Why do you sometimes believe in christianity?

[Cyperium]

This is a poll (which has a counterpart in this forum) that I think might shed at least some light of understanding between non-christians (including atheists) and christians.

[John99]

Did Norsefire respnd to this or was i seeing things? Again.

[Cyperium]

Did Norsefire respnd to this or was i seeing things? Again.There are two polls :) lol, I want to cover both sides :)

[John99]

oh, thanks Ctperium.

[Cyperium]

oh, thanks Ctperium.It's ok :)

[audible]

This poll is more stupid than the other one, it implies that non-believers pick and choose when they want to believe in Christianity and that they are always deep down Christians " Why do you sometimes believe in christianity?"
When you are a non-believer you cease to believe in cults and myths.

Also as a side note:
Sentient means to feel
Sapient means to know
So this statement is incorrect "Because we are sentient and are able to love and judge to right from wrong."
it should read because we are humans and are able to love, and know right from wrong.

[Steve100]

Because of the complexity of the world, that the world is grand.

Why would the world be so complex if there was a god?
Why would we have such things as atoms, and things?
Why would he bother to go into such detail?

[Cyperium]

Why would the world be so complex if there was a god?
Why would we have such things as atoms, and things?
Why would he bother to go into such detail?To keep you busy perhaps, through these things we gain great understanding of the world.

[Enmos]

I never do.

By the way, shouldn't the last option be "I am a Christian: Other reason." ?

[Cyperium]

This poll is more stupid than the other one, it implies that non-believers pick and choose when they want to believe in Christianity and that they are always deep down Christians " Why do you sometimes believe in christianity?"
When you are a non-believer you cease to believe in cults and myths.

Also as a side note:
Sentient means to feel
Sapient means to know
So this statement is incorrect "Because we are sentient and are able to love and judge to right from wrong."
it should read because we are humans and are able to love, and know right from wrong.This does not imply that non-believers pick and choose when they want to believe! It implies that sometimes we can all believe for at least a brief moment in these things. Or are you that black and white? Interesting if so.

Sentient means to feel, so why would that statement be incorrect? That we feel doesn't rule out the other.

[Cyperium]

I never do.

By the way, shouldn't the last option be "I am a Christian: Other reason." ?Yes, I saw that. Sorry. Polls can't be edited. I can only hope that a administrator does the cleanup...but why would they? It would surely be appreciated though.

[snake river rufus]

I'm an atheist because believing in a god is not logical.

[Cris]

I no longer sometimes believe in Christianity. I now consider the concept of Christianity beyond redemption.

I couldn't answer the poll of course.

[audible]

This does not imply that non-believers pick and choose when they want to believe! It implies that sometimes we can all believe for at least a brief moment in these things.But we cant, there is either objective evidence for a god/gods or there is not, the latter is true. There is no in between, you cant suddenly pick and choose what you believe, when it suits you. Especially regarding objective evidence. Or are you that black and white? Interesting if so.Of course where else can you be, without evidence.Sentient means to feel, so why would that statement be incorrect? That we feel doesn't rule out the other.Ah but it does, because you wouldn't be unable to judge. And please do think about it. It's feel, as in feel pain, touch. Not feel as in have empathy, you need knowledge to do that.

[Medicine*Woman]

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M*W: I'm a non-christian, because it became clear to me that no gods exist. The myth of christianity was copied from earlier myths, and people who believe that myths are real are delusional.

[Cyperium]

But we cant, there is either objective evidence for a god/gods or there is not, the latter is true. There is no in between, you cant suddenly pick and choose what you believe, when it suits you.But that's not what I said, to believe in something, if even for a brief moment, doesn't mean that you choosed it or that you picked it. Sometimes we can just ponder about something and find that it can actually be true even if we reject it afterwards, that to me would equal a brief moment of belief. Just as believers can have brief moments of doubt.

Especially regarding objective evidence. Of course where else can you be, without evidence.Belief doesn't require direct evidence, scientific facts do. And if there is direct evidence why wouldn't you believe it? Therefor it is pretty clear that belief in this sense doesn't correspond to direct evidence or there would be no need for a different word for it. Also there can be intuitive knowledge of these things that you may believe in (subjective knowledge).

Ah but it does, because you wouldn't be unable to judge. And please do think about it. It's feel, as in feel pain, touch. Not feel as in have empathy, you need knowledge to do that.Sentience is to be able to perceive and feel subjectivly. Whether it is the feeling of touch or the feelings of emotions.

[Cyperium]

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M*W: I'm a non-christian, because it became clear to me that no gods exist. The myth of christianity was copied from earlier myths, and people who believe that myths are real are delusional.They don't have to be delusional though. What is it that say that these things cannot exist? And if they can, what is it that say that we can't believe in it?

The only way for us to approach something that we don't know for a fact is to believe in it. So it's certainly not delusional or irrational if the goal is to approach it or gain understanding of it. Rather it is the only way.

Then we can have all kind of moral judgements on those that spread their particular beliefs to others and in what manner they do it, but that is another thing.

[Cyperium]

I'm an atheist because believing in a god is not logical.Knowing for a fact and trying to convince others of "scientific" facts of their beliefs might not be logical, but it is logical to believe in it since there is no other way to gain full and subjective understanding of a concept that is unproved.

[Orleander]

I never believe, but I go through the motions of believing for other people. My daughter says grace, I bow my head. A prayer is said at a wedding, I bow my head. My Mom wants me to sit in a pew with her, I do it.

[SnakeLord]

Sometimes believe in christianity? Lol.. bizarre, nonsensical question.

[Cyperium]

I never believe, but I go through the motions of believing for other people. My daughter says grace, I bow my head. A prayer is said at a wedding, I bow my head. My Mom wants me to sit in a pew with her, I do it.Hmm...that's nice.

[Cyperium]

Sometimes believe in christianity? Lol.. bizarre, nonsensical question.Yeah, I thought so too when I wrote it. But then I thought, why not?


Come on! Someone must believe sometimes!!!

[designationlocutus]

Hello everyone, I'm new to the forum. Hope everyone is well. :)

I think it may be more of a notion of 'something more', or 'seeing through' rather than being attached to a specific religion. I think that most people in the course of their lives ask themselves this question, or look to something greater. Is it better for the 'something more' not to be discovered?

[Cyperium]

Hello everyone, I'm new to the forum. Hope everyone is well. :)

I think it may be more of a notion of 'something more', or 'seeing through' rather than being attached to a specific religion. I think that most people in the course of their lives ask themselves this question, or look to something greater. Is it better for the 'something more' not to be discovered?Hi, pleased to see that I am the first to welcome you to sciforums!

Welcome!

Yeah, I think it might be better for the 'something more' to not be discovered.

It might even be essential that it is not discovered.

[audible]

But that's not what I said, to believe in something, if even for a brief moment, doesn't mean that you chose it or that you had picked it. Sometimes we can just ponder about something and find that it can actually be true even if we reject it afterwards, that to me would equal a brief moment of belief. Just as believers can have brief moments of doubt. That would not be believing in it, but simply mulling it over in your head, it has nothing to do with belief. I repeat you do not switch belief on and off.Belief doesn't require direct evidence, scientific facts do. And if there is direct evidence why wouldn't you believe it?Exactly, you should only belief something with direct evidence, that is why you would not sometimes belief in Christianity. Therefore it is pretty clear that belief in this sense doesn't correspond to direct evidence or there would be no need for a different word for it. Also there can be intuitive knowledge of these things that you may believe in (subjective knowledge).Yes we all have belief based on our imagination, which brings us back to mulling a thing over to decide if it is true or not. it is not belief and then no belief.Sentience is to be able to perceive and feel subjectively. Whether it is the feeling of touch or the feelings of emotions.No not of emotion, animals are sentient, but you need knowledge for emotions, you cant hurt a Deer's feeling. but you can harm it. there is a huge difference.



Sometimes believe in christianity? Lol.. bizarre, nonsensical question.Yeah, I thought so too when I wrote it. But then I thought, why not?
Wow you lier.
"This does not imply that non-believers pick and choose when they want to believe! It implies that sometimes we can all believe for at least a brief moment in these things."
"But that's not what I said, to believe in something, if even for a brief moment, doesn't mean that you choosed it or that you picked it. Sometimes we can just ponder about something and find that it can actually be true even if we reject it afterwards, that to me would equal a brief moment of belief. Just as believers can have brief moments of doubt."
"Belief doesn't require direct evidence, scientific facts do. And if there is direct evidence why wouldn't you believe it? Therefor it is pretty clear that belief in this sense doesn't correspond to direct evidence or there would be no need for a different word for it. Also there can be intuitive knowledge of these things that you may believe in (subjective knowledge)."

[Cyperium]

That would not be believing in it, but simply mulling it over in your head, it has nothing to do with belief. I repeat you do not switch belief on and off.And I repeat, that is not what I said! Belief comes naturally, not something that you switch on and off.

Exactly, you should only belief something with direct evidence, that is why you would not sometimes belief in Christianity.Why would you say that you believe in direct evidence, you know for a fact that it is true! That's why belief in that sense has a much broader purpouse than just scientific facts.

Yes we all have belief based on our imagination, which brings us back to mulling a thing over to decide if it is true or not. it is not belief and then no belief.It can very well be belief then not belief, since new ideas can arise so that you need to correct yourself, belief is fluid - not fixed. When you think about a concept, you can either disbelieve it or believe it, it's not something you decide first hand, but given the right arguments you can feel either belief or disbelief. Then it is for you to decide what makes the most meaning to you.

No not of emotion, animals are sentient, but you need knowledge for emotions, you cant hurt a Deer's feeling. but you can harm it. there is a huge difference.Sentience is the ability to feel or perceive subjectively. There are discussions on whether animals are sentient (if they suffer).

Wiki - Sentience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience)




Wow you lier.Don't accuse me of lying. I recognize that the poll question seem absurd. But I also see that there is more to it than that.