Here's a great new religion!

[Norsefire]

I've been developing a relligion focused mainly on Humanity, and the superiority and power of the Human will


What to call it? I can't call it humanism. There are a few of the moral aspects of the other faiths incorporated in, but not literally. There is also a similarity with Nietzsche's "uberman" concept

The Tenets of my religion:

1] Humanity and the Human will is before all else
2] Humanity is the epitomy of all life

3] All other lifes' sole purpose is to serve the Human will
4] The elite make their own moral decisions
5] Pity and tolerance for the weak is foolish and restricitive upon the Human will

6] (No stance given on the supernatural, but...) ...Humanity first, mysticism and the belief in the supernatural is detrimenal to Human willpower
7] Humanity controls its own destiny

8] Human superiority shall be praised

9] The strong-willed, ambitious, and competent come before the weak, foolish, and pathetic
10] The weak and pathetic of Humanity live to serve the strong-willed and competent
- Confidence, willpower, and a sharp mind are the epitomy of a Human

11] Human will must be satisfied at all costs
12] Morality, of the self and of society, is relative to their respective goals

13] There shall be a personal goal and a social goal, of Humanity as a whole
14] They must not conflict in any way
15] Human unity first and foremost
- Social unity of goal, mind, loyalty, and identity absolutely key to Human achievement

16] Sacrifices in the name of unified Human will is justified

17] Power and status must be earned
18] In relation to other fellow Humans, be unified upon your common goal, protect integrity, and pursue that goal; show loyalty and act in a manner beneficial to Humanity

19] He who earns absolute power, given willingly by social consensus, is beyond Human, but now a god

[Challenger78]

Anyone who is moral cannot allow the weak, foolish and the pathetic to serve them,without feeling guilt.

I suggest you go read Utopia. One thing is the putting of natural pleasure before man made pleasure at all costs.

[Simon Anders]

I've been developing a relligion focused mainly on Humanity, and the superiority and power of the Human will


What to call it? I can't call it humanism. There are a few of the moral aspects of the other faiths incorporated in, but not literally. There is also a similarity with Nietzsche's "uberman" concept

The Tenets of my religion:

1] Humanity and the Human will is before all else
2] Humanity is the epitomy of all life

3] All other lifes' sole purpose is to serve the Human will
4] The elite make their own moral decisions
5] Pity and tolerance for the weak is foolish and restricitive upon the Human will

6] (No stance given on the supernatural, but...) ...Humanity first, mysticism and the belief in the supernatural is detrimenal to Human willpower
7] Humanity controls its own destiny

8] Human superiority shall be praised

9] The strong-willed, ambitious, and competent come before the weak, foolish, and pathetic
10] The weak and pathetic of Humanity live to serve the strong-willed and competent
- Confidence, willpower, and a sharp mind are the epitomy of a Human

11] Human will must be satisfied at all costs
12] Morality, of the self and of society, is relative to their respective goals

13] There shall be a personal goal and a social goal, of Humanity as a whole
14] They must not conflict in any way
15] Human unity first and foremost
- Social unity of goal, mind, loyalty, and identity absolutely key to Human achievement

16] Sacrifices in the name of unified Human will is justified

17] Power and status must be earned
18] In relation to other fellow Humans, be unified upon your common goal, protect integrity, and pursue that goal; show loyalty and act in a manner beneficial to Humanity

19] He who earns absolute power, given willingly by social consensus, is beyond Human, but now a god
There is no need for proclamatins of this sort. If it would work it would have happened since the 'superior' people would be clever enough to set it up directly without having to convince anyone.

[lightgigantic]

so what is it exactly about humans that unifies them, since they all come from different cultures, geographies, and have different physical make ups and abilities etc etc.

.... I'm afraid this would be an even more watered down version of the united nations - all you could achieve is the sticking up of ever increasing flags out the front of headquarters (while nations continually fracture into ever decreasing shrinking denominations ...)

[Norsefire]

Anyone who is moral cannot allow the weak, foolish and the pathetic to serve them,without feeling guilt. In your opinion.

There is no need for proclamatins of this sort. If it would work it would have happened since the 'superior' people would be clever enough to set it up directly without having to convince anyone.

It hasn't happened because of silly beauracracy and unduly pity for the pathetic. Foget about them, they are mere tools.

The elite should be served (everyone should have the opportunity to become part of the elite however); we need standards, and HUMANITY FIRST

The weak follow, the strong lead

[Betrayer0fHope]

Ooh, you went wrong at "religion"

One man is far superior to all of us, do we all bow down to him? Or is there some cut off point of superiorness?

[JDawg]

Ridiculous.

[Norsefire]

Ridiculous.

How?

There is no supernatural involved at all. In fact it's pro Humanity

[Non-Logical-Idea-Guy]

I've been developing a relligion focused mainly on Humanity, and the superiority and power of the Human will


What to call it? I can't call it humanism. There are a few of the moral aspects of the other faiths incorporated in, but not literally. There is also a similarity with Nietzsche's "uberman" concept

The Tenets of my religion:

1] Humanity and the Human will is before all else
2] Humanity is the epitomy of all life

3] All other lifes' sole purpose is to serve the Human will
4] The elite make their own moral decisions
5] Pity and tolerance for the weak is foolish and restricitive upon the Human will

6] (No stance given on the supernatural, but...) ...Humanity first, mysticism and the belief in the supernatural is detrimenal to Human willpower
7] Humanity controls its own destiny

8] Human superiority shall be praised

9] The strong-willed, ambitious, and competent come before the weak, foolish, and pathetic
10] The weak and pathetic of Humanity live to serve the strong-willed and competent
- Confidence, willpower, and a sharp mind are the epitomy of a Human

11] Human will must be satisfied at all costs
12] Morality, of the self and of society, is relative to their respective goals

13] There shall be a personal goal and a social goal, of Humanity as a whole
14] They must not conflict in any way
15] Human unity first and foremost
- Social unity of goal, mind, loyalty, and identity absolutely key to Human achievement

16] Sacrifices in the name of unified Human will is justified

17] Power and status must be earned
18] In relation to other fellow Humans, be unified upon your common goal, protect integrity, and pursue that goal; show loyalty and act in a manner beneficial to Humanity

19] He who earns absolute power, given willingly by social consensus, is beyond Human, but now a god


Interesting, it seems we may be more similar than I had originally thought. I like most of the ideas, however I do not believe humanity can be 'unified' without a full scale conflict from which only a small, 'like minded' portion of humanity remained.

I to do not feel the weak shoudl be pitied, however I do not see how this could work in practice. Who decides who's weak? The strong people? And who do the strong people come first to? Do the strong people in powerful positions attempt to raise up the stong people who are being what could be described as 'oppressed' be the weak peoples beaurocracy? Would the system rely on some kind of patronage where the strong are plucked from the weak by the strong?

I like most of the ideas. However I can only see it ever happening if the worlds population sharnk to about an eighth of its current size.

[Betrayer0fHope]

Apparently we can work out the problems later, but first we must agree on this.

[Non-Logical-Idea-Guy]

Apparently we can work out the problems later, but first we must agree on this.

On what? :S

[Betrayer0fHope]

We have to agree with Norsefire. And I'm still wondering, is this a communist thing, where all the intellectuals are equal or a dictatorship, where we all worship the smartest man.

[Non-Logical-Idea-Guy]

I was thinking of it like some sort of Elizabethan patronage system. Whereby the smartest person is at the top through domination of the other smart (but less smart than the top smart person) people, The top smart person then achieves their loyalty through reward. These rewarded elite then reward some lesser smart peopl and so on and so on until you come to the lowest smart person whose job is to keep the morons doing whatever the hell they're doing. The morons need to be alive though otherwise this system will not work.

It's a bit feudal but it would have carried on working for centuries if it wasnt for the goddamn rennaissance lol :P

[PsychoticEpisode]

One tenet missing...

20)Only applicable on a watery spheroid circling a rare main sequence star somewhere out on a spiral arm of a huge galaxy in a remote corner of the universe.

[Non-Logical-Idea-Guy]

One tenet missing...

20)Only applicable on a watery spheroid circling a rare main sequence star somewhere out on a spiral arm of a huge galaxy in a remote corner of the universe.

/clap? :shrug:

[Norsefire]

One tenet missing...

20)Only applicable on a watery spheroid circling a rare main sequence star somewhere out on a spiral arm of a huge galaxy in a remote corner of the universe.

Doesn't that describe Earth?

[Betrayer0fHope]

Proof that we're in a corner needed.

[Non-Logical-Idea-Guy]

I think he was trying to be funny :D
It didnt work :D

[PsychoticEpisode]

Not knowing what else is out there kind of limits your power base. The religion is not universal unless you can prove that in all the cosmos that we are the epitome of living creatures. Heaven forbid that when or if we are ever face to face with an intelligence and potency far exceeding ours that you would join the ranks of the weak and pathetic and serve your Masters. I think what you're proposing is hilarious though.

[Non-Logical-Idea-Guy]

I think norsefire wrongly tagged this as a religion. I simple see it as a philosophy by which to run the earth.

[PsychoticEpisode]

I think norsefire wrongly tagged this as a religion. I simple see it as a philosophy by which to run the earth.

I can't believe he is serious but there are people who would follow it.

[Non-Logical-Idea-Guy]

I like the ideology, I understand it would probably never work in practice, instead of mocking it with "i cant believe" 's why don't you bother to actually defeat the idea with logic and rational argument.

[PsychoticEpisode]

I like the ideology, I understand it would probably never work in practice, instead of mocking it with "i cant believe" 's why don't you bother to actually defeat the idea with logic and rational argument.

I'll give it some thought but Norsefire doesn't come off as someone who would give a shit. I like Norsefire, don't get me wrong. He reminds me of me in some ways. Take a topic, throw a wrench into it and see what comes out the other end. I like outside-the-box thinking but you have to be careful of where the line in the sand is. I think he's a young guy/gal just trying to stimulate people into seeing something different. I play that game too, so I feel guilty trying to prove him wrong because I can see what he's doing. I like to see the eventual outcome myself so I generally stay out of Norsefire posts except for the odd snippet or two. No disrespect intended.

Anyway, can you work out a religion that includes golf. Heading out to play a round right now.

[Michelle Redford]

Nice idea, but that's not religion in my opinion. It's just a way of life, a philosophy.

[CheskiChips]

Add some eugenics in there and when you rise to power you've got a good holocaust brewing.

[Non-Logical-Idea-Guy]

Add some eugenics in there and when you rise to power you've got a good holocaust brewing.

Eugenics is not always as bad or extreme as hitler made it seem.

[Medicine*Woman]

Add some eugenics in there and when you rise to power you've got a good holocaust brewing.

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M*W: Christians are to blame for the Holocaust.

[Betrayer0fHope]

No, the Jews are because they just had to be inferior.

[Norsefire]

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M*W: Christians are to blame for the Holocaust.

How so? Hitler was an atheist.

Yes, yes, he made mention of the "Almighty Creator" and all of that, but he didn't actually believe in it, he just saw its value as a tool.

To support this conclusion, this:

Hitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but after he left home, he never attended Mass or received the sacraments,[246] Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and professed a belief in Jesus Christ.[247] In his speeches and publications Hitler spoke of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."[248][249] His private statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but critical of traditional Christianity.[250] However, in contrast to early Nazi ideologues, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or Ariosophy,[250] and ridiculed such beliefs in Mein Kampf.[251][252] Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity",[251][253] a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and which reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.
This sounds alot like interest in it as a tool

Hitler believed in Arthur de Gobineau's ideas of struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race"—guided by "Providence"—was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization. In Hitler's conception Jews were enemies of all civilization.

Hitler, despite his native Catholicism, favored aspects of Protestantism if they were more amenable to his own objectives. At the same time, he adopted some elements of the Catholic Church's hierarchical organization, liturgy and phraseology in his politics.[254][255]

Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition. According to one confidant, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness..."[256]

source: wikipedia


He was obviously only interested in it as a tool

[azriel]

Not knowing what else is out there kind of limits your power base. The religion is not universal unless you can prove that in all the cosmos that we are the epitome of living creatures. Heaven forbid that when or if we are ever face to face with an intelligence and potency far exceeding ours that you would join the ranks of the weak and pathetic and serve your Masters. I think what you're proposing is hilarious though.

Interesting, so by your philosophy if I'm more powerful or intelligent than you (an obvious give in) then you would serve me, and if the weak are not to be pitied ,once I tire of your lack of significance then I could merely dispose of you because you serve very little purpose to the common superiority of humanity. That works for me, the only good fool is a dead fool. You should be a politician you can speak out of both sides of your face pretty well.

[Medicine*Woman]

No, the Jews are because they just had to be inferior.*************
M*W: What makes you think the Jews were inferior!

[James R]

The Tenets of my religion:

1] Humanity and the Human will is before all else

Why?

2] Humanity is the epitomy of all life

You'll need to provide some evidence of that before I'll adopt your "religion".

3] All other lifes' sole purpose is to serve the Human will

Doesn't seem to be true, just as a matter of observed fact.

4] The elite make their own moral decisions

Everybody makes their own moral decisions.

5] Pity and tolerance for the weak is foolish and restricitive upon the Human will

I'd say is is empowering for the weak and foolish, at the very least.

6] (No stance given on the supernatural, but...) ...Humanity first, mysticism and the belief in the supernatural is detrimenal to Human willpower

Why?

7] Humanity controls its own destiny

Clearly, there are plenty of natural forces far more powerful than anything humans can do.

8] Human superiority shall be praised

By humans? So, this is a self-importance club then, is it?

9] The strong-willed, ambitious, and competent come before the weak, foolish, and pathetic

"Come before" in what way?

10] The weak and pathetic of Humanity live to serve the strong-willed and competent

But they don't, as a matter of observed fact.

11] Human will must be satisfied at all costs

But not the will of the weak and pathetic, apparently.

Now you're contradicting yourself.

12] Morality, of the self and of society, is relative to their respective goals

Don't know what this means.

13] There shall be a personal goal and a social goal, of Humanity as a whole
14] They must not conflict in any way

Are you going to enforce that? How?

15] Human unity first and foremost
- Social unity of goal, mind, loyalty, and identity absolutely key to Human achievement

Who sets the goal? You enforces loyalty? Who does the mind meld?

16] Sacrifices in the name of unified Human will is justified

Sacrifices of whom? By whom?

17] Power and status must be earned

How?

18] In relation to other fellow Humans, be unified upon your common goal, protect integrity, and pursue that goal; show loyalty and act in a manner beneficial to Humanity

But not the weak and stupid in humanity?

What is this "humanity" you speak of?

19] He who earns absolute power, given willingly by social consensus, is beyond Human, but now a god

So, he flops out of your "religion" then, and is no longer worthy of moral consideration of others.

He should be sacrificed in the name of the human will, by tenet 16 of your scheme.

[spidergoat]

I've been developing a relligion focused mainly on Humanity, and the superiority and power of the Human will...


Congratulations, you re-discovered Nazism.