It looks like georgie has done it again with Georgia!

[joepistole]

I don't think the United States as ever had a president so inept in virtually so many arenas. Why did georgie not see the Georgia crisis coming? Was this another intelligence failure? Was it a failure of the intelligence agencies or junior's intelligence? Why are we still preouccpied with Iraq?

Was it not junior who said that Russia and the United States were buddies just a few months ago? Was it not he who looked into Putin's soul and saw a good man? Was it not he who conveyed the notion to Putin that he was a spolied brat whimp acting as a leader. So that Putin could have his way with him?

How is georgie going to screw up Georgia? He has about six months left in office. How much more damage can georgie do between now and then?

[Spud Emperor]

*Headline* ' Georgia's been invaded!'

Bush looks around, checks his belt is still secure.." Nope, everythings in order, have to get up oilier in de mornin' t'invade ma ass!"

[Captain Kremmen]

*Headline* ' Georgia's been invaded!'

Bush looks around, checks his belt is still secure.." Nope, everythings in order, have to get up oilier in de mornin' t'invade ma ass!"

Does an oil pipeline passing through your country count as having oil?
If so, JawJaw is due for some WarWar. You heard it first here.

Have been absent for a while due to following a snail round my garden.
Nearly caught him.

[madanthonywayne]

Does an oil pipeline passing through your country count as having oil?
The answer to that is a resounding yes, and it's a major reason for Russia invading.

[joepistole]

I am afraid, Putin has caught georgie with his pants down. And I am afraid his tepid responses thus far indicate he will sell out the Georgians to Putin alternatively he could botch a Georgia rescue.

[Michael]

I wonder if Republicans STILL support Georgie porgie? I mean, what's their excuse now. "The president can't be expected to know about everything now ....."

GW will go down in history as the worse president of all time.

I'm wondering what Cheney is thinking? "Hooo boy, more freebees for Halliburton..."

[Clockwood]

A chunk of north Georgia seceded from the nation almost as soon as they seceded from the crumbling USSR. Georgia wants it back under their control since, after all, it is still down on their maps as a part of their territory and to this day tends to spit out the odd terrorist incident. Russia has been using it as something of a buffer state and has been funding and equipping the secessionists who, oddly enough, would like to go back to being Russians. Georgia makes the first move and kills 1500 civilians in the first hour or so without a second thought. Russia, having massed troops for months and having used Ossetia as a lure, responds by literally peppering whole sweeps of the nation with bombs... and plainly ignores the ceasefire they agree to.

Which side was America supposed to join in on? I can't tell.
And, for that matter, why should we join in? I can perceive no possible benefit for the United States regardless of how we play our cards.

[nietzschefan]

Exactly, this has nothing to do with the U.S. Probably best to keep it that way. Not everything is Bush's fault. (But he is a moron - established.)

[iceaura]

Exactly, this has nothing to do with the U.S. Probably best to keep it that way. Georgia has a lot of US "advisers" and the like with vague roles in its military, police, and economic policy centers. More PNAC stuff, from the look of it - setting up the fire sale.

So Russia taking that hamburger out of the dog's dish is doing something kind of interesting.

[Captain Kremmen]

Which is going to come first.
Departure of Bush or WWIII?

Can someone assassinate him soon, please?

(Note from CIA official. Above remark has been judged hyperbole, and poster is not to be extraordinarily renditioned. If he ever tries to enter USA, send him on next plane home. Remove this comment before publication)

[Challenger78]

Gee, I swear I find those notes on my blog all the time.

[Mr.Spock]

the US as the world number 1 democracy needs to get behind Georgia in 100%. all those anti Americans trying to make it look like as if the US is the world biggest problem just ate their hats as Russia proved they are dangerous as ever and they crave for their lost power and pride.

[S.A.M.]

Which is going to come first.
Departure of Bush or WWIII?

Can someone assassinate him soon, please?

(Note from CIA official. Above remark has been judged hyperbole, and poster is not to be extraordinarily renditioned. If he ever tries to enter USA, send him on next plane home. Remove this comment before publication)

I would not joke (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844574/posts) about stuff like that.

[joepistole]

I would not joke (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844574/posts) about stuff like that.

Yes I agree SAM. It is illegal even to joke about such things in the United States. You could have a some folks from the Secret Service knocking on your door soon. As they do patrol cyberspace for potential threats to the president. I would recommend issuing an apology and retraction as soon as possible.

The problem is not Georgia. The problem is all of the former Soviet States that remain. If Russian actions are allowed to stand in Georgia, then what is to stop Russia from moving into other former client states under a similar excuse? That is the real threat. It is somewhat similar to Hitler and the neighboring states he invaded. Does the world give a green light to Russia for this kind of action or does it stand against this kind of flagrant violation of international law?

Should former Soviet client states be living in a state of fear? Can the Europeans trust Russian sources of oil? Will the Russians use their control over oil to bring Europe to its knees? Will Europe be able to resist Russia. Will Russia eventually dominate Europe because of its military power and control over oil?

I think it is very clear, we have do get away from oil as being our dominate energy source not only for environmental reasons but also for political reasons. If the Russian action is allowed to stand we are looking at a dangerous remilitarization of Europe and another cold war that could easily get hot.

[spidergoat]

This proves the US is so ineffectual, that it will be impossible to do anything militarily towards Iran. Russia is an ally of Iran, and we cannot take on Russia. If we had any influence with Russia, we would have prevented them invading Georgia.

[Mr.Spock]

arent the russians depend on the US? they owe the US money too dont they?

[joepistole]

This proves the US is so ineffectual, that it will be impossible to do anything militarily towards Iran. Russia is an ally of Iran, and we cannot take on Russia. If we had any influence with Russia, we would have prevented them invading Georgia.

The United States should have know about this issue and should have been prepared for it, but we were not. That is a clear and present fault of the Bush II government. Second, the United States should have been taking a more direct leadership roll in organizing and mobilizing the European states especially the former Soviet Client States. That has not happened, in fact, NATO has been allowed to lapse into a shadow of its former self. That too is a burden that can and should be placed at the feet of george junior. And this has been unfortunately proven in Afganistan.

Finally, instead of paying lip service to an energy policy for these last seven years, junior should have been doing something about it...effecting an energy policy that would reduce world dependence on oil. But he has unfortunately done essentially nothing with energy policy; other than giving incredibly large tax breaks to the oil and gas industry special interests.

So now the United States is in a very bad position. This is just a piece of the incredible burden/mess the next president is going to inherit from georgie. Given the mess, I am really suprised someone wants to step in and be the next president. But I am grateful that we do have individuals willing to bear the burden. I just hope they are up the the challenge.

And I think those that brought us georgie II should be very, very ashamed of themselves.

[Mr.Spock]

Russia is considering arming its Baltic fleet with nuclear warheads for the first time since the cold war, senior military sources warned last night.

The Russians have already indicated that they may point nuclear missiles at western Europe from bases in Kaliningrad and Belarus. They are also said to be thinking of reviving a military presence in Cuba.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4547883.ece

WTF is wrong with this guys? they want a second cold war?

if they want to commit suicide they can jump off a building instead of dragging the rest of us into this.

[Challenger78]

I would not joke (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844574/posts) about stuff like that.

Great.. what happened to finding out whether he had the means or the motives to do such things?

Whats more shocking is Australia has no garuntee of free speech.

[oiram]

arent the russians depend on the US? they owe the US money too dont they?

Oh as if owing the USA money will cause them to stop and think before they do something stupid, “Highly illogical Captain”…. And their actions just showed the word they are not dependant on anyone…

[oiram]

Yes I agree SAM. It is illegal even to joke about such things in the United States. You could have a some folks from the Secret Service knocking on your door soon. As they do patrol cyberspace for potential threats to the president. I would recommend issuing an apology and retraction as soon as possible.

I bet the Secret Service will be glad when Bush leaves office as it has probably been the busiest and most difficult presidency in history as never has a president been so hated by more international people. I am sure the Bush administration has caused the SS much over time payroll investigating threats and the like, that now in the final months of his presidency the SS have probably slacked up a bit if not made their own private comments about something similar.

Disclaimer: Knowing that the laws in the USA for even talking bad about its leader or the government are worse than in country’s with vile dictators so I was careful only to make a statement of opinion and not any threats. I would also like to make a public apology and a retraction; “I am sorry that the USA and the world had to endure 8 years of George Bush, and I would like to retract any future trips to the USA”.




[QUOTE=Challenger78;1968284]Gee, I swear I find those notes on my blog all the time.

I am sure we all do, but many of those messages are probably written in code and people probably don’t pay attention to them or even see them. The CIA , SS, IRS, FBI, ATF, FAA, USPS, INS, NSA and every other tom dick and harry agency all have computer systems surfing and monitoring the internet to flag, mark and record anything appearing on the internet that mentions anything with key words or phrases regarding such topics or agencies. Thus I am now flagged again probably for the one millionth time

[S.A.M.]

Russia is considering arming its Baltic fleet with nuclear warheads for the first time since the cold war, senior military sources warned last night.

The Russians have already indicated that they may point nuclear missiles at western Europe from bases in Kaliningrad and Belarus. They are also said to be thinking of reviving a military presence in Cuba.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4547883.ece

WTF is wrong with this guys? they want a second cold war?

if they want to commit suicide they can jump off a building instead of dragging the rest of us into this.

You do realise they are doing exactly the same things the US is doing?

[Mr.Spock]

You do realise they are doing exactly the same things the US is doing?

i dont agree. but does this mean you are going to start hating Russia like the US?

[S.A.M.]

Only when they start a war on terror.

[Mr.Spock]

Only when they start a war on terror.

of course :D

[S.A.M.]

I'm from India. We weren't fed all the propaganda about Russia that people in the west were. Nehru was very pro-Russian and Prime Ministers who came after him, followed his cue. We have communists elected in several state governments so we don't have the Black and White ideas about Soviet politics. The Soviets have always been our friends. From our POV, the Americans were the ones arming Pakistan and necessitating our nuclear development. Its only now that the US has decided on closer ties with India.

So we have first hand experience of what Russian support means. The Americans want to build military bases in India in exchange for giving us support. We don't have a single Russian base, even though we have a 60 year plus relationship with the Russians.

[joepistole]

I think SAM has a valid point here. Georgie's venture in Iraq is not a sterling example for the world and it does adversely affect US credibility with many nations including Russia.

The best thing that can be done is for the United States to get new leadership through the legal electorial process. And get out of Iraq as soon as possible and focus on Afganistan and conduct policy in a competent, moral and ethical manner.

[Mr.Spock]

you seriously compare iraq and saddam hussein with georgia?

the human stupidity is endless.

they bombed georgia just for fun. ho well, expect the west to get behind other democracies, just like in 38.

[joepistole]

you seriously compare iraq and saddam hussein with georgia?

the human stupidity is endless.

they bombed georgia just for fun. ho well, expect the west to get behind other democracies, just like in 38.


I think you have been drinking too much Romulan Ale Mr. Spock because your profound sense of logic seems to taken a temporary holiday. The United States invaded a nation proactively under the pretense of a false threat. Iraq did not represent any kind of threat to the United States. And there is much evidence now to show that the president knew or should have known that to be the case as his administration has actively worked to supress that information.

Proactively invasion is just what the Russians did. Had they just limited their invasion to the contested lands, perhaps they could saw with some credibility that they were just helping liberate contested lands. But they went far beyond the contested lands and were threatening the capital of Georgia.

I must confess, I too like that Romulan Ale...good stuff it is!

[S.A.M.]

they bombed georgia just for fun. ho well, expect the west to get behind other democracies, just like in 38.

No they did not. Georgia broke its truce with Ossitia which has been independent since 1992 and invaded it. The Russians were negotiating peace terms on the day that Georgia invaded.

The situation in the Georgian-South Ossetian conflict came under discussion at the UN Security Council. The emergency session was initiated by Russia after Georgia attacked South Ossetia. Georgia started this war in South Ossetia. Last night, the capital of South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, and the surrounding villages were subjected to intense artillery fire. Involved in the assault were aircraft, tanks, and infantry troops. There were victims among the population. On Friday morning, the shelling of Tskhinvali resumed with greater force. Brigadier General Mamuka Kurashvili of the United Staff of Georgian armed forces described the hostilities as “measures to restore constitutional law and order in the part of the Tskhinvali region which was not controlled by the country’s authorities”. He did not mention, however, that those measures were taken in violation of Tbilisi’s earlier pledges and the principle of the Olympic truce.
http://02varvara.wordpress.com/2008/08/08/georgia-invades-south-ossetia-embarking-on-a-path-of-aggression-the-situation-in-the-georgian-south-ossetian-conflict-came-under-discussion-at-the-un-security-council-the-emergency-session-was-initi/



MOSCOW - Georgian troops launched a massive assault on the breakaway province of South Ossetia on Friday, taking control of much of the region and bringing Georgia's U.S.-allied government closer to the brink of full-scale conflict with Russia.

Just hours after Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili declared a cease-fire with South Ossetian separatist troops, Georgian military forces unleashed a barrage of shelling on the province's capital, Tskhinvali, late Thursday and early Friday. By the morning, Georgian tanks had entered the South Ossetian capital.

The assault put Georgia, a former Soviet republic strongly allied with Washington and Western Europe, on a collision course with the Kremlin, which for years has firmly backed South Ossetia in its resistance to Georgian authority.

Russian news agencies reported that 10 Russian peacekeeping troops had been killed and 30 injured in a Georgian artillery attack. Authorities in the South Ossetian separatist government said 15 civilians were killed in the fighting. Georgian Deputy Interior Minister Eka Zguladze said seven civilians were injured in the Russian bombing attacks on Georgia. The Kremlin warned Russia's response would be swift and decisive.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-080808-georgia-ossetia-webaug09,0,4176197.story?track=rss

[Mr.Spock]

i thought the Russians are like the Americans, what are you doing supporting the Russians SAM?

i think this is bull crap, Russians dint give a fuck about Austia, or agreements, they wanna kick some ass.

[Mr.Spock]

I think you have been drinking too much Romulan Ale Mr. Spock because your profound sense of logic seems to taken a temporary holiday. The United States invaded a nation proactively under the pretense of a false threat. Iraq did not represent any kind of threat to the United States. And there is much evidence now to show that the president knew or should have known that to be the case as his administration has actively worked to supress that information.

Proactively invasion is just what the Russians did. Had they just limited their invasion to the contested lands, perhaps they could saw with some credibility that they were just helping liberate contested lands. But they went far beyond the contested lands and were threatening the capital of Georgia.

I must confess, I too like that Romulan Ale...good stuff it is!

so you are comparing iraq to georgia? :D

[S.A.M.]

i thought the Russians are like the Americans, what are you doing supporting the Russians SAM?

i think this is bull crap, Russians dint give a fuck about Austia, or agreements, they wanna kick some ass.

The Russians do give a fuck about Ossetia, I'll leave you to find out why.

Besides, the Ossetians want to become Russians, they don't want to be a part of Georgia. The magic word here is: oil.

[Mr.Spock]

The Russians do give a fuck about Ossetia, I'll leave you to find out why.

Besides, the Ossetians want to become Russians, they don't want to be a part of Georgia. The magic word here is: oil.

so the russians just bomb them to protect peace, and you go around criticizing the americans.

the russians had no business there, now they actually conquered another country and annexed the territory.

you are such a hypocrite.

[S.A.M.]

Did I say I agree with the Russians? I see the invasion of Georgia as a mirror image of the invasion of Iraq, when Iraq invaded Kuwait. To me, there is no difference, except the Russians were not pretending to be allies of Georgia.

[Mr.Spock]

no, they are pretending to be allied with Austia.

the same Russians who support Iran and Hezbullah.

[S.A.M.]

Which has nothing to do with the topic. But I see that you get my point. ;)

[Mr.Spock]

Which has nothing to do with the topic. But I see that you get my point. ;)

sure it is, it shows Russia aggressive nature, Russia is the real enemy, Russia power lust threaten the peace and the west.

[S.A.M.]

:rolleyes: Yeah, those Russians. How many invasions and occupations in the last decade, how many nuclear weapons stationed around the world [2000? 3000? 5000?] how many military bases worldwide, collateral damages, lack of body counts.

Really aggressive.

[Mr.Spock]

:rolleyes: Yeah, those Russians. How many invasions and occupations in the last decade, how many nuclear weapons stationed around the world [2000? 3000? 5000?] how many military bases worldwide, collateral damages, lack of body counts.

Really aggressive.

i dont know about the last decade, but they did invaded Poland, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan and now Georgia and they support north korea along side other extremist dictatorships.

not to mention they dont have any regards even for their own civilians life.

[stretched]

Do you lot seriously believe that Russia "invaded" Georgia? Why don`t you do some non Western media (CNN/Fox) research and check the facts for yourselves? Georgia attacked South Ossetia which initiated a Russian response to protect its interests.

[Captain Kremmen]

[QUOTE=joepistole;1968761]Yes I agree SAM. It is illegal even to joke about such things in the United States. You could have a some folks from the Secret Service knocking on your door soon. As they do patrol cyberspace for potential threats to the president. I would recommend issuing an apology and retraction as soon as possible.


Disclaimer: Knowing that the laws in the USA for even talking bad about its leader or the government are worse than in country’s with vile dictators so I was careful only to make a statement of opinion and not any threats. I would also like to make a public apology and a retraction; “I am sorry that the USA and the world had to endure 8 years of George Bush, and I would like to retract any future trips to the USA”.


America did not have to endure eight years of Bush.
After four years, they voted for another four years of the brainless chump.

(Note from CIA Official. Oiram is adjudged a serious threat to national security. He is to be renditioned immediately to Guanny, and kept naked in a cage with six snarling Rottweilers. )

[joepistole]

[QUOTE=oiram;1969695]
America did not have to endure eight years of Bush.
After four years, they voted for another four years of the brainless chump.

(Note from CIA Official. Oiram is adjudged a serious threat to national security. He is to be renditioned immediately to Guanny, and kept naked in a cage with six snarling Rottweilers. )

Bush juniors elections remain suspect. In the first election, he clearly lost. But was put into power by the supreme court which is dominated by bush loyalists. The second election is suspect because of the use of voting machines that curiously were designed not to leave audit trails. So only the maker of the voting machines knows for sure if the machines yeilded accurate results. And strangely enough, the maker of the voting machines was a big bush junior supporter who is on record as boasting he would deliver key states to bush before the election. And there were many many other problems with the 2004 election caused by shrub supporters. So we may never know the truth of the 2004 election, at best it was very suspect.


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

So I don't think you can blame the American electors for bush getting a second term or first term for that matter. When I went to the polls in 2004 I personally wittnessed a Republican thug trying to intimidate folks to keep them from voting.

[OilIsMastery]

Hilarious that the Liberals on here all want a nuclear war with Russia and don't give a damn about human life.

[Mr.Spock]

Hilarious that the Liberals on here all want a nuclear war with Russia and don't give a damn about human life.

who wants a nuclear war? :confused: