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First, the best way I know to start lucid dreaming is to get in the habit of asking yourself, "Is this reality?" Eventually this habit will carry itself over into your dreams. And guess what happens when you ask this question in your dream? ;)
Now, I was reading something about improving brain power and it says that your brain doesn't distinguish between dreams and reality. It reacts the same way in either case. When you're dreaming your ability to move gets switched off, so when you try to move, you're doing the same thing you would do when awake, except it's normally disabled so you don't go thrashing around in your sleep!
Since your brain doesn't distinguish between dreams and reality, you could use this to your advantage. You could practice something in your dreams that you want to become better at in real life. You could also overcome phobias like fear of heights, or water!
What do you think of this? Think we can use lucid dreaming to improve ourselves? Can you think of anything else we can use lucid dreaming for? I have an idea I want to try out, but I don't expect it to work. Maybe someone else can try too. I want to try to learn to move things with my mind in dreams, then try to apply that knowledge in real life. Who knows? There's a chance it might work!
Cactus Jack
06-03-02, 05:10 PM
Actually that's a good question. When I first started thinking about Lucid Dreaming I thought if I was capable of dreaming such on a regular basis I would practice Martial Arts in my dreams.
I don't know, I think it might help when it comes to the mentality of whatever you are practicing but overcoming phobias......no I doubt it because you'll always wake up and realize it was just a dream. But I don't know.
I thought of the martial arts aspect too! :D
Of course you'd still ahve to physically train your body outside of the dream world too.
As for phobias, or course you'd wake up and realize it was a dream, but that doesn't matter. It would still work. They used VR to help people get over phobias, and dreams are much more realistic so I think it would work even better.
Cactus Jack
06-03-02, 07:04 PM
They used VR to help people get over phobias
Really? Have any more info on that?
Pollux V
06-03-02, 07:20 PM
I think it depends on the phobia. They don't have homophobia VR simulators for instance but they do have arachnophobia ones and ones for a fear of heights (as far as I know).
I'd use them to practice various sexual tricks and strategies. Hmmm yes cunningverycunning...
:D
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
They used VR to help people get over phobias
Really? Have any more info on that?Uh, no, sorry I don't. I read it in some new age magazine a long time ago, and I saw it on some tv show. That's all I know about it. I definitely remember someome getting over a fear of hieghts with it though.
And Pollux, you're essentially correct, but you make it sound as if there are different specialized simulators. They just run different programs thats all.
Anyones Lucid dreams come true?
Sounds possible, but I can think of a few problems.
What if you misused it? What if you tricked yourself into believing things that werent true? Exactly what would happen if you began to rely on it....um..somehow. Well, ya never know.
Sounds dangerous to me. But I think it could also be an evolutionary mechanism.
neways, it's late I should be sleeping.......... :bugeye:
Actually that's a good question. When I first started thinking about Lucid Dreaming I thought if I was capable of dreaming such on a regular basis I would practice Martial Arts in my dreams.
You don't need to be in a lucid dream state to do this. You can do this in your head, while you are awake, right now. Visualization. I remember reading about a study with kids and basketball playing. There were 3 groups. One that practiced for 20 minutes each day. One that didn't practice, but sat in front of the net visualizing practice, for 20 minutes. The third did nothing each day (control group). The control group showed no or very little improvement (obviously). The practice group showed 20% improvement. The visualization group showed 19% improvement. Not much difference. The lesson that I've learned is that the brain can't tell the difference between actual experience and imagined experience for the most part, at least in terms of intrinsic learning. However you don't get the benefits of exercise and muscle tone via visualization.
-Xenu
Anyones Lucid dreams come true?
I had a dream not too long ago that came true. I don't remember how lucid it was however. Most of my dreams are at least partially lucid, very few are strongly lucid.
In the dream I was talking to two different friends on campus, in waking life I hadn't seen either of them in several months. While I was talking to one the other interrupted our conversation making the person I was talking to mad.
In the morning I wrote the dream down, not thinking much of it. I went to school, and met one of the people in the dream. While i was talking to her, I felt a kick at the back of my feet; it was the other person in the dream and she had interrupted our conversation. During the whole conversing I didn't even think about the dream. It wasn't until after I said goodbye and started walking away did it hit me.
It was strange because I hadn't seen either of them in a long time, and they appeared coincidentally at the same time, like in the dream.
So is this precognition? I don't know for sure. I have a strong beliefs that people can communicate to others via some kind of "telepathy-like" via emotions. For me it was my way of reaching out to friends I hadn't seen in a long time and wanted to see.
-Xenu
That's a pretty cool account of your dream, Xenu. However, I'm curious--if you had that dream, and found it significant enough to write down, how is it that the dream didn't hit you as soon as the SECOND person from the dream bumped into you?
Just a side note: I had the most horrifying experience of my entire life last night. I was in that pseudo-dream state of drifting off to sleep, and suddenly "I" was in a room (yet I was watching myself, and it didn't look like me, but a 12 year old child--yet I associated it as first-person, it felt like I was the child), and suddenly something took me over. My facial features gave way to all skin wrapping around my face. (If anyone has seen the newer House on Haunted Hill, it's just like that. I'm sure that's where it came from, too, because I was watching trailer clips from it for it earlier in the day and I'm betting my brain had memory fragments of it.) Some voice, not particularly scary, said something totally random like "Now, the palace of glass!", and then my vision gave way to pure blackness, I was paralyzed, and suddenly I was hit with the most powerful emotion of fear and terror and confusion that I've ever had in my life. It was like a series of images, but instead of actual images, they were quick shots of horrific emotion delt to me blow after blow for a few seconds. I woke up within seconds, and was totally paralyzed by fear for about 30 seconds, then I decided to get some external stimuli in and opened my eyes. I was blown away and practically scared to try to go back to sleep for a while :(
Eric
Woah, that's messed.
You don't need to be in a lucid dream state to do this. You can do this in your head, while you are awake, right now. Visualization.I know, but you can utilize more of your time if you can do it when you're sleeping. And dreams are more realistic than any "visualization."
Sounds possible, but I can think of a few problems.
What if you misused it? What if you tricked yourself into believing things that werent true? Exactly what would happen if you began to rely on it....um..somehow. Well, ya never know.Who the hell would misuse it to screw themselves up?!
It's a slight possibility.
Like I said, you might become reliant on it, to the point where it becomes the basis of your confidence. You might not allow your brain produce some miniscule chemical compounds that it needs, by....um...somehow. There's the possibility. I'm not saying lucid dreaming is bad, but that anything taken beyond moderation has it's repreccusions.
Or maybe I'm just trippin'.......
Originally posted by TheERK
That's a pretty cool account of your dream, Xenu. However, I'm curious--if you had that dream, and found it significant enough to write down, how is it that the dream didn't hit you as soon as the SECOND person from the dream bumped into you?
Ya...I want to know too. It should have been Deja Vu....
%BlueSoulRobot%
06-21-02, 12:58 PM
I don't know if this helps any, but a friend of mine (who's into this type of thing) told me when one is having a lucid dream, someone is trying to contact the dreamer, or that both are dreaming and somehow meet in "dream" phase. It sounds improbable to me, but it's an interesting thought.
I had a dream once, where I was the coordinator of some sort of gala, and my friend was stressing over her lines (she was the hostess). It was a situation where I was outside looking in, even though I was the person I was looking at. So, I kept telling her to calm down, and suddenly, I snapped back and I was the person I had originally been looking at. There was a moment of confusion, then I just said it: "You're dreaming, this is not real."
My friend started saying I was crazy, how could this not be real, and she poured some water into my hand. I could feel the water, feel it trickle down my arm, and it was cold. But I just shook my head and said: "This isn't real. I'm dreaming. You're not here."
And with that, I brushed my friend clean out of the air. Just like that, as if she were made of trillions of feather-light particles, I just fanned my hand and she blew away. I began walking away from the auditorium I was in, and made my way up this dark and dank stairwell. I climbed in what felt like an eternity, and suddenly I was on the rooftop (it looked like the rooftop from Spiderman, because I just saw the movie, haha).
I looked around and smiled.
Then, I looked up, and saw God.
(Well, it was more of a feeling, like a gigantic presence rather than a wise old man dressed in white on a throne of light.)
Feeling satisfied, I made my way to the edge of the building, and jumped.
-BSoulBot
That's a pretty cool account of your dream, Xenu. However, I'm curious--if you had that dream, and found it significant enough to write down, how is it that the dream didn't hit you as soon as the SECOND person from the dream bumped into you?
When I had this dream, I was in the middle of a dreamworks class in which we were supposed to write down every dream we could remember. So at the time of the dream, it was "just another dream to write down".
I don't know why it didn't pop into my head when the second person nudged my foot. I guess I was too wrapped up in the moment of conversations to think about it. It was only when I had a chance to reflect on what happened, it popped into my head.
-Xenu
Originally posted by Alpha
I know, but you can utilize more of your time if you can do it when you're sleeping. And dreams are more realistic than any "visualization."
For you maybe. As I said above, my dreams are just as hazy as my visualizations. I don't distinguish much between them. But I do agree with the time thing.
Like I said, you might become reliant on it, to the point where it becomes the basis of your confidence. You might not allow your brain produce some miniscule chemical compounds that it needs, by....um...somehow. There's the possibility. I'm not saying lucid dreaming is bad, but that anything taken beyond moderation has it's repreccusions.
Too much of anything will hurt you, my friend. For example, if you drink too much, you die, and water is probably the thing we need most. Lucid dreaming is a tool like anything else. You can use it and abuse it.
I would like to pose a theory of how lucid dreaming could be harmful.
Firstly, dreaming happens only in REM sleep. There is much evidence that one of the purposes for REM sleep is learning. <This may be a large leap for some, if you want me to post some additional info on this, let me know> When you are in REM sleep your brain is very active, as if you were awake. It's as if the brain is taking all of the new info obtained throughout the day and integrating it with old info. It's kind of like defragging your hard drive on your computer.
I think that dreaming is a natural byproduct of these processes. It's your brain trying to make sense of all of these fragments and filling in the gaps. What I suggest is - if you take control of these natural processes, this info collected throughout the day won't be integrated as it normally would. Your learning could be deprived.
Regular dreaming occurs in REM sleep, yes? And this seems to me the conscious mind's enema. What about night terrors and somnambulism and such, which I believe are rooted in the deep sleep stage? Would they be, using my previous metaphor, the subconscious mind's enema?
Adam,
Yes, dreaming only occurs in REM sleep. Night Terrors and Somnambulism occur during slow-wave sleep, particularily in Stage 4, right before REM sleep.
In night terrors there doesn't seem to be any actual "dream material". It's almost completely emotional based. If you wake someone up from a terror, they won't recall what was happening but can recall certain emotions - fear anger etc.
In sleep walking, a person isn't acting out a dream, as commonly thought. Or at least there doesn't seem to be a dream. There is another disorder called REM without atonia in which the person will act out the dreams. REM paralysis is no longer present, this can be very dangerous, but is also very rare. -This occurs in the REM stage.
I don't know how this fits into your enema theory - you have to decide for yourself. I'm guessing that your theory states that sleep is the time to resolve and get rid of the shit. I agree to an extent but also there is good evidence that REM is a time for learning and integration, but this also means getting rid of the shit.
I would personally suggest that Night Terrors and Sleep Walking are kind of like dreams, but without all-the-right-equipment-turned-on. They seem to only appear in the stage right before REM. For instance, Night Terrors are like dreams but without rational content turned on, only emotional. Sleep walking is like a dream but without the rational stuff and paralysis turned on. This is just my hunch.
I think dreaming is both a mental enema and assimilating new knowledge and such. It's the brain sorting itself out in all things. But I think dreaming is such for the conscious mind which has to interact with the world outside. And night terrors and other disorders of that stage of sleep seem to me the same for the subconscious mind; both assimilating things, and a mental enema for the subconcsious, generally sorting things out or trying to.
maleris
06-22-02, 04:23 PM
Caveat: Because I do not know the technical definition of "lucid dreaming" used by sleep researchers, I may not be addressing the drawbacks of true lucid dreaming.
My definition of "lucid dreaming": What I do and call lucid dreaming is a state in which I'm already in a "normal" dream (no matter how bizarre its content) and my "conscious" mind becomes aware of the dream. Any number of things can happen at this point, but these revolve around two reactions (which may both be present): (1) I start analyzing the dream--e.g. as someone said re: the movie trailer influencing the dream, I realize during the dream that I'm only seeing something because it's left over from a recent experience; (2) my conscious mind, unsatisfied with the dream's content, starts making changes (frustrating sometimes because my "dream mind" has a will of its own and often matches the change, putting me in a new peril and on and on in a battle between the two minds).
Drawbacks: You "wake up" feeling like you didn't get any sleep at all. The phenomenon is probably related to the fact that I also talk in my sleep (at one point, during intensive language studies, I even talked in Russian while I was asleep), used to sleepwalk extensively and still have mini sleepwalking experiences (e.g. will try to hold a conversation with someone who is talking to me while I'm still asleep).
Upside: If you're overly cerebral (which I've been accused of more than once), it's more hours of analysis and very creative analysis--can have epiphanies on work/school problems.
/s/ maleris
...a battle between the two minds...
Ah!...the fun being a huuman....:D
Adam,
I think dreaming is both a mental enema and assimilating new knowledge and such.
I definitely agree with that. There are some theories that deal with Theta waves and memory that support both assimilation and enema happens.
But I think dreaming is such for the conscious mind which has to interact with the world outside.
That's kind of what I think... From what I understand with perception is that the brain is getting all sorts of sampled chunks of information from the environment, which forms a fuzzy picture. The brain fills in the gaps, makes images clear and pristine. What you are seeing right now is mostly made up.
All of this information being passed around in the brain during REM sleep is also being observed by centers in the brain that normally put those sampled chunks together (guess I can't name anything exact right now, would guess frontal lobe and parietal lobes), and tries to make a clear and pristine picture and situation. This is why dreams seem disjointed, but not a bunch of random chunks.
-Xenu
BloodSuckingGerbile
07-12-02, 07:33 PM
Lately I've been having really weird dreams which take place in the same surreal environment almost every night. I can even draw a map of it.
There's a big ancient gothic church and an old cemetery near it, then there is a forest near the church and a huge grass field nearby and then I remember my house back from when I lived in russia and three swimming pools two of which are smaller that the third.
I can also recall a sea or a lake nearby, but I can't place it on the map. I don't know its' exact place...
So every time I see that church or anything from the thing I've listed, I know it's a dream and that happens about three times a week, and everytime it's a lucid dream, but sometimes I loose control of them and they become really scary and twisted, especially after experiencing something spooky, even after watching a horror movie or something.
Once I had a dream where I went to the forest and there was that tree to which I came close and when I looked on it's branches, I saw amputated human wrists growing on it. They were flapping in the breeze and making weird sounds. After that I entered a wooden hut near that tree and it was full of body parts. The dream took place at night.
I woke up in cold sweat and I couldn't fall back asleep till the morning. That was like totally sick and twisted.
Sometimes there are "happy" dreams.
I recall one where I was flying in a bathtub (don't ask) on a sunny day over a grass field and... that's... it.
The weird thing is that I can remember only a dream, be it sick or "happy", which takes place around that church. Nowhere else.
Don't know why it's a church. I'm Jewish... :confused:
Has anyone experienced anything similar?
May be you are seeing thru someone else's eyes. That person could be broadcasting the intense experience and you picked on a quantum entangled way....
Could be in another time or another earth....too....
There are trillions of possibilities.
BloodSuckingGerbile
07-13-02, 06:04 AM
:bugeye: oho...
oho..?? just oho!...nothing but oho?...that is all you have to say?...and I booted my computer just to read oho?...shame on you...:D
BloodSuckingGerbile
07-13-02, 02:52 PM
right...
:D
WonderingGino
08-31-02, 02:44 PM
Well my dreaming is somewhat very weird (i think) For about a year now i have been having dreams where i know im dreaming i fall asleep already knowing im gonna be dreaming so when start sleeping i know if anything happens b4 i wake up its gonna be a dream but the problem is when im in my dream i talk to my dream and tell the dream that i know everything that is happening is not true and that its all a dream as soon i say that to my dream my heart stiffen's really firmly and i have to wake up cause i have severve pain in my heart. I can control my dream if i dont like it i can just wake up and i try to move myself cause i know movement wakes me up so its kinda weird...Some1 told me im figuring out my dreams and how they work and so therefore my brain doesnt alowe it to happen.. Please help if any1 knows what this is and if its normal.:confused:
TreeLyfe
09-03-02, 03:52 PM
I try not to be Lucid in my dreams , well not totally be lucid as if I control everything. Cuz I believe your dreams are from your higher self mixed in with your mind, and you got to find the answers your higher self is giving you cuz your mind is interfering, thats why I dont try to be too lucid. I would guess I'm an observer, even though its wierd sometimes cuz I would begin to notice myself doing things but Im not consciously doing it.
Anyway that martial arts thing ... hehe yes I've tried that too lol, i guess the question now is who hasnt =). But I belive you can learn moves and such but its much easier in dreams to actually do it, so plz dont try it when you wake up lol. But i guess thats the first step in learning is through the mind =) , then your body but you'd have to be very dedicated. Like those karate people say its the power of the Mind and Body, but I would guess ego would be very powerfull if you knew what kind of power you have, thats why they add Mind, Body, and Spirit =) , which I try to remember when I meditate for some reason. But anyway Lucid Dreaming is more dangerous than what people think, yes i know you can't get hurt while in dream... even though i woke up with sore chest after being shot in chest in a dream. But its dangerous to the mind, cuz you remember lucid dreams more clrearly in than most. And when your dreaming your in a higher dimension/higher frequency. And from what i read in the former Likes Attract and in the latter Likes Repel. But the thing about being in this higher dimension of dreaming, is that ego can easily take over when lucid and you can start thinking of bad things only for it to come true in the dream making it a nightmare. Cuz I believe dreaming is you in your higher self and when you realize your dreaming your mind starts to do its work , interfering.
Im not too sure how to say what I'm saying but I know what I feel about it. MIND-BODY-SPIRIT goes for dreams too i think, your dream being your true self, your body being your mind/lucid, and if you have spirit you would think of only good / attracting good.
Thnx Bye
DjFrEaK
09-19-02, 11:18 PM
that's wierd though, i always get the feeling that this isn't earth, i'm dreaming while i'm actually awake, i'm not real, life is a dream, then something happens.
%BlueSoulRobot%
09-20-02, 01:00 AM
One word: Punctuation! :p :D
Lucid dreaming for me consists of sleeping with my eyes slightly ajar, and waking up in a dream repeatedly until reality becomes a dream. Scary.
that's wierd though, i always get the feeling that this isn't earth, i'm dreaming while i'm actually awake, i'm not real, life is a dream, then something happens.
Like daydreaming?
Btw, nice takeover of the threads in Parapsychology. :D I was like, whoa...even I can't match that. And Welcome to SciForums, DJFreak! :)
DjFrEaK
09-21-02, 03:52 PM
thanks!
I have been a lucid dreamer all my life. It sucks. I wish I could just have a dream where things happened like they normally should in dreams. Instead, it takes only a few seconds (dreamtime) for me to realize I'm dreaming. Then the unpredictability of dreams ceases to exist. It's maddening. It's like being a supreme overlord of everything and having everybody bowing and scraping before you when just once you want somebody to disagree with you. Everything goes exactly as you had planned or thought and there's very little genuine "holy crap! where did THAT come from?" involved. It might sound great in real life, but in dreams it sucks.
Wow, that's strange. I've never heard of anyone that couldn't stop having lucid dreams. I don't know how to help you on that one. I'll give it some thought.
Originally posted by maleris
My definition of "lucid dreaming": What I do and call lucid dreaming is a state in which I'm already in a "normal" dream (no matter how bizarre its content) and my "conscious" mind becomes aware of the dream. Any number of things can happen at this point, but these revolve around two reactions (which may both be present): (1) I start analyzing the dream--e.g. as someone said re: the movie trailer influencing the dream, I realize during the dream that I'm only seeing something because it's left over from a recent experience.I agree with this definition.
Drawbacks: You "wake up" feeling like you didn't get any sleep at all. The phenomenon is probably related to the fact that I also talk in my sleep (at one point, during intensive language studies, I even talked in Russian while I was asleep), used to sleepwalk extensively and still have mini sleepwalking experiences (e.g. will try to hold a conversation with someone who is talking to me while I'm still asleep).Doesn't happen to me. When I have lucid dreams, I still feel like I've had a normal nights sleep.
CounslerCoffee
10-16-02, 12:51 AM
I have had one lucid dreams and in it my eyes exploded. Scared the crap out of me! How would I go about trying to lucid dream again? Id really like to.
Qxygen in my mind your damn lucky to be able to do that.
I don't know, Counselor. It gets pretty annoying. Last night I actually had an experience that I had to record, however. I was walking in downtown Modesto, which only stood to figure since I had walked there all day that day. I went through my usual routine, willing a cup of coffee into my hand and summoning up whatever I wanted. The day was kind of gloomy, so I willed it into a nice, sunny day and took a stroll down by the Brendan theaters. On two sides of that building are murals depicting life in California's Central Valley, the farms and the industry. As I looked at them, however, words melted through the murals.
"It will happen in forty days what you do not want to happen in 100."
I knew that the message was important, so when I woke up I looked at the calendar. The 40th day will be November 24th, a Sunday.
I confess, I am worried. My father has colon cancer and decided not to go through with the surgery, which he didn't stand a good chance of surviving anyway. (He's 76 and not in the best of health.) The last time I had a message this clear it gave a date of September 11th, but not the year. When something else happened on September 11th, 1993, I thought that had been it. I breathed a sigh of relief having gotten through it all right. (It had been a major auto accident involving five cars including mine, which was pulled from the bottom of the heap.)
I can only hope that 40 days is not all my father has left. It was a pretty intense message. Anyway, you guys are my witnesses to this message. I'll let you all know if anything happens. :confused:
CounslerCoffee
10-16-02, 11:06 PM
I still say your lucky. I would surround myself with playboy models and pizza.:D
Is that all you can come up with? ;)
Originally posted by CounslerCoffee
I have had one lucid dreams and in it my eyes exploded. Scared the crap out of me! How would I go about trying to lucid dream again? Id really like to.
Qxygen in my mind your damn lucky to be able to do that. Read the first post.
platzapS
12-03-02, 05:28 PM
a couple times I've had lucid dreams--like once i knew it was a dream, so when my baby sister fell off a million-story hotel balcony, i just jumped right off to get her. I actually caught her, too. Also, i was going to be burnt at the stake or something, but i just kept telling myself, "this is a dream, this is a dream," and so i eventually escaped. Once or twice I've realized it's a dream, so i just went up to the first hot girl I saw and kissed her:)
Othersider
12-03-02, 05:45 PM
I've had some really strange experiences with dreams in the past.
Sometimes I'm laying in bed, awake, thinking about something that involves motion. I start to move uncontrollably, but it's just for a short time and usually just a twitch of my foot or leg, as if I was walking. It scares me.
When I vacationed to France I was lying awake very late one night and I kept on having these really strange "dreams". my eyes were open but it wasn't really daydreaming. I was having fun with my family or whatever, just talking in general. It seemed so incredibly real but whenever I realized that it was not real, I felt a deep sense of dissapointment and then I'd see the world as it really is. It was a really strange yearning to go back into the world that I was seeing.
Just to let everyone know, the 40 days has come and gone. On November 24 I was in Reno and my boyfriend won 500$ at Roulette and then lost it all at Blackjack. I don't think that was what the dream was referring to, losing money we never really had in the first place, but so far nothing has surfaced. Let's hope that something in the fabric of space/time changed and affected the outcome.
(This is kind of strange. I've never publicly recorded one of these events before!)
Lilicia
12-13-02, 11:41 PM
I used to have lucid dreams alot when I was really young, but I thought it wasn't as fun as regular dreams (kind of like a movie or book where you know and can change the ending - It's just not the same). Anyway, I made myself stop having them by waking myself up as soon as I could make up the 'ending', and now I want to be able to dream lucidly again. Does anyone know how I could regain that ability?
fadingCaptain
12-14-02, 12:06 AM
I have been trying to start lucid dreaming again also. When I was a kid it happened all the time.
All I know is to start recording all of your dreams so you will be able to recognize one as it is occuring...So keep a pad and pencil next to your bed.
ekkcentrik
12-30-02, 01:09 AM
Lucid dreaming (and dreaming in general) can definitely help us work through our problems, and act as "training" for situations we can possibly be in, but are not presented with in our everyday lives.
I suppose if you dreamt that someone broke into your house, and you reacted to that situation in a "logical" way, then you would know exactly what to do in the event that it actually happened.
However, a couple nights ago I dreamed that somebody had a bunch of knives (I mentioned this in another post). I believe the thought of "lucid dreaming" crossed my mind, so I half-knew that I would not get hurt...but when I was stabbed, I still felt a slight sensation!
OmgaRoot
01-02-03, 12:59 AM
I use to be able to control my dreams, for I awile it was great, but I understnad, sometimes you just want thing to happen, to be able to lose control and just let things happen. So I dont know, I use to think my dreams and TV or a portal, and over time I kinda used a remote control insead of directly changeing things, this way I could still like things happen. ( so maybe thinking dreaming about haveing a remote control can help) the only problme or maybe good thing, is that I cant do that any more.
I have had my dreams come true before, only once. It was my mothers birth day and I had given her a key chain with a rock on it ( I was little, im not cheap ;p ) and I had then gone to sleep and dreamed about me wakeing up and walking into the other room where I saw the key chain on the table but it was broken in half, and I asked my mom what happen and she said " I dont know" I than did something else and than I woke up. Finaly acualy awake, I go into the other room and there on the table I saw the key chain and it was broken just like in the dream in the same spot too, and I asked my mom and she said she didnt know what happen to it.
Now the thing is (playing devils avcate, from the point of veiw of a Scientist ) that did you relly dream it? not to mention you have tons and tons of dreams, and they are made up due to your shroundings, and so is it possible that its just coqincent that it happend.
metachor
01-06-03, 08:38 PM
I do something like solving skool problems/practicing skills in my lucid dreams:
Whenever I have programs to code for my computer science classes, the first step I take, after absorbing as much of the abstract as possible, is to take a nice long nap. I will become aware that I am dreaming, and proceed to "write" the program which I am supposed to code for my homework. But instead of dreaming of myself sitting in front of a computer typing lines of code, instead I interact with characters and settings which are isomorphisms of various programming abstactions (loops, recursive strategies, stack classes, &c). By just interacting of the plot of these dreams, talking to characters and moving from location to location, the program 'unfolds from my subconscious to my conscious mind'.
Then I wake up and just type up the code as if it were a record in my dream journal, substituting characters and plot elements from the dream with the various classes and abstractions they represent in whichever programming paradigm I am to do my program in.
Recently I started studying math, and I have been doing my multivariable calculus assignments this way as well. It sure beats spending hours hunched over a a calculator and sketch paper manipulating number structures in my mind while awake. :D
Hi,
i always thought that sleep is for recreation.
That our conscious mind can switch of and take a break to recover.
But that is not the case during lucent dreaming, here the conscious mind is still working.
Does this has any effect on the quality of your sleep?
Do you feel relaxed in the morning or is it like beeing awake all night.
Thanks
marble
Nascere
01-25-03, 10:35 AM
Hey yall
I wasnt lucid in my dream last night well I think I wasnt I was going along in my dream of how it was I guess. It wasnt a scary dream. Which I liked cuz usually dreams I remember are scary in a way. Is anyone here good at interpreting dreams? I usually go to the msn dream interpretation but it doesnt help as much as I'd like tho it does to an extent. I had a long dream which stayed the same most of the time. Cuz usually I have more than one dream at a time. It was a nice dream I think. It wasnt dark like most dreams I have where it always seems to be night time.
I started off in what seemed to be a Mall, a 2 story mall and I was with someone I couldnt really see. I didnt notice much people there at first but gradually it became more crowded. Somehow I ended up on the 2nd floor. And I went inside and Ice Cream shop. When I got in there I saw some people eating the ice cream from the glas windows they were in. I could of swore they were stealing the ice cream by eating without paying. I look across the room and the guy I was with was doing the same thing. I was looking around the room , it was a small place, dimly lit, there were no cash registers or anyone servicing the counters. I look up and I see 2 black dome glasses the kind you see in big department stores that you know has cameras in them. I felt we were being watched at the very moment and these people were going to get in trouble. But someone led me to the ice cream near the front entrance, the people had scoopers eating this blue ice cream that had what looked like to be big chocalate chips in it. I had an urge to join in, in the the feast, but all I did was stick 2 fingers in and get a little taste, though I dont recall tasting the flavor but as I did these 2 guys appeared and told me to follow them. I thought I was in trouble for eating without paying and I was kinda scared that I was ready to run. We got out the ice cream shop and I notice the mall was different. I was still on the second floor and everything up here seemed the same. Except now you can see the 1st floor from up top, but the 1st floor didnt look like a mall but a school. There were plenty of portable class rooms lined up along a concrete like street. I notice the scene below and compare it to the floor I'm on. Up here there was bright white lights like a mall and down there it was nighttime and there were street lights that gave the 1st floor an orange hue. The man took me to a secret door and I thought we were going to some type of security room for shoplifters. It wasnt tho, it was a furnished room like a hotel , with TV's, couches, bed, a kitchen , etc etc. It seemed like a lot of time flew by in just a min when I entered. Cuz me and this guy seemed to get along like he knew me. He asked me to do him a favor. I think to get some soda or something cuz this girl wanted some. And he said by the end of the day he'll end up carrying hand fulls of them. He said cuz word will get around and then everyone will start wanting some heh. Told me something like info spreads like wildfire or something. I just went along with him. He was a kinda funny guy with his expressions and the way he said things. He sat down the couch turned on the TV and started playing a video games he orderd from the TV and he had a N64 controller.
I left the room and the mall was back to normal 1st floor and 2nd. As I was walking along this black girl from downstairs saw me and she yelled its Ming! As soon as she said that the whole mall seemed sooo crowded all of a sudden with people running in a frenzy, some people reunning to me and others running away. For some reason the name Ming didnt make me feel funny like it was my name , or either the crowd around me cuz usually I feel uncomfortable around crowds, but I wasnt uncomfortable at all. As I was walking toward her I saw myself in a reflection, I look the same as I am and I was even wearing the same clothes I had the day before. With my NC black and blue starter jacket, with my blue beenie on my head, grayish blue pants and gray white nike cortez/milkshakes on. Somehow I appeared down stairs by the black girl and she was so beautiful. She had long thick curly black shiny hair that reached the center of her back. With perfect smooth featuress. She had pink nice lips, not to big not to thin, that were accustomed to smiles, and she had almond shaped eyes with big spraky black orbs. She was slim and short maybe 5/6 5/7. She was wearing baggy clothes, a black hooded sweater that had the name brand in the center and gray sweat pants. I describe her so becuz its unusual for me to see someone so clearly and remember them pefectly in my dreams. I was staring at her and time seemd to freeze, it literally seemed to freeze, everyone around me was still, but it was like they were waiting for something. She had my mind go blank, & this seemed like a very critical moment. I was real nervous cuz I didnt know what to say or do and plus all the eyes staring at me. She ended up sitting on a white bench next to the escalator. She was looking at me with a smile and she had her sweater off and she had a white fruit of the loom shirt. I dont remember what I said to her and I sat down and put my arms over her shoulder and it seemed like I knew her from somewhere and we were close. And at that moment everyone was at a frenzy again. She took my hand and led me up the escalator and it was very crowded. People were ahead of us and people were behind following us. We went back the way I came and went to the secret security room. As we entered I saw a different man sitting on the couch and he was playing star fox for N64, he just looked at us and gave no heed. The she led me to the other side of the rooom and there was another door. She opened it and light beamed in from the sun. On the other side it looked like paradise, like a tropical island, with palm trees,clear waters , beaches, with yellow soft sand, and the along the streets where straw like huts that were shops. I went thru the door and ended up in a hotle/hut of some sort and there were 4 people in the room. I went to the back side whre a chinesse man was tending plenty of white birds, I dont remember what happend there, but I ended up in another room where me and this guy were talking at a dining table near a window where you can see the beauty outside He was talking about his work tho I dont remember exactly what we discussed but he was a construction worker. Then the scene changed and we were outside in an SUV of some sort, I was in the back back seat enjoying the scenery. We were headed to the beach I think. Time seemed to freeze again and it was raining now tho the sun was still shining and there were no clouds. I saw my friends next door neighbor, this old guy probly 45 name Dominique walking a german sheperd tho he has a rotweiler, the rain seemed to follow him where ever he went; he has cancer and I feel bad for him cuz hes a nice guy. I soaked in the scenery at the moment. We were on the street at the end of upside down L of the street where you turn. Ahead of us was a sand path with trees brimming the sides and the waters along the sides. At the corner of the street was a straw hut shop. After this we moved on again and we pulled over next to the beach and the beach was a little below us cuz there was a drop. I see a peer a little ways down with a white roofed area at the end of it. And along the streets there were shops and behind us and the the right where trees. The beach was like a U shape and the waters were sooo clear and blue. Anyway we stopped cuz the people needed to do something, take a piss maybe. But they went in the water and dissapeared. Then another car comes by and pulls over not too far infront of us and these black people came out and went to the beach and also dissapeared except this one black girl that was staring out in the ocean. She kept getting closer and closer to me, she looked young maybe 16, she came up to me and said I know you want to do the same thing... whatever that is or the significance of what will happen if I did. But I started walking toward the beach, I was on the edge of the angled drop just looking at the clear waters. I end up soaking my feet in the water and I still have my clothes on except my jacket is off. As I was standing there I turn around and I see a blonde woman walking toward me, I notice a white almost transparent image of herself floating behind to the left and above her, and she was walking with a little child. She came up to me and told me to get in the water and lay on my stomach or something like it. For some reason I did just that but I wasnt completely in the water just up to my hips, lying on my stomach in an angle looking up at the sun. All of a sudden she got on my back and I was slowly sinking in the sand, she told me to push up. So i did and I was clawing my way and all of a sudden I felt a tingly pain of pressure on my back from the weight of her on the middle part of my spine around my navel area, and I woke up with that feeling.
Somewhere along that dream I saw a woman in a store trying to get her child back and 2 people were all over her struggling to keep her down for some reason and she had a water gun spraying them. It was real late at night and I saw her in the parking lot in a black SUV loading a pistol with the sticky rubber sucktion tips pulling them fro the visor. But I was seeing this thru her eyes like I was her.
I just thought I might share the dream while it was still fresh in my mind. If anyone good at interpreting dreams can you let me know .
THnx bye
moonman
01-27-03, 01:44 PM
I've been having lucid dreams since tyhe first dream that I can remember. I'm 'lucky' enough to have them regularly. And I seem to have an uncanny tendency to remember my dreams after I've had them. I think most people don't.
Most are too complicated and illogal to explain, and many link to my childhood and involve envents or chains of events that are of such a particular nature(sometimes basde on reality/the past) that it would take much too long to explain them.
The thing is they always make sense to me no matter how weird, but if I put them in words, ie rationalize them, they cease to make any sense whatsoever.
I posted this 'dream report' in another thread. Thought it might belong here.
I'm driving arround in a forest without any specific destination, I come to a clearing from which I can observe the cannopys of trees at a long distance. There some hundred meters over the tree tops is a snow coverd mountian levitating upside down and the 'top' is not vissible(too high up). I find myself ascending this upside down mountain. And Damn it's hard. But I want to reach the 'top'. There was somekind of deep secret or I like to post speculate, a source of meaning at the top which i was striving to reach. But I felt more like a daredevil while climbing, not like I was seeking the top, but rather chalenging the mountain. It proves an impossible task to reach the top. I wake up.
There are lots more.
Nascere
01-28-03, 02:32 PM
Hey again
Im gonna tell yall about the dream I had last night it was 2 dreams right after the other the 2nd one was something totally new to me thats never happend before.
The first dream I took a plane ride to the old place I use to live which was Japan, on the Air Force Base, well I think it was Japan cuz I saw a friend that I knew when I lived there.
I remember flying not sure if it was a plane ride all I saw was me taking off then all of a sudden I was infront of an airport, at the parking lot. I look around and I see my friend Kenneth and he looked much older he had a beard and everything. I saw him sitting on the hood of a car and I was like HEY KEN you remember me!? I was all excited cuz I havent seen him since I was in 7th grade. He rememberd me and we were shaking hands and I turn around and I see this one girl that I've been seeing in my dreams lately and she was older too heh, last time I saw her she was a little kid, I dont remember her name tho heh but she recognized me and me, her and ken were talking. We went down to the barracks at the base where ken was staying, and we just hung out along with the girl. The time in the dream kept on skipping like a movie. Anyway it was night time and we were at the parking lot and the girl I think her name was Jen and she was like thats my truck and asked if I wanted to drive it heh. So I did and next thing I know I'm in trouble by a drill sergeant I think. He told me to run around the barracks 20 times heh I just shrugged and did what I had to do. I went back to the barracks and we were just chilling in the hall and this girl next door came out. She looked a lot like a girl I use to work with. She was saying she was gonna have to go to jail for some murder and she was all crying, leaning up on me and stuff so I hugged her. Next thing I know we were kissing heh but that passed. I asked Ken about my friend Keiichi cuz his folks didnt work for the military so I guessed they were probably still livin in Japan. He told me he died and I didnt know what to say, but Ken was talking crap about him saying he was super fat and stuff. The dream skipped again and I saw a big big clock I think it was the big ben or somethng but there was 2 of them. And they were over half way buried under water and it was raining real real hard. Between the clocks was some sort of hammock but it wasnt a net and it was all black, it was like vinyl or something. But I was in the middle of the hammock gettin soaked trying to keep from falling in the ocean and the ocean was real choppy and turbulent, it was like if you fell you'd get stabbed by the water. I was strugglin to get a life vest and I got it and the dream stopped and it changed, to my second dream. I know that dream sounded stupid heh it kept skipping around and I know I missed a lot of stuff about it like a classroom and a garden and I dont want to go in too many details.
The second dream I was on the edge of a cliff that went in a small u shape. I was looking down a valley and at the end of the valley was the forest and behind that was a big mountain. On the right end of the cliff there was a gap and it was a passage. I appeard in the valley and went in the passage and there was a hole. I went down but dont remember the tunnels but I ended up on the other end and I see a skeleton next to the ladder that leads you out. So I go up the ladder and I get out and I'm in a field surrounded by forest and up ahead was a path and I can see a wooden fence that seemed like bamboo. I go to it and I see a little village and a little boy and my mind was saying that he was a reincarnation of someone that I forgot who. But I was walking up there and me and the boy were having a conversation but I couldnt remember what was being said. And all of a sudden the dream started over again but the beginning was different and I wasnt alone. There were 3 of us including me and we were on horses that were flying with no wings =) very cool. I was on a big white horse and I had a purple cape on heh... how gay. Anyway I headed back toward the passage between the cliffs and we went over nice scenery of forests and mountains and we finally ended up in the village but I was on the other side of the village this time. The boy comes up to me and introduces himself. He said his name was Ishar or Ishtar one of those, and he said thats my wife Shiat over there and she was walking thru things not opening the fence but walking thru it like she was a ghost. And he had a son too but I dont remember his name. The thing is they looked like little kids they didnt even look past 10. The son looked as old as them and they as old as the son. This is the part that got wierd. Ishtar or watever was the only person talking to us but he was speaking a language I never heard of before. And the way he sounded made him sound ancient, he was speaking in a real deep voice that didnt seem to come out his mouth but it was like the air was talking. And when he started talking I can sense a power in him he had a aura of power. and my mind was saying he was a reincarnation of someone that i forgot. The language was something I never heard of before it sounded like chanting like monks when theyre in a group and it seemed like a group of people were talking when he was speaking. It sounded like OOOOAAAEEEOOOOHHHAAAHHHHDDDDAI heh like one big old word heh. But my head was translating every word into english which never happend before and he was cool =) I dont really remember what he was saying but it wasnt good, he was talking about some kind of disaster like the world was going to end or something. I wish I remember every word that he said. But thats the last of the dream I remember.
Bye
wolrabp
02-03-03, 07:57 PM
I would be a sceptic of lucid dreaming however i once read something on it and how to initiate it and it worked once. I would like to learn more about it as it is a very interesting topic. Any info on how to initiate and control lucid dreams would be most helpful
wolrabp
02-03-03, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Nascere
Hey again
I see this one girl that I've been seeing in my dreams lately and she was older too heh, last time I saw her she was a little kid, I dont remember her name tho heh but she recognized me and me, her and ken were talking.
the girl I think her name was Jen and she was like thats my truck and asked if I wanted to drive it heh.
Next thing I know we were kissing heh but that passed.
I know that dream sounded stupid heh it kept skipping around and I know I missed a lot of stuff about it like a classroom and a garden and I dont want to go in too many details.
Bye
hypewaders
02-03-03, 10:48 PM
Lucidity is or seems completely explained in its own definition- a complete owner's manual in one word. I imagine that I do it just through wanting to, and autosuggesting it enough right before sleeping :o All that is required is awareness that a dream is occuring, and the holodeck is enabled :eek: However, my creative brain in this state is unfortunately not so innovative. I always enjoy taking a boring dream and turning it into yeeeeeeHAW! :D , but invariably wind up flying around like Peter Pan over and through various dramatic vistas, or, um, well, shagging someone sexy. That's all well and good, but it would be nice to design a handy home nanoassembler or something, but alas I seem to always degenerate into a flying pervert. This makes me think perhaps perceived lucidity could be the mere sensation of lucidity :bugeye: because I really would like to do something productive with free will, but end up playing around like an idiot :( Of course that is the story of my life so maybe it is truly lucid :D
janeelsa
04-30-03, 10:27 AM
One morning my husband and I woke up early and went out to the front room. He was watching TV and I was reading a book. I fell asleep again on the couch. He, in the meantime, went to take a shower. I dreamt that I woke up and got up from the couch and went into the bathroom to tell him something, but I couldn't speak, I couldn't open my mouth, and I realized I was dreaming. THEN I dreamt I woke up on the couch (again) and I looked out the side window into our yard. The vine that normally grows along one side of the porch was growing in a different spot and I thought, "Oh, I'm dreaming." And then I really woke up. (I think.)
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