View Full Version : Do you believe in any god, yes or no ?
[QUOTE=Enmos;1967201]Well ?
No
You are blind sighting.
What do you mean ?
In the psychology of answering the question; you, in essence, must either pick atheist or theist... simply because it does not give a position to probability (agnosticism); not giving it a position and labeling it as indecisive plays against the psyche of the masses. In essence; no one wants to be the person who is 'not knowledgeable, decisive, knowing' of the question.
Basically you will, most likely, get biased answers, untruthful answers, or a persuaded answer.
It is a biased system.
In the psychology of answering the question; you, in essence, must either pick atheist or theist... simply because it does not give a position to probability (agnosticism); not giving it a position and labeling it as indecisive plays against the psyche of the masses. In essence; no one wants to be the person who is 'not knowledgeable, decisive, knowing' of the question.
Basically you will, most likely, get biased answers, untruthful answers, or a persuaded answer.
It is a biased system.
That is what agnostics claim their position is, is it not ?
Besides, what other positions are there but "yes", "no" and "don't know" ? :shrug:
I take more of an agnostic stance than anything else. However; it is not yes, no, or maybe. I do not look up at the stars and say ah! maybe God exists; instead I look up and say it is probable. I factor in all aspects of the human psyche, then factor in our current state of intelligence, then I assume that existence is infinite. While there may be structure to it; based on repetitious formations we as a collective intelligence do not yet know.
So until then, there is a structure to agnosticism that is not as vague as maybe.
Maybe is not a descriptive term.
It is not about making up your mind; to declare such would be foolish in the sense that; to have an absolute answer is improbable.
Plus you avoided the points I made about it being a biased poll, one meant to persuade rather than seek truth.
Your telling me that the logic I presented was not sound? And that it is not a probable factor in the answers given to the questions?
I take more of an agnostic stance than anything else. However; it is not yes, no, or maybe. I do not look up at the stars and say ah! maybe God exists; instead I look up and say it is probable. I factor in all aspects of the human psyche, then factor in our current state of intelligence, then I assume that existence is infinite. While there may be structure to it; based on repetitious formations we as a collective intelligence do not yet know.
So until then, there is a structure to agnosticism that is not as vague as maybe.
Maybe is not a descriptive term.
It is not about making up your mind; to declare such would be foolish in the sense that; to have an absolute answer is improbable.
I really think the question is very simple..
I don't see the problem.. :shrug:
Plus you avoided the points I made about it being a biased poll, one meant to persuade rather than seek truth.
That's because I have no clue what you're talking about.. how is it biased :confused:
Your telling me that the logic I presented was not sound? And that it is not a probable factor in the answers given to the questions?
No, I didn't get it.. I honestly don't see your point.
Enmos,
Besides, what other positions are there but "yes", "no" and "don't know" ?No, there are essentially only two possible answers to the question "Do you believe in a god?".
Yes or No.
I you cannot answer YES then clearly your belief is absent which is the No option. There is nothing in-between.
The third option comes from a quite different question -
Do you believe a god exists or do you believe a god does not exist?
Here the possible answers are -
1. I believe a god exists.
2. I believe a god does not exist.
3. I do not know whether a god exists or not.
Note that disbelief, or absence of belief, is not the same as a belief of non-existence. Which unfortunately is the usual mis-informed assumption that a disbelief means a belief of non-existence.
I take more of an agnostic stance than anything else. However; it is not yes, no, or maybe. I do not look up at the stars and say ah! maybe God exists; instead I look up and say it is probable. I factor in all aspects of the human psyche, then factor in our current state of intelligence, then I assume that existence is infinite. While there may be structure to it; based on repetitious formations we as a collective intelligence do not yet know.
So until then, there is a structure to agnosticism that is not as vague as maybe.
Maybe is not a descriptive term.
It is not about making up your mind; to declare such would be foolish in the sense that; to have an absolute answer is improbable
Plus you avoided the points I made about it being a biased poll, one meant to persuade rather than seek truth.
Your telling me that the logic I presented was not sound? And that it is not a probable factor in the answers given to the questions?
Answer this question with a yes or a no ! Do you enjoy being a smartarse ? You were not asked how you go about determining what to believe.
In plain English ,a la Sir Earnest Gowers, your talk of factoring in this that and the other is nothing more than a load of bollocks, as is most of your post.
Norsefire
08-15-08, 04:51 PM
I chose "I don't know"
visceral_instinct
08-15-08, 05:23 PM
No.
I chose "I don't know"
So, you don't know if you believe in God ? Why not ?
Eidolan
08-15-08, 08:44 PM
Define "God".
Norsefire
08-15-08, 08:47 PM
So, you don't know if you believe in God ? Why not ?
I acknowledge that God is unknowable.
shorty_37
08-15-08, 08:52 PM
No.
I acknowledge that God is unknowable.
So you believe in him ?
Define "God".
Any. Whatever established god you want.
Define "God".
God is the creator .
I voted " I do not know ".
Yes I do not know .
what bothers me so much is how something starting from nothing ( zero ) can create anything at all , let alone all this huge universe and beyond .
I believe no one knows for sure the original of life and the original of this universe . I do not believe in the evolution theory and the big bang theory as well . Theories are only theories and not proven beyond any reasonable doubt . Even for those who believe in a God or creator the question remains very unanswered for good : If God created us then who created God ?. Then who created the one who created God....etc ? . You see there is no answer to all that according to any science , any proof , any logic whatsoever at all .
Was there a zero time line ?. So what was before this very zero time ?. Obviously there are no answers at all .
Norsefire
08-15-08, 08:58 PM
So you believe in him ?
No. I acknowledge that the topic is unknowable
Orleander
08-15-08, 09:03 PM
Define "God".
yeah I agree. Enmos, you have to define God.
yeah I agree. Enmos, you have to define God.
I don't.
I said "any god", the believers in any particular god have defined their god already.
If you need a general definition: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god
Orleander
08-16-08, 12:11 AM
OK, so if I believe money is god, then I believe in god, right?
DiamondHearts
08-16-08, 02:48 AM
God is the creator .
I voted " I do not know ".
Yes I do not know .
what bothers me so much is how something starting from nothing ( zero ) can create anything at all , let alone all this huge universe and beyond .
I believe no one knows for sure the original of life and the original of this universe . I do not believe in the evolution theory and the big bang theory as well . Theories are only theories and not proven beyond any reasonable doubt . Even for those who believe in a God or creator the question remains very unanswered for good : If God created us then who created God ?. Then who created the one who created God....etc ? . You see there is no answer to all that according to any science , any proof , any logic whatsoever at all .
Was there a zero time line ?. So what was before this very zero time ?. Obviously there are no answers at all .
I believe in God, Allah (swt). I believe time and space are a creation of God and that God is beyond time and space, thus God was never born nor will He ever end. God exists outside of creation, and no one knows the form of God for He is beyond human understanding, at least in our present material form.
OK, so if I believe money is god, then I believe in god, right?
Established gods.. (post 18)
SnakeLord
08-16-08, 07:35 AM
1. I believe a god exists.
2. I believe a god does not exist.
3. I do not know whether a god exists or not.
Number (3), often confused as a middle ground between theism and atheism, is a part of (1) and (2). Does anyone know? (theists typically assert that they have faith/belief in god - they don't know, and atheists likewise will assert that they don't know but will simply change on how they state their disbelief [this will vary between strong/weak stance]).
Regards,
No. I acknowledge that the topic is unknowableNorsefire, you are an Agnostic Atheist.
In more precise terms, you are a strong agnostic and weak atheist...
You claim God to be inherently unknowable (a strong agnostic stance on the epistemology of God).
You also do not have the belief that God exists (you are atheist) but you do not go so far as to believe that God does not exist (so you are a weak atheist).
Hope this has clarified it for you for further discussions.
:)
Norsefire, you are an Agnostic Atheist.
In more precise terms, you are a strong agnostic and weak atheist...
You claim God to be inherently unknowable (a strong agnostic stance on the epistemology of God).
You also do not have the belief that God exists (you are atheist) but you do not go so far as to believe that God does not exist (so you are a weak atheist).
Hope this has clarified it for you for further discussions.
:)
So he should have voted "No, I am an atheist".. :shrug:
No. I acknowledge that the topic is unknowable
The topic is NOT unknowable; we are discussing and voting on it.
I believe in God, Allah (swt). I believe time and space are a creation of God and that God is beyond time and space, thus God was never born nor will He ever end. God exists outside of creation, and no one knows the form of God for He is beyond human understanding, at least in our present material form.
If he is beyond our understanding how do you know he exists ?
Vkothii
08-16-08, 10:26 AM
Do I believe in god?
Do I believe in Yes or No?
Does Yes or No know about god? Or care?
Do I believe in god?
Do I believe in Yes or No?
Does Yes or No know about god? Or care?
Wot ?
Norsefire
08-16-08, 04:20 PM
There is a very large amount of atheists, wow...:shrug:
Hapsburg
01-06-09, 10:00 PM
Well ?
Yes. Polytheist.
Well ?
The question is absurd though I enjoy the poll.
Truth is enmos, the only valid explainion for god is Pantheism.
Also, there is no such thing as disbelief.
The question is absurd though I enjoy the poll.
Truth is enmos, the only valid explainion for god is Pantheism.
Also, there is no such thing as disbelief.
So the question is absurd because everyone believes in a god ?
So, to you, the question is akin to asking "Do you believe you breath air" ?
StrangerInAStrangeLa
01-07-09, 06:34 AM
The question is absurd though I enjoy the poll.
Truth is enmos, the only valid explainion for god is Pantheism.
Also, there is no such thing as disbelief.
There's no such thing as sisyphus.
1111
Well ?
None of the above.
None of the above.
Do you believe in (any) god ?
Do you believe in (any) god ?
Belief is irrelevant to the question.
Do you find it necessary to believe in rocks?
Do you believe in Qreg? Do you not believe in Qreg? Are you undecided on the question of Qreg?
At the moment there is zero evidence to support the notion that any of the currently proposed "gods" are anything other than the fantasies of their "believers."
Until that changes there is no need to bother with the question except as an amusing academic exercise in fallicious thinking.
To bother being an atheist is to give the question more merit than it really disserves. Consider...are you an a-unicornist? Are you an a-tooth fairyist? Atheism is just more special pleading by the theists. They try to pretend their fantasies are so unique you need a special classification to say its stupid.
There's no such thing as sisyphus.
1111
True.
Try harder.
Belief is irrelevant to the question.
Do you find it necessary to believe in rocks?
Do you believe in Qreg? Do you not believe in Qreg? Are you undecided on the question of Qreg?
At the moment there is zero evidence to support the notion that any of the currently proposed "gods" are anything other than the fantasies of their "believers."
Until that changes there is no need to bother with the question except as an amusing academic exercise in fallicious thinking.
To bother being an atheist is to give the question more merit than it really disserves. Consider...are you an a-unicornist? Are you an a-tooth fairyist? Atheism is just more special pleading by the theists. They try to pretend their fantasies are so unique you need a special classification to say its stupid.
:roflmao:
... I should roll over again.. Seriously!
Like I said, there is no such thing as disbelief. If you're an atheist, swarm, you are not doing any thing different than a theist. PERIOD.
That is my entire assessment of religion.
I'd like to hear a crack of this theory.
Belief is irrelevant to the question.
Do you find it necessary to believe in rocks?
Do you believe in Qreg? Do you not believe in Qreg? Are you undecided on the question of Qreg?
At the moment there is zero evidence to support the notion that any of the currently proposed "gods" are anything other than the fantasies of their "believers."
Until that changes there is no need to bother with the question except as an amusing academic exercise in fallicious thinking.
To bother being an atheist is to give the question more merit than it really disserves. Consider...are you an a-unicornist? Are you an a-tooth fairyist? Atheism is just more special pleading by the theists. They try to pretend their fantasies are so unique you need a special classification to say its stupid.
I can see where you're coming from. However, I think we have slightly different definitions of atheism.
I'm not, perse, against religion. I just don't believe in any gods. That's pretty much it. In that sense I am indeed an a-unicornist etc. And here is where I agree with you.. saying you are an a-unicornist only makes sense if there are also unicornists. In other words, a-unicornists let themselves be defined by unicornists.
In fact, I actually dislike the term atheist myself but one can't escape the fact that the term is used and applied all the time by both theists and atheists. I rather just say "I don't believe in all that crap", but eh..
I can see where you're coming from. However, I think we have slightly different definitions of atheism.
I'm not, perse, against religion. I just don't believe in any gods. That's pretty much it. In that sense I am indeed an a-unicornist etc. And here is where I agree with you.. saying you are an a-unicornist only makes sense if there are also unicornists. In other words, a-unicornists let themselves be defined by unicornists.
In fact, I actually dislike the term atheist myself but one can't escape the fact that the term is used and applied all the time by both theists and atheists. I rather just say "I don't believe in all that crap", but eh..
no interrupting here, just wanted to say "Good post" and "Damn straight."
no interrupting here, just wanted to say "Good post" and "Damn straight."
Thanks :)
Like I said, there is no such thing as disbelief.
What does that have to do with anything I said?
If you're an atheist, swarm, you are not doing any thing different than a theist. PERIOD.
Take a moment to actually read what I said. I already answered your "if."
Also I strongly suspect you are clueless about atheism but who cares? Once you realize that the theists are full of shit there isn't much more point to atheism after that.
Brent and Swarm.. you two agree more with each other about the concept 'atheism' than I do with either of you. lol
i dont believe in Atheists.
i dont believe in Atheists.
Define 'atheist'.
I'm using the simple definition 'someone that does not believe in any god'.
Do you agree with that definition ?
What does that have to do with anything I said?
Take a moment to actually read what I said. I already answered your "if."
Also I strongly suspect you are clueless about atheism but who cares? Once you realize that the theists are full of shit there isn't much more point to atheism after that.
I hate to break it to you you breaking peice of shit, but your post is total hosh-wash bullshit!
What does that have to do with anything I said?
see below
Take a moment to actually read what I said. I already answered your "if."
see above.
Also I strongly suspect you are clueless about atheism but who cares?
Yes. A lot more clueless than you:rolleyes:
Once you realize that the theists are full of shit there isn't much more point to atheism after that
Nice to finally meet one of the most piles upon piles of trash that exist on this planet.
You're full of it bud. Face it.
Nice to finally meet one of the most piles upon piles of trash that exist on this planet.
You're full of it bud. Face it.
You meet them all the time. You live in the US right ? The US is inhabited by 305,605,608 pieces of trash.
Define 'atheist'.
i cant because i never was one. from my earliest memory it is as foreign to me as an alien.
as far as i know i was born that way so why should i change when something cannot be proven?
Define 'King'. I'm pretty sure you can despite never having been one.
tnerb and Swarm.. you two agree more with each other about the concept 'atheism' than I do with either of you. lol
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You meet them all the time. You live in the US right ? The US is inhabited by 305,605,608 pieces of trash.
You live in the Uk Right?
You live in the Uk Right?
Nope, in the Netherlands. Which is inhabited by 16,490,169 pieces of trash.
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Oh.. I figured tnerb was Brent backwards :rolleyes:
Oh.. I figured Brent was tnerb backwards :rolleyes:
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Last edited by Enmos 2:46AM. Reason: Misspelling ... :-P
Sigh..
Very well, twerp :D
Anyways, Enmos.
Please.. continue :D
Continue what?
I don't know.. you said 'anyways'. So I figured something would follow.
Surely something evidencing the soul?
Surely something evidencing the soul?
Well, lets have it.
Folks, having been in situations where death could come anytime, like in the jungles or rivers of Viet Nam you prayed to your higher being. Now that I am in a safe environment I still think there is a higher being. For those of you who are gamblers let me say this. When death is near, old age or whatever, it is better to believe in a higher being when you die than not. If its true and you believe, you win. If there is no God and you believe, you win. You can be a man of science and believe in a higher being. After what I see around a lot of dying people I have to tell you there is something going on. Maybe man is not the last step before spiritual death...maybe there is something more. Maybe not.
Folks, having been in situations where death could come anytime, like in the jungles or rivers of Viet Nam you prayed to your higher being.
If you are a theist, sure. If you aren't then not at all.
Now that I am in a safe environment I still think there is a higher being.
Too bad. I hope you get over it.
For those of you who are gamblers let me say this.
I smell the stink of Pascal's wager...
When death is near, old age or whatever, it is better to believe in a higher being when you die than not.
No, it is better to have the courage of your convictions. If you don't believe and you stick to it, and there is a god, she will pat you on the back and say "So you got that one wrong. I'm proud of you for sticking by what you knew inspite of the pressure to conform."
But if there is a god and you believe just cause you want to play it safe god will say "You base coward. Get out of my sight until you grow a pair."
Well, lets have it.
There you have it.
Cellar_Door
01-13-09, 03:24 PM
Folks, having been in situations where death could come anytime, like in the jungles or rivers of Viet Nam you prayed to your higher being.
While others* have shouted 'where is God?'
In this world bad things happen and good things happen.
Good things are God's providence, while bad things are apparently caused by mortal fault. Put quite simply, the idea is ridiculous and wholly transparent.
If there is some higher force governing the universe, I do not believe that it is the Biblical God. Of course there is no way I can be truly certain of anything, but true certainty is extremely rare in any aspect of our lives.
*specifically a woman during the WW2 Holocaust - a Polish Jew - before she was shot.
damazka
01-21-09, 08:53 AM
i believe in a god
i believe in a god
Then you are a theist :p
i believe in a god
What use is a god you have to believe in?
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