Mass *has* gravity

[quantum_wave]

Mass has gravity.

Quantum waves are continually emanating from mass. The containment of the positive energy of the "push" peak of the waves within the mass itself accounts for a continual renewal of the mass.

The containment of the positive energy of the "push" peak of the waves results in a net minus energy emanation. The emanated wave has the full negative pull energy of the pull trough of the quantum waves less the contained positive push energy of the push peak of the waves.

This net pull of negative energy that emanates from mass is gravity.

[James R]

Did you have a question?

[Reiku]

You can simplify it even more.

Mass not only has a gravity, it seems to be gravity itself...

I refer you to read,

''Parallel Universes: The Search for Other Worlds, 1985.''

[quantum_wave]

Did you have a question?

This is the forum to present alternative cosmological ideas if I read the rules correctly. The statement in the OP is the bottom line of my personal cosmology.

[quantum_wave]

You can simplify it even more.

Mass not only has a gravity, it seems to be gravity itself...

I refer you to read,

''Parallel Universes: The Search for Other Worlds, 1985.''Thank you. I took a look at the book contents and index on Amazon and it does look like it talks about some of the same ideas that I have in my cosmology. So I put it on hold at the library and the only copy is across town so it will take them a few days to get it for me but I am interested in looking at it.

[ripleofdeath]

i disagree.
mass plus energy has gravity.

mass alone with no inert energy has no gravity.

the space station is a good example
the alpha rotary joint keeps attracting dust which is most likely because it has inert energy and is one of the only points on the structure that has inert energy while also having mass in a micro gravity environment.

i have not suggested this to nasa but then why would they bother paying any attention to me anyway.
been thinking on this very subject for the last few months.
seems to make sense to my way of thinking.


and

given the precepts of string theory combined with my own unified feild theory mass is just as likely to have negative gravity as positive gravity in a gravity free environment, which is likely the base polarity of dark matter.
but i have not spent much thought on it really.
got more important things to think about at the moment.

[quantum_wave]

[COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="2"]i disagree.
mass plus energy has gravity.

mass alone with no inert energy has no gravity.

...

given the precepts of string theory combined with my own unified feild theory mass is just as likely to have negative gravity as positive gravity in a gravity free environment...
Mass and energy are equivalent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-energy_equivalence

Roughly quoting Smolin, "string theory has failed to make any falsifiable predictions but makes many startling assertions about the world" ... with no supporting evidence.

Quantum wave cosmology on the other hand operates in three dimensions and does not require spacetime coupling. It requires an energy background and energy density fluctuations in that background caused by quantum waves that are the result of quantum action. Quantum action is the collapse of a quantum of energy due to convergences of quantum waves which concentrate background energy from an initial "quantum space" into a high density spot and then the burst of that spot back into quantum waves. For talking purposes the time involved in one quantum action is 10^-50 seconds.

[quantum_wave]

As suggested and to find out where Fred Allen Wolf was coming from, I read Parallel Universes. It is quite interesting if you want a good view of where the science of quantum mechanics was in the 1990's and how the uncertainty principle can be interpreted.

Wolf interprets it to imply that if we can't know both the location and momentum of a particle then it has a probability of being anywhere, even "other worlds". He goes on to infer that other worlds are parallel universes and hence the premise of his book.

Quantum Wave Cosmology recognizes other arenas within the greater infinite universe but not because of the uncertainty principle. Other arenas exist because they are finite entities within an infinite universe and each arena is playing out in a consistent and similar fashion.

Arenas form from the remnants of other arenas that have played out.

Gravity causes big crunches to form from the remnants of prior arenas. The big crunches burst into finite expanding "universes" like our arena as a result of the physics of quantum action and containment. Quantum action and containment taken to their max under the pressure at the core of the big crunch activates the physical effect called critical capacity which marks the point where mass ceases to exert gravity. It is then no longer mass; it is contained (potential) energy locked in the core of the big crunch.

The result is that the big crunch fails from within and when the built up locked quantum action is finally released the big crunch bursts. The burst occurs when the potential energy of quantum action suppressed at the core overcomes the diminishing gravitational force of the crunch. The burst releases the push energy held in the locked core to form the expansion phase which we are now observing in our arena.

The push phase of quantum action is part of the quantum wave that results from quantum action. Quantum action is a collapse of energy followed by the burst of that energy back into quantum waves.

The collapse results in a pull energy and the burst results in a push energy, both contained in the wave form of the quantum wave produced by quantum action. The quantum wave is a spherical wave with a leading trough of low energy density (pull energy) immediately followed by a peak of high energy density (push energy).

The pull exerts gravity as it passes and the push offsets the pull so the net energy of a passing quantum wave passing through space would be zero if there was no interference.

But of course there is interference in the form of other quantum waves. When quantum waves intersect along their expanding spherical surfaces the pull and the push of the two waves combine and the intersections move through space at the combined energies. The leading pull is stronger and the trailing push is stronger at the intersection.

The convergence of quantum wave intersections forces the high energy density peak to reach a point called a high density spot. The high density spot when it forms is surrounded by the low energy density of the pull troughs of the intersecting waves. This is the point of the highest gravity and highest mass density in the "life" of that high density spot. The spot bursts because the high density of the spot cannot be contained when the convergence has played out.

The high density spot is the combined peaks of the multiple intersecting quantum waves as they converge. Depending on the energy density of the environment where the convergences occur, the energy density of the high density spots can become very great.

But regardless of the density of the environment there is a limit to the possible energy density of the high density spots because they are a product of their environment. They always exceed the energy density of their environment and burst into a quantum wave which disburses their contained energy back into the environment. This happens at the smallest scale like with the quantum waves that account for the energy that makes up a photon and at the largest scale like the energy that makes up an arena.

That scenario is the premise of Quantum Wave Cosmology.

[Cannon]

No matter how small the mass may be it still curves the space around it.

[Cannon]

The space that one proton curves space may not be known, but at some point, it will be.

[thecollage]

You mean gravity has mass. I wish people would quit getting them backwards.

[quantum_wave]

You mean gravity has mass. I wish people would quit getting them backwards.It's like, which came first, the mass or the gravity :D.

I say that mass and gravity have both always existed. Of course that puts my Quantum Wave Cosmology at odds with BBT cosmology which tracks back to a beginning about 13.7 billion years ago.

But I say energy is all there is and mass is composed of energy, and gravity and mass are characteristics of the same phenomenon that I call the quantum action of energy.

And I go on to say that energy is eternal, and not in a religious context; eternal in that it cannot be destroyed and it cannot appear out of nothingness.

And I might add that just because in Quantum Wave Cosmology the universe is infinite and has always existed, it does not say that there is no God; it says that there is no irrefutable proof one way or the other.

[quantum_wave]

There is some logic to my premise that the universe has always existed. There is no possible proof of that fact but in my estimation it has a higher probability than the premise that the universe came from nothingness.

One problem people often have with my view is that big bang theory and general relativity imply a beginning. The implication is that our universe must have come from an infinitely dense zero volume singular event about 13.7 billion years ago.

To me it boils down to the probability that there were some unknown preconditions to the big bang vs. the probability that anything can come from nothing, let alone the entire universe.

So the way I look at it, I have the high ground when it comes to the probabilities. It is likely that what we call the big bang, and what I prefer to say was the cause of the initial expansion of our observable universe, was the result of prior conditions.

Though big bang advocates object when people speculate about "before or beyond" the big bang, they do so because they have the idea that time and space began with the big bang, but the theory doesn't actually start at the bang, it starts a fraction of a second after the bang :D. Their nice neat finite spacetime universe is based on the lack of evidence of any precondition but they disregard that there is no evidence that anything can come from nothing. Which is more reasonable, something from nothing or something that has always existed? I choose energy that has always existed.

It is from this high ground that Quantum Wave Cosmology was developed. QWC is simply the physics of quantum action that enables big bangs.

[Reiku]

Thank you. I took a look at the book contents and index on Amazon and it does look like it talks about some of the same ideas that I have in my cosmology. So I put it on hold at the library and the only copy is across town so it will take them a few days to get it for me but I am interested in looking at it.

Well my my... you looked up the book i suggested. It's good yes?

I think wolf has an amazing ability to explain physics to even scientists. The book i referred was actually written in 1985, and i must admit, many of the theories are now outdated, but the larger chunk of understanding into the laws and principles still hold today.

Take the example you gave him talking about; the uncertainty principle. When he wrote that book, not many physicists understood the uncertainty principle correctly, because it was considered a very complex discipline, (which it almost certainly is conceptually).

Good for you m8!

[Vkothii]

You may not have heard about this dude who was sitting in an orchard one day.

Gravity is a name for the thing that keeps bits of mass accelerating toward each other. When they are together, or when they get together, they aren't apart any more, right?

The reasons why things stay together or try to get together if they aren't are the same reason, essentially. These questions have occupied the minds of men since long before we started growing apples in orchards, but that dude and another one a couple of centuries later have answered these questions in the large.

We still don't know the fundamental reason that mass exists, but we know a lot more about how it behaves in the large and at a fundamental level. At which there appears to be some impassable limit (an extremely small, but significant one), related possibly to the existence, or mass of all the large stuff we deal with, like apples and oranges. And computers and electricity.
Lots of things really.

[quantum_wave]

Well my my... you looked up the book i suggested. It's good yes?

I think wolf has an amazing ability to explain physics to even scientists. The book i referred was actually written in 1985, and i must admit, many of the theories are now outdated, but the larger chunk of understanding into the laws and principles still hold today.

Take the example you gave him talking about; the uncertainty principle. When he wrote that book, not many physicists understood the uncertainty principle correctly, because it was considered a very complex discipline, (which it almost certainly is conceptually).

Good for you m8!Yes I did and thank you for suggesting it. I wanted to see how Wolf tied in the physics with the parallel universes idea. I have to say that the existence of other dimensions seems unnecessary. String theory seems destined to fade from the scene and quantum mechanics is waiting for results from the LHC accelerator.

Quantum waves are the wave of the future :).

The uncertainty principle at first makes sense because it is obvious that the act of observing fundamental particles interrupts the natural action of the particles observed. We can never know for certain both the location and momentum of a particle.

However, the wave function which represents the set of probabilities of the location and momentum of a particle has been taken to extremes in my opinion. To speculate other worlds in other dimensions based on the uncertainty principle ... if there was a quantum physics that explained how mass and gravity co-exist and form from energy without other dimensions that would be better.

I'm not being audacious when I write about such as yet undiscovered physics in the quantum realm. I don't claim to know anything that the professional quantum physicists don't know and at a working level I don't know a fraction of what they know through experiments and hands on. I don't try to follow the mountains of math that lead to new mountains that most people can't hope to climb. But that doesn't disqualify me from seeing where they are in the search for what causes mass to form, what causes gravity, and how the quantum world works.

They don't have the answers, they don't seem to be able to unravel the evidence that they do have, they keep finding new levels of particles and they keep searching because that is what they do. But the final answer is elusive.

All I have done with Quantum Wave Cosmology is anticipate success in the search for a unifying force and speculate about what "success" might be like.

Then I have taken that speculated unifying theory of quantum energy waves and combined it with observations we have about the known universe to see what kind of universe such a combination would support.

The current standard cosmology, the Big Bang Theory rests on general relativity that features spacetime that backtracks to a singularity and on the cosmological principle with predicts homogeneity and isotropy in the greater universe. It is a good working theory based on known physics and models largely derived mathematically but it isn't a complete cosmology since it doesn't address the actual beginning or how such a beginning came about or what caused the expansion that we observe.

Discovery of a unifying force will change the standard cosmology. The cause of the observed expansion and the preconditions of that expansion will come into better focus. The physics of matter formation, gravity, expansion and accelerating expansion, dark energy, dark matter and the cure for the common cold (:)) are all wrapped up in the discovery of the unifying fundamental force that operates at the infinitesimal level to provide the power that fuels all of the useful energy across the infinite universe.

My writing is about such a discovery, the ultimate success in the quantum search that will lead to Quantum Wave Cosmology.

[quantum_wave]

...

We still don't know the fundamental reason that mass exists, but we know a lot more about how it behaves in the large and at a fundamental level. At which there appears to be some impassable limit (an extremely small, but significant one) ... Yes indeed, at the infinitesimal level of order there is a source of power that fuels mass, gravity and what science books call the ability of energy to do work.

The scientific community is working on the details but quantum mechanics is incomplete and string theory makes no testable predictions, so you are right so far about the “impassable limit”. Put simply, the current impasse is seen as the incompatibility between quantum mechanics and general relativity. The incompatibility can be referred to as a difference between Einstein’s dynamic spacetime that could have had a beginning and Newton’s fixed space what had no beginning and was just space where everything exists and happens.

Quantum Wave Cosmology goes to that impasse and suggests some physics that would resolve it. We know that something is operating at the quantum level to provide useful energy in the form of mass. It is generally accepted that mass and energy are equivalent in e = mc² proportions. Three key questions that science is working on are how mass forms, how it contains its energy, and the cause of and the field across which gravity is transmitted between mass (spacetime and curved space of General Relativity describe the effect and not the cause of gravity).

We know how to release the atomic energy but we don’t have a complete particle model that explains all of the relationships at the fundamental particle level. The cause of gravity is not described yet by QM either. The new accelerator, the LHC at Cern (http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/) is coming online to help in the research process, but it is likely that though new levels of particles and particle interactions will be discovered, the final answers will remain elusive.

Quantum Wave Cosmology that I am introducing describes a more fundamental level of energy and interaction, a commonality between all of the fundamental particles described in the particle model and so it is speculation. But it is reasonable and responsible speculation if you look at it as it was developed, i.e. one step at a time.

I mentioned the first step was to go “before” the big bang and I speculate that space, time and energy pre-existed the big bang. To help understand the realm of QWC, it was developed as a model where the universe is infinite, is composed of energy and has always existed.

[Reiku]

Yes indeed, at the infinitesimal level of order there is a source of power that fuels mass, gravity and what science books call the ability of energy to do work.

The scientific community is working on the details but quantum mechanics is incomplete and string theory makes no testable predictions, so you are right so far about the “impassable limit”. Put simply, the current impasse is seen as the incompatibility between quantum mechanics and general relativity. The incompatibility can be referred to as a difference between Einstein’s dynamic spacetime that could have had a beginning and Newton’s fixed space what had no beginning and was just space where everything exists and happens.

Quantum Wave Cosmology goes to that impasse and suggests some physics that would resolve it. We know that something is operating at the quantum level to provide useful energy in the form of mass. It is generally accepted that mass and energy are equivalent in e = mc² proportions. Three key questions that science is working on are how mass forms, how it contains its energy, and the cause of and the field across which gravity is transmitted between mass (spacetime and curved space of General Relativity describe the effect and not the cause of gravity).

We know how to release the atomic energy but we don’t have a complete particle model that explains all of the relationships at the fundamental particle level. The cause of gravity is not described yet by QM either. The new accelerator, the LHC at Cern (http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/) is coming online to help in the research process, but it is likely that though new levels of particles and particle interactions will be discovered, the final answers will remain elusive.

Quantum Wave Cosmology that I am introducing describes a more fundamental level of energy and interaction, a commonality between all of the fundamental particles described in the particle model and so it is speculation. But it is reasonable and responsible speculation if you look at it as it was developed, i.e. one step at a time.

I mentioned the first step was to go “before” the big bang and I speculate that space, time and energy pre-existed the big bang. To help understand the realm of QWC, it was developed as a model where the universe is infinite, is composed of energy and has always existed.

''Yes indeed, at the infinitesimal level of order there is a source of power that fuels mass, gravity and what science books call the ability of energy to do work.''

You might want to read up on the Zero-Point Energy Field. It turns out that even at the infinitesimal pointlike size of the electron, there is also a zero-point, and sounds similar to what you where hinting at here. The idea, is that even at absolute temperatures, where there is thought to be a cut-off of energy, we still find a lot of movement. This was originally called, ''Residual energy,'' but the name ''Zero-Point Energy,'' fell into usage more. It is the source of all energy, which is the equivalant to all matter, and even quantum information :)

''We know how to release the atomic energy but we don’t have a complete particle model that explains all of the relationships at the fundamental particle level. The cause of gravity is not described yet by QM either. The new accelerator, the LHC at Cern (http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/) is coming online to help in the research process, but it is likely that though new levels of particles and particle interactions will be discovered, the final answers will remain elusive.''

And much more problems too. Gravity though is a big one. I have a theory that matter in all types, is self-consistent with the force of gravity, as much as it does not require a graviton to mediate their strange effects, i also think that mass is self-consistent when concerning the generation of mass itself: The Higgs Boson. Of course, i will change my own personal model if they find a Higgs in the Particle Accelerator CERN, but i have my money on it not existing. How does your model work with the generation of masses: i.e. Does it require a Higgs Boson?

''I mentioned the first step was to go “before” the big bang and I speculate that space, time and energy pre-existed the big bang. To help understand the realm of QWC, it was developed as a model where the universe is infinite, is composed of energy and has always existed''.

What do you think this thing was that existed before big bang?

[quantum_wave]

I did some studies of zero point energy and residual energy. The Bose-Einstein Condensate has fascinated me too. Absolute zero and the collapse of particles within the same space lead me to my studies of the wave function and the quantum world.

Our ideas about gravity and mass sound similar. My version includes how quantum waves and quantum action work to cause mass to form and to cause gravity as a result of mass formation. The role of the Higgs boson and the Higgs Field are replaced by an energy background to the universe and quantum waves intersecting as they traverse the background. Those quantum waves are generated by “quantum action”, and quantum waves cause quantum action. This actually leads to the question of which came first the quantum wave or quantum action :).

The answer is that they both have always existed.

Quantum waves and high density spots (HDS): High density spots mark the point of convergence of quantum waves. Energy is carried via the intersections of quantum waves. These intersections can become unusually asymmetrical and are akin to rogue ocean surface waves where the crest and trough extremes sometimes occur due to the superposition of many wavelets with different frequencies and directions of travel. Think of those circumstances in a spherical wave context to get the picture. They reach a point of multiple convergences that concentrate energy into a high density spot. High density spots in QWC are the rule instead of a rarity. When the spot has formed it instantly “bursts” into an energy density fluctuation in the form of a spherically expanding energy wave. The burst occurs because the energy density of the surrounding energy environment is not sufficient to maintain the high energy density of the HDS because the convergence of the wave crests is a quickly passing event.

In an extremely high energy density environment the burst can be delayed until the pressure declines.

That makes it easy to segue to your question about, “What I think this thing was that existed before big bang?”.

My premise is that our expanding universe, which I call our arena within a greater universe, was preceded by a big crunch. A big crunch is a finite accumulation of matter and energy as a result of gravity. The thing that keeps the entire greater universe from collapsing into this kind of big crunch invokes a part of the physics that I associate with Quantum Wave Cosmology (QWC). Once a certain amount of matter and energy collapses in to the crunch, the energy density at the core of the crunch reaches a limit I call critical capacity.

Critical capacity sets off a process that causes the crunch to self destruct, burst, and release energy that has been negated from the matter and energy that accumulated in the big crunch. The premise is that when mass is compressed to the near infinite energy density of the core of a big crunch it can no longer function as mass and therefore the gravity that coexists with the mass ceases.

This is called locking the quantum action at the core. When the quantum action is locked, quantum waves are no longer generated and the energy is converted to potential energy waiting to be released by the growing gravity failure of the crunch.

To go a step further into QWC, our finite arena emerged from a big crunch when the potential energy was released. The release, which is QWC’s big burst event, occurred as the gravitational force of the crunch diminished and could no longer contain the potential energy of locked quantum action at its core.

Being a finite event in an infinite universe, the premise is that ours is just one of a potentially infinite number of critical capacity events, i.e. big crunches and bursts playing out across the greater universe. Matter forms during the expansion phase after the burst and eventually galaxies are sent out into the greater universe where they contribute to the formation of subsequent big crunches.

[AlphaNumeric]

I did some studies of zero point energy and residual energy. The Bose-Einstein Condensate has fascinated me too. Absolute zero and the collapse of particles within the same space lead me to my studies of the wave function and the quantum world.Dollars to doughnuts you did no reading of actual quantum mechanical models and if I asked you to derive the fact a quantum field has a zero point energy contribution you'd be unable to.

I bet your study involved reading Wikipedia and making unsupported claims about physics you don't understand.

Same goes for Reiku.

Either of you muppets want to prove me wrong?

[quantum_wave]

I have no interest in proving you wrong about my studies or about my ability to derive a zero point solution.

One thing I will prove you wrong about if you care to get into it is my understanding of QWC. You have to admit that if QWC is the way things work and that there is a unifying force, all the models you suggest you have read and all the derivations you probably would claim to be able to do wouldn't be worth jack.

[Reiku]

I have no interest in proving you wrong about my studies or about my ability to derive a zero point solution.

One thing I will prove you wrong about if you care to get into it is my understanding of QWC. You have to admit that if QWC is the way things work and that there is a unifying force, all the models you suggest you have read and all the derivations you probably would claim to be able to do wouldn't be worth jack.


He has a pickle with me. Not you. So don't worry about it.

[quantum_wave]

Quantum Wave Cosmology predicts a multiverse where our expanding universe occupies one insignificant arena in an infinite landscape of arenas each playing out through the process of accumulation, big crunch, burst and expansion.

The colsmolgical principle remains in tact because that greater universe is homogeneous and isotropic meaning that it looks generally the same no matter where you are in it, and there is no edge or center.

In QWC, the thing that stops the entire greater universe from collapsing into one infinte big crunch is the law of critical capacity. Once a big crunch reaches critical capacity the seeds of self destruction are sown and the outcome is that the crunch will burst into an energy density fluctuation characterized by a spherical quantum wave that will carry all of the energy contained in the crunch into spherical expansion.

Since only a finite amount of mass can accumulate in a big crunch before it bursts, the greater universe consists of a potentially infinite number of active arenas at any give time.

That is why in QWC the cosmological constant is 1 which in terms of general relativity and BBT makes the greater universe perfectly flat.

However, each arena has an energy density of its own relative to the average energy density of the greater universe. An expanding arena has a positive lambda, i.e. the local vacuum energy (cosmological constant) causes expansion until the energy density of the arena equalizes with the energy density of the greater universe. An arena that is forming out there in the greater universe will have a negative lambda and the gravity will overcome the vacuum energy and the arena will collapse into a big crunch.

In QWC the landscape of the greater universe demonstrates that entropy is defeated by the existence of the law of critial capacity combined with the quantum nature of mass and gravity. When mass exists it has gravity, and when the core of a big crunch reaches critical capacity it transforms mass into energy, locks down quantum action, mass ceases to function, gravity stops, and potential burst energy builds in the core until it exceeds the diminishing gravitational force of the big crunch and the crunch bursts.

The will be no Big Rip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip).

[AlphaNumeric]

He has a pickle with me. Not you. So don't worry about it.No, I think you're both full of ****. Just because you've posted in a thread doesn't mean noone else is wrong and talking BS.

[quantum_wave]

No, I think you're both full of ****. Just because you've posted in a thread doesn't mean noone else is wrong and talking BS.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/noone

[Guest254]

For talking purposes the time involved in one quantum action is 10^-50 seconds.
Now I don't really want to get into the ins and outs of your theory, but I would like to know how you arrived at the above result. I notice that you didn't say 10^{-51}, or 3.288x10^{-49} or some other number, and obviously you haven't pulled it out of thin air. So what was it that made you arrive at your conclusion?

Thanks. :)

[quantum_wave]

Now I don't really want to get into the ins and outs of your theory, but I would like to know how you arrived at the above result. I notice that you didn't say 10^{-51}, or 3.288x10^{-49} or some other number, and obviously you haven't pulled it out of thin air. So what was it that made you arrive at your conclusion?

Thanks. :)It is an increment of time smaller than plank time to point out that the incompatibility between GR and quantum mechanics will be resolved in favor of quantum mechanics. GR cannot deal with gravity that operates at the level of quantum action.

QWC operates at speeds faster than plank time and in energy increments much smaller than any fundamental particle.

But as the post said, it is just for talking purposes because QWC is speculation. That is why it is here in pseudoscience.

[Guest254]

It is an increment of time smaller than plank time to point out that the incompatibility between GR and quantum mechanics will be resolved in favor of quantum mechanics. GR cannot deal with gravity that operates at the level of quantum action.
Yes, but there are infinitely many numbers smaller in size than the Planck time, 10^{-100} is one such number. What is the reason for your use of 10^{-50}, and not 10^{-100} for instance? I only ask because your statement is quantitative, so I was curious as to how you arrived at your conclusion.

Thanks! :)

[quantum_wave]

Other than the explanation given no rigor was put into it. QWC is not science and there will be very few numbers until the actual mechanics can be visualized.

Visualizing a quantum action that continually produces spherical waves of energy seems to be a possible solution. In order to work, quantum action would produce a net zero wave that has a trough and a crest and that expands spherically.

The net zero becomes a negative value when some of the positive energy is contained in subsequent crests with high energy density, i.e. delayed relative to the wave trough which has low energy density. Then the spherical wave would cause a low energy density spherical wave front and a delayed high energy density wave crest as it travels and expands spherically.

The inverse square law applies to the net negative emission from mass. The net negative emission is continual as long as the, say 10^-50 or some repetitive pulse pace is maintained to delay the crest relative to the trough.

I'll give you another number to try to put the scale of quantum action into perspective. Trillions of quantum waves would have to be perpetually renewing themselves to form a proton for example. The relationship between the surface of a proton (area) and the volume of the proton (cubic units) (Area/Volume = (4 pi r2)/(4/3 pi r3) = 3/r) combined with the known 1836 to 1 relationship between the energy of a proton vs. the energy of an electron for example can be used to derive a number in the trillions (depending on the physical space occupied by a wave crest intersection :)) for the number of continual quantum actions necessary every Planck time (or fraction thereof) to maintain the mass of the proton. Yikes.

The gravity of a mass would be the net negative value that the delay produces and would increase as the energy density of the mass increases. The idea has some potential for keeping me entertained for awhile just in visualizing the whole process. And of course I have to go it alone because anyone who could help recognizes the shit potential. But it is free and I have the time and the interest.

It is easy to talk about but hard to visualize to the degree that it can be defined mathematically.

One thing that seems to offer potential in that regard is an energy background that carries the spherical waves and there are so many waves crossing the background that the background is filled with a pattern of wave intersections in three dimensions. Each intersection represents an energy density and the density fluctuates. The fluctuations are perpetuated by quantum action and so the energy background is filled with tiny wave intersections that are actually energy density fluctuations.

I mentioned earlier how wavelets can combine to build "rogue" waves. In order for quantum action to occur, rogue waves in the energy background would have to form and collapse with regularity. The collapse would initiate another wave and the background pattern would be re-energized by continual quantum action.

Such a model would mathematically describe quantum action so that the high energy density crests form mass, and the collapse of the crest into a trough causes gravity. Without a delay between the trough and the crest the wave would have a net zero value and could produce no work.

My visualization mentality gets in overload when I think about it too much.

When I start giving you the math you'll know that I think I have something.

[Guest254]

Other than the explanation given no rigor was put into it.
Ah, ok. So 10^{-50} was just a random number you chose, that happened to be smaller than the Planck time?

[quantum_wave]

No, I chose it because it was smaller than Planck time to show that in my opinion the incompatibility between General Relativity and quantum mechanics favored QM like I said.

QM (when the LHC finds the Higgs boson) has gravity working at the energy quanta level and in QWC that is below Planck length and time. Just so you don't get the wrong idea about why I used -50.

[Guest254]

No, I chose it because it was smaller than Planck time to show that in my opinion the incompatibility between General Relativity and quantum mechanics favored QM like I said.
Sorry, I'm still confused! I just wanted to know where the 10^{-50} came from in the following statement:
the time involved in one quantum action is 10^-50 seconds.
I understand you want to use that number because it's smaller than the Planck time. I just wanted to know it was that number in particular!

[quantum_wave]

Sorry, I'm still confused!How can that be confusing? I just wanted to know where the 10^{-50} came from in the following statement:

I understand you want to use that number because it's smaller than the Planck time. I just wanted to know it was that number in particular!Thanks for your interest in my peculiar number.

If it was that number in particular that would imply some pretty detailed math and science. 10^-50 is quite a bit smaller than Planck time wouldn't you agree. Just enough smaller to imply that the quantum effects that operate in my imagined QWC are below the level that particle physicists are talking. It appears to be below the design range of the LHC for that matter so though Sean Carroll predicts a 95% chance of finding the Higgs boson, personally I think the operative force at the heart of QM operates in much smaller increments. Just an opinion and not an invitation to anyone to point out that I'm without cloths on this topic.

[Guest254]

How can that be confusing?
I guess I just don't understand how you came up with that particular number. I'm only asking!

[quantum_wave]

OK, so my Mass has gravity idea isn’t catching on :(. No big deal. It’s not only speculation, but since it doesn’t need the fabric of spacetime to be warped by mass and it doesn’t need Inflation, let alone eternal inflation of de Sitter space, and not needing those n-spheres or Cauchy surfaces within hyperspace makes it unimaginable relative to inflationary mathematical models that comply with General Relativity. Go figure, QWC is really way out there.

I also admit it is pretty hard to sell an idea of quantum waves that work as both the cause of mass and the cause of gravity, let alone an energy background that isn’t detectable because it is simply energy density fluctuations that are so small and changing so fast that they go in mass and out of mass and participate in the mass and the gravity of the mass as mass passes through; you’re smirking aren’t you.

Well since I haven’t gotten much interest in simple QWC, how about if it is a “cold start” cosmology? Since it has mass becoming too dense to function (at the core of a big crunch) which then stops gravity from said mass, by the time the core builds up enough potential energy in locked quantum action to overcome the remaining gravitational force of the outer crunch, much of the heat associated with the event has been absorbed and locked with the other energy in the core. Hence, the temperature of the event would be much less than that of Hot Big Bang models.

What about the ~2.7 K cosmic background radiation? If the burst is a cool event, where did that temperature come from? Some is from the greater universe that has always existed and that surrounded the big crunch, and some is the heating up of the background by a round of huge fast burning hydrogen stars followed by a thermalization period before metallic stars and galaxies formed.

Oh my gosh, more reasons to put QWC out in left field. But I’m having fun out here being full of $&!t and playing with my cosmology. At least I’m willing to share it.

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If you can accept that there is a single fundamental force behind everything, and that is a big IF, then you can accept that at that fundamental level, i.e. the smallest level of order where that force operates, there is a measurable increment of length that is the smallest possible measurable length. On the same basis you can also accept that at that fundamental level there is a smallest increment of time because it is a measure of the shortest possible measurable time.

A quantum of energy in QWC is the tiniest amount of energy that can have any noticeable physical impact. If you read that carefully you can see that I anticipate that a level of order smaller than the quantum of energy is necessary in order to support the existence of the quantum of energy. I acknowledge that fact and to enable a quantum of energy to exist I refer to the existence of sub-quanta, or fractional amounts of energy whose only ability is to become part of the quantum energy increment, i.e. a part of the physical world.

In QWC, anything physical refers to the quantum of energy and quantum action, while the sub-quanta world operates at a level below that where nothing physical is taking place, by definition. That sub-quanta world is referred to in QWC as the energy background. The energy background cannot directly affect the physical world; its only role is to support the force that enables the physical world.

So in QWC, the energy quantum is made of up energy sub-quanta. Reference to the sub-quanta is a convention, a convenience for talking purposes, because the real world at the sub-quantum level is an intense interaction of energy in infinitesimal increments that would seem chaotic at any point in space at sub-quanta levels, but that has an order to it based solely on unobservable physics.

We don’t know what those physics are at that level but the physics of QWC includes some ideas of what that physics would have to be like to enable the observable universe.

[Guest254]

Ok, I've now really made the effort to read over your replies, and I still don't see where on earth the number 10^{-50} comes from! Perhaps it's easier if I ask the related question:

Why isn't it 3.877326 \times 10^{-1158}?

Sorry to be a pain. I think perhaps I'll understand why it must 10^{-50} if I can understand why it can't be anything else!

:)

[quantum_wave]

Ok, I've now really made the effort to read over your replies, and I still don't see where on earth the number 10^{-50} comes from! Perhaps it's easier if I ask the related question:

Why isn't it 3.877326 \times 10^{-1158}?

Sorry to be a pain. I think perhaps I'll understand why it must 10^{-50} if I can understand why it can't be anything else!

:)I have to acknowledge that it could be. QWC is speculation about a force that makes energy do work. What the dimensions are I don't know but the math is Euclidian in QWC and curved space is the effect of spherical waves and not spacetime.

I mentioned that in another thread. "Objects move through space as if space was curved by mass. But if gravity reaches across space to affect distant objects, those objects would also move as if space was curved because gravity travels at a finite speed of light and by the time it reaches and effects distant objects, the source object has changed location.

This results in a curved effect between observed objects caused by gravity waves that travel as expanding spherical waves. The wave reaches the object and gives it a little tug toward the location that the first object occupied when the wave was emitted. An instant later the next wave reaches the object and gives it a little tug toward a slightly different location that was occupied by the first object as the second wave was emitted an instant after the first wave. Follow this procedure over time and you will get a curved movement of objects due to their relative movement and the propagation speed of spherical gravity waves, not due to the warped fabric of spacetime."

The EFEs are the math of the effect of gravity, and not the cause.

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Introduction to the Energy Background

If you can accept that there is a single fundamental force behind everything, and that is a big IF, then you can accept that at that fundamental level, i.e. the smallest level of order where that force operates, there is a measurable increment of length that is the smallest possible measurable length. On the same basis you can also accept that at that fundamental level there is a smallest increment of time because it is a measure of the shortest possible measurable time. These are not the smallest things or the shortest times, but the smaller things and the shorter times are beyond measurement.

In QWC, the point where our ability to measure has reached a limit in the infinitesimal quantum realm is called the fundamental quantum level. We can’t measure at that level yet, but conceptually, to measure below that level would be a greater advancement than the advancement now needed to reach the milestone where we can “observe” and measure at the quantum level.

Therefore a quantum of energy in QWC is the tiniest amount of energy that can have any “noticeable” physical impact. If you read that carefully you can see that I anticipate that a level of order smaller than the quantum of energy is necessary in order to support the existence of the quantum level. I acknowledge that fact, and to enable a quantum of energy to exist I refer to the existence of sub-quanta, or fractional amounts of energy whose only ability is to become part of the smallest increment of energy that can have a noticeable or meaningful impact on what we recognize as the physical world.

In QWC, anything physical refers to the quantum level of energy and quantum action at that level, while the sub-quanta world operates at a level below that, i.e. quantum wave intersections smaller than the quantum of energy are simply tiny energy density fluctuations too small to be observed and individually too insignificant to be measurable.

That sub-quanta world is referred to in QWC as the energy background. The energy background cannot directly affect the physical world; its only role is to support the force that enables the physical world, i.e. the quantum energy increment that contains the quantum of energy and causes quantum action. Quantum action perpetuates the energy density fluctuations that exist in the background.

So in QWC, the energy quantum is made up of energy sub-quanta which are wave ripples in the background. Reference to the sub-quanta is a reference to the tiny energy density fluctuations caused by those expanding and intersecting spherical ripples. The sub-quantum level is an intense interaction of energy in infinitesimal increments that would seem chaotic at any point in space at sub-quanta levels, but that has an order to it that makes it homogeneous and isotropic.

When a quantum wave appears it is akin to a rogue ocean wave that is made up of a significant number of wavelets. The ocean surface wavelets are the energy background equivalent of sub-quanta “ripples”. Energy density determines the frequency of the quantum waves that appear from the background. Frequency in this sense is the number of occurrences within a given space in a given time and is not exactly the same thing as electromagnetic wave frequency (hf).

[Guest254]

This still isn't making any sense to me, I'm afraid! Can you just tell me what rationale you used to give the precise result 10^{-50}!?!? If you've literally just picked any old number that happens to be smaller than the Planck time, then fair enough. But please don't have me read lots and lots and lots more stuff that dances around the question!

:)

[quantum_wave]

Guest254, I'm not writing this thread for your benefit. A simple solution to your having to read it is ... don't read it.

[Guest254]

Well that's not very nice! I'm only showing an interest in your work.

[quantum_wave]

Well that's not very nice! I'm only showing an interest in your work.Oh geesz, OK. You make me feel bad now. The 10^-50, like I said was intended to show that quantum action required metrics below those that deal with fundamental particles. Quantum action was supposed to occur at that 10^-50 rate just for talking purposes. I mentioned I used Planck time and sped it up quite a bit.

The energy of a particle in QWC is determined by the energy quanta density of the particle. The number of energy quanta in the particle are the count of quantum actions that take place within the particle within the speculated refresh rate of quantum action which is the number I mentioned that was strictly for perspective and for talking purposes of 10^-50 seconds.

The energy of a photon lets say is Planck's constant times the speed of light/wavelength of the photon in meters.

I think that photon frequencies range for 10^3 to say 10^25 cycles per second or so which converts to wavelength, so by taking the wavelength in meters of a given photon frequency you can calculate the energy of the photon.


The quantum world is completely different than the electromagnetic world because a quantum has no charge, and is a spherical wave. But if you use the formula for the energy of a photon, and play with the frequencies/wavelengths needed to get an energy in the 10^-50 range, you will have the frequency/wavelength of the quantum action in completely meaningless units :D.

So Guest254, I am writing this to you exclusively; do me a favor and work on this and don't reply until you have the math.

[Guest254]

The 10^-50, like I said was intended to show that quantum action required metrics below those that deal with fundamental particles.
Sorry dude, but with every reply you give I get less and less confident that you have any sort of reason for the number 10^{-50} other than it happens to be smaller than the Planck time! Perhaps if you explain what you mean by "quantum action required metrics"? Alternatively just explain why it's 10^{-50} - but that doesn't seem to want to happen. :(

[quantum_wave]

Well you got me there dude. When I figure it out you'll be the first to know :cool:.

I hope you're not mad like JJ Cannon who left and never returned :D.

[Guest254]

Hey, no hard feelings! Just wish you'd told me you didn't have a reason for 10^{-50} earlier!!!

Good luck with your work. :)

[quantum_wave]

Hey, no hard feelings! Just wish you'd told me you didn't have a reason for 10^{-50} earlier!!!

Good luck with your work. :)No hard feelings. I thought I answered your question honestly and courteously, and went over and over it and you couldn't help but point out that I didn't have a reason for 10^-50. I guess I should have admitted that sooner.

In my defense I just wanted to try to put the world of QWC into perspective in case anyone was interested. My mistake as you point out so passively was in trying to do that in the first place. I guess everyone knows that if there is a level of order where a fundamental unifying force operates, it would employ much smaller metrics than the world of interactions between fundamental particles of the Standard Particle Model (http://particleadventure.org/frameless/chart.html).

Thanks for getting me off that kick and back to reality.

[Guest254]

it would employ much smaller metrics
You've lost me again! Sorry!

[quantum_wave]

You've lost me again! Sorry!I use the term metrics to mean measurements. It is a usage familiar to my profession, management accounting, and maybe unfamiliar to you.

[Guest254]

I use the term metrics to mean measurements. It is a usage familiar to my profession, management accounting, and maybe unfamiliar to you.
Ah, ok. Metric has a very different meaning in physics. This might have been unfamiliar to you!

[quantum_wave]

So are you saying that your profession is physics? I don't doubt that but why the interest in pushing the issue about the 10^-50. As a physicist, doesn't that seem like something a former accountant would say, lol?

[Guest254]

So are you saying that your profession is physics?
Good God no!
I don't doubt that but why the interest in pushing the issue about the 10^-50.
My issue was, and still is, genuine confusion with regards the number 10^{-50}! I don't see how you arrived at this result. However, this is your thread so if you don't want to talk about it that's fine!

[quantum_wave]

Good God no!

My issue was, and still is, genuine confusion with regards the number 10^{-50}! I don't see how you arrived at this result. However, this is your thread so if you don't want to talk about it that's fine!You're not "genuinely confused", but you are being passive aggressive about something. It could be that I offended you in some of my statements here or elsewhere and you find that a little pay back on my thread is fair.

You've already worn out the passive aggressive thing so be an adult about it and confront me on the real issue.

[Guest254]

Why are you so defensive? I really don't have any sort of ulterior motives: I happened to read your post, thought "ooh, I wonder how that works" and I've asked a question. Surely you want people to take interest in your work?

:confused:

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This is for Honcho in particular and any other visitors in general:

I probably need more prerequisite knowledge of "energy density equalization" to thoroughly understand that post.
I assume what you are getting at would be similar to particulates condensing from a super saturated liquid or maybe dew forming when humidity is to high for the given ambient temperature.Those are not bad analogies.

The problem with using analogies is that they all have baggage. By baggage I mean that there are many things about super saturated liquids or about dew forming in high humidity that don't apply, baggage.

Matter is composed of energy quanta in my opinion. In particular, I describe energy quanta and quantum action in my thread (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1962693&postcount=39). I do use an analogy there where I say that energy quanta and quantum action are akin to rouge ocean waves. If you don't agree that matter is composed of energy in quantum increments, offer an alternative idea about the composition of matter.

If matter is composed of energy in the form of energy quanta, and where energy quanta exist, quantum action exists, then you can begin to understand what I mean by "too much energy density in the universe for matter not to exist". It goes as follows:

The energy equalization threshold is the highest average energy density of the universe that could exist without any matter formation. At that threshold, perfect equilibrium would exist in the universe and entropy (http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/entropy) would be complete, i.e. there would be no useful energy. There would be no energy quanta or quantum action because energy quanta and quantum action require an average energy density greater than the equalization threshold.

None of the energy in excess of the threshold can be equalized and it therefore starts to cause energy density fluctuations within the otherwise equalized average energy density.

In QWC, at the existing average energy density of the universe, the energy density fluctuations are so prevalent that the energy background has produced huge amounts of matter across the greater universe, in fact just like the energy content of the greater universe is infinite, the matter content is also potentially infinite.

Matter forms from the energy density fluctuations that achieve quantum status which might be a good subject of a post of its own.

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What I am going to propose next is something that never happened. It never happened because in my view the universe, energy, and matter have always existed. In my last post I described the “equalization threshold” where the average energy density is at the maximum density that can exist without matter, i.e. without energy quanta forming.

Though I don’t think the universe ever has or ever will be at or below the equalization threshold, there are cosmologies that predict otherwise. So I wanted to describe a scenario where the average energy density of the universe is above the equalization threshold by a tiny increment to demonstrate what I think is the way energy density fluctuations would interact. The increment would be a high energy density patch of space within the equalized energy density background. It would be a tiny energy density fluctuation that exists simply because the energy density is slightly above the energy equalization threshold.

That tiny patch of high energy density would expand because one characteristic of high energy density is that it changes energy density by expanding to achieve equalization. But the maximum energy density that can become equalized universally has been exceeded and so equalization of this increment on a universal basis cannot occur.

So what happens to that patch of high energy density? It expands spherically forever across the infinite universe, and its energy density approaches the equalization threshold density but never reaches it because this lone energy density fluctuation represents the first increment of energy density that puts the entire universe above the threshold.

Suppose there where two such patches of high energy density each representing a separate energy density fluctuation. It doesn’t matter how far they are apart because they each would expand spherically until they met and intersected.

As they intersect they would form a shape called a 3-D lens at the intersection and the volume of the lens would increase as the spheres expand. The amount of energy in the lens is doubled where the energy from each expanding sphere of high energy density overlaps.

This link about Sphere-Sphere Intersections (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Sphere-SphereIntersection.html) at mathworld.wolfram walks through the math of how to calculate the volume of the intersection of two such spheres.

To get the height of the caps you need to calculate d and d’, which requires the radius of the circle formed at the intersection of the two spheres.

If you know R and r, then using x^2+y^2+z^2=R^2 you can calculate x. Then using x, the radius of the circle at the intersection can be calculated. Using the wolfram example the height of each cap can be calculated once you know the radius of the intersection circle.

From the steps described in the link I have put together a formula to relate the energy density in the overlap in this scenario relative to the energy density of the expanding spheres. It yields a percentage figure that represents the amount of the energy in the two energy fluctuations that have become merged in the overlap. It reflects the characteristic of high energy density to equalize and therefore expects that the energy density in the overlap will be an equalized combination of the overlapped portion of the two fluctuations.

The energy density that is equalized within the overlap is higher than the energy density in either fluctuation. And the reference to equalization within the overlap is entirely different than equalization on a universal scale. The overlap represents a separate energy density environment within the infinite universal environment.


In this simple example we have two high energy density fluctuations expanding across an otherwise equalized space. This formula should then give the percentage of the energy from the two fluctuations that falls within the volume of the caps that make up the 3-D lens shaped space at their intersection.

\frac{V_{cap1}}{V_1} + \frac{V_{cap2}}{V_2} + \frac{V_{cap1}}{V_2} + \frac{V_{cap2}}{V_1} = \frac{1/3 \pi h^2 (3 R – h)}{4/3 \pi R^3} + \frac{1/3 \pi h’^2 (3 r – h’)}{4/3 \pi r^3}+ \frac{1/3 \pi h^2 (3 R – h)}{4/3 \pi r’^3}+ \frac{1/3 \pi h’^2 (3 r – h’)}{4/3 \pi R^3}

[quantum_wave]

I am going to the next step in something that never happened. It never happened because in my view the universe, energy, and matter have always existed. But these steps demonstrate the nature of the universe as it is envisioned to exist in QWC.

In my last post I used the “equalization threshold” as a starting point where the entire universe was at equilibrium. No useful energy existed until I added a couple of increments of energy to raise the average energy density of the universe a tiny bit above the threshold.

Those two increments of energy were referred to as energy density fluctuations. The term “energy density fluctuation” is important in QWC because mass and gravity depend of them.

As you can see from the last post, once an energy density fluctuation exists above the threshold, it always exists. It expands spherically and never becomes fully equalized with the background energy. In QWC this aspect of the fluctuation is referred to as “eternal” or “infinite expansion”.

You can also see from the last post that when two such eternal fluctuations intersect, there is a mathematical definition of the intersection that represents the energy content of the intersection relative to the two intersecting fluctuations. The energy content of the intersection will increase as the two parents continue to expand and contribute energy to the intersection.

That intersection itself has become a third energy density fluctuation and it expands as the two “parent” fluctuations continue to expand. But this third fluctuation, the intersection of the two originals, will expand independently, reshaping itself into a spherical expansion.

It will still be fed energy from the two parents that will always form part of its surrounding energy environment, but it will also bulge out into the space at the intersection as it reshapes itself spherically.

Visually the three fluctuations will appear as three overlapping expanding spheres of energy density within the equalized background of threshold energy.

No energy from the three fluctuations can be added to the background because the background is already full to the threshold level.

No energy can be added to the expanding fluctuations from the background because the background insists on remaining equalized by its very nature. If it were to contribute energy to the expanding fluctuations in one location, it would draw energy from another location to remain fully equalized.

In fact at this point it is worthwhile to take a paragraph to discuss the energy dynamics of an expanding fluctuation in an equalized environment. As expansion takes place the energy density of the fluctuation gets lower and lower. The energy density within the fluctuation is self-equalizing itself within the increasing space that it occupies. But it is not equalizing itself by adding energy to the background, it equalizes by maintaining its original energy content but by spreading that content into a growing space with thinner and thinner density relative to the threshold's equalized energy density, i.e. relative to the background.

However, this is not the case at the overlap, i.e. at the intersection of two fluctuations. When the spherical fluctuations overlap, the intersection draws energy from the two “parent” fluctuations to form a third fluctuation that has twice the average energy density of the parents at the time that the intersection takes place. Even if the energy density of the two parents is different, the energy density of the intersection will combine their energy and equalize itself within its own space at twice the average the average energy density of the parents.

Picture it as energy flowing into the intersection from both parents and producing a third fluctuation. Every fluctuation is its own equalized energy density environment within its own expanding spherical space.

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QWC general observation 1

You may be able to see that the previous post mentions circumstances that could actually form the basis of other cosmologies.

The amount of energy contained in any given energy density fluctuation could vary greatly from the implied tiny individual fluctuations that I have introduced into the background.

A single huge expanding energy density fluctuation could be mistaken for Big Bang Theory with its co-moving coordinates, its curved space which is a product of its spherical shape, and its internal homogeneity.

M-branes could be mistaken for the intersection of two huge energy density fluctuations.

All of the inflationary models are possible interpretations of QWC’s eternal inflation of energy density fluctuations. That aspect of single energy density fluctuations could be de Sitter space, or multiple areas of inflation all experiencing the same universal expansion but in differing overlaps that intersect and share energy in various places while continuing overall inflation.

All of the alternative cosmologies that I am aware of are compatible with QWC except creation. What sets QWC apart from the others is the concept of energy density equalization within an infinite universe that has always existed, i.e. the equalized energy background within which everything happens. This is often just called space in other cosmologies, but in QWC space is the equalized energy background and energy density fluctuations exist because the average energy density of the universe exceeds the equalization threshold.

The incremental energy density fluctuations described in the previous two posts are tiny fluctuations that don’t yet even equal a single quantum of energy, and in QWC it takes many such fluctuations to exist and interact to produce quantum action. Quantum action is the force that makes these tiny fluctuations useful in producing mass and gravity.

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Some definitions used in Quantum Wave Cosmology (QWC)

A quantum of energy:

In QWC, the amount of energy in a quantum could be any amount. So I am going to define the quantum of energy that will be used in explaining QWC. By definition, in QWC that quantum of energy is the smallest increment of energy that can be incorporated into mass. On that basis, all mass is composed of energy in quantum increments. The formation of mass then becomes the dividing line between the energy background and the formation of mass that stands out from the background.

Defining the energy background:

By defining the quantum, I can now define the background. By definition, in QWC the energy background is the equalized threshold energy plus all of the energy density fluctuations in excess of that threshold that individually are not yet equal to a quantum of energy.

A high density spot:

In QWC, a quantum stands out from the background and is referred to as a high density spot.

Mass:

By definition, in QWC the density of mass is determined by the number of high density spots it takes to cause the mass to exist and therefore it is the number of high density spots contained in the mass divided by the volume of space occupied by the mass.

Containment:

“Containment” in QWC is the characteristic of mass that delays the expansion of spherical energy waves that pass through the mass, including both the waves that arrive at the space occupied by the mass from external sources, and the waves that are generated by quantum action that is taking place within the mass itself. Containment is the cause of mass and gravity. More later on how containment takes place and how it is related to high density spots and quantum waves.

Gravity:

Gravity is the characteristic of mass to move through the background in the path of lowest energy density. More to follow later on gravity and how mass affects the surrounding energy density simply by existing.

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The lower threshold of matter formation:

With the new definition of the energy background in hand, let’s move the scenario forward to the point where the first energy quantum forms and stands out from the background.

As I have said as I develop this scenario, this is not the way it happened because in QWC, the energy that makes up the universe is constant. No new energy is ever added and no energy is ever taken away. The excess energy in the universe over and above the background energy is responsible for the existence of mass. But the scenario is useful to explain QWC and how energy density fluctuations are able to cause mass and gravity.

The number of tiny energy density fluctuations in the background must reach a certain density in order for that first lonely quantum to form. This may be confusing at first because I am referring to the density of fluctuations in the background. As it turns out, I am referring to both the number of fluctuations per volume of space and the average energy density per fluctuation. Understanding the distinction between the two will help you understand the QWC concept of “the lower threshold of matter formation”.

Energy quanta are the high density spots that occur in the background once a certain background energy density is achieved. If you slowly increment the energy level in my scenario by adding to the background in the tiniest of increments, eventually the very first quantum will form somewhere. It will have location and dimension in 3-D space, and will contain a quantum of energy occupying a high density spot at that location.

It will survive momentarily and then burst and spread out as a spherical quantum wave. The energy of that quantum wave will cause another single quantum to form somewhere else. The “somewhere else” will be nearby. The local environment has already produced a high density spot and is at the “lower threshold of matter formation”. With the burst of the only existing quantum or high density spot, the second quantum to form will use the momentum of the first quantum wave to force another high density spot to form nearby. The first quantum stood out from the background momentarily and then receded back into the background as a quantum wave, and that wave forced a second quantum to stand out from the background nearby.

In the scenario the level of energy in the universe at this point is one quantum of energy above the “lower matter formation threshold”. Therefore, at this level of energy, there will always be one quantum forming and bursting in an endless procession of quantum action, i.e. the appearance and disbursal of a single quantum of energy dancing around as it intermittently stands out from the background in one location and then another as a very temporary high density spot.

No matter can form from one lonely quantum of energy, but once one quantum forms it marks the lower threshold of matter formation potential.

Quantum Action:

In QWC, the definition of quantum action is the process of a quantum of energy forming when the lower matter formation threshold is reached, followed by the “burst” of that quantum of energy into a quantum wave, and the spherical expansion of that quantum wave. Each time a quantum forms and bursts, one quantum action has taken place and one quantum wave is produced.

Burst of a high density spot:

In QWC, the burst of a high density spot is merely the point where the overlapping of the expanding energy density fluctuations finally encompasses a quantum of energy and that space where the overlaps have forced a quantum of energy to congregate becomes a high density spot. The spot lasts only as long as the convergence of the contributing waves last, i.e. a very brief encounter. The burst of the high density spot is the disbursal of the energy in the spot into its own quantum wave. The burst occurs as the wave convergence that formed the spot passes. Every quantum wave must wait for a quantum of energy to converge in a high density spot before the disbursal of that spot can be defined as a quantum wave.

The high density spot is differentiated from all of the other background fluctuations because by definition the fluctuations that remain in the background contain less than a quantum of energy.

There are plenty of tiny waves generated from energy convergences in the background that are less than a quantum, but those are tiny ripples in the background that are not capable of individually becoming an energy increment of matter. The lower matter formation threshold must be reached before quantum action begins, and then the process of matter formation can begin abundantly as the lower threshold is exceeded by more and more incremental energy.

But don’t get married to the concept of the “lower matter formation threshold” because matter formation actually occurs in QWC at a much higher energy density and when the energy density is declining instead of increasing as it is in my current scenario.

Matter cannot exist above a certain energy density. There are circumstances in QWC that occur regularly in the greater universe where the “high matter threshold” is reached and matter ceases to function. I will get into that more when I discuss the formation of the “big crunch” and the physics of “critical capacity”. For now the scenario of increasing energy density in the greater universe is useful in explaining how mass is caused by quantum action and how gravity is caused by the containment of quantum action within mass.

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Mass:

Mass in QWC is any accumulation of energy quanta that displays containment within the space occupied by the accumulation.

As mentioned earlier, containment in QWC is the characteristic of mass that delays the expansion of spherical energy waves. Containment is the cause of mass and gravity.

So the question might come up as to what could cause a delay in the expansion of spherical energy waves? Actually it is the delay of a portion of the wave as it gets caught up in the formation of subsequent high density spots as it passes out of or through mass. A wave generated by one quantum action within mass will be subjected to being involved in the formation of other high density spots by being involved in wave intersections where the overlap forms additional quantum action.

So then the question might come up as to how a portion of a spherical quantum wave could get involved or caught up in subsequent quantum action? That is best explained by taking a closer look at the structure of a spherical quantum wave.

We have discussed the formation of a high density spot as the intersection of quantum waves and that the spot forms where the waves overlap. A high density spot is therefore always surrounded by a zone of low energy density relative to the high energy density of the spot that forms.

This low energy zone pulls the surrounding background fluctuations into it thus sending a low energy density spherical wave across the background as the high density spot forms. Energy fluctuations try to fill low energy zones by providing energy to equalize their energy with the zone energy.

The spot then bursts into a high energy wave that follows the low energy wave across the background.

If there is no containment of the high energy push of the wave, the net energy of the leading low energy pull of the wave and the following high energy push of the wave is zero and the only effect as the combined wave crosses the background is a slight jostling of the background fluctuations.

However, this slight jostling is often enough to position intersections that are ready to form high density spots into the low energy zone. Often the following high energy spherical quantum wave from the spot that caused the low energy zone will then participate in the completing of those repositioned overlaps and thus provide a portion of its energy to the new spot.


If part of the push is delayed when it encounters a forming high density spot because some of its push energy is involved in the overlap of waves that make up the forming spot, then a portion of the original push is delayed until the forming spot bursts.

That is containment. It is the portion of the push of the spherical quantum waves that are captured and thus delayed relative to the pull portion of the waves while the waves are passing through the mass.

The delay causes a change in the net energy of the wave structure. The leading pull wave is out front of the newly forming intersections and escapes intact, while the following push wave is caught up in the subsequent high density spot formation and is thus participating in the perpetuation of the mass for an instant, hence the delay.

In order for mass to exist it must display containment.

The energy equivalent of mass is the number of quanta within the mass, i.e. the count of the quantum actions that are maintained within the mass by containment. The density of the mass is the quantum count divided by the space occupied by the mass.

Aside: It appears that no one with any investment in today’s science will respond to this thread. It is clean, it is alien to today’s science, and if true it would change science dramatically and who wants that? Or am I wrong?

Should I bother with the next post on the cause of gravity? You know I will.

[quantum_wave]

Gravity:

Earlier I defined Gravity in QWC as the characteristic of mass to move through the background in the path of lowest energy density.

In the previous post I have defined mass in more detail and have defined containment in relationship to mass and in relationship to the structure of the quantum wave. Mass displays containment, and the structure of the quantum wave is altered by containment.

The net negative energy of the quantum wave structure emerging from mass causes gravity.

Without containment the net energy of the quantum wave structure is zero. This equality is based on the QWC premise that no energy is created or lost in quantum action. The force generated by quantum action as a quantum wave is supplied by the waves that intersect to produce the quantum wave.

The structure of the wave produced by quantum action is:

The wave has a leading trough of low energy density expanding spherically from the location of the formation of the high density spot. This low energy density wave front occurs when the high density spot forms in the overlapping intersections of other waves. It is the low energy density zone surrounding the high density spot. The low energy zone jostles the energy density fluctuations surrounding the zone and repositions them toward the forming high density spot. The repositioning of the fluctuations is the natural reaction of energy density to equalize its density with its surroundings. Equalization results in some filling of the expanding zone by the surrounding background fluctuations. This action is called the “pull” of the quantum wave trough.

The wave trough has a following crest of high energy density expanding spherically from the burst of the high density spot. The high energy crest of the wave occurs when high density spot bursts and the crest formed by the burst follows the trough. This action is called the “push” of the quantum wave crest.

Thus the structure of the quantum wave is a spherical low energy density pull trough followed by a spherical high energy density push crest. The wave has zero net energy made up of –e in the trough and +e in the crest.

Containment of a portion of the +e of the crest occurs within mass. Containment changes the net energy of the wave by delaying a portion of the +e, making the net energy of the wave a negative energy value.

Mass has positive energy. Gravity is the negative energy of the quantum wave that emanates from mass as a result of containment.

[quantum_wave]

So the simple formula for the gravity of mass in energy quanta is g_m=q*((-e)+(+e*(1-c))) where g is gravity, g_m is the gravity of mass m, q is the number of quanta in the mass, -e is the negative energy of the pull portion of the quantum wave structure (the trough), +e is the positive energy of the push portion of the quantum wave structure (the crest), and c is the containment ratio in percent.

[quantum_wave]

So the simple formula for the gravity of mass in energy quanta is g_m=q*((-e)+(+e*(1-c))) where g is gravity, g_m is the gravity of mass m, q is the number of quanta in the mass, -e is the negative energy of the pull portion of the quantum wave structure (the trough), +e is the positive energy of the push portion of the quantum wave structure (the crest), and c is the containment ratio in percent.Having a formula for the energy value of mass and gravity and a description of how mass forms and causes gravity reveals the basis of force in QWC.

My scenario describes energy in a new way. Since in QWC the only thing that exists is energy, it is hard to define energy other than to describe the whole of QWC itself.

In the next post or several posts I will offer some definitions that close in on what energy is in QWC and set the stage for going from the way energy causes mass and gravity, to the way it causes the greater universe to consist of finite energy arenas that function just like the individual energy quantum and quantum action function at the fundamental level.

Definitions are mandatory in conveying QWC because it is different in many respects from the theories that are commonly accepted today. For example I defined the quantum and quantum action in detail earlier in this thread because I wanted to use those words in QWC and differentiate there usage from other usages in science. The same words have different usages in classical and current scientific jargon and now new meanings in QWC.

Please don't get confused by thinking of the quantum as defined in QWC as the same quantum used to describe energy packets that make up electromagnetic radiation. Don't confuse the quantum action of QWC with the "action quantum" related to steps of incremental energy of photons.

Read the thread and understand the meaning of quantum and quantum action as used in QWC and you will have an insight into the fundamental force described in QWC.

[Reiku]

If everything is but energy, then maybe you can define some kind of gravitational decoherence into mass, where the mass is seen to be reversable:

Mg \Delta \lambda / \lambda^{2}=1

I've used a similar idea that there is a decoherence in energy that results in matter. The only other type of decoherence i know of is quantum decoherence, where the superpositioned state of matter is effected by its surroundings.

It seems like there is some kind of similar mechanism for energy. Their very environments, coupled with their characteristics, such as (wavelength/energy/spin ect), decoheres the kinetic energy into a rest mass. So the total energy of a system can be given as:

\gamma mc^{2}=mc^{2}+K

and the wavelength may very well play the part:

\Delta f \lambda = t^{2}S_{f} - t^{1}S_{0}

Perhaps Einstein was right in considering that the inertia of a system depended on the energy content?

Of course, when you say, ''Since in QWC the only thing that exists is energy,'' i have to agree. Even Einstein explained that there really wasn't anything such as matter really, but rather forms of energy, given naturally as E=Mc^{2}.

[quantum_wave]

If everything is but energy, then maybe you can define some kind of gravitational decoherence into mass, where the mass is seen to be reversable:

Mg \Delta \lambda / \lambda^{2}=1

I've used a similar idea that there is a decoherence in energy that results in matter. The only other type of decoherence i know of is quantum decoherence, where the superpositioned state of matter is effected by its surroundings.

It seems like there is some kind of similar mechanism for energy. Their very environments, coupled with their characteristics, such as (wavelength/energy/spin ect), decoheres the kinetic energy into a rest mass. So the total energy of a system can be given as:

\gamma mc^{2}=mc^{2}+K

and the wavelength may very well play the part:

\Delta f \lambda = t^{2}S_{f} - t^{1}S_{0}I can speak as the authority on QWC. Mass is entirely reversible. If you followed how mass forms in QWC you see that to maintain itself there must be continual quantum action. Quantum action within mass repeatedly produces spherical quantum waves that have a particular wave structure, i.e. a leading trough of low energy density followed by a crest of high energy density.

Within mass, that quantum wave is decoupled and part of the crest of high energy density is caught up in subsequent quantum action while the low energy trough passes out of mass in tact. The result is the the waves emanating from mass have a net negative energy because a portion of the positive energy of the crest is delayed by subsequent quantum action.

Mass depends on this repetitive quantum action to maintain itself. Since the emanating wave contains both negative and positive energy, though in different proportions, if the positive energy that is emanated is not replaced, the mass will dissolve by the process of emanation.

But mass is not only emanating energy, it is absorbing energy from quantum waves that arrive to it from other mass. The mass has a certain containment ratio and replenishes its positive energy up to that ratio as needed and emanates what it doesn't need to remain coherent.

That is why gravity is cumulative in series instead of blocking out other gravitational sources in line behind it.

The containment ratio of mass determines the relative gravitational effect that it has on other mass.

Did you read and follow my description of containment? It is a key to the formation of mass and gravity.
Perhaps Einstein was right in considering that the inertia of a system depended on the energy content?Inertia is thing for sure when it comes to mass that exists, but to form mass you need the energy density to provide an environment where repeated quantum action occurs so that mass "can find itself" and stand out from the energy background, at least that is how it works in QWC.

And when I say mass requires a certain energy density I am referring to the scenario I described in my recent posts. In QWC energy and mass have always existed and are subject to forces brought out by various energy density environments. Mass finds itself due to the natural gravitational effect of quantum action. When quantum action is occurring at the level that accommodates matter formation then mass gathers itself from the background and maintains itself by quantum action.


Of course, when you say, ''Since in QWC the only thing that exists is energy,'' i have to agree. Even Einstein explained that there really wasn't anything such as matter really, but rather forms of energy, given naturally as E=Mc^{2}.QWC is a new way of thinking about the universe. Space has always existed and is filled will energy density fluctuations that are perpetuated by quantum action. There has always been the same average energy density across the universe but the mass within it is subject to various ranges of energy density and acts differently in different energy density environments. Mass will act differently in low energy equalized space of the greater universe vs. the higher energy density of expanding arenas like our own, and vs. the core of big crunches that are predicted by QWC.

[Reiku]

Oops... mistake

[Reiku]

In fact, you can say that an initial change in energy, gives rise to a mass that will increase by W/c^{2},

\Delta E^{1} = W/c^{2}

So that any invariant mass is found after the change. But, when it can be measured, the system will be found to have a mass, and an energy... but it may just be another type of energy, which countless experiments have shown.

Naturally, we can talk about when a system has zero kinetic energy, when \gamma > 1,

K= \int_{\gamma < 1)dW= m^{0}c^{2} \int_{\gamma =1}dy = 1/2m^{0}c^{2}

and the net force capable for all this can be given as:

F^{net}=t^{2}-t^{1}

So you see, the operations behind a single equation, there can be many considerations. To calculate the amplitude of such an event can be given as:

P \epsilon = \int \epsilon | \psi (x)|dx

Which can be seen from the amplitude of energy that decoheres into matter itself. Therego, the probability of finding such an event can be given as:

P^{12}= \int t^{1}(S_{0})t^{2}(S_{f})=|(\Delta S_{0})t> |(\Delta S*)t*>

[Reiku]

I don't know why that first equation turned out wrong. Maybe someone can explain.

[quantum_wave]

In fact, you can say that an initial change in energy, gives rise to a mass that will increase by W/c^{2},

\Delta E^{1} = W/c^{2}

So that any invariant mass is found after the change. But, when it can be measured, the system will be found to have a mass, and an energy... but it may just be another type of energy, which countless experiments have shown.

Naturally, we can talk about when a system has zero kinetic energy, when \gamma > 1,

K= \int_{\gamma < 1)dW= m^{0}c^{2} \int_{\gamma =1}dy = 1/2m^{0}c^{2}

and the net force capable for all this can be given as:

F^{net}=t^{2}-t^{1}

So you see, the operations behind a single equation, there can be many considerations. To calculate the amplitude of such an event can be given as:

P \epsilon = \int \epsilon | \psi (x)|dx

Which can be seen from the amplitude of energy that decoheres into matter itself. Therego, the probability of finding such an event can be given as:

P^{12}= \int t^{1}(S_{0})t^{2}(S_{f})=|(\Delta S_{0})t> |(\Delta S*)t*>Considering that my slight familiarity with these equations might lead me to a misunderstanding of what you are telling me, please try to tell me if you are conveying ideas that build on what I have presented or are you conveying alternative ideas that already exist in science.

In QWC I am building everything from the bottom up. The bottom is energy that cannot be created or destroyed. Only energy that has always existed fits in that bottom up scenario.

The fact that matter exists adds a feature to the bottom up scenario, i.e. there is too much energy to allow equilibrium, otherwise matter would never from because equilibrium by definition means zero entropy, i.e. that there is no useful energy.

The existence of matter means to me that matter must have always existed because the average energy density of the universe must be above the equilibrium threshold.

We are in an expanding arena, i.e. our observable universe. If our arena is expanding and if energy and matter are not infinite, then infinite expansion and equilibrium would be the outcome. Since infinite expansion would have a past and that past would be smaller and smaller occupied space in a finite energy scenario, eventually you are forced to a beginning. In QWC there can be no beginning because energy cannot come from nothing.

Something caused the expansion of our arena and our arena in its expansion phase is just one of a potentially infinite number of arenas in the greater universe at any given time.

In QWC, the cause of the expansion was a big crunch. The big crunch created an energy density environment at its core that caused matter to cease to function and gravity to fail. The crunch was thus forced into expansion as the energy locked in its core overcame the diminishing gravity of the crunch.

Quantum actions and quantum waves are suppressed at the core of the crunch but once the grip of the crunch is broken, quantum action picks up again, matter forms, galaxies form and the momentum of expansion carries them out to the greater universe as the energy density environment of the arena equalizes with the low energy density of the greater universe.

Out there, the galaxies and remnants of a history of arenas can mix and merge under the force of gravity and without the expansion momentum from the burst of the big crunch which as already played out.

New crunches form and play out just like the old ones. That is QWC in a nutshell.

[Reiku]

''Considering that my slight familiarity with these equations might lead me to a misunderstanding of what you are telling me, please try to tell me if you are conveying ideas that build on what I have presented or are you conveying alternative ideas that already exist in science.''

Certainly.

The fourth equation is not mine. It's the normal amplitude found for ay equational mass or energy.

The rest are mine, after close consideration of your presumptions.

[quantum_wave]

Thank you. I will try to understand the equations with your help of course :).

Take one, state it in Latex, and then describe it in terms that you know I already use in my presumptions if that is possible.

To help put where I am in perspective, so far I have not built up very far in terms of matter as we know it. My emphasis has been at a level below what science calls the fundamental particles. In QWC, those fundamental particles are built up in quantum increments and employ quantum action and quantum waves which cause mass and gravity at that fundamental force level.

In QWC the particles of the standard model are fine. They are stable or naturally recurring unstable particles that join to achieve a certain stability or instability in and/or depending on different ranges of energy density.

The organization of quantum action into stable particles at our existing level of energy density in an expanding arena gives us the particles of nature around us. The maintenance of the particle is enabled and the structure of the particle incorporates an organization of quantum action and energy density that endures in the current circumstances.

Circumstances are always changing as expansion plays out, gravity takes hold, and high energy situations develop, each changing the nature of the matter that exists.

No matter can function at the core of a big crunch. Matter forms from energy in an expansionary environment that starts out at above the matter functioning range and allows abundant matter formation below that range.

I mention all this to help guide you in where you start in describing the equations that might apply to where I am in QWC.

You'll have to walk me through each step from where I am to where the equations takes us if you are interested. Everything must fit in its place in the bottom up process to advance the QWC scenario.

[Reiku]

Are you asking about equation 2)?

If you are, it's not presented right, and i may need to ask someone, who is more familiar with latex. Either way, can you visiualize what is being said?

[Reiku]

If it's equation 1), then this specific equation is a revolution of rest mass itself. The idea, is that any initial change in any energy fluctuation, is in fact resolved as a situation in matter, therego, if you have been following the ''are photons matter thread,'' then you will realize that a change in the initial photon state gives rise to a final state that is but matter itself.

[Guest254]

Hello Reiku,

I don't understand any of your mathematics at all I'm afraid. Could you explain what each term means?
\Delta E^{1} = W/c^{2}
What is W and where is this formula derived from - you've lost me!

Naturally, we can talk about when a system has zero kinetic energy, when \gamma > 1,

K= \int_{\gamma < 1}dW= m^{0}c^{2} \int_{\gamma =1}dy = 1/2m^{0}c^{2}
And what does this mean? What are the measures dW,\, dy? What is \gamma? What is K? Why are we integrating? Where has this formula come from? I'm confused!

and the net force capable for all this can be given as:

F^{net}=t^{2}-t^{1}
Again, net force of what? And what is t? Where does this come from?

To calculate the amplitude of such an event can be given as:

P \epsilon = \int \epsilon | \psi (x)|dx
What event? And what are P,\, \epsilon, \, \psi? Can you explain please - I don't follow.

Therego, the probability of finding such an event can be given as:

P^{12}= \int t^{1}(S_{0})t^{2}(S_{f})=|(\Delta S_{0})t> |(\Delta S*)t*>
Probability of what event? And what on earth are S_f and S_0? What is the range of integration? And what are you integrating with respect to? And what does the notation on the right hand side mean? It just seems like you've written down gibberish!

Can you elaborate a bit for me? :)

[Reiku]

''What is and where is this formula derived from - you've lost me!''

i'm sorry, i don't mean to be cheeky, but... being a math teacher, you should fly right through this? No?

[Reiku]

In fact, you have more or less commented on every equation brought forth; is this a joke...

.. and don't worry, In the past i have often took the piss out of anger, but surely this is just ignorance, for a math teacher thenselves?

[Guest254]

i'm sorry, i don't mean to be cheeky, but... being a math teacher, you should fly right through this? No?
Not cheeky at all - it aids my point. The fact I do a fair amount of maths and comment that your post doesn't make any sense, is probably a good indication that it doesn't make any sense!

Unless you could elaborate for me?

[quantum_wave]

Are you asking about equation 2)?

If you are, it's not presented right, and i may need to ask someone, who is more familiar with latex. Either way, can you visiualize what is being said?Start anywhere you like. I will be able to follow if you can answer my questions along the way.

If it's equation 1), then this specific equation is a revolution of rest mass itself. The idea, is that any initial change in any energy fluctuation, is in fact resolved as a situation in matter, therego, if you have been following the ''are photons matter thread,'' then you will realize that a change in the initial photon state gives rise to a final state that is but matter itself.Describe a revolution. It is something revolving around something, or is it revolutionary in that it is new and bold?

I am not quite with you on the concept of "initial change" in an energy fluctuation. Energy density fluctuates in QWC but it is constantly fluctuating and so there is no initial energy fluctuation.

I could ask other questions about that short paragraph but if it requires a reading of the "are photons matter thread", then I think it will be too advanced for where I am in QWC. Right now I have mass and gravity in groupings of dark matter that have no charge and no electromagnetic aspects yet.

They exist in a background of dark energy.

QWC thus far explains mass, gravity, expansion and accelerating expansion, dark matter, and on the macro end, big crunches and big bursts.

Actual matter as we know it will only link to QWC when the Grand Unification Theory emerges. Maybe it will emerge from the LHC or from some new evidence. But from the perspective of QWC that is not a problem because the stage in the process of arena formation where matter as we know it exists is a passing phase and will result in negation of all matter into energy in the core of some future big crunch along with similar remnants of other arenas.

QWC is designed to handle the description of the cause of mass, the cause of gravity, and the cause of dark matter. These are all pre-particle phases in the grand unification process.

I would love to show how the QWC quanta could fit into modern particle physics but right now it doesn't. Maybe as time goes on I will be able to equate it to the photon but right now all I can say is that the photon consists of energy in QWC quantum increments, but those are not the same increments that explain why a black body does not radiate equally at all frequencies as Max Planck discovered to kick off the period of classical physics.

The building of the fundamental particles with their individual characteristics is beyond the scope of QWC but that doesn't mean that there aren't some characteristics of quantum waves and quantum action that can develop in explanations of particle stability, spin, and charge. I was hoping the particle physicists would fill in the blanks and save me the trouble :o. (just kidding if you are the type to flame me for such an innocent jest)

[Reiku]

Then your probability (a sense which you should know, being a fantabulous math teacher), is wrong. How would you feel that one of the equations where wiki-based? Would you then, in your insideous wiki-manner proclaim that the equation is wrong?

Whatever mate.

[Guest254]

Then your probability (a sense which you should know, being a fantabulous math teacher), is wrong. How would you feel that one of the equations where wiki-based? Would you then, in your insideous wiki-manner proclaim that the equation is wrong?
Wiki-based? What does that mean? I don't see the problem - I'm only asking for you to elaborate on the things you wrote down! Why so hostile?

Sheesh! :(

[Reiku]

''Describe a revolution. It is something revolving around something, or is it revolutionary in that it is new and bold?''

It's certainly, new and bold. I have never heard of a claim that energy decoheres by its surroundings.

''I am not quite with you on the concept of "initial change" in an energy fluctuating.''

In my model, and quite appropriately, yours, if any mass is to exist, there MUST BE a prior state of energy, since all forms of matter are but trapped fluctuations of energy itself. The revolution, is the energy taking that quantum leap.

''They exist in a background of dark energy.''

I certainly wouldn't deny that. We only live in a percentage of the universe that is actually less than 1% of all the matter known in the vast cosmos. This means that about 1% of the universe is made of mass. We have much to learn.

''QWC is designed to handle the description of the cause of mass, the cause of gravity, and the cause of dark matter. These are all pre-particle phases in the grand unification process.

I would love to show how the QWC quanta could fit into modern particle physics but right now it doesn't. ''

If it fits the math, it will fit the model :)

[Reiku]

Wiki-based? What does that mean? I don't see the problem - I'm only asking for you to elaborate on the things you wrote down! Why so hostile?

Sheesh! :(


Why so hostile? I don't mean to be. Maybe it's a ''revolution'' of what i have had to put up with around here.

Why don't you simply read the variables as they are, instead of trying to act the cunt.

[Guest254]

Why don't you simply read the variables as they are, instead of trying to act the cunt.
"Read the variables as they are" - that doesn't make any sense! If they don't have any meaning then your post is devoid of meaningful content!

I don't get it with you. I'm perfectly civil, I ask a question about something you've written and I get profanities thrown at me! Is there any need for this?

[quantum_wave]

Thanks and yes, mass has a prior state as we both insist. In QWC I described it in great detail; the energy density background, equilibrium and the equalization threshold, the energy in excess of the threshold that causes the energy density fluctuations, the frequency (count per volume of space) of those fluctuations, the intensity of those fluctuations as energy density increases, the quantum action and quantum waves in the background, and finally the quanta the stand out form the background when the energy density reaches the matter formation threshold. Read it and tell me how it differs from the prior state that you predict.

[quantum_wave]

...
If it fits the math, it will fit the model :)I luv it when you talk that way :cool:. Truth will find its way into math in three dimensions.

[Reiku]

''I luv it when you talk that way ''

That's cute :) lol

Guest:

Are you even being serious? Do none of the variables mean apeshit to you?

[Reiku]

Or guest, does it require for me to recall through the meanings, as simple as \Delta???

[Guest254]

'Are you even being serious? Do none of the variables mean apeshit to you?
I'm being deadly serious. I don't see the problem - why don't you just elaborate and tell us what all the bits mean?????

[Reiku]

Are you really being serious? Some of the layman could answer the equations easily.

???

[Guest254]

Are you really being serious?
Yes, once again I will tell you: I'm deadly serious.
Some of the layman could answer the equations easily.
Again - this doesn't make sense! How do you "answer" an equation? Never mind actually, I'm far more interested in your elaboration. I don't see the problem.

[Reiku]

Yes, once again I will tell you: I'm deadly serious.

Again - this doesn't make sense! How do you "answer" an equation? Never mind actually, I'm far more interested in your elaboration. I don't see the problem.


Well, it's quite simple really. To start, do you at all know the variables presented, and let us progress from there shall we?

[quantum_wave]

Oops, sorry. I'll try again.

[Guest254]

Well, it's quite simple really. To start, do you at all know the variables presented, and let us progress from there shall we?
I have asked you precisely which aspects of your post I'd like for you to elaborate on:

Hello Reiku,

I don't understand any of your mathematics at all I'm afraid. Could you explain what each term means?
\Delta E^{1} = W/c^{2}
What is W and where is this formula derived from - you've lost me!

Naturally, we can talk about when a system has zero kinetic energy, when \gamma > 1,

K= \int_{\gamma < 1}dW= m^{0}c^{2} \int_{\gamma =1}dy = 1/2m^{0}c^{2}
And what does this mean? What are the measures dW,\, dy? What is \gamma? What is K? Why are we integrating? Where has this formula come from? I'm confused!

and the net force capable for all this can be given as:

F^{net}=t^{2}-t^{1}
Again, net force of what? And what is t? Where does this come from?

To calculate the amplitude of such an event can be given as:

P \epsilon = \int \epsilon | \psi (x)|dx
What event? And what are P,\, \epsilon, \, \psi? Can you explain please - I don't follow.

Therego, the probability of finding such an event can be given as:

P^{12}= \int t^{1}(S_{0})t^{2}(S_{f})=|(\Delta S_{0})t> |(\Delta S*)t*>
Probability of what event? And what on earth are S_f and S_0? What is the range of integration? And what are you integrating with respect to? And what does the notation on the right hand side mean? It just seems like you've written down gibberish!

Can you elaborate a bit for me? :)

Why are you dodging this - it doesn't make any sense! :confused:

[quantum_wave]

Well, it's quite simple really. To start, do you at all know the variables presented, and let us progress from there shall we?No start clean.

OK, let's have a go at it.

First a nice clean LaTex of the equation.

Then list each important element of the equation and then define what that element means, like:

g_m=q*((-e)+(+e*(1-c)))

List:

q_m is the gravity of mass m. Gravity being the net negative energy emitted by mass in the units called quanta.

Quanta are the incremental energy increments of matter and gravity.

q is the number of quantum increments that make up the mass, also defined as the number of quantum actions that are maintained repeatedly by the mass within the space occupied by the mass.

-{e} is the negative energy portion of the quantum wave. It is the leading low energy density spherical wave that forms the trough of the quantum wave structure.

+e is the positive energy portion of the quantum wave. It is the trailing high energy density spherical wave that forms the crest of the quantum wave structure.

I have explained within the thread how that partiuclar wave sturcture comes about.

With zero containment, the net energy of the quantum wave is zero; -{e} +e = 0

c stands for the containment ratio of the particular mass. Containment is the portion of the positive energy crest of the quantum wave structure that is delayed as subsequent quantum action within the mass "captures" or contains small portions of the positive energy to complete a subsequent quantum action.

Quantum action is explained in detail throughout the thread and I expect if you are reading this you know what it is by now.

Please present your equation in this method and we can discuss on an equal footing.

[Reiku]

I have asked you precisely which aspects of your post I'd like for you to elaborate on:



Why are you dodging this - it doesn't make any sense! :confused:

Very well, let us start with the first equation. I presume you understand the foremost part of the equation. W then is your only incongruity?

W can stand for mass, and also acceleration. I can provide equations which henceforth describe W and W/c^{2} in differential forms. Normally, in the algebraic solutions of relativity, an increase of mass is also given by W/c^{2}.

Is that fine for tackling the first equation?

[Reiku]

And it does make sense. I will settle with the fact that you are only a mathematician, and don't know these in's and out's.

No wonder i had a go at you in the physics and maths area.

[Guest254]

W can stand for mass, and also acceleration.
So which is it?!?!

[AlphaNumeric]

And it does make sense. I will settle with the fact that you are only a mathematician, and don't know these in's and out's.Please don't talk down to someone who has demonstrated out standing grasps of maths and physics while you can't even do basic algebra. Whatever Guest's level of learning in physics (his maths seems to be at least postgraduate) I would bet all the money I have he could take you in a 'physics-off'.

Wanna see?
No wonder i had a go at you in the physics and maths area. Did he ask you to put up or shut up? Where was this?
in differential forms..Oh please do. I bet you don't know anything to do with differential forms. They are highly mathematical so you'll probably be on Guest's home turf there. And given you cannot even multiply out brackets, differential forms is going to be way beyond you.
W can stand for mass, and also acceleration. No, it cannot. And you say this after talking down to Guest about him 'only' being a mathematician!!

Let's look at units.

\Delta E is 'change in energy', so it has units of energy. Which are kg.m^{2}. s^{-2. c has units of velocity, which is m.s^{-1}. So the units of W must be kilograms. So W CANNOT be acceleration! It MUST be a quantity of mass.

This is stuff taught to 6th form students! And yet you continue to try to convince me via PM that you'd doing a 'National Diploma' in what is beyond Cambridge graduate material!! Despite a National Diploma not even being enough to get you into Cambridge! And you seriously think you're going to convince me you aren't a pathetic lying dirtbag who has an obsession with pretending he's doing and capable of things he so obviously isn't?!

[Reiku]

W is mass in this case guest.

Alphenumeric

Stop buzzing around, trying to dig your bitchy nails into my sides please. You're like a cat on heat.

[Reiku]

And everyone, he is a fucking liar;

''convince me via PM that you'd doing a 'National Diploma' in what is beyond Cambridge graduate material!!''

I never tried to convince him of any of the sorts.

[Guest254]

W is mass in this case guest.
Well that wasn't so hard now, was it! Could you have a look at the next bit now? :)

[quantum_wave]

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1976154&postcount=27

Just to follow up on this, after posting this equation to the Mass *had* gravity thread no one addressed the equation. I wanted to follow through over there with more about it but that is the Pseudoscience forum for you :).

Maybe I could start back over here address the units of measure issue brought up here.

Simplifying g_m=q*((-e)+(e*(1-c))) I get g_m=-cn where n is the number of quanta in the mass and c is the containment ratio of the mass.

The mass in quanta is =n

so we can say g=-cn?

Then if the containment ratio is 10%, then g=.1n
and if the containment ratio is 20%, the g=.2n

Using E=mc^2 and substituting n

Then E={n}c^2 where n is the mass in quanta, and c is the speed of light in kilometers per second.

Then are the units of E in quanta/kilometers/sec^2?Since mass in E=mc^2 is say in kilograms, I should be able to use this to convert kilograms to quanta, right? And state quanta in Newtons?

[Reiku]

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1976154&postcount=27

Since mass in E=mc^2 is say in kilograms, I should be able to use this to convert kilograms to quanta, right? And state quanta in Newtons?

Yes, sure.

[quantum_wave]

Yes, sure.So with kilograms in terms of quanta and weight = mass times the acceleration of gravity, can't I convert my g_m to meters/s^2?

[Reiku]

W again is the invariant mass variable, and \gamma is a well-used variable in special relativity, usually found to denote the state of photons. K is the kinetic energy of the system, and the inegrals are talking about diffent steps describing a system with a mass, in this case, can be found at the very end of the equivalance; 1/2m^{0}c^{2} -- usually, until this part is seen, we couldn't be sure if the equation was indeed describing a system for W.

[Reiku]

So with kilograms in terms of quanta and weight = mass times the acceleration of gravity, can't I convert my g_m to meters/sec/sec?


I don't see why not, unless someone else can point out a reason why not too.

[quantum_wave]

I don't see why not, unless someone else can point out a reason why not too.And then since force = mass times acceleration I should be able to convert F_q to Newtons, i.e. the force of a quantum in Newtons?

[Guest254]

W again is the invariant mass variable,
If W is invariant, could you please tell me what dW is.

[quantum_wave]

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1976154&postcount=27

Since mass in E=mc^2 is say in kilograms, I should be able to use this to convert kilograms to quanta, right? And state quanta in Newtons?

So with kilograms in terms of quanta and weight = mass times the acceleration of gravity, can't I convert my g_m to meters/s^2?

And then since force = mass times acceleration I should be able to convert F_q to Newtons, i.e. the force of a quantum in Newtons?I was wondering if someone could take a second and say if this reasoning so far is correct?

[Reiku]

If W is invariant, could you please tell me what dW is.

I don't know Guest. They are variables relativity uses. Why they are used in such a fasion, i guess is purely algebra..

[AlphaNumeric]

And everyone, he is a fucking liar;

''convince me via PM that you'd doing a 'National Diploma' in what is beyond Cambridge graduate material!!''

I never tried to convince him of any of the sorts.Well you claim to be doing curvature and the material you posted over in the supernova thread in astronomy, which you claimed you were doing in class, is Cambridge graduate level. Ergo, you claim to be doing material at or beyond Cambridge graduate level. And it's not a lie because apparently things are tougher in Scotland. Despite Oxbridge not even taking a normal national diploma as even a qualification for entrance to their undergraduate courses!

Also you couldn't even type out equations properly.

[Guest254]

I don't know Guest. They are variables relativity uses. Why they are used in such a fasion, i guess is purely algebra..
This is a shame - I was hoping you'd spot your mistake. If W is constant, then dW is zero. Do you know calculus?

[Reiku]

Yes i do know calculus. Besides, if you saw a mistake, why did you not simply point it out to begin with?

[Reiku]

Well you claim to be doing curvature and the material you posted over in the supernova thread in astronomy, which you claimed you were doing in class, is Cambridge graduate level. Ergo, you claim to be doing material at or beyond Cambridge graduate level. And it's not a lie because apparently things are tougher in Scotland. Despite Oxbridge not even taking a normal national diploma as even a qualification for entrance to their undergraduate courses!

Also you couldn't even type out equations properly.

I never claimed any of the sort alphanumeric. I told you something so very different.

And so what if a can't type an equation properly most of the time. I've already admitted to making typo's in calculations. Not the end of the world.

[Reiku]

And why do you keep talking about all these enigmatic universities? If I don't attend them, what have these places got to do with me?

I am very happy at the college I attend, and is well-renown around my place.

[Guest254]

Yes i do know calculus. Besides, if you saw a mistake, why did you not simply point it out to begin with?
It only became a problem when you said that W was invariant. I was (and still am) surprised by this, because you didn't immediately see the implications. I'm not sure you actually know what you were writing.

I'm not trying to getting at you Reiku. I don't particularly dishonest people, and if you are trying to make out to others on this forum that you know more than you do, and handing out mis-information in the process, you wont get a lot of sympathy from me.

[AlphaNumeric]

And why do you keep talking about all these enigmatic universities? If I don't attend them, what have these places got to do with me?

I am very happy at the college I attend, and is well-renown around my place. Because you claim that your college, which isn't a university, is doing material in your 1st year which is more advanced than these 'enigmatic' universities.

Part III, the mathematics 4th year at Cambridge, is considered to be one of the toughest courses in the world. Top people, literally the top people from Europe make up half the year, the other half did their degree at Cambridge and carried on. One guy, from the US, had been doing 2 years of quantum field theory before going to Cambridge and already had secured a PhD place at Harvard. He was in the lowest 20% of the year for our exams! It's that tough. And yet you claim to be doing the material those students do, but you are 'rusty' at basic algebra, you admit to being not particularly mathematical and you haven't done any of the courses considered, by every university in the world, to be required to study general relativity, such as vector calculus, linear algebra, electromagnetism and special relativity, to name a few.

You're basically saying your college teaches people who are 3 or 4 years younger than the brightest people in Europe material said best people in Europe struggle with.

That's why I keep mentioning Cambridge. Your claiming your college teaches younger people harder material than the toughest mathematical course in possibly the entire world! And you don't think this is a little suspect? :shrug: Particularly considering that Cambridge doesn't consider a national diploma even enough to get into their 1st year!

Why isn't there talk of an educational establishment in Scotland which does what you claim? Why are you only getting a diploma when every other place which teaches such material gives their students degrees, masters and MPhils for that kind of stuff?
Yes i do know calculus. Besides, if you saw a mistake, why did you not simply point it out to begin with? No, I don't think you know calculus. And perhaps Guest does as I do, gives you a chance for you to say "Opps, sorry I was wrong there. I meant to say...." and then you correct yourself. But you didn't. You haven't. Look at the PMs you and I exchanged over the last few days. I gave you a chance to correct your nonsense equations, you said "They are right". Then I ripped that apart.

Why are you incapable of learning?

[Reiku]

It only became a problem when you said that W was invariant. I was (and still am) surprised by this, because you didn't immediately see the implications. I'm not sure you actually know what you were writing.

I'm not trying to getting at you Reiku. I don't particularly dishonest people, and if you are trying to make out to others on this forum that you know more than you do, and handing out mis-information in the process, you wont get a lot of sympathy from me.

But i do know a lot. And the equation is not wrong. Invariant mass is just the technical term for mass. It's a fancy word that has mistaken you.

Now, please don't take the way of alphanumeric. I have to deal enough of his tiresome 'paranoia's.'

He tends to floute about calling people liars, because the word sounds good. I just had to be on this site for two seconds, and he's already calling other people liars, namely BillyT.

[Reiku]

Because you claim that your college, which isn't a university, is doing material in your 1st year which is more advanced than these 'enigmatic' universities.

Part III, the mathematics 4th year at Cambridge, is considered to be one of the toughest courses in the world. Top people, literally the top people from Europe make up half the year, the other half did their degree at Cambridge and carried on. One guy, from the US, had been doing 2 years of quantum field theory before going to Cambridge and already had secured a PhD place at Harvard. He was in the lowest 20% of the year for our exams! It's that tough. And yet you claim to be doing the material those students do, but you are 'rusty' at basic algebra, you admit to being not particularly mathematical and you haven't done any of the courses considered, by every university in the world, to be required to study general relativity, such as vector calculus, linear algebra, electromagnetism and special relativity, to name a few.

You're basically saying your college teaches people who are 3 or 4 years younger than the brightest people in Europe material said best people in Europe struggle with.

That's why I keep mentioning Cambridge. Your claiming your college teaches younger people harder material than the toughest mathematical course in possibly the entire world! And you don't think this is a little suspect? :shrug: Particularly considering that Cambridge doesn't consider a national diploma even enough to get into their 1st year!

Why isn't there talk of an educational establishment in Scotland which does what you claim? Why are you only getting a diploma when every other place which teaches such material gives their students degrees, masters and MPhils for that kind of stuff?
No, I don't think you know calculus. And perhaps Guest does as I do, gives you a chance for you to say "Opps, sorry I was wrong there. I meant to say...." and then you correct yourself. But you didn't. You haven't. Look at the PMs you and I exchanged over the last few days. I gave you a chance to correct your nonsense equations, you said "They are right". Then I ripped that apart.

Why are you incapable of learning?

Why are you trying to lie to everyone? I said, my teacher informs us of different area's of physics which involves particular math. It actually helps us understand how much in use a particular mass is.

Never have i said to you, that the work i was doing was more advanced than cambridge. This is a lie you have planted in your dense skull.

[Guest254]

But i do know a lot.
This isn't what your posts suggests, certainly if "a lot" is to include high school calculus. Having just read through a few of your posts, it seems you put yourself in these kind of situations quite a lot.

I think you are dishonest.

[AlphaNumeric]

He tends to floute about calling people liars, because the word sounds good. I just had to be on this site for two seconds, and he's already calling other people liars, namely BillyT.You : You lie about your education, your knowledge, your abilities, your 'research' and you 'quote' famous people without justification. Lies about what other people have said.

Walter : Misrepresents himself and lies about having working knowledge of relativity.

Paul Dixon : Lies about being nominated for the Nobel Prize in physics. Certainly misrepresents himself.

Wanchung : Misrepresents himself, is actually doing biology.

Precursor : Lies about having read textbooks. Same goes for StevenA.

Mike : Lies about what other people have supposedly said.

Kaneda : Repeatedly lies about what I have or haven't said to him.

All of those have evidence to support them. So it's not paranoia, it's the fact that cranks lie about themselves and their work.
Why are you trying to lie to everyone? I said, my teacher informs
us of different area's of physics which involves particular math. It actually helps us understand how much in use a particular mass is.I am not lying. You have said, in posts and PMs, the following :

You haven't done maths in a long while. You are 'rusty' at it
You, however, claim to have spent the last 3 years researching quantum field theory (yet QFT is highly mathematical).
You claim to be competant/educated in vector calculus, quantum mechanics, group theory, special relativity and general relativity. You have proven the opposite.
You claim you were 'accidentally' put in a class which would have to be about 8 years ahead of what your stated place in education actually is.
The topics you posted here (http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=81803) are pre-university level material, yet the equations and concepts here (http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1908684&postcount=1439) you claim you've been taught is about the laws of black hole mechanics, a postgraduate topic at any university. Similarly, you claim to be doing 'curvature' but you cannot even write down the geodesic equation properly!
You claim to be looking into quantum mechanics and consciousness, yet you don't have a working understanding of quantum mechanics.
The equations you post and have PM'd me involve tensor calculus, which is beyond vector calculus, which is undergraduate material, which is beyond your current place in education.
You claim to be researching quantum field theory, but you don't know any. Researching quantum field theory is beyond undergraduate material too but all the sources of information you ever provide are pop science books.

Shall I continue?
Never have i said to you, that the work i was doing was more advanced than cambridge. This is a lie you have planted in your dense skull.The link I just provided is stuff covered in the Cambridge 4th year. See Chapter 7 (http://www.hep.phys.soton.ac.uk/~g.j.weatherill/lecturenotes/III/Blackholes.pdf).

Can you explain why you're being taught such material at a level of education below university?
I have to deal enough of his tiresome 'paranoia's.'You post nonsense. I correct nonsense. You whine about it, something threaten to leave. You don't leave. Repeat indefinitely.

[quantum_wave]

I consider this thread to have a topic and I have remained pretty true to that topic.

Can I ask everyone to take the off topic conversation elsewhere?

[quantum_wave]

Quantization:

The concept of quantization can be applied to anything that takes on discrete numerical values in spite of the fact that they exist at a level of wave interaction that uses measures smaller than the Planck Constant.

Here in the Pseudoscience forum I have predicted that an energy background exists and serves as the source of spherical waves and wave actions that combine to form matter and cause gravity. I have predicted that background would be quantized. That means that the magnitude of wave interactions and measurement can take on only certain discrete numerical values, rather than any value, at least within a range. The range I am dealing with is smaller than the Planck constant used to describe the quantum world of Planck and particle physic.

In the pseudoscience of QWC all of the fundamental particles of the particle model are composed of quantum waves and quantum action that deal with quantization of the energy in the energy background. The quantum in QWC (Quantum Wave Cosmology described in my thread) is a different usage of the terms quantum and quanta than many are familiar with.

They are not electromagnetic, they have no charge, they are not photons, and they are not the discrete increments that Planck discovered to explain the observed characteristics of electromagnetic radiation. However they are predicted to be quantized, and referred to by the terms quantum and quanta just like any other quantized measure.

The waves and wave actions that I am dealing with are referred to as quantum waves and the action that produces them is referred to as quantum action.

What I am getting at is that mass is composed of energy, and that energy is in quantum increments. The measure of the energy in mass is the quantum in QWC. That makes it a unit of measure that is not used in mainstream physics but is used in pseudoscience. If there is a background and if matter really is made up of energy in quantum increments, this unit of measure will be necessary.

Equivalence is commonly accepted as in e=mc^2. Fundamental particles are thought to be the composition of matter in current quantum physics.

I'm just sayin' ... fundamental particles are composed of energy in quantum increments smaller than the Planck regime. This is pseudoscience until it is embraced by the mainstream. I predict it will occur, maybe when the LHC starts producing meaningful data.

The measures in QWC will include a unit of energy in place of the Joule and a unit of force in place of the Newton. The basic physics we learn in school will still work with these new units. Mass will be measured in something akin to the quantum I discuss. Weight will still be mass times acceleration. Kilograms and units of weight and mass will be remain but new units of measure will be added to the jargon.

I am making an attempt to define a couple of new units of measure so that QWC can be described mathematically. We don't know yet the range of these measures and most pseudoscience discussions include estimates to put the predicted scale into perspective. If that perspective is challenged there is no defense. An exchange of posts in my Pseudoscience QWC thread is an example of how pseudoscience practitioners are challenged as if even a figure offered for talking purposes was unacceptable.

I'm thinking of changing the name I gave to the unit of energy. Qwac is funny and draws attention, but in practice I am thinking Qwe and Qwf. Qwe is a unit of energy equal to the energy of a QWC quantum, and Qwf is a unit of force. The length of time for a quantum action would require a measure as well, which might be called ... Sqwat, ... no just kidding :), I'll come up with something.

So mass is composed of quanta, and the force of a quantum is a Qwf, and the energy of mass is measured in Qwe. Nothing confusing about that ... . So far I haven't got Sqwat :D.

[quantum_wave]

Qwes and Qwfs:

I think I will change the name of the energy unit that I have been describing as “quantum” and “quanta” in QWC. Maybe “qwantum and qwanta” will bring attention to this use of quantization (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1977479&postcount=124).

The Qwe is a unit of energy. It is stated in a format similar to Joules except the kilogram is replaced with the qwantum. Qwe equals one qwantum of mass per meter squared per second squared.

The Qwf is a unit of force. It is stated in a format similar to a Newton which is the force need to move one kilogram one meter per second squared, except the kilogram is replaced with the qwantum. One Qwf is the force required to move one qwantum (Qwe) one meter per second squared.

The Qwe is also called a Qwf-metre like the Joule is called Newton-metre.

I am working on a unit of time that will apply uniquely to the qwe and qwf. When I figure out some of the implications of such a unit it may be used in place of the second as a fractional second or in place of Planck time.

Similarly I am working on a unit of distance that better applies to the qwantum and qwanta. When I get that done it may be used in place of the meter in defining the qwe and qwf and in place of Planck length for QWC math.

Then since those measures will have no real values from observations or evidence, I will assign temporary values based on the perspective that QWC Pseudoscience took when defining them. Such values will be for talking purposes and to put the predicted measures into perspective with the mainstream measures.

[quantum_wave]

Oh, I can't do it. Qwanta and qwantum just don't work. To cutesie for a cosmology that I believe is reasonable and responsible. I'm sticking with quantum and quanta. Any confusion with electromagnitism and photon energies isn't a problem to anyone who has learned QWC.

[quantum_wave]

How do you know if you have learned QWC?

It doesn't mean you believe it, but to know what it predicts you should know that QWC is just energy. This list is an explanation of Quantum Wave Cosmology (QWC) in a series of sentences that all begin with the word “energy”. There is a great deal more detail to QWC but this list doesn’t dwell on the minute detail but presents an overview of the QWC scenario. QWC is pseudoscience and though it claims to make a series of reasonable and responsible predictions, they are speculation and there is no new or specific evidence to make this cosmology specifically more likely than any other cosmology. But it is my cosmology and I share it. I hope you like it enough to discuss it.

QWC is energy:

Energy is the only commodity in the universe

Energy that exists has always existed

Energy at any point in space has energy density

Energy is infinitely fine, i.e. there is no space that does not contain energy

Energy density determines thresholds that control matter

Energy equilibrium is the lowest energy density threshold and no matter exists at equilibrium or below

Energy equilibrium is fully equalized energy density with no fluctuations

Energy density fluctuates when the energy density is above the equilibrium threshold

Energy density fluctuations become more frequent and intense as the energy density increases

Energy density above equilibrium and below the quantum threshold is referred to as the energy background of the universe

Energy density above the quantum threshold but below the matter formation threshold forms energy quanta and quantum action but no matter

Energy density fluctuations become quantized when the density is above the quantum threshold

Energy quanta cause quantum action that initiates quantum waves

Energy quanta and quantum action involves overlapping of expanding spherical waves that intersect and when the overlap equals a quantum of energy from the contributing waves a quantum action takes place and a new quantum wave is generated

Energy quanta standout from the energy background

Energy in quantum waves expands spherically across the energy background and perpetuates energy density fluctuations in the background

Energy density above the matter formation threshold causes matter to form in quantum increments

Energy has a universal average energy density threshold and matter maintains a constant relationship to the energy at that threshold so that matter and energy are constantly in balance across the greater universe

Energy quanta form mass by grouping together and perpetuating internal quantum action and quantum waves

Energy in the form of quantum waves has an expanding spherical wave structure consisting of a leading trough of low energy density followed by a trailing crest of high energy density

Energy in the form of quantum waves inside mass provides energy for internal quantum action which delays a portion of the high energy crest of the internal quantum waves.

Energy that is delayed by quantum action is referred to as containment of the positive energy of the quantum wave

Energy in the negative leading trough of the quantum wave is not delayed by quantum action but simply jostles surrounding energy density fluctuations and stimulates quantum action as the high energy crest passes

Energy containment results in a net negative energy emanating from mass that causes gravity

Energy in the form of the net negative quantum wave emanations of gravity obeys the inverse square rule

Energy density occupying an arena of space that is at the average energy density of the greater universe can host matter in a non-expansionary environment

Energy density occupying an arena of space that is above the average energy density of the greater universe will experience expansion until the energy density equalizes with the energy density of the greater universe

Energy in the form of matter in the non-expansionary environment of the greater universe will be controlled by gravity and will mix and merge into arenas with a common center of gravity

Energy in the form of matter in an arena with a common center of gravity will collapse toward that center of gravity over time


Energy in the form of matter in a collapsing arena will accumulate around the center of gravity as a big crunch forms

Energy in the form of matter in a big crunch will experience increasing energy density due to compression caused by the gravity of the big crunch

Energy in the form of matter and chaotic electromagnetic radiation are compressed at the core of a big crunch as the energy density approaches the last threshold called critical capacity

Energy in the form of matter ceases to function at the critical capacity threshold

Energy density at critical capacity at the core of a big crunch negates matter by locking quantum action

Energy in the form of quantum waves cannot be produced when quantum action is halted

Energy collapses to the maximum possible energy density in the negated core of a big crunch when quantum action is halted

Energy stops emanating from mass at the critical capacity threshold when matter ceases to function, halting the net negative quantum waves that cause gravity and thus halting gravity at the core of the big crunch

Energy locked in the core of a big crunch is called potential expansion energy

Energy contained in a big crunch that has reached critical capacity is equivalent to the total energy content of our currently expanding arena which we call the known universe

Energy contained in a big crunch in its final stages represents the maximum overlapping of energy density fluctuations that occur at quantum wave intersections and when the potential expansion energy exceeds the final gravitational containment of the big crunch a big burst occurs

Energy density surrounding a big crunch as the final gravitational energy is spent is at the universal average energy density of the greater universe and the energy density of the crunch is at the maximum possible energy density

Energy density in the form of potential expansion energy is released when the big burst occurs

Energy density equalization immediately begins as the maximum energy density released by the big burst and the much lower average universal energy density surrounding the burst begin to equalize

Energy overlapping from the burst with the surrounding energy density of the greater universe puts the arena into the expansion mode

Energy density equalizes and decreases to below the critical capacity threshold but must equalize and decrease further to reach the upper matter formation threshold before matter formation begins in the expanding arena

Energy density in the expanding arena begins to form quanta and quantum action begins below that threshold

Energy density at the upper end of the matter formation range produces quantum action in abundance and matter forms abundantly

Energy in the form of matter that forms abundantly at this high energy density has initial momentum imparted to it from the expansion of the energy density in the arena within which the matter forms

Energy that takes the form of mass in this expanding environment is made up of energy quanta and quantum action takes place within the mass

Energy within mass that produces quantum action also causes gravity and so gravity is functioning as soon as mass forms

Energy in the form on net negative quantum wave emanations from mass causes local grouping of mass within the expanding arena

Energy in the form of mass that groups within the expanding arena forms stars because the gravitation force allows star structure while gravity locally exceeds expansion momentum

Energy in the form of mass that forms stars will then form galaxies during this still early phase of expansion while gravity still exceeds expansion momentum

Energy in the form of galaxies will obey the inverse square rule of gravity and the gravitational attraction between galaxies will finally fail to overcome the expansion momentum and thus the galaxies will all be moving away from each other

Energy in the form of expansion momentum of the galaxies will continue to exceed the gravitational attraction between galaxies and the rate of separation between galaxies will accelerate

Energy denisty in the arena of galaxies that are separating at an accelerating rate will eventually become equalized with the average energy density of the greater universe

Energy density occupying an arena of space that is at the average energy density of the greater universe can host matter in a non-expansionary environment

Energy in the form of galaxies that have been disbursed by an expanding arena that has played out and has become equalized with the greater universe will encounter the galactic remnants of a long history of similar arenas that have also played out through formation, crunch/bursts, expansion, galaxy formation and disbursal into the non-expanding energy density environment of the greater universe

Energy in the form of matter in the non-expansionary environment of the greater universe will be controlled by gravity and will mix and merge into arenas with a common center of gravity

Energy in the form of matter in an arena with a common center of gravity will collapse toward that center of gravity over time

Energy in the form of matter in a collapsing arena will accumulate around the center of gravity as a big crunch forms

Energy in QWC is potentially infinite and matter is potentially infinite and there are a potentially infinite number of arenas playing out across the potentially infinite greater universe at any given time

Energy in QWC in the form of the energy-to matter-to energy process that is controlled by energy density thresholds plus the limit of energy density called critical capacity prevents the entire greater universe from collapsing into one ultimate and final big crunch

Energy equilibrium which would produce complete entropy is thus defeated by QWC.

[quantum_wave]

This post introduced a list of sentences all starting with the word “energy” which taken together give an overview of Quantum Wave Cosmology (QWC).

This post is the first in a group of post intended to expand upon the individual “energy” statements from that referenced post. There is still more detail to QWC but these expanded explanations lead deeper into the supporting rationale.

Disclaimer: QWC is pseudoscience and though it claims to make a series of reasonable and responsible predictions, they are speculation and there is no new or specific evidence to make this cosmology more likely than any other cosmology. QWC describes the cause of mass and gravity, dark energy, dark matter, the cause of the big bang, the cause of expansion and accelerating expansion, and defeats entropy by avoiding the fate or fates predicted by BBT. Like BBT, QWC is modified as new facts and evidence come to light, but QWC is also updated as a result of input from members of the community. I hope you like it enough to discuss it.

“Energy” statements from the referenced post are in bold.

QWC is energy:

Energy is the only commodity in the universe

If that is the case then the working definition of energy in QWC is this entire list.

Energy that exists has always existed

In QWC there was no beginning and time is infinite backward, but movement in time can only be forward. Time in QWC is a continuum. Any measure of actual time flow is a measure of time past because in order to be measured in some defined increment, there must be a start point and an end point for the measurement and both points must be passed by the forward movement of the actual time continuum in order to complete the measurement.

Energy at any point in space has energy density

This says that QWC is compatible with an energy continuum but to be more precise, QWC only requires that energy forms a continuous background for the transmission of quantum waves. If the true mature of the background allows empty space but still allows transmission of waves via free and continuous movement of some sort of discrete energy packets in response to the kind of quantum waves predicted by QWC, then QWC still works the same.

Energy is infinitely fine, i.e. there is no space that does not contain energy

Actually this is a position of convenience meaning that in QWC it is convenient to refer to energy as a continuum. That does not mean that QWC doesn’t work just the same if there is an energy increment at the infinitesimal level. Actually, if energy is all there is, and there is a small discrete quantum nature at that infinitesimal level then that would eliminate the “turtles all the way down” scenario this is possible if energy density is a continuum. Eliminating “turtles” would be less interesting but more marketable :). Also, QWC often refers to energy sub-quanta. If energy itself is quantized at the smallest level then those lowest order quanta would be the sub-quanta that compose the energy that stands out from the background as quantum increments in QWC. Mass would still be quantized and would then be said to consist of energy in discrete groupings of quanta, each grouping representing a quantum increment necessary to become a constituent of matter. Reality consisting of both an energy continuum and a time continuum adds a degree of mystery to QWC that leaves open many possibilities for idle speculation, but QWC doesn’t condone speculation that isn’t reasonable and responsible.

Energy density determines thresholds that control matter

Thresholds are an interesting element of QWC. A theoretical threshold that QWC avoids is the Equilibrium Threshold otherwise known as entropy where there are no density fluctuations.

A step up in energy density brings us to the quantum threshold where energy quanta first stand out from the background but are not frequent enough to maintain the quantum action necessary for mass to produce gravity.

The next energy density level is the theoretical lower matter formation threshold. I say theoretical because matter actually forms as energy density is decreasing from higher energy density thresholds but this lower level is useful in understanding QWC as long as the reader realizes that the sequence of events calls for abundant matter formation in expanding arenas and not in contracting arenas. Energy density declines in expanding arenas and increases in contracting arenas, but in QWC, by the time arena contraction begins, large scale structure of mass already exists in the form of galaxies.

Above the lower matter formation threshold comes the critical capacity threshold which marks the point where matter ceases to function and gravity is halted because quantum action begins to get “locked” and matter is negated at that threshold. This is actually the cause of the “big bang”, aka the big burst in QWC.

The next threshold is actually the big burst itself that marks the final capitulation of the big crunch and releases the locked quantum action that has potential expansion energy. That release is the cause of arena expansion.

The next threshold is the first of the decreasing energy density thresholds called the upper matter formation threshold. Matter forms abundantly below this threshold from the tightly packed quanta. It is at this point that matter gets initial momentum transferred to it from the expansion of the energy in the arena. All matter is moving away from all other matter as it forms in this stage, but the matter is so closely packed that the gravity exerted by mass is able to overcome the expansion momentum. The ability to overcome expansion momentum continues until galactic structure takes place because momentum is conserved.

Once the inverse square rules has caused the force of gravity between galaxies to diminish to the point that expansion momentum of the galaxies exceeds their gravitational attraction, the next decreasing energy density threshold begins. It is called the accelerating expansion threshold that marks the point where galactic momentum outstrips gravity between galaxies. This threshold marks the point that galaxies are on a path to become remnants of their arena and the arena is destined to play out.

As the energy density declines further, the last of the decreasing energy density thresholds occurs. It is called the equalization threshold (not to be confused with the equilibrium threshold). The arena has completely merged with the average energy density of the greater universe. At the equalization threshold, the QWC energy-to matter-to energy process has played out and the arena contents have been disbursed to become a part of the non-expansionary, gravity controlled greater universe where new arenas are born.

Energy equilibrium is the lowest energy density threshold and no matter would exists at equilibrium or below

This threshold is purely theoretical in QWC. It never occurs because it represents complete entropy. QWC defeats entropy because matter in QWC is potentially infinite and critical capacity of a big crunch makes arenas finite in content. In QWC there are a potentially infinite number of active arenas in the greater universe at any given time.


Energy equilibrium is fully equalized energy density with no fluctuations

The equilibrium threshold represents entropy at its best; no useful energy exits. Not only would there be no useful energy, but there would be no energy density fluctuations. QWC however is a cosmology that predicts that complete entropy will never occur because the average energy density of the greater universe is above the density that could ever reach equilibrium. This is because there is an infinite amount of energy and the average energy density is far above the equilibrium threshold. Therefore regardless of how the energy density is distributed, equilibrium cannot occur. In addition, in conjunction with QWC’s threshold of critical capacity, the “other” entropy that would occur if a final ultimate big crunch were possible is defeated. In QWC it is not possible for a final collapse of matter because when a big crunch reaches critical capacity it bursts into an expanding arena.

[quantum_wave]

Is energy the fundamental commodity in the universe?

There is much said and observed to support the equivalence of energy and matter. There isn’t any evidence that they are not equivalent that I can find Googling.

This e-book on Physical Geography (http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/6a.html) includes the simple definition of energy and includes a suggestion by Einstein that it should be possible to transform energy to matter:

“Energy is defined simply by scientists as the capacity for doing work. Matter is the material (atoms and molecules) that constructs things on the Earth and in the Universe. Albert Einstein suggested early in this century that energy and matter are related to each other at the atomic level. Einstein theorized that it should be possible to convert matter into energy. From Einstein's theories, scientists were able to harness the energy of matter beginning in the 1940s through nuclear fission. The most spectacular example of this process is a nuclear explosion from an atomic bomb. A more peaceful example of our use of this fact of nature is the production of electricity from controlled fission reactions in nuclear reactors. Einstein also suggested that it should be possible to transform energy into matter.”

My question simply follows Einstein’s suggestion, if matter can be transformed to energy and if energy can be transformed to matter, wouldn’t it be true that matter is a form of energy and energy is the fundamental commodity in the universe? Does anyone disagree and why?

[kaneda]

You : You lie about your education, your knowledge, your abilities, your 'research' and you 'quote' famous people without justification. Lies about what other people have said.

Walter : Misrepresents himself and lies about having working knowledge of relativity.

Paul Dixon : Lies about being nominated for the Nobel Prize in physics. Certainly misrepresents himself.

Wanchung : Misrepresents himself, is actually doing biology.

Precursor : Lies about having read textbooks. Same goes for StevenA.

Mike : Lies about what other people have supposedly said.

Kaneda : Repeatedly lies about what I have or haven't said to him.


Of course, all the rest of the world is wrong and AlphaNumeric is right. He has even convinced himself he is doing something original, which is as likely as a creationist getting the Noble prize. Poor, poor AN. :bawl:

[quantum_wave]

Of course, all the rest of the world is wrong and AlphaNumeric is right. He has even convinced himself he is doing something original, which is as likely as a creationist getting the Noble prize. Poor, poor AN. :bawl:Perhaps you missed this post (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1976713&postcount=123), at least I hope that is the case.

Please take your off topic conversation elsewhere.

[quantum_wave]

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My question simply follows Einstein’s suggestion, if matter can be transformed to energy and if energy can be transformed to matter, wouldn’t it be true that matter is a form of energy and energy is the fundamental commodity in the universe? Does anyone disagree and why?I posted a similar question in the P&M forum and BenTheMan pointed me to a similar thread. It turns out that 1) the phrase "fundamental" isn't well understood outside of the normal usage in particle physics where there are a variety of fundamental particles, and 2) "energy" being "fundamental" is a concept that is also outside of standard usage of the term energy and is thus confusing when used by non-professionals in any non-standard context.


I call it a "jargon" problem and the "jargon disadvantage" afflicts both the professional and non-professional alike. So on this thread, the best definition of "energy" in QWC is in this post (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1979675&postcount=127).

[quantum_wave]

I want to talk about the QWC idea of an origin of cosmic rays and gamma ray bursts (http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw76.html).

First some perspective; take a sheet of paper and put a dot in the center, like a period.

Then think of that dot as our known universe as it is today, expanding somewhere in the greater universe.

Consider the rest of the paper to be a large swath of the greater universe. Scatter a few more dots around randomly toward the edges of the swath representing other arenas similar to our own that are expanding or contracting out there as predicted in QWC cosmology.

Then in the space around and between the dots draw a bunch of tiny little curlicues and swirls which represent the mixing and merging of galactic remnants from played out arenas that have not yet become part of new arenas.

In QWC these mixing and merging galaxies are characterized by occasional collisions between stars or stars and galactic black holes as the remnant galaxies rendevous and mingle out there in the greater universe.

Gamma bursts and cosmic rays emitted by these collisions would penetrate the expanding arenas like ours from all directions.

[quantum_wave]

I post this question from time to time, “Do advocates of the standard model that implies ‘something from nothing’ ever address that implication? Can they explain how our expanding universe did not come from nothing, or even how it did come from nothing in their BBT cosmology?”

The resident SciForum mathematicians and physicists who advocate BBT and who refer to alternative cosmologies with scorn, are mute on that question. No one has ever given me an answer other than, “we don’t know”.

Cosmic Wave Cosmology has an arena landscape in a potentially infinite greater universe. It is characterized by energy that cannot be created or destroyed, and where matter is composed of energy in quantum increments. Finite arenas form from the galactic remnants of arenas that have played out, sending their galactic structures out to mix with the galactic remnants of other arenas that have also played out. The reverse entropy that perpetuates the energy to matter to energy process takes place in these arenas, as big crunches form out in the greater universe and then burst into new expanding arenas where new galaxies are re-formed from the energy released by each big crunch.

[quantum_wave]

This post includes ideas posted elsewhere but with a few changes should really be part of this thread too, IMHO.

Many insist that BBT is a good model after the first picoseconds. But what would have had to "be" to cause the BB. When you think about it, almost any precondition would lead to an entirely different model to explain the universe.

There would have to be a cause of expansion. BBT doesn't address anything until after the BB so it ignores any possible cause.

Once we find ourselves in an expanding observable universe BB implies that it had a beginning from nothing and many of us don't buy that?

Let's say there was a cause and that cause was the burst of a big crunch. That means that there is a history before the BB. Given a big crunch that bursts, we automatically know something about that history that is not factored into BBT.

What we would then know is that expansion has not been going on in all places throughout all of the history of the universe and that at least in the vicinity of our own big crunch, there was space and time where something physically existed and it was not expanding.

A big crunch would have formed by the reverse of expansion, i.e. the collapse of matter and energy into the crunch.

So a simple "guess" (no evidence) about a precondition (a big crunch) raises the question about the extent of the universe and the ratio of matter to energy. Wouldn't we be able to "guess" that there was enough space and energy to support multiple arenas? Wouldn't we be able to "guess" that when crunches burst, eventually galaxies form from the expanding energy of the burst? Wouldn't we be able to "guess" that the galaxies from a history of multiple bursts would mix and merge out in the greater universe? And wouldn't we be able to guess that gravity would cause big crunches to form from that mixing and merging?

So the statement that there is no evidence does not mean that our current standard model is right and it doesn't mean that any preconditions to the BB have to be viewed as "fudging" the evidence. In fact the best ideas of what caused the big bang lead to a much different model and a multiple arena landscape seems to yield a model that looks much like the universe as we see it, even though we can see only from within our particular expanding arena.

The part that makes me go there is that we don't have to have a model that implies something from nothing.

[quantum_wave]

That is where Quantum Wave Cosmology offers some detailed ideas that could explain how big crunches burst, and why each arena would be similar to all of the others.

This similarity takes QWC in a different direction from the multiverse theories and “many worlds” ideas. QWC also takes us in a different direction from string theory where there are infinite possibilities as to the physics that might apply determining the size, duration, and inflation characteristics of each multiverse.

In QWC, that is why I use the term arena. Each arena would have essentially the same amount of energy, would follow a similar path through the energy to matter to energy process, and would start and end in the same way via the same physics.

So a multiple arena model featuring mixing and merging galaxies from previously expanding arenas collapsing into big crunches brings up the need for some explanation of what cause a big crunch to burst. If each crunch bursts for the same reason, under the same internal pressures, with similar capacities of matter and energy then each expanding arena will follow a similar course.

[quantum_wave]

So in QWC what does make a big crunch burst into expansion?

Simple.

Mass has gravity. When mass is compressed to the point that it no longer functions as mass, gravity stops.

The energy that funded the mass and the gravity is locked up in the vault.

Potential energy stuck away in a safety deposit box like gold, accept a lot more dense ...

Cubic centimeter for cubic centimeter this locked energy reaches the maximum possible energy density. It just can't get denser than that. And that is not infinitely dense.

[quantum_wave]

Thanks for all of you interesting comments :p.

Thoughts on the ether in QWC

A comparison of the energy background to the superseded scientific theory called the ether:

In QWC the ether cannot be detected because the background is associated with mass and gravity, and is “dragged” by mass.

The space surrounding mass is filled with energy density fluctuations that respond to mass, and that in turn are an extension of mass. Just as mass stands out from the background, the existence of mass depends on the energy background. The energy density fluctuations of the energy background have been described in detail earlier in QWC. To understand the comparison between the background and the ether you have to have a working knowledge of QWC (which only I have :), unless someone understands this thread and is still lurking).

The energy density fluctuations of the background are always changing in response to quantum waves. Quantum waves are emitted by mass as quantum action that emits quantum waves takes place within mass. Quantum waves are also emitted in the space surrounding mass as quantum action occurs in the energy background surrounding mass. Quantum waves that are emitted from within mass pass into the energy background surrounding that mass, and quantum waves that are emitted from and/or are carried to mass through the background pass into and through mass. Quantum waves from both sources participate in the containment of quantum action within mass that causes mass and gravity. Mass stands out from the background but is tied to and dependent on the background for its existence.

Photons have electromagnetic characteristics consisting of two component fields, electric fields and magnetic fields. The component wave structure is imparted to them by the electromagnetic nature of the electrons that emit them, but they also are created by energy quanta within the electron that emits them. A single photon consists of multiple quantum waves traversing the energy background as a multiple wave pattern with the electromagnetic characteristics of their transverse structure instead of as gravity waves with their own distinctive spherical trough/crest wave structure. Both travel through the background at the speed of light and both are the result of energy quanta participating in their emission from their source mass. Gravity waves cannot poloraized (http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/GBSSCI/PHYS/CLASS/light/u12l1e.html).

The ether that photon waves and gravity waves traverse in QWC is the energy background that is associated with the existence and the containment of mass and that is dragged by the movement of mass. Sense mass moves through the energy density of the background and drags the background with it, the background cannot be detected by light wave interferometry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interferometry).

[quantum_wave]

I probably don’t need to point this out since I’m sure you have read and understood this whole thread, but in Quantum Wave Cosmology (modern ideas about the universe) the event that started the expansion of our observable universe was the burst of a big crunch. That is sort of like a Big Bang, accept in Big Bang Theory, they don’t say what caused the expansion to begin and they don’t say that there were any preconditions at all.

In fact, Big Bang Theory, correct me if I’m wrong, implies that there was nothing, no space or time before the Big Bang, and that the entire universe emerged from a zero volume, infinitely dense “point space”. (And they call QWC pseudoscience :shrug:)

In QWC a big crunch existed before expansion began, and the “burst” of the crunch started the expansion. The big burst occurred when the crunch reached an internal compression sufficient to force matter into a small enough space that mass could no longer function. In QWC, gravity is a function of mass and so gravity stopped working too. When gravity failed, the seeds of destruction of the crunch were sown and eventually the potential energy of the quantum action building up in the core of the big crunch exceeded the remaining compression of diminishing gravity, and the burst occurred.

In BBT, there is no mention of what caused the Big Bang and it is implied that everything came from nothing. If that was not true I would think someone would have corrected me by now because that has been one of the QWC ideas from the start and remains unchallenged.

The ideas of QWC mean that everything in the universe didn’t have to come out of nowhere or from nothing. This is a great feature of QWC because it allows for the conservation of energy, the conservation of momentum, and makes expansion and even accelerating expansion (referred to as dark energy) a matter of energy density equalization instead of inflation. Even though BBT can't claim any of these features that seem so basic, those QWC ideas also have gone unchallenged.

You'd think no one is reading this stuff, lol.

Inflation would have had to have been fueled from within the Big Bang itself. That means that the energy necessary to cause the superluminal (faster than the speed of light) inflation that created all that space in the first instant after the Big Bang would had to have come from nothing too.

QWC doesn't need exponential expansion because the thermalized cosmic microwave background is a standard feature of the greater universe that surrounded the big crunch when it formed and when the burst occurred. In BBT faster than light inflation had to have occurred in order for the casual connection between the Big Bang and the CMBR to make sense.

Study QWC because someday soon you may want to be able to talk authoritatively about it at cocktail parties :). You can even say you knew one of the guys who predicted it.

[quantum_wave]

I want to include this post in my pseuodoscience thread so here (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2008109&postcount=49) is where it came from.

Well, there's yet anothe of your assumptions shot down in blazes - I spent a little over 45 minutes reading through the WHOLE thing. Including re-reading some parts because they were so poorly written and presented.

All I saw was really just a bunch of senseless rambling. Yes, you DO know a little about quantum physics - but VERY little. Your ideas came from your imagination only - there's nothing to base any of them upon.

And even after having waded through page after page of that "stuff", nowhere did I find what I asked you for originally. Namely:

Certainly 'heat death' of the universe is a theory - but it fits perfectly with all the observations we've ever made. Not even to mention established principles.

Do YOU have one that's more plausible? If so, please share it with us AND all the professional cosmologists and physicists in the whole world.

And be CERTAIN to include some solid observations that support your new, radical "theory". Just simply describing it would be worthless.

And I'll even be kind enough to change "theory" in that last sentence to "idea" because it actually is more fitting.

So... are you up to answering my questions without sending me off on another nearly hour-long wild goose chase for nothing????I give you a lot of credit for what you just said and for giving my pseudoscience a 45 minute review like that.

I am disappointed that you didin't find my answer to the quesiton about BBT and the heat death theory. Strange as it may seem to you, I would agree with the idea of infinite expansion and the resulting complete entropy that it would mean. I did address that and I gave the reason that entropy will not become complete in QWC.

The reason that BBT says that entropy is not yet complete, i.e. has not happened yet is because it would take longer that 13.7 billion years for complete entropy to occur and so there just hasn't been enough time yet. I don't know how you would defend the idea that if there was a beginning that followed the scenario implied by BBT (a beginning that started the 13.7 billion year clock), then we have to conclude that something (everything) came from nothing or God did it.

That is the reason that in QWC, energy cannot be created or destroyed, (one of those basics that you insist others follow ... others except BBT I guess), and the energy of the greater universe has always existed and big crunches and big bursts have always been happening. Let's just agree to disagree.

My idea (that our arena is expanding from the burst of a big crunch) would end in a similar result as your heat death theory if I didn't add the idea that galactic remnants form past arenas mix and merge to form new big crunches. The process is ongoing in QWC, and so though a single arena would suffer heat death if nothing else is out there, multiple arenas would be renewed through reverse entropy, i.e. the collapse of matter and energy into new big crunches by sharing galactic remnants from a history of arenas that have played out across the landscape of the greater universe.

That way, we don't have to depend on such a short duration (13.7 billion years) because we have a potentially infinite number of arenas and each one would be 13.7 billion years old at some point in their lives before they play out.

However, when you say that "it fits perfectly with all the observations we've ever made", you imply something that the theory doesn't say. We, you and I (with my ideas) and all the theorists have no way of observing anything that says that our expanding universe is not an arena in a greater universe that has similar arenas throughout; some expanding and some contracting. That is an idea I put forth in the linked thread.

Nor is it possible to observe anything that confirms that the eventual heat death will occur. It is only theory for that reason.

Thank you for your time, no I don't have anything more I feel that it would be useful to link you too, and your criticisms about poor writing and nothing to support my "theory" shows that my ideas are not for you.

I acknowledge that you mention that even if you changed your question to use "ideas" instead of "theory" you would have the same objections to my "stuff".

[quantum_wave]

It occurred to me to put Quantum Wave Cosmology (QWC) to the test that is defined by the Task Force on Teacher Institutes of the National Center for Science Education (NCSE) (http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/info.fs.html) located in Berkeley, California. This initiative was funded by a grant that Stan Weinberg, the Founding Father of NCSE, had received from the Carnegie and Lounsbury Foundation. I decided to see if QWC qualifies as Emerging Science (referred to as Protoscience) as opposed to False Science (referred to as Pseudoscience) when analyzed by the CONPTT approach.
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http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/conptt.html#anchor176433

WHAT IS "FALSE SCIENCE"?

False Science Defined: False science ("pseudoscience") may be defined as a non-science which is portrayed and advertised as a legitimate science by its followers and supporters. Good examples of a pseudoscience would include "astrology" (as presented by some of its supporters), and "creation science". (See Strahler, page 525).

Or is Quantum Wave Cosmology actually protoscience?

WHAT IS "EMERGING SCIENCE"?

Emerging Science Defined: Emerging science (or "protoscience") may be defined as a "near science". A protoscience tends to conform to most of the CONPTT criteria but typically falls short in one or more of the criteria. A protoscience differs from a science in that consistent observations and predictions may be limited by knowledge and/or technology.

For example, let's look at parapsychology. This includes such phenomena as clairvoyance, precognition, and psychokinesis. Scientists generally consider parapsychology a pseudoscience because its phenomena conflict with known physical laws. However, at least one member of the parapsychology family, mental telepathy (thought transmission directly from one brain to another), might be worthy of scientific consideration. Mental telepathy, then, could be considered as a "protoscience".

NOTE: See Arthur Strahler, Science and Earth History (1987), page 55 regarding mental telepathy as a protoscience; pages 46-47 for more information about extraterrestrial visitors; and pages 47-49 for more information about UFOs and UFOlogy.

Can we use the CONPTT approach to determine if QWC is Pseudoscience or Protoscience?

HOW CAN WE TELL SCIENCE FROM NON-SCIENCE?

Concept: Following the discussion of "CONPTT", the student will be able to distinguish between scientific and non-scientific statements.

Introduction: To summarize our previous discussions and today's ideas, let's list some criteria that might help us recognize the difference between what is science and what is not science, criteria that will enable us to recognize a scientific statement and a non-scientific statement.

The following criteria were developed by science educators in Iowa and found acceptable by several Midwestern high school biology teachers. (edit note: that seems appropriated for SciForums with many students and without rigorously applied distinctions between forums and forum rules)

SCIENCE IDENTIFICATION CRITERIA or THE CHARACTERISTICS OF SCIENCE

Six Criteria of Science: Consistent, Observable, Natural, Predictable, Testable, and Tentative. The sequence is not important, but the acronym "CONPTT" makes a good long term memory hook.

1. Consistency: The results of repeated observations and/or experiments concerning a naturally occurring event (phenomenon) are reasonably the same when performed and repeated by competent investigators. The event is also free from self-contradiction: it is consistent in its applications. The weight of the evidence is also compatible with well established observations and limits.

REALITY CHECK #1: which of the following is a scientific statement, and which one is not a scientific statement?

1. Green plants will grow towards a light source.
2. Walking under a ladder will cause bad luck.
Using the idea of "Consistency", how can we determine which statement above is a scientific one?
2. Observability: The event under study, or evidence of the occurrence of the event, can be observed and explained. The observations are limited to the basic human senses or to extensions of the senses by such things as electron microscopes, Geiger counters, etc. If the phenomenon cannot be reproduced through controlled conditions, natural evidence of the event's occurrence must be available for investigation.

REALITY CHECK #2: which of the following is a scientific statement, and which one is not a scientific statement?

1. Some plants eat meat.
2. Extraterrestrial beings have visited Earth.
Using the idea of "Observability", how can we assess which statement above is a scientific one?
3. Natural: A natural cause (mechanism) must be used to explain why or how the naturally occurring event happens. Scientists may not use supernatural explanations as to why or how naturally occurring events happen because reference to the supernatural is outside of the realm of science. Scientists cannot conduct controlled experiments in which they have designed the intervention of a supreme being into the test.

REALITY CHECK #3: which of the following is a scientific statement, and which one is not a scientific statement?

1. Green plants convert sunlight into energy.
2. With a rod, Moses parted the sea so his people could cross to the other side..
Using the idea of "Natural", how can we determine which statement above is a scientific one?
4. Predictability: The natural cause (mechanism) of the naturally occurring event can be used to make specific predictions. Each prediction can be tested to determine if the prediction is true or false.

REALITY CHECK #4: which of the following is a scientific statement, and which one is not a scientific statement?

1. Without sunlight (or comparable artificial light), green plants will die.
2. If you are a "Scorpio", your horoscope for today is "You'll be saying 'I feel rich !' Lunar position highlights back pay, refunds, correction of accounting error."
Using the idea of "Predictability", how can we determine which statement above is a scientific one?
5. Testability: The natural cause (mechanism) of the naturally occurring event must be testable through the processes of science, controlled experimentation being essential. Reference to supernatural events or causes are not relevant tests.

REALITY CHECK #5: which of the following is a scientific statement, and which one is not a scientific statement?

1. The Bermuda Triangle causes ships and planes to sink and disappear.
2. Life comes from life and cannot come from non-life.
Using the idea of "Testability", how can we determine which statement above is a scientific one?
6. Tentativeness: Scientific theories are subject to revision and correction, even to the point of the theory being proven wrong. Scientific theories have been modified and will continue to be modified to consistently explain observations of naturally occurring events.

REALITY CHECK #6: which of the following is a scientific statement, and which one is not a scientific statement?

1. The number of human chromosomes was once "known" to be 48, but is now considered to be 46.
2. Living things were once grouped into 2 major groups, then 3, then 4, and now 5, because the criteria used for classifying living things have changed.
3. We know that the world began about 6000 years ago, and nothing will change that.
4. At one time, it was thought the heart pumped blood out of a large container as an "open system", but now it is known that blood "circulates" in a closed system.
Using the idea of "Tentativeness", how can we assess which statement above is a scientific one?

To evaluate QWC and compare it to Emerging Science I followed the CONPTT approach.

First the C in CONPTT, Consistency: The results of repeated observations and/or experiments concerning a naturally occurring event (phenomenon) are reasonably the same when performed and repeated by competent investigators. The event is also free from self-contradiction: it is consistent in its applications. The weight of the evidence is also compatible with well established observations and limits.

QWC is based on a wide variety of observations that are consistently repeatable, naturally occurring and well documented. Expansion of our observable universe as observed repeatedly by observation of the separation of galaxies moving away form us in all directions. The equivalence of mass and energy, e = mc^2, which is observed and confirmed as to its consistency. The permanence of energy in that it cannot be created or destroyed which is a basic in our understanding of nature. Increasing entropy of useful energy in a closed system which is also a basic consistent aspect of nature; open systems can defeat entropy by renewing the supply of useful energy. The arena process that renews useful energy by converting mass and gravity back into useful energy is predicted to be ongoing in QWC because arenas, if they exist, would part of an open system.

The consistency test disqualifies observations that continually have differing or unpredictable results. Predicted mechanisms to explain observations and that are predicted to be consistent when tested are not disqualified. They can change the classification of the predicted mechanisms from science to protoscience until the predicted mechanisms can be tested and confirmed to be consistently repeatable. QWC is not classified as proved science but is not disqualified as protoscience even though it makes predictions of consistency that cannot be tested.

For example, QWC includes aspects that are predicted to be consistent but that are not observed and not directly testable based on existing technology. The existence of an energy background to the universe is one example. The existence of the force called quantum action cannot be proved yet because of our limited ability to observe the elemental particles of the Standard Particle Model closely enough to prove that they are composed of energy quanta as predicted by QWC. The existence of energy density fluctuations of the background energy caused by quantum action, and existence of the spherical quantum waves generated by quantum action cannot be observed. The existence of the Arena Landscape of the greater universe cannot be observed because according to QWC we are within a single expanding arena and our technology doesn’t allow observations beyond the most distant known galaxies. There is no direct evidence of the formation of big crunches from the galactic remnants of a history of arenas like ours that QWC predicts form in the greater universe as those remnants merge from various directions. There is no evidence that a big crunch is limited by “critical capacity” and bursts into an expanding arena of high energy density as a result. There is no evidence that quantum action can be locked in the core of a big crunch or that locked quantum action causes mass to stop functioning and stops gravity being emitted from that mass. There is no evidence that matter can form from high energy density as the density declines to the matter formation threshold. There is no evidence that matter that might form below that threshold could acquire the same characteristics as the particles in the Standard Particle Model. There is no evidence that galactic structure would form from such particles or that the galaxies would all be moving away from each other throughout the entire expanding arena.

All of these unobservable aspects of QWC are however consistent with existing observations in nature and consistent with each other. There are no two such aspects of QWC that are not dependent on each other or that are not compatible with each other. All of the aspects mentioned must be true and must work together in order for QWC to be the real cosmology so QWC passes the consistency test as consistently compatible predictions of natural mechanisms.

Next, the O in CONPTT, Observability: The event under study, or evidence of the occurrence of the event, can be observed and explained. The observations are limited to the basic human senses or to extensions of the senses by such things as electron microscopes, Geiger counters, etc. If the phenomenon cannot be reproduced through controlled conditions, natural evidence of the event's occurrence must be available for investigation.

All cosmologies include unobservable aspects if they attempt to fully describe the universe. Each of the aspects of QWC mentioned in the consistency section above that are unobservable fall in the category of phenomenon that cannot be reproduced through controlled experiments and therefore rely on natural evidence of the event’s occurrence.

The existence of an energy background to the universe is one example. We observe that gravity acts between mass and that there must be a medium across which the effect of gravity can be transmitted but we can’t observe the medium. The natural evidence of that medium is the nature of the relationship between mass and gravity which is continually observed in nature.

The existence of the force called quantum action cannot be proved yet because of our limited ability to observe the elemental particles of the Standard Particle Model closely enough to prove that they are composed of energy quanta as predicted by QWC. We observe that mass exists and has many observable properties like kinetic energy for example, but we cannot observe directly the force that causes mass to exist from the combination of elementary particles of which we observe mass to be composed. We know there is a way that nature makes mass exist and QWC predicts that it is quantum action.

The existence of energy density fluctuations of the background energy caused by quantum action, and existence of the spherical quantum waves generated by quantum action cannot be observed. These aspects of QWC are consistent with the way it predicts mass is formed. We cannot observe these waves or the trough/crest spherical wave structure predicted by QWC that would cause mass to exist but we observe mass and know there must be a cause.

The existence of the Arena Landscape of the greater universe cannot be observed because according to QWC we are within a single expanding arena and our technology doesn’t allow observation beyond the most distant known galaxies. There is no direct evidence of the formation of big crunches from the galactic remnants of a history of arenas like ours that QWC predicts form in the greater universe as those remnants merge from various directions. There is no evidence that a big crunch is limited by “critical capacity” and bursts into an expanding arena of high energy density as a result. However these aspects of QWC fall in the category of phenomenon that cannot be reproduced through controlled experiments and therefore rely on natural evidence of the events’ occurrence. The evidence of observed expansion rolls back to an event 13.7 billion years from which expansion emerged. QWC, as any cosmology must, addresses initial events and predicts solutions that would cause the natural observation. QWC predicts that energy cannot be created and therefore the energy in our expanding arena and the energy that initiated the expansion pre-existed. The prediction of the burst of a big crunch is based on this combination of natural observation and basic law of energy conservation. The means of the burst, called “critical capacity of a big crunch”, is consistent with the nature of mass and the energy density thresholds within which mass can function. Are there other possible explanations, yes, but in QWC the burst of a big crunch would be consistent with the observed expansion and the conservation of energy.

There is no evidence that quantum action can be locked in the core of a big crunch or that locked quantum action causes mass to stop functioning and stops gravity being emitted from that mass. Like the other aspects of QWC mentioned above, this aspect also falls in the category of phenomenon that cannot be reproduced through controlled experiments and therefore rely on natural evidence of the events’ occurrence. The implied big crunch and burst that QWC predicts account for the observed expansion must itself have a cause that is consistent with the other aspects of the cosmology. QWC predicts thresholds of energy density within which matter can form and function, and when the upper threshold of energy density is reached, mass ceases to function. The result is consistent with the observations that expansion exists and is consistent with the QWC aspects that explain the cause of that expansion.

There is no evidence that matter can form from high energy density as the density declines to the matter formation threshold. There is no evidence that matter that might form below that threshold could acquire the same characteristics as the particles in the Standard Particle Model. There is no evidence that galactic structure would form from such particles or that the galaxies would all be moving away from each other throughout the entire expanding arena. This group of aspects of QWC is quite similar to the process of nucleosynthesis that is predicted by Big Bang Theory. Nucleosynthesis is a phenomenon that cannot be reproduced through controlled experiments and but that relies on natural evidence of the events’ occurrence. Observations are being made that support nucleosynthesis and future data produces by the LHC will expand the data. Both BBT and QWC will be modified by LHC data as it unfolds.

For these reasons, QWC passes the observation test based on the allowed range of application of the concept of observation.

Next, the N in CONPTT, Natural: A natural cause (mechanism) must be used to explain why or how the naturally occurring event happens. Scientists may not use supernatural explanations as to why or how naturally occurring events happen because reference to the supernatural is outside of the realm of science. Scientists cannot conduct controlled experiments in which they have designed the intervention of a supreme being into the test.

QWC was developed as a cosmology because the standard cosmology did not address the cause of the observed expansion and implies that there was no space or time before the expansion began. QWC sees those conditions would require something from nothing, a violation of the conservation of energy, or the intervention of the supernatural. QWC predicts that the conservation of energy is a natural law that cannot be violated. The intervention of the supernatural is not consistent with science and would cause BBT to fail the “natural” N of the CONPTT definition of science.

QWC passes the Natural test.

Next, the P in CONPTT, Predictability: The natural cause (mechanism) of the naturally occurring event can be used to make specific predictions. Each prediction can be tested to determine if the prediction is true or false.

Predictability and testing are well established in the scientific method. As mentioned above, many predictions of QWC are not testable. However, each aspect of QWC does pass the Natural test within the acceptable meaning of “natural” in the CONPTT definition of science and so the natural causes and mechanisms included in QWC can be used to make specific predictions.

There are categories of science that don’t completely pass the CONPTT approach. There is Non-Science which covers religious beliefs, philosophy, personal opinions or attitudes, a sense of esthetics, or ethics, False Science described as Pseudoscience, and Emerging Science described as Pre-science.

QWC pass the predictability test which is intended to disqualify areas that do not now and will not normally be testable, not because of the limitations of technology, but because they are belief systems. Though QWC is not yet testable, its predictions do not fall into the category of belief systems. There is no reason to believe that future technological developments will not be able to detect quantum action, quantum waves, the energy background that transmits them, and the predicted thresholds of energy density which control them, i.e. the primary aspects of QWC that are not currently testable.

Next, the first T in CONPTT, Testability: The natural cause (mechanism) of the naturally occurring event must be testable through the processes of science, controlled experimentation being essential. Reference to supernatural events or causes are not relevant tests.

QWC does not pass the Testability test of the CONPTT approach. This does not mean that QWC does not qualify as science. The Testability test is defined to disqualify reference to supernatural events or causes, and other causes and mechanism for which there is no existing means of testing. The failure of QWC in this category demotes it into Pre-science because though not current technology can be used to test it, it is likely that future technology will be developed that can test it. If the LHC fails to confirm the Higgs mechanism, then the direction of science technology might be refocused on finding a unifying force, i.e. quantum action.

Next, the second T in CONPTT, Tentativeness: Scientific theories are subject to revision and correction, even to the point of the theory being proven wrong. Scientific theories have been modified and will continue to be modified to consistently explain observations of naturally occurring events.

Any aspect of QWC that is tested successfully must be considered tentative and there is no reason for them not to be tentative within this use of the word. Non-tentative results are described as irrefutable, for example, “We know that the universe began about 13.7 billion years ago, and nothing will change that.”

Based on the CONPTT approach, I find that QWC qualifies as Emerging Science, referred to as Protoscience as opposed to Non-Science which is referred to as Pseudoscience when analyzed by the CONPTT approach.

[quantum_wave]

As I develop QWC as protoscience, I want to refer to these posts in two other threads:

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2016795&postcount=283
Perhaps more importantly, what circumstances could possibly influence so many people to shrug off conservation of momentum?

Newton's laws of motion account for how energy in moving mass is useful energy. Energy cannot be used without force and resistance, and that requires motion in the first place.

A universe that has always existed would have both energy and motion at all times.

In a universe that has always existed, there must exist a means to reverse entropy. If there was no means to reverse entropy, over infinite time past all useful energy would be used and complete entropy would have prevailed long ago.

But to use the requirement of reverse entropy as evidence for a beginning (something from nothing) is saying that there is no way that our universe can cause reverse entropy and so there must have been a beginning. That has no more validity than using the fact that reverse entropy is required to explain why entropy has not become complete in a universe that has always existed. The difference is in whether it is possible for reverse entropy to be a part of how the universe actually works.

But taken together, the perpetual existence of both energy and momentum as characteristics of a universe that has always existed, and that can defeat entropy. has the high ground. It doesn't require something from nothing; it only requires that the universe has a mechanism that can reverse entropy.

When I weigh the two, I can easily describe how entropy can be reversed but I can only invoke the supernatural to get something from nothing. I say that the cosmology that includes a mechanism for reversing entropy is more like science than it is like the supernatural.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2016291&postcount=35
“ Originally Posted by Captain Kremmen
If Time is a continuum, and therefore itself a dimension, then from a higher dimension all past and future can be seen.
If time is not a dimension itself, and time is only "now" in every dimension, then all dimensions only exist in that "now". That would make past and future mental constructs.

I suspect that that is the case. ”
Me too.

But time is interesting to think about isn't it? If time is not a dimension, a position that is hard to prove in the negative, then like you say all dimensions are in that same now.

All dimensions, if time is not one, are Euclidean space unless you are into String Theory or some hyper physics ideas. So let's say that we have three dimensions, all in the same "now" everywhere. But from our own reference frame, even though "now" is the same here and in a distant galaxy, the finite speed of light disconnects us from other locations in our frame of reference. "Now" is the same in both places, but there can be no instant communication due to the finite speed of light.

Also, a conflict with the "now" being the same everywhere occurs when we look at identical clocks in two reference frames. The effect of time dilation associated with acceleration and relative motion between frames of reference would give us some pause when considering a universal "now". However, clocks in the same frame of reference always stay synchronized.

Gravitational time dilation, the effect that causes clocks in a stronger gravitational field or potential to run slower, could also be viewed as a conflict to the concept of a universal "now". The thing to remember here is that the reference frame is different because gravity has acceleration potential, and that potential is different at the top of a mountain than it is at sea level.

So I think the concept of a universal now survives both types of time dilations if you compare the clocks from within the same frame of reference, as I understand it.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2016773&postcount=36
I should have said this in the last post:

Using the concept of a universal "now" takes time out of the equation. In the "now" everything is at rest relative to everything else for each and every "now". So Captain, if we consider the past and future as "mental constructs", you must consider any theory that includes time in its equations to be "mental constructs".

It would be taking the concept of a "universal now" too far if we were to say that just because there is really only one universal frame of reference at each "now", that different frames of reference cannot exist.

Our mind enables us to consider relative motion. That means that we can consider more than one now at the same time, i.e. now 1 and now 2 occurring sequentially, and the motion that takes place is thus brought into the equation.

Buy simply considering relative motion we automatically create separate frames of reference for every point that moves relative to every other point during that period between now 1 and now 2, right?

[CheskiChips]

Read classical mechanics and standard thermodynamics before you delve into string theory.

[quantum_wave]

Read classical mechanics and standard thermodynamics before you delve into string theory.I think I have a handle on that.

What makes you think I don't?

And why do you say I am delving into string theory?

[CheskiChips]

I think I have a handle on that.

What makes you think I don't?

And why do you say I am delving into string theory?


As suggested and to find out where Fred Allen Wolf was coming from, I read Parallel Universes. It is quite interesting if you want a good view of where the science of quantum mechanics was in the 1990's and how the uncertainty principle can be interpreted.

Wolf interprets it to imply that if we can't know both the location and momentum of a particle then it has a probability of being anywhere, even "other worlds". He goes on to infer that other worlds are parallel universes and hence the premise of his book.

Quantum Wave Cosmology recognizes other arenas within the greater infinite universe but not because of the uncertainty principle. Other arenas exist because they are finite entities within an infinite universe and each arena is playing out in a consistent and similar fashion.

Arenas form from the remnants of other arenas that have played out.

Gravity causes big crunches to form from the remnants of prior arenas. The big crunches burst into finite expanding "universes" like our arena as a result of the physics of quantum action and containment. Quantum action and containment taken to their max under the pressure at the core of the big crunch activates the physical effect called critical capacity which marks the point where mass ceases to exert gravity. It is then no longer mass; it is contained (potential) energy locked in the core of the big crunch.


Look; some of the things you're talking about have proper terminology and they're good ideas. Expressing it mathematically might help.

All this "other worlds" crap is fictional mathematical-physics gumbo.

[quantum_wave]

Look; some of the things you're talking about have proper terminology and they're good ideas. Expressing it mathematically might help.

All this "other worlds" crap is fictional mathematical-physics gumbo.As you said, you are a "stark kind of a guy".

Multiverses as Wolf talks about them is fictional mathematical-physics gumbo; I can agree.

But multiple arenas in QWC is protoscience because it has all of the requirements to be called protoscience and does not fail the tests that would make it non-science. It is consistent with observations, it doesn't invoke the supernatural, and like all protoscience it has ideas that meet the requirements but that cannot be tested with existing technology.

Maybe some of the ideas in QWC will become falsifiable and some may not, but protoscience allows for that.

[quantum_wave]

Here is a post that I want to refer to as part of Quantum Wave Cosmology. It focuses on quantum action mechanics:

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2023848&postcount=24
The cosmological consensus called the standard cosmology primarily consists of Big Bang Theory with Inflation (BBT). BBT includes General Relativity and the Cosmological Principle. In that context, space and time are coupled and existed immediately after the initial event from which expansion of the universe began. A period of exponential expansion occurred after which the matter and energy that we call our expanding observable universe followed a course of nucleosynthesis to form matter as we know it and from which galactic structure and larger scale structure took shape. As expansion proceeds, space is added to the universe and the galaxies for the most part separate from each other in the same way no matter which way you look and no matter where you are looking from within the universal co-moving coordinate system.

Much of the standard cosmology is theory and according to the scientific method, even the best established theories have a characteristic called tentativeness. That means that as science progresses, any pillar of cosmology can be torn down if new observations or evidence demands change.

In the OP the aether was mentioned. It was a theory that failed the test. But some say though that mass and the aether are connected in such a way the mass drags the aether and so the tests were unable to detect it.

It was mentioned that space is simply where things happen, or that it is energy, or that it is filled with energy, or that it is a vacuum, or it is filled with the vacuum energy density of the cosmological constant, or this or that. It was mention that we just don't know, and it was said that people should speak for themselves.

So I will.

Space is potentially infinite. Space has always existed and is filled with energy, there are no voids. The energy that fills space has energy density at all points in space. The energy density is constantly fluctuating at all points in space. Energy density fluctuations have always been going on in all space.

There has always been so much energy in space that matter is forced to take shape from the energy density fluctuations and so matter has always existed. Matter forms from energy in quantum increments.

The quantum increments are the result of quantum waves that converge and the convergences focus energy into high density spots. When a high density spot equals a quantum of energy it forms a new spherically expanding quantum wave in a process called quantum action. Quantum action is the force that takes place at the most infinitesimal level in the tiniest meaningful amount of space.

Multiple spherically expanding quantum waves continually overlap, forcing energy into convergences at their intersections as the overlaps occur, and new spherically expanding quantum waves are continually generated by that process. The energy density in the particular energy environment determines the frequency of quantum action.

The background energy and the continual quantum waves that traverse the energy background make up the aether. When the energy density in a given space is high enough, the occurrence of quantum action (frequency) and the formation of quantum waves from quantum action will cause matter to stand out from the background.

Mass contains energy in quantum increments and each of those increments is characterized by a rapid and continuous succession of quantum action within mass for each quantum of energy composing the mass. This continuous quantum action forms a continuous sequence of high density spots that gives mass its "mass", and each spot bursts into a quantum wave that converges with other waves in mass and forms new high density spots to maintain the mass. A portion of each wave passes out of the mass and causes gravity but that is another thread .

In this way, matter forms in space from the energy background and occupies space within the background.

Spherical expansion: Spherical expansion is characterized by co-moving spherical coordinates as the radius increases, just like the volume of the space occupied by a balloon expands when you blow it up.

Energy waves: When energy is in the process of expanding spherically, it is an energy wave. An energy wave is an expanding sphere of energy.

Consistent energy content: When an energy wave expands the energy is distributed consistently so that the energy density at each coordinate point in the sphere is the same, and as expansion progresses and energy density declines it declines equally at all points throughout the sphere; the energy density is said to remain equalized across the volume as it increases.

Equal energy content: A quantum of energy is defined as the smallest energy increment that can participate in the formation of matter. Each quantum wave contains a quantum of energy and all quantum waves therefore are of equal energy content.

Overlapping waves: Spherically expanding energy waves intersect and the intersection forms what are called 3-D lens shaped intersections. Geometrically, there are two spherical caps per intersection, and the number of surfaces of each 3-D lens equals the number of spheres intersecting to form the convergence.

Convergence: This is a 3-D space confined within spherical surfaces where the number of surfaces is equal to the number of spheres intersecting to form the 3-D space. The volume of the convergence space relative to the sum of the volumes of space of all of the intersecting spheres is diminished by each additional sphere that becomes involved by intersecting with the convergence space (complicated so don't worry about it). When a convergence contains a quantum of energy it bursts into expansion of its own forming a new spherically expanding quantum energy wave.

Quantum of energy: This is the tiniest amount of energy that is useful. It is the amount of energy involved in quantum action and that is contained in each quantum wave. It is the minimum amount of energy that can stand out from the background aether.

That is space and what is going on in it IMHO.

[quantum_wave]

Here is another post I like from another thread that should be included as part of QWC. It discusses the "dense" state of energy and the premise that matter forms from energy that emerges from big crunches in the "dense" state:

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2026658&postcount=68

“ Originally Posted by kaneda
Quantum Wave. I thought of matter being energy some years ago but matter is "stable" and on an atomic scale, in motion so that instead of a "solid particle", you'd have an average position where the particle seemed to be though it was in many very close to that places. It seemed unlikely so I put it on a back burner. ”

It is on the front burner for me. True, particles have a kind of stability and unpredictability that seems to defy their composition as energy.

Here is how I think the two view work together:

Matter exists because the particles are stable and important combinations of particles have electromagnetic characteristics which serve to keep them apart and cause them to work together instead of individually or instead of merging into single particles.

Particles are separate and stable in most ranges of energy density and can display their mass, gravity and charge.

Only under extreme compression does the energy density get too high, and when it gets too high particles can no longer function separately.

At that high energy density, particles not only cease to perform the mass and gravity function, but also they cease to move separately and the charge characteristics are lost because charge requires the particles to have different momentum relative to each other.

The result is that IMHO matter cannot function in the core of a big crunch.

The mass/gravity function and the electromagnetic components of photon energy emerges from the mass gravity function. IMHO here is how:

Mass that goes into a big crunch is converted to the "dense" state of energy, i.e. too dense to be considered mass because mass/gravity doesn't work in the dense state. Gravity fails and the big crunch subsequently fails, releasing energy in its dense state, compressed to the maximum energy density possible at the moment of release.

The onset of the dense state requires a particular extremely high energy density that can only be achieved when the equivalent of a whole arena of matter and energy enters the big crunch. This is a tiny amount of the total matter/energy of the greater universe, but it is equal to the total matter/energy of our observable expanding universe (an arena) all crunched up into the dense state of energy inside the big crunch.

Now here is the important premise in regard to how matter can be stable particles throughout a wide range of energy densities and yet fail as matter/energy crosses the threshold into the dense state. Matter always forms from energy that has been compressed into the dense state. Matter does not form from energy that has expanded to the equilibrium state of energy (de Sitter space if you think in those terms). Gravity does not allow matter to expand to equilibrium because the average energy density of the universe is too high to allow expansion to continue until the equilibrium state is achieved. The high average energy density of the greater universe assures the eventual merging and mingling of galactic remnants formed in separate arenas during expansion from the dense state. So dense state energy expands, matter forms and exists until it is captured in the core of a subsequent big crunch.

To the point, matter always forms during the declining energy density of the dense state. When matter forms, the energy density is so high still that the first matter to form is so close together that the gravity that begins when mass forms is strong enough to make adjacent initial energy quanta to have individual momentum relative to every adjacent quanta.

The quanta are not fixed particles but are convergences of high energy density spots within the expanding dense state energy. The spot is very temporary and very instantaneous but there is momentum created during the instant that the high density spot exists. The momentum causes the energy that occupied the temporary instantaneous high density spot to move toward its nearest adjacent neighboring quanta which is just as instantaneous and temporary.

The two patches of energy from the high density spots have themselves expanded and where they overlap a new high density spot forms in the space that was between them when they were individual high density spots.

The new spot has some energy from each of the former spots and the focus of the new high density spot is between the two former spots. This process is called quantum action.

Quantum action typifies the entire energy environment as the energy from the dense state emerges from the big crunch. Quanta clump together, form new quanta, and the individual quanta always stay in quantum increments but group into swirling masses of individual quanta that begin working together as a particle. Particles interact as a result of their own gravity and momentum and move in patterned ways relative to each other. Charge develops from the relative motion as energy differentials grow to physical limits determined by the amount of space available and the momentum and synchronization of the particles as they form. Formed particles lock in their own space and become stable.

Expansion is rapid at this time because of the huge simultaneous release of the potential energy forced into the dense state inside the big crunch. The clumping slows as particles lock in their own space but gravity still overcomes expansion and clumping of particles continues throughout the formation of stars and galaxies. Finally expansion over rules gravity and the galaxies all move away from each other as they move toward their future rendezvous in the greater universe.

I hope you can get a glimpse of how things would progress as matter forms from energy released in its dense state from a big crunch because I have already taken up too much space in your thread for one post.

[Saxion]

That's a lot of reading :(

But good i AM sure :)

[quantum_wave]

Saxion, the most important key to Quantum Wave Cosmology is the first (http://ftexploring.com/energy/first-law.html) and second (http://ftexploring.com/energy/2nd_Law.html) laws of thermodynamics and the concept of energy density thresholds (http://en.scientificcommons.org/18707540).

Sorry about the specific focus of "thresholds" link but just remember, energy density has ranges within which matter can function, and beyond which matter cannot function. The universe is capable of producing energy environments that carry matter across that threshold. The matter is converted to energy in the "dense" state. One characteristic of energy in the dense state is that it is potential energy. If allowed to expand, matter forms from it but it is newly formed matter, not just the old matter with space returned to it. It takes a big crunch to create the energy in the dense state.

Matter has to establish it own space as it forms after the dense state threshold is reached, i.e. protons cannot be created directly from potential energy of the dense state simply by adding space (not like instant coffee just needs hot water :)).

Energy quanta need to establish enough space to cause quantum action, quantum action needs to establish mass and gravity, gravity needs to establish momentum between newly formed quanta, momentum between quanta needs to become well established into particle sized patches of energy density, i.e. proto particles, and proto particles need to become synchronized and limited in relative motions within limited space as expansion proceeds in order to from charged particles, charged particles are required for photon emissions which carry energy across space, heat requires electromagnetic or thermal radiation, etc.

You won't understand QWC if you don't use those keys. There is math but it is relatively simple math related to spheres, force, motion, acceleration, expansion, magnatism, electricity, energy density, etc. Math is not the big hurdle that it is in string theory for example. No added dimentions or coupled spacetime (3,1), no quantum foam, or folded space time manifolds (http://books.google.com/books?id=y-i6KYlL2-0C&pg=PA187&lpg=PA187&dq=folded+space+time+manifolds&source=web&ots=LEiZ-EeEOX&sig=3Ma7g4VCTqaID2mq2O6GRzh7ukA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA188,M1) :), just the easy classical physics math IHMO.

[CheskiChips]

Burn this thread down!

[quantum_wave]

Burn this thread down!Try reason. That is the best way to overcome those things that you "know" are just wrong. Hand waving and thread burning won't work. Start with something in the thread, show how is wrong or how it can't be right.

"When the sphere translates, so does the plane. Raising the sphere gives dilation. Spin the sphere like a top, and the plane rotates. Rotation about a horizontal axis corresponds to inversion. Even the most complicated Moebius transformations (http://www.gogeometry.com/geometric_art/geometry_moebius_transformations.htm) are revealed to be simple motions of the sphere. " D. Arnold and J. Rogness.

Do you like Escher (http://www.gogeometry.com/escher/index.html)? Watch this (http://www.gogeometry.com/escher/escher_relativity_1.html) for a few minutes before you burn this thread :).

I kinda like this (http://www.gogeometry.com/wonder_world/golden_rectangle_stonehenge.html) one.

[Harro]

Burn Cheskichips the unbeliever.

No seriously please dont derail this thread , I enjoy Quantum Wave's theories on QWC.
Keep up the good work Quantum Wave.

[quantum_wave]

Burn Cheskichips the unbeliever.

No seriously please don't derail this thread , I enjoy Quantum Wave's theories on QWC.
Keep up the good work Quantum Wave.Why thank you Harro :o.

Cosmology says what the cosmologist thinks the universe is. A very elegant solution to the nature of the universe is conveyed to you in Quantum Wave Cosmology. The elegance lies in the proposed nature of the infinitesimal force of quantum action and the nearly unimaginable force displayed by the burst of a big crunch. The two events represent the tiniest and the largest meaningful events in the cosmos and together they represent the lower and higher levels of order that characterize the greater universe. These two events have striking similarities in spite of being at opposite ends of the size scale of meaningful events. This similarity allows us to combine what we understand about each end of the scale to help better understand what might be going on at the opposite end of the scale and in between. Quantum action at the infinitesimal level of order differs from the burst of a big crunch at the macro level in terms of the scale of the two events, but otherwise the similarities are notable.

Quantum Wave Cosmology speaks about my view of the history, the landscape, the mechanisms, the thresholds and limits of the greater universe.

The history of the universe is best characterized by saying that it has always existed, it has always been homogeneous and isotropic, and it is constantly changing and yet always looks essentially the same on a grand scale. It is filled with arenas like our expanding observable arena which are common but temporary energy density fluctuations that are always occurring naturally and similarly throughout endless space.

The landscape of our observable finite arena is currently one of expansion; it expands into the infinite greater universe as its high energy density equalizes with the lower average energy density of that greater universe. As it expands matter forms within it from energy in the “dense” state, i.e. a large but finite volume of high energy density released from the core of a big crunch. Mass, particles, stars and galaxies form during expansion and are released with momentum into the greater universe when equalization is complete. In my view the process of big crunch formation and the expansion of the energy released from them could span trillions of years from start to finish.

The landscape of the greater universe is filled with a potentially infinite number of arenas like our own in various stages of formation and expansion. The formation of arenas occurs when the galactic remnants of an endless history of arenas mix and merge. Gravity is the stronger force once expansion has played out, and the influence of gravity overcomes the momentum of the galactic remnants causing them to collapse and form big crunches. All big crunches reach a finite limit of energy density and burst into expansion, form galaxies, and eventually expand and play out as their energy density equalizes with that of the greater universe.

There are many mechanisms that are characteristic of each arena and various thresholds and energy density limits that orchestrate and control the homogeneity of the greater universe. The most pervasive mechanism is the aether, an energy background that fills all space and leaves no voids. This is the medium across which gravity and electromagnetic radiation are transmitted at the speed of light.

All points in the aether have energy density, and there is a maximum and minimum threshold of energy density that allow for a wide range in which matter can exist and function. There is an energy density threshold above which matter cannot function and that is at the core of a big crunch. Mass and gravity function simultaneously and when matter cannot function at the core of a big crunch, gravity ceases to function as well. The failure of gravity causes the failure of the containment of energy within the big crunch and a finite ball of the highest possible energy density is released by the burst of each big crunch into an expansion phase.

Energy quantization, quantum action, quantum waves, formation of mass in quantum increments, gravity waves emitted by mass, the formation of particles, the emergence of electrical charge among particles, the emission of electromagnetic radiation, the conservation of expansion momentum, the formation of stars and galaxies, the momentum of galaxies, and the equalization of energy density with the energy density of the greater universe are all characteristics of the expansion phase of an arena.

Out in the greater universe the mixing and merging of galactic remnants from a history of completed arenas is always occurring. The collapse of this mix of galactic remnants into big crunches, and the bursts of big crunches into expanding balls of high energy density rounds out the arena process.

In my opinion the aspects of Quantum Wave Cosmology are consistent with current observations and together all of the aspects of QWC go further to describe the universe in understandable language than the currently accepted standard cosmology. Big Bang theory doesn’t address the history, the cause of expansion, the cause of mass, the causes of gravity, or the landscape of the greater universe beyond our expanding observable arena.

That is why I bring you Quantum Wave Cosmology to describe the infinite spongy universe.

[quantum_wave]

Oblivion is avoided
… A very elegant solution to the nature of the universe is conveyed to you in Quantum Wave Cosmology. The elegance lies in the proposed nature of the infinitesimal force of quantum action and the nearly unimaginable force displayed by the burst of a big crunch. The two events represent the tiniest and the largest meaningful events in the cosmos and together they represent the lower and higher levels of order that characterize the greater universe. These two events have striking similarities … [that] allow us to combine what we understand about each end of the scale to help better understand … the opposite end of the scale … . Quantum action at the infinitesimal level of order differs from the burst of a big crunch at the macro level in terms of the scale of the two events, but otherwise the similarities are notable.

I haven’t made my point have I?

Useful energy is useful because it is capable of exerting a force that causes something to happen that we often refer to as work.

If there is one fundamental force in the universe, all force that is exerted can be traced back to the fundamental force.

In QWC:

Quantum action is that force and it causes mass and concentrates energy density into mass

Quantum action within mass causes gravity to be emanated from mass as quantum waves

Gravity causes momentum and particles that form during expansion have initial separation momentum

Mass, gravity and momentum orchestrate particle formation and both motion of particles and relative momentum between particles works to cause electrical charges that help orchestrate the storage and transfer of energy

Electromagnetic radiation and absorption is a means of energy transfer between particles

Gravity, momentum and electromagnetic radiation contribute to the formation of stars

As stars group into galaxies, the momentum of the particles is conserved and the relative motion of galaxies reflects that separation momentum

All of the matter in the stars and galaxies is composed of energy quanta and quantum action is continually occurring within all mass

Whenever quantum action is occurring in mass, mass has and exerts gravity

Expansion momentum gets stronger than gravity as the distance between galaxies increases and the galaxies spread out into the greater universe

In Big Bang Theory this is called a Big Rip and marks the point of no return for the recapture of energy that has now been spent to form and move galaxies into this eternal expansion

In BBT complete entropy ensues and the result is called the Heat Death of the universe

In QWC that Big Rip is avoided because the arena that sends its galaxies into Big Rip oblivion is only one of a potentially infinite number of similar arenas

Oblivion is avoided:

In the greater universe the expanding energy density of arenas is equalized with the energy density of other completed arenas in an environment with winding and circling corridors of energy density continuity, i.e. the equalized background energy density of the greater universe

Galactic remnants, still full of quantum action and still emanating quantum waves of gravity, mix and mingle in those corridors to form swirling and mixing arenas

Gravity is back in charge of the relative motion of mass and the expansion momentum of galaxies is reduced while the gravitational attraction between them increases in their newly forming arenas

New big crunches form from the galactic remnants

The energy density in newly forming arenas begins to increase relative to the equalized energy density of the greater universe

As each big crunch develops its internal continuity a core of growing energy density forms

The energy density in this core rises exponentially as the big crunch grows

There is a threshold where the limit of energy density that can host matter is crossed and matter can no longer function

The force of quantum action requires a particular relationship between energy quanta and the aether (energy background of the universe)

When the energy density in the core of a big crunch crosses the threshold where matter cannot function that means that the required relationship between energy quanta and aether space has been crossed and there isn’t enough aether space within the mass to allow quantum action to take place

The energy that was working within mass is now compressed by the extreme gravitational force of the big crunch to the point that the energy is locked due to lack of sufficient space to properly function

Locked energy is energy that was negated from mass and converted to energy in the dense state

Energy in the dense state is potentially useful energy but it requires additional aether space to be useful again

The exponential growth of the volume of the locked core spells the defeat of the ability of the big crunch to maintain the gravitational compression of the core

The big crunch bursts and the locked core is bathed with aether space as it begins the arena expansion phase

Quantum action soon begins

Quantum action is the fundamental force and it causes mass and converts energy from the dense state into mass

As matter forms it is has gravity which is emitted from mass in the form of quantum waves that occur when quantum action is functioning

The process of arena mechanics described here is how the Big Rip is avoided and how Quantum Wave Cosmology can work perpetually

I see the greater universe and the formation and disbursal of big crunches to be notably similar to the overlapping of quantum waves which form high density spots as the waves converge

A high density spot at the quantum level would equate to the formation of a big crunch at the arena level

That is why I call QWC elegant.

[quantum_wave]

In QWC matter formed during the expansion of our arena and after the expansion began as opposed to existing from the very start.

There is a big difference between energy in the dense state of QWC vs. all matter within a zero volume infinitely dense point space of General Relativity. I know that some of you are thinking that GR does not say there was such a infinitely dense point space but you are not able to say what other options are available in the General Theory of Relativity because there are no options actually mentioned. We have to decide what GR implies about t=o since it starts at approximately t=10^-47 at which time the universe was measured in the Planck regime.

The Higgs boson and the Higgs field exist only at extremely high energy density. In BBT it emerges from the infinitely dense point space and exists momentarily during the very early expansion within the first second and then is gone. It leaves behind the constituents of all matter in the observable universe that emerge from the Higgs field. Matter as we know it with the fundamental particles of standard particle theory, with charged particles, with absorption and emission of electromagnetic radiation, with various forces and force carriers followed in a process called Big Bang Nucleosynthesis. Once nucleosynthesis had progressed sufficiently, photons that existed from the hot high radiation at the beginning could be absorbed and re-emitted by electrons. This event in the BBT time-line marks the formation of the CMBR. This background radiation is a remnant of that thermalized black body energy environment that was the universe itself at the point in time when matter “lighted up”.

In QWC the energy in the dense state forced its way out of the core of a big crunch by reducing the matter and gravity to potential energy and by overcoming the force of gravity that enabled the crunch to form. Energy in the dense state expanded spherically into space that had always existed and that was filled with the low energy density characteristic of the greater universe. In other words, the big crunch was surrounded by the greater universe. The CMBR that we observe in all directions is the natural state of the surrounding energy density within which the big burst occurred and didn’t need to be generated solely from within the expanding dense state energy.

As the energy in the dense state expanded, sufficient space was encompassed from the surrounding greater universe to allow energy quanta to form from the dense state energy. QWC nucleosynthesis is a sequence of events that starts with energy too dense to allow matter or gravity to exist within it. As aether space is merged with the expanding energy, quantum action begins. Quantum action at that early stage creates a field of energy that contains energy quanta. This field is composed of aether space from outside the big crunch and dense energy that emerged from the big crunch and began to expand.

QWC has the high ground at this point because the big crunch and the emergent dense state energy had physical dimensions sufficient to account for the subsequent formation of all the matter known in our expanding universe, including dark matter. It doesn’t have to ignore the question of an initial state or the question of what caused the expansion or how matter could exist at all without space, and doesn’t need the complicated theory of nucleosynthesis that has to casually connect matter and energy as we see it now to both the Higgs field and the CMBR.

QWC 101 as presented describes an overview of the mechanics of the universe. Advanced QWC addresses the development of consciousness and the importance of the quantum realm to life and consciousness. I would like to have a few people interested in the QWC 101 mechanics of the physical universe before moving to advanced QWC.

Does anybody understand QWC vs. BBT and GR? Is anyone out there who can think in terms of QWC? Does anybody want to discuss it beyond the normal hand waving and conventional wisdom against it? Is anyone willing to acknowledge that it is protoscience? Does anyone have any questions about QWC as presented so far? This is protoscience not pseudoscience and you are allowed to discuss it without a tinfoil hat :).

[quantum_wave]

I had a chance in this thread (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=86550) to discuss the cause of mass and gravity with a second year Astrophysics major. This thread should include those posts because we got into more detail.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2047925&postcount=14
First you have to know what causes mass. Without speculating, no one has the answer.

Pause ... someone will challenge that statement ...?

OK, let's say mass is composed of energy in quantum increments. What is a quantum of energy? A quantum is the tiniest natural increment of energy that can have a meaningful impact, i.e. a quantum of energy is necessary to affect mass.

The mass of a particle is maintained by a force. That force corresponds with the quantum of energy. The force would be quantum action, i.e. the process of establishing the presence of a quantum of energy in mass. In order for mass to continue to exist, quantum action must be continuous within mass.

So your idea of gravity being a little part of mass is right on target.

Gravity is emitted by mass as a bi-product of quantum action that maintains mass. Quantum action in mass produces quantum waves that have a trough and a peak. The trough is negative energy and the peak is positive energy. As those waves pass through mass, some of the positive energy of the wave is used to maintain the mass, while all of the negative energy passes out of mass as gravity. The greater the mass of the object, the more of the positive energy is contained to maintain mass and the greater the differential between the emitted negative energy and the emitted positive energy of the quantum waves.

The differential between the trough energy and the peak energy emitted from mass changes as the mass increases. Therefore the greater the mass, the greater the differential between the emanated trough and the emanated peak of the quantum waves. The greater the differential, the greater the gravitation force emitted.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2048327&postcount=16

Beautifully said... and with my idea, i just take it a step further than that. Basically im saying that the through energy takes away from the mass that is being maintained by the peak energy... This would still make the wave equal on both sides, (Peak and Through would still be the same size), its just that the through energy "absorbs", (absorbs is a horrible word here, but oh well), some of the mass making it impossible to find and/or measure with the instruments that we have today.
I have no clue what kind of instruments or experiments that could be done to attempt to prove or disprove my theory... besides, this is just for fun thinking




Thanks, at least i know im on the right track somewhere, even if everyhting else it wrong ... ”

Remember that we are speculating and that if you are a student you would be expected to know current theory. My views are not current theory . I am way ahead .

But if you are thinking about this you are ahead too.

How can the trough of a quantum wave cause gravity? The answer is in the mechanics of quantum action.

The premise is that quantum waves are pervasive in space, all space including space occupied by mass and space between mass. Quantum waves are spherically expanding energy waves. They emanate from a high density spot that forms at the convergence of intersecting quantum waves. The energy contained in the convergence increases as the intersection of quantum waves proceeds as they expand spherically.

As soon as there is a quantum of energy in the convergence we have a "high density spot" formed at that instant in the space where the convergence exists.

At that very instant, the energy density of the spot is much higher than the energy density surrounding the spot. This low energy density is the reason that the quantum wave emanated by quantum action is negative energy. Here is how. The wave begins with the rush of energy surrounding the spot. The energy surrounding the spot rushes into the low energy density surrounding the spot creating a pull of the surrounding universe toward the spot. This pull is the trough of the quantum wave generated by the formation of the high density spot within mass.

The high density spot cannot exist for more than that instant because the quantum waves that intersected (overlapped) to force the convergence continue to expand and the spot of high energy density disburses itself in the form of positive energy which forms the peak of the quantum wave.

Within mass there is continual quantum action and high density spots are forming and bursting at all times within mass. Though the trough of the waves passes out of mass as the entire universe shifts toward the high density spot, the push of the peak of the quantum wave doesn't immediately follow the pull trough. Only the uncontained portion of the peak of the wave follows the trough. As the peak passes through the mass some of its energy is contained in subsequent high density spots and is therefore delayed relative to the trough.

The net energy of a quantum wave emanating from mass is the trough energy minus the peak energy.

If there was no containment of the positive energy, the net energy of the wave would be zero since the trough and the peak both are associated with the same quantum of energy. But since some the peak of the wave is delayed, the net energy emanating from mass becomes negative. Remember that the negative trough pulls the entire universe toward the mass.

The percentage of the peak energy of the quantum wave that is contained is directly related to the gravitation force emanating from the mass. The higher the mass, the higher the containment and the greater the delay of the push portion of the wave. The higher the containment, the greater the net pull force of the wave emanation. The greater the net pull force, the greater gravitational impact of the shift of the universe toward the mass.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2049777&postcount=23


So, your basically saying here that as the "bubbles" converge, or overlap, more and more, the energy increases right?
Is this spot where they overlap, and only where they overlap... or can the high-density spots appear somewhere else??
I have never thought of gravity like this, but this makes perfect sense... the greater the mass, the greater the high density spot, the greater the pull, the greater the gravity ... ”

I can see you are beginning to get it. Let me correct you a little on the above:
The “bubbles” are not called bubbles. They are spherically expanding quantum waves, quantum waves for short and each expanding quantum wave contains a quantum of energy. As they expand spherically they intersect and each intersection is an overlap of spherically expanding quantum waves. Each spherically expanding wave still contains the original quantum of energy as the intersection begins.

They are not bubbles because that implies that as the waves expand spherically, there is an empty interior surrounded by an expanding balloon like surface and that implies that the surface is where the energy is. This is not correct. They expand as moving coordinate systems and the energy density remains distributed equally through the expanding sphere as the radius increases. Therefore as the expansion progresses the energy density of the spherical wave declines, but it declines in an equalized fashion throughout the sphere and is still equal to a quantum of energy. Each point within the sphere always has the same energy density as every other point and the density changes at the same rate throughout the entire expanding sphere.

Now for a discussion of the overlap. Where the quantum waves intersect the overlapping space is the convergence space. Let’s think about what the energy density is in the overlap space and how much of a whole quantum of energy occupies that convergence space. The simplest convergence is two overlapping spheres though in nature each convergence space involves many overlapping spheres. In the simple example the overlap of two intersecting spheres forms a 3-D lens shape. Study these links for some the math of convergences and of Wolfram's intersecting spheres. http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.ph...01&postcount=6
And this link http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Sphere-...ersection.html for how I developed the math.

Do you see that the convergence will contain a percentage of each overlapping sphere and that the energy density in the convergence space will be twice the average energy density of the two contributing spheres? This might take some time; ask questions if you don’t see it.

When the energy content of the overlap equals a quantum of energy, then the convergence becomes a high density spot. As soon as the high density spot forms it begins its own expansion into the lower energy density space that previously was occupied by the intersecting quantum waves from which the convergence formed.

There is one high density spot for each quantum action going on within mass and each quantum action represents one quantum energy increment of that mass. In any respectable mass there will be billions of quanta. The quantum action and quantum waves continually reform new high density spots that burst into new quantum waves. The mass is maintained by the repetitive quantum action within it.
“ So if there was a way to stop the quantum action... then you would basically have mass that didnt have gravity, but there would also be nothing to hold that mass together right??
And the negative is why it pulls other mass objects together, instead of repelling it right?? ”

Yes, that is right and it shows that you are getting a grasp of how mass exists and causes gravity. You are one of a few in the world that has that same understanding of my speculations. I assure you that the knowledge that you will gain from this will stay with you for your entire life. Don’t let this knowledge make you boastful or arrogant because science will not catch up for a long time and you will not be able to do much to bring about the change so do it patiently.
“ so many questions i have, but it will help if i perefctly understand it so i can adjust my theory to fit everything ... or realise that my theory in no way could work what-so-ever, which is probably the case ”

You are learning Quantum Wave Cosmology. Mass has gravity from the instant that mass forms, even if that mass is just a few coordinted quanta. Before you get excited remember that particles with mass also have other characteristics, electrical charges, and electrical and magnetic fields among many other characteristics. Quantum Wave Cosmology is consistent with all of the fundamental particles of the Standard Particle Model but you are far from understanding the knowledge void between QWC and particle physics. Learn what you can about QWC and if you can improve on it just keep me in the loop .

[quantum_wave]

A couple of more posts from Goose's thread:

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2051978&postcount=25
Originally Posted by goose
One question here... Can the quantum waves start off with different energies??... that is to say, can one start off with twice as much quantum energy as another??, or are they all equally starting out the same? or does it depend on the mass?? (so far, my thought is that they are the same, but i want to make sure, and the reason more massive objects are in fact more massive is because there is alot of quantum waves) ”

Your question encompasses the essence of the quantum structure of mass and gravity. I’m not a philosopher but this paragraph will run the risk of being called philosophical. It is self evident that mass exists. If mass and energy are equivalent then nature has a way of accounting for the energy content within mass. And the conservation of energy requires accounting for that exact precise amount of energy with zero tolerance for error. Further, the gravitational force associated with a given object is always directly related to that mass, no margin for error, every object of equal mass will have the same gravitational effect. In QWC that natural accounting for energy in mass, gravity associated with mass, and the equivalence between the mass and energy is accomplished via the energy quantum. Philosophically there is comforting feeling in QWC that there are no fundamental particles, only energy and force. From the QWC perspective the fundamental particles of the standard particle model are predicted to be composed of energy and force and yet in particle physics various fundamental particles and various forces are observed and/or predicted to exist with no explanation of how there can be no internal structure to a fundamental particle, i.e. fundamental particles in particle physics are not composed of energy but there is a force carrier for each particle that manages how particles combine and manage to work within mass. Equivalence gets very complicated in particle physics compared to QWC.

So the simple answer is that a quantum is always the same amount of energy and that amount of energy is determined by nature. It follows that the force associated with that exact amount of energy will always be the same, i.e. the force of quantum action that works with mass and gravity always produces a quantum wave with precisely a quantum of energy in the wave it produces. A lesser amount of energy would not produce quantum action but would just form and fade within the energy background. Remember that in QWC all space contains energy in the form of energy density and the background is always being “jostled” by the quantum waves that traverse it. Once a quantum wave is produced, it expands spherically forever, and as it expands its energy density decreases as its volume increases. This means that the energy background consists of innumerable quantum wave intersections and if you think about it, any given volume of space will contain portions of many different quantum waves in various stages of expansion. This condition is referred to as space being composed of tiny energy density fluctuations.

When the energy density in a given space is high enough, as in and around mass, then the size of the fluctuations can contain a quantum of energy but no more. They can’t contain more than a quantum because nature has determined that once a quantum of energy exists in a given fluctuation, that fluctuation bursts into expansion of its own. That means that a high density spot has formed and the energy in the spot equals a quantum. If the energy density of the environment is not high enough to produce fluctuations that contain a quantum of energy then no high density spots will form and mass will not be able to maintain itself or its precise gravity.

From that statement it follows that the energy density of the background might always be the same across great expanses of space so that when matter moves from one location to another location, the background energy will be able to accommodate it with the proper energy density to allow the mass to be maintained. The topic of the energy density of the background in an expanding universe is very interesting but not exactly on topic.
“ Ok, like a solid shere, where the inside has the same density and the surface... and as it expands, it would have the same effect as going further away from the sun... if you start at point "A", and you go twice as far from the sun, point "B", you have to square the area in order to get the same amount of energy as from distance "A", right? maybe not exactly square, and this is area and i know were talking about volume... but same basic idea ” Yes. Here is a good link. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html and http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...orces/isq.html


Originally Posted by goose
“Of course, the average of two spheres density is them added and devided by 2... and if you put them together in the same spot, you have to do the exact same thing to get the density inside the convergence space... i get that part ...

This parts a little confusing... are you saying that when the energy inside the convergence space equals a certain amount of energy, called the quantum of energy, then it will begin its own expansion? Like the quantum of energy is a set value?
And once it begins its own expansion, it acts just like any other normal quantum wave, just with a much higher density, right? ”

Yes, each spherical quantum wave starts out at the average energy density of the waves that produce it times the number of waves that produce it. The more waves involved in the convergence, the higher the energy density of the high density spot relative to the energy density surrounding the spot if you follow that logic. A high density spot always contains a quantum of energy and any convergence that does not have a full quantum has not yet formed a high density spot and will not produce a quantum wave until it does. Once the convergence has a quantum of energy the spot will "burst" into spherical expansion and the radius will increase at the speed of light.
Originally Posted by goose
“Of course, as i said earlier, im only a sophmore in college... i got a long way to go ... and i will keep you updated if i learn anything, or have my own thoughts, questions, or anything else to do with Quantum Wave Cosmology ”

And I will continue to answer your questions so if you have any about this post send them back.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2054523&postcount=27
Originally Posted by Saxion
Certain waves have differential energies. This is how waves operate, because if they all had the same energies, all the waves in the universe would merge to form only one element. We call these periods the phases of waves, and they converge together to form decoherent states. ”

It is appropriate that you point out particle theory and QWC is consistent. There are various energy levels in photons with electric and magnetic components, transverse waves. There is a wave structure to the fundamental particles of the standard particle model. There are waves where frequency determines their energy. They are like you describe. But they are not quantum waves in the context of the protoscience of Quantum Wave Cosmology that Goose and I have been talking.

Quantum waves responsible for mass and gravity are as I have described them, i.e. ideas about the cause of mass and gravity and the composition of all mass. In QWC, charged particles evolve out of proto-particles when they develop positive and negative charges. They are still mass composed of energy in quantum increments but they acquire stability, charge, spin, etc. in addition to the simple energy quanta that represent the presence of energy in mass and that emanate from mass as gravity waves in QWC.

For example, in QWC, photons carry energy in quantum increments based on the energy level of the electron that emits them. The photon itself has the electrical and magnetic components imparted to them from their charged source. But the source itself must be composed of energy in quantum increments regardless of the type of fundamental particles. The propulsion of the photon at the speed of light is due to quantum action associated with the particles that emit them but at the instant of emission the transverse properties are imparted to them which distinguishes them from gravity waves IMHO.

[quantum_wave]

A fourteen year old, BetrayerOfHope, was wondering about "dark flows" and we exchanged a few posts here (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=86730) in "questions about dark flows".

That thread gave me a good opportunity to show the link in QWC to dark energy and dark matter, as well as give a short but broad QWC overview of particles and of the Arena process, the arena landscape of the greater universe, and GUT right there in the Cosmology forum where I think discussion of QWC belongs. After all, it is protoscience not pseudoscience.

If the mods will permit it, I would like to start a Quantum Wave Cosmology thread over there or have this one moved out of pseudoscience and into the Cosmology forum, preferably the latter.

[quantum_wave]

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If the mods will permit it, I would like to start a Quantum Wave Cosmology thread over there or have this one moved out of pseudoscience and into the Cosmology forum, preferably the latter.Here is the latest post on the new thread. It marks the completion of QWC idea development for the time being, though that is not to say that there won't be additional activity should anyone show any interest.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2087889&postcount=51

The ideas of Quantum Wave Cosmology have been developed in a step by step fashion using the macro and micro limits of current technology as the departure points. That means that at the quantum level in the field of quantum mechanics, particle physicists have developed a standard particle model, and at the macro level there is the standard cosmology which is Big Bang Theory with inflation (BBT). Those are the departure points from which QWC picks up.

The standard particle model identifies particles and forces and quantum mechanics deals with the math that defines how the particles and forces are quantified and interact to form the universe as we see it. The standard cosmology starts at 10^-43 seconds and describes exponential inflation, nucleosynthesis, expansion and accelerating expansion along with the math to explain the nature of spacetime and the effect of gravity.

At neither end of the spectrum of scientific endeavor do we have completion. We don’t know what causes mass or gravity in the quantum world and we don’t know what caused inflation, expansion, or accelerating expansion or where matter and energy originated.

QWC takes little steps from the departure points to encompass ideas that make the most sense. It is a joint effort of all of those who view it and it is those who view it that shape it and help make sense out of it. They have been doing so in various forums for several years. This is not to say that anyone who has contributed to it buys into it. But many by commenting in passing have caused added steps that helped moved the project along. It has moved far enough for me to say that QWC encompasses ideas that satisfactorily complete the cosmology at both ends of the spectrum of scale and it does so within the definition of protoscience.

If we could observe a quantum of energy and the force of quantum action that takes place to cause mass and gravity it would not appear as it really is because of the uncertainty principle. We cannot observe the realty at that level without changing it. But QWC encompasses the idea that mass is composed of energy in quantum increments, there are quantum waves that emerge from high density spots that burst and their energy expands spherically as co-moving coordinate systems until the waves intersect, overlap, form new high density spots, and those spots burst to continue the quantum action perpetually. Mass and gravity are the products of energy quanta and quantum action that takes place within and surrounded by an energy background.

If we could observe the greater universe beyond the 13.7 billion years since our "big bang", QWC encompasses the idea that we would see a finite arena that is expanding into a greater universe. And if we could see infinitely out into the greater universe it would look the same as the quantum world, only on a higher level of order. Big crunches are the same as high density spots, Big Bangs are the same as the burst of high density spots, and inflation and expansion of arenas as co-moving coordinate systems are the same as the spherical expansion of the quantum energy waves that emerge from the bursts of a high density spots. Arenas intersect and overlap to form new big crunches which in turn burst to continue the arena process perpetually.

There are two levels of order that can only be distinguished from each other by the difference in the length of time it takes their respective actions to take place and the difference in scale between them. The thresholds and limits of energy density have their counterparts at each level of order and the energy to matter to energy process plays out through quantum action at the infinitesimal level and through the formation and burst of big crunches at the level of the greater universe. The process at each level serves to defeat entropy and enable a perpetual quantum world and a perpetual arena filled universe.

And this arrangement benefits life which is undaunted by it all. Life and consciousness is characteristic of the arena process that is enabled by the quantum nature of the universe. Because of the generative and evolvative nature of life, consciousness will always have a home within the arena process in Quantum Wave Cosmology.