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In a first for a Saudi Arabian leader, King Abdullah will convene a conference in Madrid as part of a Saudi outreach to defuse interfaith tensions, improve Islam's image, and restore respect for religious values.
King Abdullah's initiative – a three-day meeting starting July 16 that will include Muslim, Christian, and Jewish clerics, as well as representatives of Eastern religions – stands out among interfaith gatherings that have become commonplace in the post-9/11 world.
Wonder why he changed the venue from Mecca, I'm guessing the Muttawwas were not too pleased.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0708/p01s03-wome.html
Seems like a pleasant idea to me. Nothing earthshatteringly significant, but it's a nice idea nonetheless.
Kadark the Barbaric
spidergoat
07-07-08, 04:08 PM
That's like getting the oil companies together to figure out our energy policy.
Yeah, we should have Dawkins holding an interfaith meet, that would be a gas.
They probably want to discuss ways to make their faiths more appealing to people in today's day and age. If anything, it will soften some of the more rigid dogmas.
Michael
07-07-08, 11:53 PM
King Abdullah's initiative – a three-day meeting starting July 16 that will include Muslim, Christian, and Jewish clerics, as well as representatives of Eastern religions – stands out among interfaith gatherings that have become commonplace in the post-9/11 world. HElllooooooo.... CoS???
"restore respect for religious values."
A very bad idea, indeed.
Michael
07-08-08, 02:37 PM
I'm still wondering why the Church of Scientology wasn't also invited?!?
Wonder why he changed the venue from Mecca, I'm guessing the Muttawwas were not too pleasedWhat do they care? Isn't Universality the central tenet in Islam?
Yeah, but like mass murdering atheists, there is no logic for people's behaviour.
Yeah, but like mass murdering atheists, there is no guarantee that people's beliefs will be consistent with behaviour.
iceaura
07-09-08, 01:14 AM
There is every reason to believe that people's actions will follow the patterns of their previous actions, though.
Which is why a meeting to "restore respect for religious values" taking place in Saudi Arabia under Saudi governmental auspices, is something that would fit right in on the front page of the Onion.
There is every reason to believe that people's actions will follow the patterns of their previous actions, though.
That actually speaks in favor of the Arabs
That actually speaks in favor of the Arabs
It will be great to have women clergy in Saudi and elsewhere.
That actually speaks in favor of the Arabs
You recently said it was wrong to speak of arabs, giving the impression that they were a homogenous group. So please list, in alphabetical order who exactgly you are referring to. I'll start the ball rolling.
Berbers
It will be great to have women clergy in Saudi and elsewhere.
In Islam, being a clergyman or woman does not have the same meaning as in Christianity. But female imams have always existed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_as_imams
I'm still wondering why the Church of Scientology wasn't also invited?!?
And what about the Mormons and the Jedi Knights? What about the cargo cults of the South Pacific?
Yeah, but like mass murdering atheists, there is no logic for people's behaviour.
Why would Muslims want to mass murder atheists? Is that in the Quran?
"YUSUFALI: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
PICKTHAL: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish. "
Captain Kremmen
07-09-08, 09:23 AM
Wonder why he changed the venue from Mecca, I'm guessing the Muttawwas were not too pleased.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0708/p01s03-wome.html
The other religion's delegates may not like being lashed every time they have a non muslim religious service. Awkward b's!
The other religion's delegates may not like being lashed every time they have a non muslim religious service. Awkward b's!
You could not be more wrong. True Christians are heavily into mortifying the flesh. Read what Paul has to say !
iceaura
07-09-08, 01:07 PM
There is every reason to believe that people's actions will follow the patterns of their previous actions, though.
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That actually speaks in favor of the Arabs If you assign behaviors as racial characteristics, and edit your history carefully.
I was thinking more of the people actually involved.
Michael
07-09-08, 01:16 PM
Yeah, but like mass murdering atheists, there is no guarantee that people's beliefs will be consistent with behaviour.What does the Universal Church of Islam inviting the Universal Church of Scientology have to do with murdering atheists?
What does the Universal Church of Islam inviting the Universal Church of Scientology have to do with murdering atheists?
If I can answer on SAM's behalf, Islam executes apostates. It in their good book to do so
DeepThought
07-09-08, 02:39 PM
Yeah, but like mass murdering atheists, there is no guarantee that people's beliefs will be consistent with behaviour.
Why are you a scientist S.A.M?
If you assign behaviors as racial characteristics, and edit your history carefully.
It's part of the contemporary world view to see blacks as completely innocent victims and whites as guilty of all the worlds problems. Arabs fall in between, depending upon who's agenda you follow.
The media has a terrifying amount of power to shape attitudes and history, and sometimes we refuse to admit that we are beholden to that power.
In Islam, being a clergyman or woman does not have the same meaning as in Christianity. But female imams have always existed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_as_imams
Are they the ones in mini-skirts ?
Why are you a scientist S.A.M?
It's part of the contemporary world view to see blacks as completely innocent victims and whites as guilty of all the worlds problems. Arabs fall in between, depending upon who's agenda you follow.
The media has a terrifying amount of power to shape attitudes and history, and sometimes we refuse to admit that we are beholden to that power.
There is a sense in which the Bible and the Koran are/ were media in that their message forms people's behaviour. What's new ?
Ghost_007
07-09-08, 04:01 PM
Wonder why he changed the venue from Mecca, I'm guessing the Muttawwas were not too pleased.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0708/p01s03-wome.html
I think this guy is alright. He is taking charge and pushing for change and that can only be a good thing.
Why would Muslims want to mass murder atheists? Is that in the Quran?
Its an interfaith meet, not a battle. :D
I think this guy is alright. He is taking charge and pushing for change and that can only be a good thing.
Yeah, he seems to be making sense. Lets wait and see, though.
I think this guy is alright. He is taking charge and pushing for change and that can only be a good thing.
Did you read this?
"restore respect for religious values."
That cannot possibly be a good thing. Religious "values" contradict each other, are cruel and immoral and have caused a lot of bloodshed throughout history.
Its an interfaith meet, not a battle.
Let's count the number of times faiths have met where no battle ensued.
... ?
Let's count the number of times faiths have met where no battle ensued.
... ?
Sure. Its a constant. All materialists are atheists. And they think its okay to kill one year olds. Look around, who is occupying other countries? Who is bombing civilians?
Sure. Its a constant. All materialists are atheists. And they think its okay to kill one year olds. Look around, who is occupying other countries? Who is bombing civilians?
She's lost it again. Spin round and round. :runaway: :crazy:
You're the one who thinks respecting people's beliefs is not required in civilised society. Thats the first step of genocide.
http://www.genocidewatch.org/8stages2006.htm
You're the one who thinks respecting people's beliefs is not required in civilised society. Thats the first step of genocide.
Shaking off an ideology that has placed mankind into slavery for centuries is the first step to killing everyone off? Spin round.
:runaway:
Yeah, lets try atheism, that has such a GREAT track record.
Yeah, lets try atheism, that has such a GREAT track record.
Well, using rationale and reason as opposed to blind faith might have better effects in trying to run the world.
No track record currently exists.
So we're supposed to take it all on faith? :crazy:
So we're supposed to take it all on faith? :crazy:
WTF are you bleating about now? You already rely on blind faith to rule your life and look where it's got you.
Yeah unlike those who had faith on the Marxist ideal of a perfect society. Based on science and equality, it seems, without the "delusions" of religion. Thanks, I'll keep mine. Why did you leave yours?
Yeah unlike those who had faith on the Marxist ideal of a perfect society.
Here we go again. Idiot.
You were placed here by the admins to fuck with everyone, weren't you? No one could possibly be so stupid.
Atheists eat babies; they taste better if you can get them brfore they are baptized.
"I requested further that religion should be criticised in the framework of criticism of political conditions rather than that political conditions should be criticised in the framework of religion, since this is more in accord with the nature of a newspaper and the educational level of the reading public; for religion in itself is without content, it owes its being not to heaven but to the earth, and with the abolition of distorted reality, of which it is the theory, it will collapse of itself. Finally, I desired that, if there is to be talk about philosophy, there should be less trifling with the label “atheism” (which reminds one of children, assuring everyone who is ready to listen to them that they are not afraid of the bogy man), and that instead the content of philosophy should be brought to the people. Voilà tout."
http://www.marxistsfr.org/archive/marx/works/1842/letters/42_11_30.htm
"When the ancient world was in its last throes, the ancient religions were overcome by Christianity. When Christian ideas succumbed in the eighteenth century to rationalist ideas, feudal society fought its death battle with the then revolutionary bourgeoisie. The ideas of religious liberty and freedom of conscience merely gave expression to the sway of free competition within the domain of knowledge.
"Undoubtedly," it will be said, "religious, moral, philosophical, and juridicial ideas have been modified in the course of historical development. But religion, morality, philosophy, political science, and law, constantly survived this change."
"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are common to all states of society. But communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience."
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html
SAM and I know that the Wise Men came from the East on Camels. So there !
Yeah unlike those who had faith on the Marxist ideal of a perfect society. Based on science and equality, it seems, without the "delusions" of religion. Thanks, I'll keep mine. Why did you leave yours?
Some statement to make from someone who posts links to socialist web sites. A little confused?:shrug:
Michael
07-12-08, 02:31 PM
I'm still not clear on why CoS wasn't invited? I think they pretty much share most of the same social values.
Other than polygamy - CoS is not into polygamy. or slavery. CoS is not into slavery. or marrying 12 year olds
iceaura
07-12-08, 03:24 PM
All materialists are atheists. Most theists are materialists - they think the spiritual aspects of the world are supernatural, and the natural world is just material. Some atheists agree, some don't. And they think its okay to kill one year olds. Look around, who is occupying other countries? Who is bombing civilians? As we speak, a bunch of theists, who have to be reminded by their fellows in faith not to strut around claiming their God is stronger than their targets's God, because it's bad PR.
Most theists are materialists - they think the spiritual aspects of the world are supernatural, and the natural world is just material. Some atheists agree, some don't.
Everyone is a materialist, but not everyone considers it an end in itself.
As we speak, a bunch of theists, who have to be reminded by their fellows in faith not to strut around claiming their God is stronger than their targets's God, because it's bad PR.
Assuming (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1013-02.htm) they really are theists. I'd say they show a severe lack of faith. More like atheists, into instant gratification.
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