Are moth's free?

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  1. John99 Banned Banned

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    Those moths you see flying around in zig zag fashion. Are they free?

    Go out there young moth, go face the world.
     
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  3. John99 Banned Banned

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    an my baby, she dont want me around.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    There aren't any young moths.

    Fruit flies have demonstrated a limited amount of free will in the laboratory, so most likely moths have some decision room in their affairs.
     
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    thanks. i am trying to get a handle on the term free(dom).
     
  8. Steve100 O͓͍̯̬̯̙͈̟̥̳̩͒̆̿ͬ̑̀̓̿͋ͬ ̙̳ͅ ̫̪̳͔O Valued Senior Member

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    By reading the title I thought "moth's", was short for "mothers".
     
  9. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Of course they are.
    Have you been paying for them?


    I would love to read more on this.
    Any links?
     
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    i thought of that while watching an interview on telly. there were two repotrers and they were standinfg there in suits. their suits were the same color and they were very polished in their skills.

    then a moth enters the frame, probably attracted to the lcamera light. the moth just flew around erratically and did not care that he ruine dthe shot.

    how free can i hope to be? not as free as that moth seems to be. i believe that nwe, as humans, were not menat to be truly free. not evern by the injustice perpetrated on us by others but perhaps to ourselves.

    :scratchin:

    freedom. is it overrated? is it unattainable? is it real?

    A homelss person. is he free? free er. anyone know how to spell freer?
     
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    You've been drinking tonight.

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    very good.

    we posted at the same time. what do you think of the post above this one?
     
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    i dont drink.

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  14. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    How free can a moth be when that moth is uncontrollably attracted to any bright light source?
    Humans, it seems, have the ability to override instinct - the moth's instinct to go toward the light appears to override all other drive it may have.

    Speaking of... Do you think that natural selection should make a dent in the number of moths attracted to bright light, as it appears to offer it no benefit, but many millions are killed as a result of being drawn into the headlights of oncoming cars, bug zappers, flames and houses?
    Just as, it would seem, that natural selection should tend to favor suqirrels who avoid blacktop and cars.
     
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    That is interesting. It is more of a philosophical observation than a literal one.

    Afa natural selection, i am certain that my interpretation of it is different than what would be considered 'the norm'.
     
  16. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Actually that's a fallacy about moths being drawn toward car head lights.

    The truth is that for ALL moths their hobby is collecting car registration numbers, but some just don't get out of the way in time.
    Sad really.
     
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  18. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Exactly: like it says on that link:
    But it's not just taxis, it's all cars, private and public.
     
  19. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    What is a photo taxi.. ? A hologram ?
     
  20. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Nah, one that's "lighter" than all the others...
     
  21. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    Moths do what they want to. I think thats as about as free as freewill can be. I think the only time you don't truly have freewill is when you want to do something else, but can't. So if I wanted to walk away from the light, but no matter how hard I tried I walk towards the light then, I don't have freewill.
     
  22. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    You seem to contradict yourself.
    If you see a moth and shine a bright light it WILL be drawn to the light.
    Are you meaning to imply this isn't instinct driving their actions, rather they just think bright lights are pretty and they WANT to fly toward them?
     
  23. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, big fat hairy liar! I seem to remember some rum and cokes at a wedding that got you pretty snockered.
     

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