Find an anti-Muslim thread

[S.A.M.]

I'm curious as to the number of anti-Muslim threads on this forum, both overt and covert and which denominations are more likely to start one.

How many can you find?

My contributions and examples

Muslims lie (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=84683) : started by Medicine Woman [atheist] - overt thread

Religion + migration poll (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=84663) : started by Michael [Scientologist] - covert thread.

I'll add the other contributions to my post as they appear.

[Enmos]

Find an anti-atheist thread..

[Norsefire]

There are few^

[pjdude1219]

Michael is a Scientologist now i have to make fun him

[superstring01]

I'm curious as to the number of anti-Muslim threads on this forum, both overt and covert and which denominations are more likely to start one.

How many can you find?

My contributions and examples

Muslims lie (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=84683) : started by Medicine Woman [atheist] - overt thread

Religion + migration poll (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=84663) : started by Michael [Scientologist] - covert thread.

I'll add the other contributions to my post as they appear.

You act like Muslims are somehow off limits while you have free reign to attack the west with impunity. Interesting.

Live with it. We have to read your bullshit. You have to read the anti-Muslim bullshit.

~String

[Enmos]

There are few^

Not really.. lol

[S.A.M.]

You act like Muslims are somehow off limits while you have free reign to attack the west with impunity. Interesting.

Live with it. We have to read your bullshit. You have to read the anti-Muslim bullshit.

~String

Yeah, I'm doing research, you'll have them all in one place. Any contributions?

[Orleander]

Is a thread with the words 'anti-Muslim thread' in it anti-Muslim? I found one but it seems to be covert.
;)

[superstring01]

Yeah, I'm doing research, you'll have them all in one place. Any contributions?

No. Attacking Muslims isn't fun anymore.

Anybody for attacking the Indians (not: Injuns)!!!?

~String

[Norsefire]

Not really.. lol

Actually, yes really. Find me a single anti atheist thread

[superstring01]

Actually, yes really. Find me a single anti atheist thread

You probably can't. There's nothing negative to say about athiests other than the fact that they are loud and can be annoying. I mean, howe many "Athiest Militant" and "Athiest Terrorist" groups have you heard of?

~String

[S.A.M.]

The LTTE? The Burmese junta? North Korea? Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot? Khmer Rouge?

[Norsefire]

You probably can't. There's nothing negative to say about athiests other than the fact that they are loud and can be annoying. I mean, howe many "Athiest Militant" and "Athiest Terrorist" groups have you heard of?

~String
There are, however, certain atheist social problems...or rather, the lack of any atheist social aspects, which in turn leads to problems.

Also, go online and look, I've seen ALOT of atheists that I'd say are militant.

[superstring01]

The LTTE? The Burmese junta? North Korea? Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot? Khmer Rouge?

Those ideologies were primarily militaristic communist or socialist and the fact that they were atheists was ancillary to a larger, more corrupt ideology. Their atheism, in other words, wasn't the motivation in their murders, but the need to convert people to an ideology or cult-like system of belief.

~String

[S.A.M.]

Those ideologies were primarily militaristic communist or socialist and the fact that they were atheists wast ancillary to a larger, more corrupt ideology. Their atheism, in other words, wasn't the motivation in their murders, but the need to convert people to an ideology or cult-like system of belief.

~String

Yeah, people who don't believe in God don't believe in nothing: they believe in anything. Every athiest has to adopt some ideology, since atheism is a lack of belief. Its why Dawkins hangs his hat on science and why so many atheists do so as well. The ones who don't, have UFOs, aliens, communism, etc.

[superstring01]

Yeah, people who don't believe in God don't believe in nothing: they believe in anything. Every athiest has to adopt some ideology, since atheism is a lack of belief. Its why Dawkins hangs his hat on science and why so many atheists do so as well. The ones who don't, have UFOs, aliens, communism, etc.

Well, let's be honest, fools who are religious, are fools without religion. Religious or cult-like ideologies (i.e. Communism) tend to amplify foolishness. I'm all for NO religion and religious-like ideologies. The flip-side of this issue, is the long history of Christian, Buddhist, Jewish and Islamic militancy and violence, which is a lot longer than anything that atheists have done.

~String

[S.A.M.]

Not in this century.

[superstring01]

Wow. One century out of -- what? -- eleven millenia of human religious history? Communism is definitively without religion per se, but its core ideology isn't "atheist" but "collectivist". The atheism part is ancillary and is the official state policy. Besides, you won't hear me defending Communism. It's a religion in and of itself. Any ideology can become that. Atheists eschew any cult-like ideology in lieu of individualism.

~String

[S.A.M.]

One century that we know of. Not much is known about the Tibetan king who skinned alive the pagan Banpos for not converting to Buddhism, for example. No one knows why the Caravakas dropped out of favor 2000 years ago, etc.

[(Q)]

I'm curious as to the number of anti-Muslim threads on this forum, both overt and covert and which denominations are more likely to start one.

How many can you find?

Don't you mean anti-Islamic threads?

I don't have anything against Musliims. Islam is another story, though.

[S.A.M.]

I don't have anything against Musliims

Yeah, sure you don't. Send any teddy bears to Gitmo yet?

[superstring01]

One century that we know of. Not much is known about the Tibetan king who skinned alive the pagan Banpos for not converting to Buddhism, for example. No one knows why the Caravakas dropped out of favor 2000 years ago, etc.

What's your point? Buddhism is a religion, isn't it? (okay: It's a philosophy, but, it encompasses religious teachings). But, more to the point, are you basing an argument on ignorance of facts. Fact is: religion amplifies human stupidity.

~String

[S.A.M.]

What's your point? Buddhism is a religion, isn't it? (okay: It's a philosophy, but, it encompasses religious teachings). But, more to the point, are you basing an argument on ignorance of facts. Fact is: religion amplifies human stupidity.

~String

So why are there no successful existing atheist established societies? So sharp they cut themselves?

[Simon Anders]

Those ideologies were primarily militaristic communist or socialist and the fact that they were atheists was ancillary to a larger, more corrupt ideology. Their atheism, in other words, wasn't the motivation in their murders, but the need to convert people to an ideology or cult-like system of belief.
~String

It seems to me most of the wars we've had as humans and certainly the worst ones were from greed, lust for power or perhaps more neutral grabs for resources. To blame the wars on religions makes it all rather nice and neat for atheists, since they have never run a country or an army - given your definition of communism, more or less, as another religion.

A look at the bloodiest wars of all time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_death_toll

and you find most are not religious in basis.

Humans love to kill and take from others and have more power and they find excuses in whatever ideologies are at hand.

[superstring01]

I never denied that point. I was just pointing out that religion elevates human stupidity to the highest level.

~String

[S.A.M.]

Yeah, which is why some of the longest surviving monuments to human endeavour are religious in nature.

[Simon Anders]

I never denied that point. I was just pointing out that religion elevates human stupidity to the highest level.

~String

I should have quoted this.

The flip-side of this issue, is the long history of Christian, Buddhist, Jewish and Islamic militancy and violence, which is a lot longer than anything that atheists have done. Which is true, but very misleading because of what I mention above.

I mean no atheist nation killed a single person in the 1400's, but I am not sure what this says about atheists, war, humans, religious people....etc.

[Norsefire]

I never denied that point. I was just pointing out that religion elevates human stupidity to the highest level.

~String

Not at all; religion is part of being Human.

[CheskiChips]

Count every anti-Islam/Muslim thread put them in a pile. It still wouldn't be as big as every antiJew thread by SAM alone.

[Norsefire]

Count every anti-Islam/Muslim thread put them in a pile. It still wouldn't be as big as every antiJew thread by SAM alone.

I don't recall SAM making any anti Jewish thread; and certainly, I would not approve of an attack on my Brothers!;)

[scorpius]

So why are there no successful existing atheist established societies? So sharp they cut themselves?
LMAO
are you really that dense or just pretending to be?

[Enmos]

Not at all; religion is part of being Human.

Is it ? Then atheists are not human ?

[Spud Emperor]

Human, yes, immoral fuckers? Of course!

[Enmos]

I'm happy not to be part of humanity then.

[(Q)]

Yeah, sure you don't.

I know you'll NEVER understand that, because to you the terms Islam and Muslim are the same thing, which is your problem, not mine. You can't distinguish between an ideology and a human. Nonetheless, you'll argue accordingly.

Islam is not a person, Sam. Does that make any sense to you at all?

[(Q)]

I don't recall SAM making any anti Jewish thread; and certainly, I would not approve of an attack on my Brothers!;)

So, you're a Jew now?

I think the next thing you should be is one of those monks who takes a lifetime oath of silence. Please!

[S.A.M.]

I know you'll NEVER understand that, because to you the terms Islam and Muslim are the same thing, which is your problem, not mine. You can't distinguish between an ideology and a human. Nonetheless, you'll argue accordingly.

Islam is not a person, Sam. Does that make any sense to you at all?

But you're not attacking a non-person here, are you? You're attacking and demonising real people. That has consequences. Whether you like it or not. There are two countries out there destroyed because of people who think like you.

[(Q)]

But you're not attacking a non-person here, are you? You're attacking and demonising real people. That has consequences. Whether you like it or not.

Again, if you're unable to distinguish between ideologies and people, Sam, that is your problem, and a serious one, as well.

There are two countries out there destroyed because of people who think like you.

Seek professional help.

[S.A.M.]

Again, if you're unable to distinguish between ideologies and people, Sam, that is your problem, and a serious one, as well.



Seek professional help.

You just go on building your bomb, you can always apologise when people die. Accountability is cheap and and easy for the likes of you. :rolleyes:

[Enmos]

You just go on building your bomb

lol SAM have you lost it completely now ? :D

[Gustav]

(not: Injuns)!!!?

~String


as a chumash indian, i resent the slur
you must die

[(Q)]

as a chumash indian, i resent the slur
you must die

Very interesting.

http://www.chumashindian.com/

[Norsefire]

Is it ? Then atheists are not human ?

I'm not saying nonreligious people are not Human, but religious people are just Human; we're all just Human. And religion is one of those aspects of being Human.

[(Q)]

I'm not saying nonreligious people are not Human, but religious people are just Human; we're all just Human. And religion is one of those aspects of being Human.

Or not. It was Julian Jaynes, who in his book, "The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" suggests that some time before 1000BC people in general were unaware that the 'second' voice in ones head was an 'inside' voice, which they assumed was an 'outside' voice, in that this was the voice of a god speaking to them. He considers this time frame of understanding the dawning of human consciousness.

It might all be rubbish, but it is an interesting perspective, nonetheless, and it does explain a great many things about the origins of religion.

[Enmos]

I'm not saying nonreligious people are not Human, but religious people are just Human; we're all just Human. And religion is one of those aspects of being Human.

So I'm an incomplete human then ?

[S.A.M.]

Or not. It was Julian Jaynes, who in his book, "The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" suggests that some time before 1000BC people in general were unaware that the 'second' voice in ones head was an 'inside' voice, which they assumed was an 'outside' voice, in that this was the voice of a god speaking to them. He considers this time frame of understanding the dawning of human consciousness.

It might all be rubbish, but it is an interesting perspective, nonetheless, and it does explain a great many things about the origins of religion.

Do you hear this voice too? :confused:

[Tyler]

To "attack" (criticize is a much nicer word) Islam is to criticize a body of work as an ethical/philosophical/scientific/religious text.

To "attack" (criticize is a much nicer word) Moslems is to criticize human beings for their opinions/actions/beliefs.

On often feels they are personally being attacked when something they believe in is criticized. This is unnecessary and only a defense mechanism. If someone criticized the belief that it was necessary to have a coherent set of human rights, or my specific choice for human rights, it would not necessarily be an attack against me personally.

If you are unable to see the difference between an ethical system and a human being (whether or not that human being believes in or follows that ethical system), then you have a sincere mix-up in your ontology.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

What is a human being? How do you seperate a human being from their beliefs? If you criticize liking the color blue, aren't you criticizing everyone who likes the color blue?

[Mr.Spock]

Yeah, people who don't believe in God don't believe in nothing: they believe in anything. Every athiest has to adopt some ideology, since atheism is a lack of belief. Its why Dawkins hangs his hat on science and why so many atheists do so as well. The ones who don't, have UFOs, aliens, communism, etc.

Ayn rand would disagree.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

I thought I called you a gender-challenged porcupine. What's that got to do with Ayn Rand?

[Mr.Spock]

I thought I called you a gender-challenged porcupine. What's that got to do with Ayn Rand?

she considered herself an atheist, but was none of the above. in fact, she opposed most of them, especially communism.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Ah. Ayn Rand is a swirly-tailed squirrel indeed. Have you seen any rabbits?

[Mr.Spock]

Ah. Ayn Rand is a swirly-tailed squirrel indeed. Have you seen any rabbits?

she does make some good points.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

points? I guess so.. Although I've never seen a swirly-tailed squirrel use a pencil sharpener... Moose A. Moose, on the other hand. Well, he's just horny.

[Mr.Spock]

points? I guess so.. Although I've never seen a swirly-tailed squirrel use a pencil sharpener... Moose A. Moose, on the other hand. Well, he's just horny.

what ayn rand books/articles have you read?

[S.A.M.]

Ayn rand would disagree.

Ayn Rand was an idiot. She believed in objectivism, did she not? :mad:

[Mr.Spock]

Ayn Rand was an idiot. She believed in objectivism, did she not? :mad:

believes? no, you can hardly use that word. she created objectivism and opposed greatly to mysticism.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Ayn Rand wrote books? Such a SKILLED swirley tailed squirrel. How many books have you written monsieur porcupine?

[S.A.M.]

Yeah, see? No religion = new improved ideology for mankind [see communism]

[Mr. Hamtastic]

Didn't that bull-moose Hitler write some book? How about that platypus Lenin? Then there is Dr.Seuss who wrote many books.

[Mr.Spock]

Yeah, see? No religion = new improved ideology for mankind [see communism]

unrelated.

[Mr. Hamtastic]

I can do that too.

Dr.Seuss=new improved ideology for mankind[see Sam I Am]

I will not eat green eggs and ham!

[Medicine*Woman]

I'm not saying nonreligious people are not Human, but religious people are just Human; we're all just Human. And religion is one of those aspects of being Human.
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M*W: In theory, you are correct, but not all humans have a need for religion, especially considering that all religions are man-made.