Where does fascism fit on the left vs right?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Norsefire, Sep 29, 2008.

  1. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Or if we say, on the conservative vs liberal? It is a category of its own, isn't it?

    Fascism isn't conservative, in fact it is revolutionary; it is for change. However it isn't liberal change, so is fascism a separate category?

    On the left vs right, the reason is because fascist economic policies are actually very left wing; if "right wing" social policies oppose change, then fascism cannot be right wing, because fascism implements its own form of change.
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Far right.
     
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  5. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Can you say it is conservative though?


    Economically isn't fascism far left? And how is it far right socially if it does not oppose change?
     
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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Conservatism isn't conservative. It's right because it entails strong central control, limited freedom, patriotic propaganda, limited support for intellectualism and the arts...
     
  8. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Geez, you make it sound so bad when you say it like that
     
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It is bad (fascism, not true conservatism).
     
  10. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    In your opinion. Anyway I wasn't asking whether or not you thought it was "bad"

    According to results, Fascism works better than anything else
     
  11. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    Fascism is so far right it's almost left. Just like communism is so far left it's almost right. That's how I see it. In fascim's effort to attain social order they change society quite a bit (change is more of a leftist thing). Communism in it's effort to make everyone equal restrict people and their freedoms (which is more of a rightist thing to do). idk
     
  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Fascism is like a monarchy without hereditary succession. It would be great except that the leader isn't always the best person for the job, and then you are stuck with them. Democracy was intended to correct that.
     
  13. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    What about an autocratic democracy?

    A democratic system in which the leader has absolute, or near absolute, power

    Democracy isn't bad; but constitutions are, they limit the potential of totalitarian democracies.
     
  14. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    apart from everything else you have every written there is something in that last line that may actually be worth debating.

    The english dont actually have a written consitution and all power rests in the parliment to make whatever laws they see fit with NO restrictions.

    The US is the oposite with a very limiting consitution

    Ours is somewhere in the middle and mainly limits the federal goverments areas of responcability in state area's with only one right for the people in the whole document. "The right to free travel and trade between the states shall not be inpinged"
     
  15. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Now that is smart

    Constitution should only protect human and civil rights, for instance to free speech

    Not government power.
     
  16. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Not a fan of property rights then? Or do they fall under your definition of human rights?
     
  17. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    That depends on economic system; I am a free market socialist.
     
  18. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Erm.. how does that work exactly?
     
  19. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    I believe that the government should provide services and welfare to the people, to ensure that there is a standard

    However I also believe people should be allowed to privatize if they wish. Competition never hurts.

    The US economic system basically describes my economic opinions; the US government provides welfare but it is free market.
     
  20. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    ops ashura your right, i dont know where it is in the consitution but it does say something about conpulserary goverment siezure of private property and that it must be done "on just terms"

    Also just because there isnt a huge level of written rights in the consitution doesnt mean they arent there in common law and in the statutes

    for instance
    Evans v State of New South Wales.
     
  21. RubiksMaster Real eyes realize real lies Registered Senior Member

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    To the original question, the only thing that makes sense is to make a scale with no government on one end, and 100% government on the other end. (100% government would be one that controls every aspect of your life).

    So on one end you would have anarchy. Somewhere near the other end you would have fascism. But, imagine if there really were an anarchy. The single person with the most powerful guns would soon rise to power. In that way, it would almost instantly jump from 0%-100%.

    Thus, the scale can't be a line, but instead has to be a circle.

    The things you say in this thread - I can't tell whether or not you're actually serious.
     
  22. Scott Free Registered Member

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    That's great!

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    you should add "with a passion for fascism."

    With a resume like that who wouldn't vote for you? Oh wait... forget it...
     
  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Fascism might be conservative in a country with a long tradition of fascistic government.

    The distinctive feature of fascist government, in contrast to other forms of totalitarian authority, is its putting capitalistic industrial corporations, an oligarchy of businessmen or a dictator they control, in power as the State. That is what makes it "far right" - the predominance of capital and business over government, rather than the other way around ("left").

    The US has always been much closer to Fascism than Bolshevism, say.
     

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