Romanian UFO

[blobrana]

"The Romanian Defence Ministry has confirmed that a fighter plane was struck by four unidentified flying objects and released a video of the incident. "

Read more (http://www.dailyindia.com/show/247427.php/UFOs-hit-Romanian-plane)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QO5UH38IhU

[Orleander]

Nope, just saw puffs of smoke. No UFO.

[Carcano]

I didnt even see puffs of smoke!

[draqon]

The purpose of these news are to bring Romanian Air Force to media and perhaps upscale its rating for the purpose of military sale

[Cazzo]

The day I see alien UFOs in a reputable scientific journal, is the day I might start believing they're real and not a hoax or someone's misinterpretation.

[Orleander]

I didnt even see puffs of smoke!

Oh, maybe it was the jets shooting at it. It wasn't in English so I'm not sure.

[draqon]

The day I see alien UFOs in a reputable scientific journal, is the day I might start believing they're real and not a hoax or someone's misinterpretation.

The day a reputable scientific journal publishes UFOs to make us start believing they're real and not a hoax, is a day when that scientific journal no longer becomes reputable.

[2inquisitive]

The 'puffs of smoke' shown on the screen were the unidentified objects. They were said to be solid and not translucent. I can't understand the language, but it seems one of the MIG-21s broke away from the formation to investigate the returns and was damaged in the process. I didn't see an altitude given in the report, but the military stated it was too high for a flock of birds, my first guess. There is an additional video showing the damage done to the jet. Here is a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyzngb-m7UI&NR=1

[blobrana]

The day a reputable scientific journal publishes UFOs to make us start believing they're real and not a hoax.

Hum,
`Unidentified` means unknown.

[blobrana]

Hum,
also,
certain birds can fly at/or higher than that altitude.

[GeoffP]

I liked that one with the gun camera from Mexico. That was cool. Scary tho.

[eburacum45]

I would suggest that stuff like this should be reserved for the Pseudoscience forum, which is subtitled 'ufos'; although I don't agree with the name of that particular section, it is best if we keep all that sort of stuff together. A Romanian aircraft hitting a high-flying bird or other object is not astronomy, whatever else it is.

[blobrana]

I would suggest that stuff like this should be reserved for the Pseudoscience forum.

The term `UFO` is loaded in certain peoples minds to mean aliens or angels etc; however, i posted it in here because it was an `unknown falling/flying object`, and there was a possibility that it was a meteor or re-entering satellite debris, or perhaps an unknown atmospheric or biological phenomena.

[GeoffP]

I would suggest that stuff like this should be reserved for the Pseudoscience forum, which is subtitled 'ufos'; although I don't agree with the name of that particular section, it is best if we keep all that sort of stuff together. A Romanian aircraft hitting a high-flying bird or other object is not astronomy, whatever else it is.

Nein! Isn't stuff in the sky the business of astronomy? It doesn't necessarily mean there are little green men piloting them.

Although they are.

[nietzschefan]

The term `UFO` is loaded in certain peoples minds to mean aliens or angels etc; however, i posted it in here because it was an `unknown falling/flying object`, and there was a possibility that it was a meteor or re-entering satellite debris, or perhaps an unknown atmospheric or biological phenomena.

If you read the translated blurb, the pilot(i think) describes it as a UFO "Spining on it's own axis". Yes they simply call it a UFO, however it is described here as being a classic "UFO" or "flying saucer". The kind of image that modern media has managed to put into North American minds = "Bullshit".

The problem is( for the american brainwashed), this kind of thing is in fact reported in many areas of Europe with absolutely none of the bullshit pre-desposed notions the U.S Government has put on UFO reports (I.E you are a nutter for even reporting). It is an accepted, yet unexplained, phenomena outside the U.S.

[GeoffP]

Actually I think Belgium had some kind of collaborative arrangement with their national MUFON or whatever it's called (think that's right - Mutual Ufo Network or something. Kind of a bad name, actually.) and their air force for a while there. Apparently they had a huge scare with dozens of UFOs being seen etc. As I recall, Belgium, the Russians and the Mexicans are all pretty much jake with the whole UFO thing. It's interesting. I guess I'm kind of inclined to believe it a little. There's a lot of sightings, pilot reports, etc. Can they all be crap?

[nietzschefan]

Actually I think Belgium had some kind of collaborative arrangement with their national MUFON or whatever it's called (think that's right - Mutual Ufo Network or something. Kind of a bad name, actually.) and their air force for a while there. Apparently they had a huge scare with dozens of UFOs being seen etc. As I recall, Belgium, the Russians and the Mexicans are all pretty much jake with the whole UFO thing. It's interesting. I guess I'm kind of inclined to believe it a little. There's a lot of sightings, pilot reports, etc. Can they all be crap?

Do to the nature of UFO reports in the states, I think many flakes are the only ones left in orgs like MUFON etc. I personally only give credance now to professional or military reports. Many others are of this opinion, hence why only "official" reports like this one will gain notice in the U.S now.

There is one group in the U.S(though it is international). I think they are called "Full disclosure" or something like that. Mostly limiting themselves to that 10% of unexplained ala Project Blue Book. Limiting anecdotal evidence to former military/current military/ ATC/ Radar operators etc.

Incidently France still maintains a department in their space agency and reporting UFOs(all types) falls in their domain. Basically it is overwhelmed, and not given more resources because...well there is not much that can be DONE about it.

The U.S came to this conclusion when they closed project blue book, but did not want to admit they can't do anything about it. So in came the, deny it's happening, form of operations. At least officially...

[GeoffP]

Yeah I remember that "Full disclosure" guy from a vid on youtube which is pretty neat. Doctor, I think he was. It's a tough scenario, imaginary or not: how would you stop them violating your airspace? What would you say to the public if you couldn't?

[nietzschefan]

Exactly. I guess being a superpower in charge of defending from the soviets, we can understand why they did it then. Now, I guess it's hard to change policy on it. In some sightings cases, they really have to come up with some rediculous explainations. Others, the basic and absolute silence, speaks loudly(thinking of the rather crazy sighting over new mexico here - even the Govenor, I think, reported it).

[eburacum45]

There's a lot of sightings, pilot reports, etc. Can they all be crap?Yes, they can. Off to Pseudoscience with this discussion!

[kmguru]

This is old news...

On October 30, 2007 a MIG-21 Lancer was on a routine training mision. It was stuck by an apparent UFO. The canopy of the plane was shattered and leading edge of the right wing was severly damaged. The plane was flying at an altitude of 6500meters or 21,325feet and speed of about 500mph. The pilot was injured and some problems landing safely. He was guided in by his wife who is an air traffic controller.

Several days later, some officials from a Romanian Air Force base said that the gun camera footage showed a flight of 4 black triangular craft. One of these triangles hit the MIG. The image quality was insufficient to properly discern what the objects were. THe images were sent to SRI (Romanian Intelligence Service) for a closer look. The Defense Ministry has ordered the pilot not to discuss the incident with researchers or memebers of the press.

http://www.protv.ro/stiri/eveniment/armata-cere-sprijinul-sri-in-anchetarea-unui-incident-aviatic.html


Perhaps they saw ours or Russians next generation stealth fighters?

[GeoffP]

Yes, they can. Off to Pseudoscience with this discussion!

No, sir, they can not! You have not proven your scurrilous interpretations, sir! A pox on you! Good day!

Geoff

[Orleander]

Yes, they can. Off to Pseudoscience with this discussion!

No, UFOs are a proven fact.
Space ships aren't.

[nietzschefan]

No, UFOs are a proven fact.
Space ships aren't.

Oh wow, u smart.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/5927_NASA.jpg

[Orleander]

<sigh> Yes, no one knew what I was saying. Thank you for clarifying.

Sorry for the confusion everyone! When I said spaceship, I should have said 'spacecraft from another planet'.

[nietzschefan]

Yes, they can. Off to Pseudoscience with this discussion!

It's actually up for debate - more and more "Real" scientists recognize the need to investigate (with traditional scientific discipline).

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4495214212975065941

[eburacum45]

Indeed. And the place for this debate on this forum is the Pseudoscience section. I don't like the title of that section myself, but we are stuck with it.

[GeoffP]

I am unstuck with it.

[blobrana]

Hum,
Any votes for falling lumps of ice?

(other nominations welcome)

[GeoffP]

Fast swamp gas.

[nietzschefan]

Hum,
Any votes for falling lumps of ice?

(other nominations welcome)

Triangular, spinning, weather balloons.

[GeoffP]

Flocks of supersonic birds.

[blobrana]

...supersonic birds.

Hum,
i suppose geese in the jet stream would travel fairly fast....

[eburacum45]

Since the mods haven't moved this thread yet, I suppose we could have a little chat about it here...
we only have a height for these birds, not a speed. 21,000 feet is not impossibly high for birds;
see here
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/zoo00/zoo00388.htm

...the greatest altitude documented as of the mid 1980's was a
Ruppell's griffon, an African vulture, struck by an airliner at 37,000 feet.
Another vulture, a lammergeyer was seen over "its mountain home" at 25,000
feet over Mt. Everest; alpine choughs have been recorded nesting at 27,000
feet on Mt. Everest. A mallard was struck by an airliner at 21,000 feet over
Nevada.

A mallard!
Of course the Romanian airforce don't want to let it be known that a mallard could muck up their planes, so it is all top secret now..

[Orleander]

Hum,
Any votes for falling lumps of ice?

(other nominations welcome)

Fast swamp gas.

Triangular, spinning, weather balloons.

Flocks of supersonic birds.

I say angels

[GeoffP]

Do the geese move at Mach 1 or above?

Angels! Silly! Everyone knows it's ducks powered by burning swamp gas. The rapid jinking is explained by a little cheek flapping as they blast their way across the heavens. Everyone knows a methane-powered mallard defies the laws of inertia. It's why we say "fly like a bird", for the love of Myuu! I refuse to be drawn into a debate if we're not going to be serious.

Umbraged Geoff

[Orleander]

Do the geese move at Mach 1 or above?

Angels! Silly! Everyone knows it's ducks powered by burning swamp gas. The rapid jinking is explained by a little cheek flapping as they blast their way across the heavens. Everyone knows a methane-powered mallard defies the laws of inertia. It's why we say "fly like a bird", for the love of Myuu! I refuse to be drawn into a debate if we're not going to be serious.

Umbraged Geoff

They are the angles of geese that were sucked into jet engines. :p

[GeoffP]

Cheeky.