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JayMoney
07-03-08, 11:12 AM
So yeah I go to a Catholic school and i'd like to be a hopeful believer like most people there but i'm a very pessimistic/skeptical person.
Knowing how incredibly huge the universe is, I find it extremely hard to believe my soul will be transported to another realm when I die and my conciousness will still exist.
I've read about tons of religion traditions, a lot of stuff by philosophers, stuff about creationism, evolution, etc pretty much exploring the whole area
The older I get and the more knowledge that goes into my brain the more doubts I have. The only thing i'm sure of is that I exist right now.
Maybe i'm still clinging to religion because I have hopes for a better life after the present :shrug: maybe I just need to accept that i'm a simple human who is worth nothing and I won't exist in 1000 years.. yay =(
I mean I agree with a lot of religious concepts like loving everyone, being polite, treat others as you wish to be treated but is a magical creator of the universe really going to rescue me when I die :shrug: or am I just a completely irrelevant ant dealing with existential angst ?
I'm not really enjoying my life on earth.. I just get drunk, take drugs and watch time fly.. maybe the drugs are affecting my views of the world. i'm a very paranoid person
On the other hand I think a Creator would fit in perfectly with the complexity of the universe and since I exist in the first place there might be a higher purpose than this world.
I'm a very confused person, someone give me their opinion please it would mean a lot.
cosmictraveler
07-03-08, 11:18 AM
I just get drunk, take drugs and watch time fly.. maybe the drugs are affecting my views of the world
Sounds normal to me! :D
Really though, we all need to get by in this lifetime so we choose a path that we like to follow. Sometimes we deviate from that path and find a new way of looking at things as time goes by, today a Catholic tomorrow a Buddhist who knows. The main thing is to keep yourself happy and content without hurting anyone else along the way if possible. Find those that think like you do also to get the kind of friendships that will coexist with you. ;)
Don't worry about it too much, just be yourself and keep an open mind to all possibilities. The joy of living is in the journey, not the destination. And religion is to make the journey easier, not more difficult. If you find yourself in doubt, thats fine. Whatever makes sense to you, is the right way. :)
Maybe i'm still clinging to religion because I have hopes for a better life after the present maybe I just need to accept that i'm a simple human who is worth nothing and I won't exist in 1000 years.. yay =(
I have found that weighing myself down with the stuff I can't control just leads to a miserable existence. When you focus on the things that matter--your family, your friends, your experiences--that's where you find the joy in life.
If you struggle with faith...then struggle! It's your right to question. You don't owe anyone anything in that department. Ask yourself the questions until you have the answers that make sense to you. Whichever way you end up going, know that it is your truth, and it doesn't matter who believes you.
So yeah I go to a Catholic school and i'd like to be a hopeful believer like most people there but i'm a very pessimistic/skeptical person.
Knowing how incredibly huge the universe is, I find it extremely hard to believe my soul will be transported to another realm when I die and my conciousness will still exist.
I've read about tons of religion traditions, a lot of stuff by philosophers, stuff about creationism, evolution, etc pretty much exploring the whole area
The older I get and the more knowledge that goes into my brain the more doubts I have. The only thing i'm sure of is that I exist right now.
Maybe i'm still clinging to religion because I have hopes for a better life after the present :shrug: maybe I just need to accept that i'm a simple human who is worth nothing and I won't exist in 1000 years.. yay =(
I mean I agree with a lot of religious concepts like loving everyone, being polite, treat others as you wish to be treated but is a magical creator of the universe really going to rescue me when I die :shrug: or am I just a completely irrelevant ant dealing with existential angst ?
I'm not really enjoying my life on earth.. I just get drunk, take drugs and watch time fly.. maybe the drugs are affecting my views of the world. i'm a very paranoid person
On the other hand I think a Creator would fit in perfectly with the complexity of the universe and since I exist in the first place there might be a higher purpose than this world.
I'm a very confused person, someone give me their opinion please it would mean a lot.
life isn't that easy sweetheart...that's why it's a journey. my advice...don't look for anyone else to figure it out for you, and don't take anyone else's word for it. not religion, not a book. this is YOUR life, and it was given to you for a reason. YOU figure it out. communicating, and observing are part of it, but living is the only way to experience. the law is that if you seek you will find...so if you want to know, then seek. if you don't want to know then don't. lots of people don't. and don't limit yourself and don't be afraid. god uses as many different ways to show himself to people as there are people to show. don't sweat it. life sucks so try to have some fun and be good to you and those around you. don't worry about the rules. it's not about the rules.
JayMoney
07-03-08, 12:45 PM
Thanks for the advice everyone it helps.
I have found that weighing myself down with the stuff I can't control just leads to a miserable existence. I agree completely. The problems for me are drug addiction,depression,paranoia, existential angst, etc problems i'm currently drowning in. I find it hard to cope with my irrelevance in this lifetime. Sometimes I feel ok with friends/drugs but other than that I like to numb my existence. I guess what I should really be doing is sorting out my life lol
Maybe I should be pursuing Buddhism, get rid of the negative energy and suffering that exists in my life
Thanks for the advice everyone it helps.
I agree completely. The problems for me are drug addiction,depression,paranoia, existential angst, etc problems i'm currently drowning in. I find it hard to cope with my irrelevance in this lifetime. Sometimes I feel ok with friends/drugs but other than that I like to numb my existence. I guess what I should really be doing is sorting out my life lol
Maybe I should be pursuing Buddhism, get rid of the negative energy and suffering that exists in my life
You sound like you are depressed. I suggest finding out ways to make yourself happy. Buddhism and all is fine, but it won't give relevance to your life. Only you can do that. I find the type of company you keep makes a lot of difference to your outlook. What do you enjoy doing?
Thanks for the advice everyone it helps.
I agree completely. The problems for me are drug addiction,depression,paranoia, existential angst, etc problems i'm currently drowning in. I find it hard to cope with my irrelevance in this lifetime. Sometimes I feel ok with friends/drugs but other than that I like to numb my existence. I guess what I should really be doing is sorting out my life lol
Maybe I should be pursuing Buddhism, get rid of the negative energy and suffering that exists in my life
You don't need Buddhism to get rid of negative energy. That's the first thing you need to rid your mind of--the idea that religion is the inevitable conclusion. Dude, it isn't. You don't need to resort to mythology to find a meaning in life.
Have you considered that maybe you're experiencing this depression because your life is kind of like an endless cycle of drugs and drink? Maybe if you cut those out of your life you'd be happier? I mean, I used to smoke pot heavily when I was a teenager, and I was very depressed. It wasn't until I got rid of the stuff that I found motivation to do things that made me really happy, like reading books or writing stories.
You have given him sound advice;let's hope he takes it. Religion is for the birds !
JayMoney
07-03-08, 03:17 PM
thanks for the responses
What do you enjoy doing?
Nothing special really lol. Have been spending a lot of time alone at home past year. I just smoke weed/drink/pop pills, turn on some rap/heavy metal and play MMORPGS. Sometimes I go see a friend and hang out.. have a minimum wage job too and i'm still finishing school next year(i'm 18 right now i'm behind in school :mad:)
Have you considered that maybe you're experiencing this depression because your life is kind of like an endless cycle of drugs and drink?
Yes. If I put all the stuff away for a month and start to get my mind straight i'll probably end up happier. Sadly i'm in no mood to do that right now lol sometime soon i'll put down the pills/alcohol(which i never mix) and weed.
JayMoney,
I just smoke weed/drink/pop pills, turn on some rap/heavy metal and play MMORPGS. Sometimes I go see a friend and hang out.. have a minimum wage job too and i'm still finishing school next year(i'm 18 right now i'm behind in school )
You sound like you're a pretty big loser. Stop smoking weed, put down the pills, and abstain from alcohol. Embrace the morals of religion, and pray that God takes pity on your soul.
Best of luck,
Kadark the Slayer
So yeah I go to a Catholic school...
It sounds like you are still in highschool. Most people's lives get much better after highschool.
Nothing special really lol. Have been spending a lot of time alone at home past year. I just smoke weed/drink/pop pills, turn on some rap/heavy metal and play MMORPGS. Sometimes I go see a friend and hang out.. have a minimum wage job too and i'm still finishing school next year(i'm 18 right now i'm behind in school :mad:)
That's a red flag to me right there. Weed, drinks and drugs should be done in the company of friends, not alone. Take the advice of everyone in this thread, except Kadark, and try to work out your problems. Religion isn't some sort of fix like Advil that'll take care of you.
JayMoney
07-03-08, 04:16 PM
You sound like you're a pretty big loser. Stop smoking weed, put down the pills, and abstain from alcohol. Embrace the morals of religion, and pray that God takes pity on your soul.
Best of luck,
Kadark the Slayer
lol I wouldn't go as far as to call myself a loser. I still go to parties every once in a while and get girlfriends every couple of months.. I just prefer the company of myself to others most of the time :shrug: thanks for the Luck though.. thanks for the other responses too, hopefully things will get better
That's a red flag to me right there. Weed, drinks and drugs should be done in the company of friends, not alone. Take the advice of everyone in this thread, except Kadark, and try to work out your problems. Religion isn't some sort of fix like Advil that'll take care of you.
Why are you such a hater?
lol I wouldn't go as far as to call myself a loser. I still go to parties every once in a while and get girlfriends every couple of months.. I just prefer the company of myself to others most of the time :shrug: thanks for the Luck though.. thanks for the other responses too, hopefully things will get better
There's nothing wrong with preferring the company of yourself as opposed to the company of others. The problem is that you seem to be a drug-addict gravitating toward religious presence in your life. More power to you: religion is the only thing that will cure your ailments. However, you have to be prepared make some lifestyle sacrifices and alternations (which includes abstaining from the pills, weed, and alcohol). If not, you'll be a half-assed religious follower like DMX. You know, the same DMX who raps about and praises Jesus, only to snort a line of coke after a concert.
I'm all ears,
Kadark the General
CptBork
07-03-08, 04:29 PM
JayMoney,
You sound like you're a pretty big loser. Stop smoking weed, put down the pills, and abstain from alcohol. Embrace the morals of religion, and pray that God takes pity on your soul.
Best of luck,
Kadark the Slayer
Didn't you know? Religion is the opiate of the masses :p
Pass me that God pipe, will ya?
Why are you such a hater?
Because I think you give terrible advice. Nothing personal of course, I'm sure you'd be fun to have a drink with. ;)
JayMoney: Ignore Kadark's second post too.
Because I think you give terrible advice. Nothing personal of course, I'm sure you'd be fun to have a drink with. ;)
JayMoney: Ignore Kadark's second post too.
Yeah? Well, I think your advice sucks raunchy, warts-ridden dick. What matters is what Jay thinks, not what you think, Ashura.
I don't want to make this thread about me.
Continuing as we were,
Kadark the Assassin
What matters is what Jay thinks, not what you think, Ashura.
Not quite, after all Jay was interested in knowing what members of this forum thought, hence why I gave him my advice. That involves me pointing out when I think the advice of others is crap. But yes Mr. Assassin, let's keep this thread about JayMoney.
Not quite, after all Jay was interested in knowing what members of this forum thought, hence why I gave him my advice. That involves me pointing out when I think the advice of others is crap. But yes Mr. Assassin, let's keep this thread about JayMoney.
Ah, my fault entirely: I severely overestimated the manners of my fellow members. I see now that you haven't the foggiest conception of courtesy. Jay seemed to appreciate my sentiments, much to your dismay.
Then again, what do I know?
Kadark the Impaler
Well Kadark, I sincerely hope for your sake you don't make that mistake again. :)
And none of my dismay actually. After all, it was your sentiments and not your advice that was taken.
Knowing how incredibly huge the universe is, I find it extremely hard to believe my soul will be transported to another realm when I die and my conciousness will still exist.
it may sound weird, but it's still true. it doesn't matter if you believe me or not, because you will still go to an afterlife when you die.
The older I get and the more knowledge that goes into my brain the more doubts I have.
i used to have many doubts too. until i started questioning things so much that i even started to doubt my own doubting. so now i believe in stuff like afterlife and atlantis.
Maybe i'm still clinging to religion because I have hopes for a better life after the present :shrug: maybe I just need to accept that i'm a simple human who is worth nothing and I won't exist in 1000 years.. yay =(
i've never understood why people fear non-existence. even if it existed.
but is a magical creator of the universe really going to rescue me when I die :shrug:
you will go to heaven after you die no matter what you believe or do in your life. after you have stayed in heaven (spirit world) a few years, you will be reincarnated back to earth.
or am I just a completely irrelevant ant dealing with existential angst ?
you said that the only thing you're sure is that you exist, but if that's true, you're certainly not a completely irrelevant ant... you are the center of the universe.
Maybe I should be pursuing Buddhism, get rid of the negative energy and suffering that exists in my life
try buddhism if it feels right. there are different religions in the world because there are so many different people, so different religions work for different people.
Well Kadark, I sincerely hope for your sake you don't make that mistake again. :)
And none of my dismay actually. After all, it was your sentiments and not your advice that was taken.
Sounds like you're jealous of my advice, ashura.
JayMoney: Ignore ashura. Everybody with experience on this forum knows that he's a good-for-nothing hater. Did you see the way he aggressively assaulted me for offering you heartfelt advice? Whoops, better keep our voices down ... I think he can hear us. What a creep.
Kadark the Exalted
Jealous? Aggressive? Someone's a little touchy. But whatever helps you sleep at night oh exalted one.
Didn't you know? Religion is the opiate of the masses :p
Pass me that God pipe, will ya?
You get full Marx for that reply.
PsychoticEpisode
07-03-08, 06:12 PM
I find it hard to cope with my irrelevance in this lifetime.
Who hasn't? You know, you're not alone. Name a problem and lots of people have experienced it. We all go through bouts of depression at one time or another.
So what does that mean? It means there are knowledgeable people out there in tune with your neuroses, willing to help you at no cost. All you have to is contact them. When you do, the first question you should ask them is why they do it.
EmptyForceOfChi
07-03-08, 09:05 PM
Take up A physical hobby like martial arts firstly, Stop the drugs (pills first they are easy to stop taking and the worst on your list.) Find a nice girl who is a good influence on your life and does'nt get drunk and do drugs. I would say listen to more positive music but I listen to hard rap mostly so im a hypocrite.
Don't stop searching for the truth, I know it can be hard when you think of your existence coming to a complete end, your doubts and fears are normal we all think like that at times. I was raised as an atheist and in my later teen years and into my early twenties I have been daoist, but im starting to lean towards believing in god for a few reasons. Just look around at the natural surroundings and observe nature taking place things will make more sense to you the more time you spend with nature. Also for me personaly beautiful angels keep comming into my life trying to bring me closer to god. one of them left me but it didnt take long for another to swoop in and tell me god loves me.
Does this happen to anybdy else? the most beautiful angel like girls just come to you and want to spend there time and life with you telling you god is there and he loves you, its very strange but im not complaining.
peace.
Are we really fighting for this kid's soul? Count me in.
This isn't exactly directed at Jay, but more a general statement; isn't it funny how the only one who is being so aggressive, being so urgent in their approach is the religious zealot? It's deeply disturbing to me that these religious types are so desperate to convert sinners that they will resort to insults, and claim that God is the only way out.
It simply isn't true. God is one way out. Yes, Jay, finding Jesus may help you find your way out of your troubles. If you can read the Bible for the good parts while ignoring the bigoted, racist, sexist bad stuff, then it provides a very nice guideline for living a good life.
But you could also achieve that by just getting your head on straight. Realizing that the "I don't feel like stopping now" mentality does not have an off-ramp. Once you accept that excuse, you'll never find a reason to do anything else. And obviously you're a young dude, and I'm not saying you have to stop taking recreational drugs and stop drinking like a fish right now...I'm just saying that if you really are hurting, then it is absolutely something you should consider. Like you said, bro, you can already see the light at the end of the tunnel, you said yourself that if you stopped you'd probably be happier (for whatever reasons, I won't ask you to elaborate), so...why not do it now?
I think experiencing the more dangerous parts of life are best kept in your youth, so I feel ya, man. When I was a teenager, I did my share of shit. I didn't pop pills or anything, but I knew how to drink my vodka and scotch and smoke my weed. I got it out of my system. And at the end of the day, I knew that I couldn't maintain like that. I couldn't be a drunk hero my entire life. Maybe it was easier for me because I had drug addicts and alcoholics in my family that I could watch destroy themselves so I would know better, I don't know. But if you don't, at least take our advice on it.
But if you take nothing else away from us, take this: You don't owe anyone anything. You are not born in debt, nor are you in debt now, to any god whatsoever. Your soul needs no saving. Do not let the fear mongers bully you into anything. If you want to get saved, by all means do it. But don't do it because you're afraid of the consequences. Don't do it because someone told you that you're going to hell if you don't. Do it for the reason my Mother does it--because she feels a connection with God. If you don't feel it, then there's nothing wrong with you.
being so aggressive,
better to be mad than sad. it feels better
lol I wouldn't go as far as to call myself a loser. I still go to parties every once in a while and get girlfriends every couple of months.. I just prefer the company of myself to others most of the time :shrug: thanks for the Luck though.. thanks for the other responses too, hopefully things will get better
Its okay to like your own company, but instead of weed and alcohol, why not use the time spent with your self to do something meaningful rather than meaningless? Why not set yourself goals, where do you want to be 5 years from now? Make a list, figure out what you need to do to get there and start working on it. Being on your own is not a bad thing if you're working for yourself. :)
Oh and ignore all the zealots, both for religion and against. Find out what you are comfortable with. ;)
JayMoney
07-04-08, 07:24 PM
Thanks again for the answers !
I'm definitely going to quit pills soon(cut down slowly) and stick to weed and the occasional drink
Do it for the reason my Mother does it--because she feels a connection with God. If you don't feel it, then there's nothing wrong with you.
That's good to know. That's definitely not what they'd tell me at school lol
spidergoat
07-04-08, 10:14 PM
At least pills are more real than God.
I find it extremely hard to believe my soul will be transported to another realm when I die and my conciousness will still exist
Many people are quick to dismiss any thought of an afterlife. I'm curious as to why this is.
The fact that we're even alive to begin with, living on a water-filled rock hurling through space should be inconceivable, yet here we are. Is it the term 'after' life that's the problem? If a soul were to exist, then you would think that death does not.... that's it's just a transition.
So, if we can we conceive that we here today, why is the 'after' so far-fetched? Because the here and now is tangible? If we don't know if there's anything after this life, why are we so quick to dismiss it? Is hatred of organized religion blinding those who would otherwise be impartial, or least open to the possibility?
Many people are quick to dismiss any thought of an afterlife. I'm curious as to why this is.
The fact that we're even alive to begin with, living on a water-filled rock hurling through space should be inconceivable, yet here we are. Is it the term 'after' life that's the problem? If a soul were to exist, then you would think that death does not.... that's it's just a transition.
So, if we can we conceive that we here today, why is the 'after' so far-fetched? Because the here and now is tangible? If we don't know if there's anything after this life, why are we so quick to dismiss it? Is hatred of organized religion blinding those who would otherwise be impartial, or least open to the possibility?
Do yourself a favor, Jay, and dismiss this intellectually fraudulent and broken line of logic. There's no reason to believe that us being here should be inconceivable. The more we learn about how damn resourceful life is, the more we'll understand that we are an inevitability rather than an an improbability. And we are by no means "hurtling through space". We are on a predictable path, and we are SO not the only planet that has this trait. If all of this was so improbable, then why is there so fucking much of it? You know why? Because their beliefs come from a time when we didn't know we weren't the only planet out there, and we CERTAINLY didn't have any grasp whatsoever at just how f'n huge the universe is.
People like this are asking you to say "Fuck off" to your brain, and submit to the illogical idea that you, somehow, despite the fact that your body will die and rot, are an eternal being. If you want religion for the comfort of believing you'll never really die, fine. But please don't let people like this use junk philosophy to sway you.
scorpius
07-05-08, 10:08 PM
So yeah I go to a Catholic school and i'd like to be a hopeful believer like most people there but i'm a very pessimistic/skeptical person.
Knowing how incredibly huge the universe is, I find it extremely hard to believe my soul will be transported to another realm when I die and my conciousness will still exist.
I've read about tons of religion traditions, a lot of stuff by philosophers, stuff about creationism, evolution, etc pretty much exploring the whole area
The older I get and the more knowledge that goes into my brain the more doubts I have. The only thing i'm sure of is that I exist right now.
Maybe i'm still clinging to religion because I have hopes for a better life after the present :shrug: maybe I just need to accept that i'm a simple human who is worth nothing and I won't exist in 1000 years.. yay =(
yeah I noticed that all religious people who are unable to succeed in life cling to the same after life dream haven fantasy,its a waste of time imo.
after all IF it existed and ALL lived for eternity dont you think the heavenly paradise would soon get overpopulated and became uninhabitable?:p
everyone is just a simple human,even people like Einstein and Bill Gates,
but then, I feel that anyone using their mind to the fullest can become great at something.
I think that at your age you shouldnt worry about religion or death but concentrate on improving your skool grades and geting some good education,
even if you live only average lifespan its much nicer with enough money in your pocket then being poor broken drunk or junkie,
besides that shyt will just kill you if you dont stop,just look at all those famous people with drugs or booze problems..its a slow painful death,thats why I wouldnt touch drugs no matter how depressed I was,
drugs dont cure depression,...you have to find a REASON for depression first to cure it...I think you already know though youre just lazy to do anything about it
I mean I agree with a lot of religious concepts like loving everyone, being polite, treat others as you wish to be treated but is a magical creator of the universe really going to rescue me when I die :shrug: or am I just a completely irrelevant ant dealing with existential angst ?
I'm not really enjoying my life on earth.. I just get drunk, take drugs and watch time fly.. maybe the drugs are affecting my views of the world. i'm a very paranoid person
On the other hand I think a Creator would fit in perfectly with the complexity of the universe and since I exist in the first place there might be a higher purpose than this world.
maybe theres no purpose,maybe our purpose is to figure out what is our purpose is...
maybe we truly have free will and god doesnt interfere,
just observes how we behave,and judges us according to our actions,that would be the only god worth being called GOD imo.
maybe we should stop dreaming and DO something about making this world a better place,you know just in case theres no haven,we could create one on Earth,but then I guess religion would first have to go,eh?
Crunchy Cat
07-05-08, 11:59 PM
So yeah I go to a Catholic school and i'd like to be a hopeful believer like most people there but i'm a very pessimistic/skeptical person.
Knowing how incredibly huge the universe is, I find it extremely hard to believe my soul will be transported to another realm when I die and my conciousness will still exist.
I've read about tons of religion traditions, a lot of stuff by philosophers, stuff about creationism, evolution, etc pretty much exploring the whole area
The older I get and the more knowledge that goes into my brain the more doubts I have. The only thing i'm sure of is that I exist right now.
Maybe i'm still clinging to religion because I have hopes for a better life after the present :shrug: maybe I just need to accept that i'm a simple human who is worth nothing and I won't exist in 1000 years.. yay =(
I mean I agree with a lot of religious concepts like loving everyone, being polite, treat others as you wish to be treated but is a magical creator of the universe really going to rescue me when I die :shrug: or am I just a completely irrelevant ant dealing with existential angst ?
I'm not really enjoying my life on earth.. I just get drunk, take drugs and watch time fly.. maybe the drugs are affecting my views of the world. i'm a very paranoid person
On the other hand I think a Creator would fit in perfectly with the complexity of the universe and since I exist in the first place there might be a higher purpose than this world.
I'm a very confused person, someone give me their opinion please it would mean a lot.
Which do you value more... satiating your psychological needs or truth?
Is truth beyond psychology?
Crunchy Cat
07-07-08, 11:40 AM
I don't understand your question.
Jay, you are in the middle of what happens in every life to some extent.
Everyone wonders if they 'mean anything'. Everyone.
I strongly suggest the chemical antidotes you use are not ever successful in fixing the problem and very seldom does anything but barely mask the pain while introducing more problems. If you can't quit on your own - most can't - get help. The sooner the better.
Kadark is more or less right, except for one thing. God does love you. God loves you since the beginning of time. You don't have to do things to make God love you. You - and the rest of us - need to work on not offending God, but God already loves you. God made you, and has a purpose for you.
I think you can PM me, Jay. Please feel free. I'm not Roman Catholic, but I'm hardcore Baptist Christian. We can connect.
You - and the rest of us - need to work on not offending God
And that right there is the bitter poison that religion offers. Fear of an invisible, phony, fake God.
Save your conversion BS, Archie.
JDawg, do you carry that chip hoping someone will bump into you?
Clearly, you're having serious problems with God.
Leave it to the Christian to be the most judgmental person in the room...
Anyway, I have no problems with God. It's impossible to have a problem with a fictional character. This is a religion discussion forum. I speak my mind.
EmptyForceOfChi
07-08-08, 10:47 PM
At least pills are more real than God.
But if believing in god makes your life 100 times better and gives it more substance, makes you happier, gives you hope for the future and helps your suffering and pain throughout life does that not make it real?.
I mean god does not have to be some guy sitting up ontop of a cloudy heaven with white robes and long grey hair with a commanding voice. God can be different to different people, he could be the very universe itself, he could be the force behind what created existence, he could be a spiritual meaning of greatness, he could be real inside your immagination and mind alone, but the effect that god has on your life is very real and therefore too me that makes it reality.
The bible does not represent god its just a book, same goes for the quran. Is putting your mind at ease really that bad, having faith in something that helps you through life, people can call it dellusion if they wish but everyone just runs around there whole life searching for the answer to lifes questions and the origin of existence, is it reall that bad to believe and have faith that you hav actualy found the answer to lifes mystery and in return it gves you hope and lets you just get on with your life and have fun, not worrying or searching anymore?.
peace.
KennyJC
07-21-08, 05:59 AM
Many people are quick to dismiss any thought of an afterlife. I'm curious as to why this is.
Err, your brain gets eaten by worms and rotts into an indistinguishable stinking puss bag. If there was a 'soul' that carried your memory, thoughts, emotions etc etc. then we would not need a brain at all.
The fact that we're even alive to begin with, living on a water-filled rock hurling through space should be inconceivable, yet here we are. Is it the term 'after' life that's the problem?
It's the term 'fuck-all-evidence' that is the problem. In the real world, science really has made huge strides, and there is nothing that supports your humungous list of supernatural mumbojumbo.
If a soul were to exist, then you would think that death does not.... that's it's just a transition.
Everything about us can be explained by the brain, thus rendering the use of the word 'soul' completely irrelevant and just a childish explanation of our existence by people who know nothing about what makes us tick.
Our brain exists, and death exists.
So, if we can we conceive that we here today, why is the 'after' so far-fetched? Because the here and now is tangible? If we don't know if there's anything after this life, why are we so quick to dismiss it? Is hatred of organized religion blinding those who would otherwise be impartial, or least open to the possibility?
The fact that you don't know it's far-fetched is due to your obvious lack of care for the truth. I know you have no knowledge of science and mistrust of the material world, but from the perspective of the material world we are machines that are destined to fail and break apart. It's the same of all materials. When stars explode into a supernova, they don't turn up in star heaven do they? No, of course not. If a star could think, it would be accused of wishful thinking which is exactly what I'm accusing you of.
You believe in a flying zombie, so therefore I can render your musings about an afterlife as complete bullshit. I laugh at you.
Ha Ha.
inzomnia
07-21-08, 08:01 AM
So yeah I go to a Catholic school and i'd like to be a hopeful believer like most people there but i'm a very pessimistic/skeptical person.
Knowing how incredibly huge the universe is, I find it extremely hard to believe my soul will be transported to another realm when I die and my conciousness will still exist.
I've read about tons of religion traditions, a lot of stuff by philosophers, stuff about creationism, evolution, etc pretty much exploring the whole area
The older I get and the more knowledge that goes into my brain the more doubts I have. The only thing i'm sure of is that I exist right now.
Maybe i'm still clinging to religion because I have hopes for a better life after the present :shrug: maybe I just need to accept that i'm a simple human who is worth nothing and I won't exist in 1000 years.. yay =(
I mean I agree with a lot of religious concepts like loving everyone, being polite, treat others as you wish to be treated but is a magical creator of the universe really going to rescue me when I die :shrug: or am I just a completely irrelevant ant dealing with existential angst ?
I'm not really enjoying my life on earth.. I just get drunk, take drugs and watch time fly.. maybe the drugs are affecting my views of the world. i'm a very paranoid person
On the other hand I think a Creator would fit in perfectly with the complexity of the universe and since I exist in the first place there might be a higher purpose than this world.
I'm a very confused person, someone give me their opinion please it would mean a lot.
I suppose your question will be answered soon or later, i.e. after your life is over,
until then nobody knows. Meanwhile, why not make the best of it?
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