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Mr. Hamtastic
09-23-08, 08:08 PM
I just wanted to start a thread where we could discuss our different perspectives on major topics from the viewpoint of our religions(or non-religions for you atheists). I'll start a couple of thoughts. Feel free to toss in your own thoughts.
Mr. Hamtastic
09-23-08, 08:13 PM
Sex and christianity. The various flavors of christianity all seem to have different(and sometimes odd) views of sex. From my own reading of the bible, and my own faith, the rules are:1)Don't have sex with a married person that you are not married to, and 2) Sex outside of marriage is not a warm and fuzzy thought for God, although I have not found anything directly calling fornication a sin. I haven't found any for not having sex with dead bodies, either, so I'd call this one a maybe.
Mr. Hamtastic
09-23-08, 08:18 PM
Marriage and christianity-Marriage is viewed differently by different cultures within different sects of christianity. Marriage seems to be intended more to make sure the male sticks around for the kids. Polygamy doesn't appear to be sinful, by what I've read, but my memory can be swiss cheese, and I'm not sitting here with a bible in my lap. This is all from the hip, so 'scuse anything I might be misremembering.
Mr. Hamtastic
09-23-08, 08:23 PM
Incest and christianity- this seems strangely left out, except for... was it Lot's kids that had sex with him? Noah's son saw him naked and that was 'bad' for some reason. I guess he was really hung or something. Otherwise, there seems to have been alot of "kissing cousins". Was it Abraham or his son that needed to find a wife of the same tribe, the chick comes out and gives the servant and his camel water, and the servant knew this was THE girl? To me, tribe=family. I could be mistaken.
Mr. Hamtastic
09-23-08, 08:34 PM
drugs and christianity-I'm clueless on this one. Societally, this is considered bad. Christianity doesn't seem to have an actual opinion, biblically. In churches I've heard reference to pharmakeia. I've never known what that was referring to exactly.
Mr. Hamtastic
09-23-08, 08:39 PM
suicide and christianity-I don't know that this is a sin, unless you consider it murdering yourself. To me that's a stretch. I mean, technically, Jesus allowing himself to be crucified and not coming down off the cross or destroying the world, seems to me to have been suicide. I'd go so far as to say it sounds like a "go to heaven free" card.
Mr. Hamtastic
09-23-08, 08:43 PM
Killing people and christianity-It's hard to say. If you can say it's "murder" then no. Otherwise, I wonder. Would a christian be right in killing their children before the age of innocence ends? An interesting quandry.
Mr. Hamtastic
09-23-08, 08:43 PM
I dunno, that's all I can come up with right now.
PsychoticEpisode
09-23-08, 09:43 PM
Christianity and carpentry. Think Jesus ever pounded a nail, spun a lathe or sawed a plank in half? Don't recall if he followed in his stepfather's footsteps. His real father knew a little about measuring & boat building. No apprenticeship for Jesus but somewhat ironic that he gets nailed to a wooden cross. Carpenter King? Could he have designed a better cross or built one for that matter? Is it possible that when Jesus was laying on the hands that they were festered up from slivers?
StrangerInAStrangeLa
09-23-08, 10:35 PM
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
PsychoticEpisode
09-23-08, 10:36 PM
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
That's love baby. Good for the Christians
StrangerInAStrangeLa
09-23-08, 10:41 PM
Mark 16: 15 Go ye therefore into all the world and preach the gospel to every CREATURE.
Sex and christianity. The various flavors of christianity all seem to have different(and sometimes odd) views of sex. From my own reading of the bible, and my own faith, the rules are:1)Don't have sex with a married person that you are not married to, and 2) Sex outside of marriage is not a warm and fuzzy thought for God, although I have not found anything directly calling fornication a sin. I haven't found any for not having sex with dead bodies, either, so I'd call this one a maybe.
Yes lets talk about how Christians peep there unwanted noses into people's sex lives. They aren't doctors, nor are they experts on the subject, yet they seem to always want to tell people what that can, should, and can't do.
Nin'
chris4355
09-24-08, 12:52 AM
Atheism - actually understanding why things are wrong... instead of reading it off a book that teaches you to behave well by scaring you
Mr. Hamtastic
09-24-08, 08:44 AM
Atheism and Sex-?? Atheism and killing people-?? I was giving my views with the intention of others giving what they see as their beliefs/lack thereof and how it effects given topics.
Atheism and Sex-?? Atheism and killing people-?? I was giving my views with the intention of others giving what they see as their beliefs/lack thereof and how it effects given topics.
Atheism isn't a core set of ideals, so don't expect them. It's the lack of faith in your fake god.
But that in and of itself is virtuous, considering that an atheist doesn't have his or her sex life dictated to him or her by a 2000 year old text written by a bunch of arabs halfway around the world.
Mr. Hamtastic
09-24-08, 11:44 AM
What was I thinking? That Atheists might have a set of values as relates to these things? My bad. I didn't realize that pedophilia, necrophilia, cannibalism, all are ok to the Atheist. I apologize for thinking otherwise.<yawn>
Muslims, Jews, Asian religions I am unfamiliar with, pagans, chime in. Apparently the atheists can't be bothered.
What was I thinking? That Atheists might have a set of values as relates to these things? My bad. I didn't realize that pedophilia, necrophilia, cannibalism, all are ok to the Atheist. I apologize for thinking otherwise.<yawn>
Muslims, Jews, Asian religions I am unfamiliar with, pagans, chime in. Apparently the atheists can't be bothered.
No, moron, if you could take off you idiot cap and actually read what I wrote, you'd see that I said "atheism is not a core set of ideals." And it isn't.
I know, it must be an incredibly foreign idea to you that people could actually think for themselves, rather than requiring a thousands-year-old book to tell them what is right and wrong...but totally, man, it's real.
Medicine*Woman
09-24-08, 12:05 PM
What was I thinking? That Atheists might have a set of values as relates to these things? My bad. I didn't realize that pedophilia, necrophilia, cannibalism, all are ok to the Atheist. I apologize for thinking otherwise.<yawn>
Muslims, Jews, Asian religions I am unfamiliar with, pagans, chime in. Apparently the atheists can't be bothered.
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M*W: What were you thinking? You're beginning to sound like S.A.M.. Where did you ever get the idea that atheists find pedophilia, necrophilia and cannibalism okay? We follow the laws of the land, we are honest citizens, we follow our conscience with respect to others, and we don't have to apologize for not believing in yours nor any other gods. Just because we don't believe in god(s) doesn't mean we are bad people. That is only your mistaken interpretation.
Go to some prisons and ask some pedophiles what their religion is. They most likely will say christian. Same goes for necrophiles and cannibals. What was Jeffery Dahmer's religion? What about that soccer team from South America that crash landed in the Andes? They ate their dead fellow teammates. What was their religion? Christianity. What happens every single day in the catholic church and occasionally in protestant churches--"eat of my body, and drink of my blood" sacrifice of Jesus. Is that, or is that not, a reference to cannibalism? Christianity sucks.
So, before you go around accusing atheists of the horrid acts you cited, you should learn more about who we are. Then you would learn who the most moral and humane people are. We are atheists.
Mr. Hamtastic
09-24-08, 12:48 PM
<sigh> Sorry. I guess it was stupid of me to think I could start a thought provoking thread. In my desperation, I used some language that obviously offended. I apologize. If anyone has a mod's ear, ask them to toss this to the cesspool for me.
What was I thinking? That Atheists might have a set of values as relates to these things? My bad. I didn't realize that pedophilia, necrophilia, cannibalism, all are ok to the Atheist. I apologize for thinking otherwise.<yawn>
Muslims, Jews, Asian religions I am unfamiliar with, pagans, chime in. Apparently the atheists can't be bothered.
Hmm considering that the Dutch actually have a political party that advocates pedophilia, you might have something there.
A court at The Hague has refused to outlaw the proposed political party that supports legalized pedophilia and child pornography. The BBC reports that the Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity Party (PNVD) has received the nod from Judge HFM Hofhuis who said the group has the same right to exist as any other political party.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/jul/06071705.html
Well, that was a half-assed apology. I wish a MOD would toss you in the cesspool.
Sam, I try to put you on my ignore list, but somehow...you became a moderator?! How?! Anyway, is there any way I can circumvent that and get you on my ignore list? You're a mod, so you should help me.
Sex and christianity. The various flavors of christianity all seem to have different(and sometimes odd) views of sex. From my own reading of the bible, and my own faith, the rules are:1)Don't have sex with a married person that you are not married to, and 2) Sex outside of marriage is not a warm and fuzzy thought for God, although I have not found anything directly calling fornication a sin. I haven't found any for not having sex with dead bodies, either, so I'd call this one a maybe.
2 Corinthians 12:21
lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and I shall mourn for many who have sinned before and have not repented of the uncleanness, fornication, and lewdness which they have practiced.
Galatians 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
See how both adultery and fornication are mention in the same quote.
Ephesians 5:3
But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints;
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
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