures, but new research led by David Valentine of UC Santa Barbara and Chris Reddy of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts has shed new light on just how extensive their diet can be.

In a report to be published in the Oct. 1 edition of the journal Environmental Science & Technology, Valentine, Reddy, lead author George Wardlaw of UCSB, and three other co-authors detail how the microbes are dining on thousands of compounds that make up the oil seeping from the sea floor.

"It takes a special organism to live half a mile deep in the Earth and eat oil for a living," said Valentine, an associate professor of earth science at UCSB. "There's this incredibly complex diet for organisms down there eating the oil. It's like a buffet."

And, the researchers found, there may be one other byproduct being produced by all of this munching on oil - natural gas. "They're eating the oil, and probably making natural gas out of it," Valentine said. "It's actually a whole consortium of organisms - some that are eating the oil and producing intermediate products, and then those intermediate products are converted by another group to natural gas."

Reddy, a marine chemist at Woods Hole, said the research provides important new clues in the study of petroleum. "The biggest surprise was that microbes living without oxygen could eat so many compounds that compose crude oil," Reddy said. "Prior to this study, only a handful of compounds were shown, mostly in laboratory studies, to be degraded anaerobically. This is a major leap forward in understanding petroleum geochemistry and microbiology."
Link (http://oilismastery.blogspot.com/)

It's a major leap forward for everyone except the religious fanatics who are about to reply to this thread.

[pjdude1219]

No where does it state how the oil came about. No where were biomarkers ever mentioned. Another attempt of a moron trying to spin real science to support bullshit.

[OilIsMastery]

No where does it state how the oil came about.
They are too timid to publish the implications.

No where were biomarkers ever mentioned.
Do you know what a single-celled organism is?

Another attempt of a moron trying to spin real science to support bullshit.
That's the most rational and scientific argument for 20th century mythology I've ever seen.

[pjdude1219]

They are too timid to publish the implications. Right?


Do you know what a single-celled organism is?yes


That's the most rational and scientific argument for 20th century mythology I've ever seen.
The only one here believing a myth is you. I have tried to look up abiotic oil. There is shit for evidence. I cannot find enough credible evidence to consider it a valid theory.

[spidergoat]

Dude, why bother.

[pjdude1219]

Dude, why bother.

For the same reason people poke caged animals with a stick.

[OilIsMastery]

This is a major leap forward in understanding petroleum geochemistry and microbiology.
They should have qualified this statement. It's a major leap forward for everyone except the 20th century religious fanatics posting above.

[pjdude1219]

Did anyone catch the line that mentioned natural gas creation. Which I believe is a hydrocarbon. It was created through biogenic means. What is it with people not reading their own damn sources.

[OilIsMastery]

Did anyone catch the line that mentioned natural gas creation. Which I believe is a hydrocarbon. It was created through biogenic means. What is it with people not reading their own damn sources.
LOL.

You missed the important part. Abiotic oil is being contaminated by the organisms and broken down into methane and (much more importantly) "intermediate products."

[pjdude1219]

LOL.

You missed the important part. Abiotic oil is being contaminated by the organisms and broken down into methane and (much more importantly) "intermediate products."

I didn't miss shit. Your trying to say the article says that oil is abiotic which it doesn't. Try learning how to read.

[OilIsMastery]

All oil is abiotic: http://www.gasresources.net/DisposalBioClaims.htm

"All major oil and gas provinces in the world are apparently associated with transtensive tectonic conditions, supporting the abiogenic theory of petroleum." -- Karsten M. Storetvedt, geophysicist, August 2008

"The modern theory of the abiotic deep petroleum origins recognizes that petroleum is a primordial material of deep origin which has been erupted into the crust of the Earth. In short, petroleum is not a 'fossil fuel' and has no intrinsic connection with any biological detritus 'in the sediments'." -- Vladimir A. Kutcherov, geologist, August 2008

[pjdude1219]

Wow the same fucking disproven crack pots again. You can quote your morons all you want still doesn't make it true. Oil companies themselves admit they find oil based on the biogenic theory. Every attempt to find oil according to the abiotic theory has failed. The only way this article proves that abiotic oil is real is if you assume that all oil is abiotic.

[OilIsMastery]

Wow the same fucking disproven crack pots again. You can quote your morons all you want still doesn't make it true. Oil companies themselves admit they find oil based on the biogenic theory. Every attempt to find oil according to the abiotic theory has failed. The only way this article proves that abiotic oil is real is if you assume that all oil is abiotic.
Your religious fanaticism reminds me of Tomas De Torquemada.

[pjdude1219]

Your religious fanaticism reminds me of Tomas De Torquemada.

the only fanatic is you dipstick

[CheskiChips]

Do they know of specific byproducts? I would assume the byproduct would be minimal...but what happens after a long period of time...such that the supply is depleted?

[Roman]

So they turn useful hydrocarbons into methane.... I'm not really sure what the big deal is, other than that they're ruining all that oil.

[OilIsMastery]

what happens after a long period of time...such that the supply is depleted?
It's impossible to deplete an infinite resource.

[CheskiChips]

It's impossible to deplete an infinite resource.

It's possible to deplete local resources.

[OilIsMastery]

It's possible to deplete local resources.
I'm not sure about that. I don't believe that.

"The idea of finiteness is a prejudice and it is not supported by available facts. Incredible as it may seem, the term "finite" is not only inappropriate, it is downright misleading when applied to natural resources." -- Julian L. Simon, economist, 1997

[CheskiChips]

Fine then; don't tell me the byproducts.

[Repo Man]

It's impossible to deplete an infinite resource.

This really ought to be bannable. Trippy completely demolished this assertion, and here you are making it again. No matter the origin of crude oil it is not infinite.

[OilIsMastery]

This really ought to be bannable.
Ja mein Kamarade. Ban all those who oppose orthodox fascist dogma.

No matter the origin of crude oil it is not infinite.
"Hydrocarbons can be re-defined as a 'renewable resource, rather than a finite one' (Gurney 1997)" -- Peter R. Odell, economist/geologist, 2004

[Repo Man]

Ja mein Kamarade. Ban all those who oppose orthodox fascist dogma.

No, ban the mentally unstable who keep reasserting the same 2+2=5 mantra no matter how many times it's been proven false.


"Hydrocarbons can be re-defined as a 'renewable resource, rather than a finite one' (Gurney 1997)" -- Peter R. Odell, economist/geologist, 2004

Giving this argument from authority quote the benefit of the doubt for just a moment, a renewable resource is far from an infinite one. Redwood trees are a renewable resource; one that has been badly depleted, and whose recovery is very slow by the human measure of time. If you deplete a renewable resource at a rate faster than it's capable of recovering, it's still gone. As Syszygys has pointed out to you many times.

[OilIsMastery]

Good luck depleting hydrogen and carbon. You'll probably need another 100 billion Chinas to make a dent.

[Repo Man]

Good luck depleting hydrogen and carbon. You'll probably need another 100 billion Chinas to make a dent.

So you're conceding oil isn't an "infinite" resource?

[ElectricFetus]

I rather take my chances trying to deplete sunlight.

[OilIsMastery]

"The great oil shortage is like the horizon, always receding as one moves toward it." -- Morris A. Adelman, economist, 1991

[Repo Man]

"The great oil shortage is like the horizon, always receding as one moves toward it." -- Morris A. Adelman, economist, 1991

So, you're conceding that crude oil is not an infinite resource? Or are you utterly incapable of admitting that you are in error?

[OilIsMastery]

"Hydrocarbons can be re-defined as a 'renewable resource, rather than a finite one' (Gurney 1997)" -- Peter R. Odell, economist/geologist, 2004

[Repo Man]

"Hydrocarbons can be re-defined as a 'renewable resource, rather than a finite one' (Gurney 1997)" -- Peter R. Odell, economist/geologist, 2004

"Fuck you" - Repo Man, 2008.

[OilIsMastery]

"Fuck you" - Repo Man, 2008.
Fuck you is not a scientific argument.

[Repo Man]

Fuck you is not a scientific argument.

"If someone insists that the Moon is made out of green cheese, you don't argue with them; you feel sorry for them." - Bertrand Russell

[Hercules Rockefeller]

"My cat's breath smells like cat food." - Ralph Wiggum


(It's no less valuable than OiM's other quotations offered as "evidence".)

[Steve100]

Wind energy is defined as a renewable resource, but it will run out as soon as our atmosphere disappears.

[rpenner]

This is not happening in the bulk oil but as the digestion of a marine oil seep.

George D. Wardlaw, J. Samuel Arey, Christopher M. Reddy, Robert K. Nelson, G. Todd Ventura, and David L. Valentine "Disentangling Oil Weathering at a Marine Seep Using GC×GC: Broad Metabolic Specificity Accompanies Subsurface Petroleum Biodegradation" Environmental Science & Technology 42 (19) 7166-7173 (Oct 1, 2008)

Natural seeps contribute nearly half of the oil entering the coastal ocean. However, environmental fate studies generally monitor fewer than 5% of these petroleum compounds. Hence, the rates and relevance of physical, chemical, and biological weathering processes are unknown for the large majority of hydrocarbons, both released from natural seeps and also from human activities. To investigate the specific compositional changes occurring in petroleum during subsurface degradation and submarine seepage, we studied the natural oil seeps offshore Santa Barbara, California with comprehensive, two-dimensional gas chromatography (GC×GC). With this technique, we quantified changes in the molecular diversity and abundance of hydrocarbons between subsurface reservoirs, a proximal sea floor seep, and the sea surface overlying the seep. We also developed methods to apportion hydrocarbon mass losses due to biodegradation, dissolution, and evaporation, for hundreds of tracked compounds that ascended from the subsurface to the sea floor to the sea surface. The results provide the first quantitative evidence of broad metabolic specificity for anaerobic hydrocarbon degradation in the subsurface and reveal new trends of rapid hydrocarbon evaporation at the sea surface. This study establishes GC×GC as a powerful technique for differentiating biological and physical weathering processes of complex mixtures at a molecular level.
http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/esthag/2008/42/i19/abs/es8013908.html

[OilIsMastery]

This is not happening in the bulk oil but as the digestion of a marine oil seep.
That is not a scientific conclusion; that is a religious prejudice.

environmental fate studies generally monitor fewer than 5% of these petroleum compounds. Hence, the rates and relevance of physical, chemical, and biological weathering processes are unknown

[rpenner]

It's your article -- I just dug up the scientific paper instead of having to rely on the press release and quote mining.

[OilIsMastery]

It's your article -- I just dug up the scientific paper instead of having to rely on the press release and quote mining.
The article is fine. There's nothing wrong with the article. It's your personal interpretation and conclusion that are wrong.

[pjdude1219]

The article is fine. There's nothing wrong with the article. It's your personal interpretation and conclusion that are wrong.

Except he isn't interperting anything just stating the scientific facts that are known.

[Vkothii]

Woah, let's not confuse the poor guy's brain with "scientific facts", fer chrissakes.

[OilIsMastery]

Woah, let's not confuse the poor guy's brain with "scientific facts", fer chrissakes.
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2033465&postcount=7

[Trippy]

"Hydrocarbons can be re-defined as a 'renewable resource, rather than a finite one' (Gurney 1997)" -- Peter R. Odell, economist/geologist, 2004

Even if we concede that Oil is Abiotic and renewable, that doesn' make it infinite.

Water is clearly a renewable resource, but as anyone who's farmed arid areas that rely on water allocations for irrigation knows.

It is certainly not an infinite resource.

Renewable does not mean infinite, they're two different words.

This is the basic point you failed to comprehend in the debate thread "The origin of Oil is irrelevant".

You still have not answered any of the basic questions.

At what rate is Oil produced?
At what rate are oil resivoirs refilled?
How wide spread is the production of oil?

Given that the FT-type processes require carbonates, how do you propose to resupply the carbonates in the mantle without Subduction?

Carbon escapes the mantle as Carbon dioxide, and various carbonate minerals, not to mention it's native forms.

But how do you plan to replace this escaping carbon without tectonics, espcially when one factors into account that you have explicitly claimed that EMST produces Iron in the core.

[OilIsMastery]

At what rate is Oil produced?
Some have said in as little as 3 years but in a lab in doesn't take anywhere near that long.

At what rate are oil resivoirs refilled?
Some have said in as little as 3 years.

How wide spread is the production of oil?
It's universal. Hydrogen is the most common chemical element in the universe and carbon is the fouth most common chemical element in the universe.

Given that the FT-type processes require carbonates, how do you propose to resupply the carbonates in the mantle without Subduction?
Carbonatites are carbon of obvious mantle origin as is diamond and graphite.

Carbon escapes the mantle as Carbon dioxide, and various carbonate minerals, not to mention it's native forms.
There is your mantle carbon.

But how do you plan to replace this escaping carbon without tectonics, espcially when one factors into account that you have explicitly claimed that EMST produces Iron in the core.
Nuclear reactions. Why does carbon need to be replaced? I thought you think there is too much of it?

[Trippy]

OIM.

While you're at it, perhaps you'd care to explain to us why you think it is that microbes can break complicated hydrocarbons down into simpler ones, but can't break complicated biological molecules down into simpler molecules (such as Hydrocarbons)?

[Trippy]

Some have said in as little as 3 years but in a lab in doesn't take anywhere near that long.
No, you're misrepresenting the facts there. You're refering to the Mexican Oilfields, and they did not refill in 3 years, there was, however, over a three year period an influx of older oil.

This is a substantialy different thing.

Some have said in as little as 3 years.
See above.


It's universal. Hydrogen is the most common chemical element in the universe and carbon is the fouth most common chemical element in the universe.
This does not answer the question.

Carbonatites are carbon of obvious mantle origin as is diamond and graphite.
Carbonatites are magmas with a high carbonate content.
And this still does not answer the question.

There is your mantle carbon.
Again, stating the obvious doesn't answer the question.

Why does carbon need to be replaced? I thought you think there is too much of it?

Again, either you're being dishonest, or one must question your reading comprehension skills.

This is not the argument that I made.
And as to why the carbon must be replaced, I thought that was obvious?
If it's escaping as Oil, Gases, and in it's native form, and there's no mechanism for putting it back in the mantle, then clearly the oil we have here on earth is neither infinite, nor renewable.

Therefore, state your proposed mechanism for repleneshing the mantles supply of Carbon.

[OilIsMastery]

http://aapg.confex.com/aapg/2007int/techprogram/A112575.htm

In the context of Excess Mass Stress Tectonics – EMST, hydrocarbons are energy sources produced abiotically through a process whereby hydrogen and carbon, but also oxygen, nitrogen, sulphur and trace-elements being formed in the Earth's core, rise through radial fracture trails in the solid and cold mantle to the Earth's surface. If their rise is blocked compose bigger compounds, e.g., kerogen, that can transform by radiant heat in the upper 5 km or so of the Earth's interior, into gas, oil and coal, at temperatures <200, 100-50, and <50oC, respectively. In the absence of trapping and/or above 200oC, the temperature at which porphyrins are destroyed, they are released as methane gas, like in Titan today, and/or are fully oxidized to CO2 and H2O. Oil and gas reserves mature in basins adjacent to deformed precambrian shields and platforms, mostly during the last 200 m.y., when wide and deep oceans and a complex pattern of uplifts and sedimentary basins developed, thus providing the reservoirs and the structural and/or stratigraphic traps. They associate with moderate seismic and volcanic activity, free-air gravity, geoidal, and heat flow anomalies, and large igneous provinces, i.e., Excess Mass. Depending on the temperature gradient and in the absence of migration, gas, oil and coal should be found at greater, intermediate, and shallower depths, respectively. For example, with 200oC at 4 km depth, temperature gradient 50oC/km, thermal conductivity 2 W/m.oC, and heat flow 100 mW/m2 gas, oil, and coal should be found at about 3, <2, and <1 km, respectively.
What part of "being formed in the Earth's core" don't you understand?

[Vkothii]

A couple of simple questions for you to ignore, OIM, old coalburner:

i) How are elements such as oxygen, nitrogen, sulphur etc, formed in the Earth's core? What's the process?
ii) How many geologists who claim excess mass creates hydrocarbons, are being hired by oil companies?
iii) Do you know what "free-air gravity" is?

[OilIsMastery]

A couple of simple questions for you to ignore, OIM, old coalburner:

i) How are elements such as oxygen, nitrogen, sulphur etc, formed in the Earth's core? What's the process?
Hi Coal, via nuclear reactions.

ii) How many geologists who claim excess mass creates hydrocarbons, are being hired by oil companies?
Well considering the International Geological Congress was sponsored by StatoilHydro and the link is a Brazilian government (read Petrobras) website I would say all of them: http://www.cprm.gov.br/33IGC/1284024.html

iii) Do you know what "free-air gravity" is?
No clue.