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laladopi
03-30-08, 08:57 PM
Ive always wondering what the human purpose is. i understand you live and die, but why do we all strive to look for a better future when ultimately you die the same whether you are a millionare or a buddist monk? what are we suppose to accomplish while we are here, and how does it affect us if we have an afterlife or not, then honestly whats the reason of a conscious or a good heart. where do these concepts take you.
Ive always wondering what the human purpose is. i understand you live and die, but why do we all strive to look for a better future when ultimately you die the same whether you are a millionare or a buddist monk? what are we suppose to accomplish while we are here, and how does it affect us if we have an afterlife or not, then honestly whats the reason of a conscious or a good heart. where do these concepts take you.
From what angle are you using the word 'purpose' ?
laladopi
03-30-08, 09:18 PM
umm theres a never ending cycle of reproduction birth and death.
and everyone lives and everyone dies, but what are we here to realize or come apon when no matter what you do you die the same as everyone else. is there even a ultimate outcome of millions and millions of years of nothing? is it nothing? like after live what is to come. how does a conscious help? what is its use?
umm theres a never ending cycle of reproduction birth and death.
and everyone lives and everyone dies, but what are we here to realize or come apon when no matter what you do you die the same as everyone else. is there even a ultimate outcome of millions and millions of years of nothing? is it nothing? like after live what is to come. how does a conscious help? what is its use?
Well you could say that from a evolutionary viewpoint the purpose of life on an individual level is to procreate. Survival of the genes.
But evolution in and of itself has no direction or purpose.
If you are referring to some grand purpose of why we are here, the answer is there isn't one.
Anyone that believes (a) in God will obviously dispute that though.
Because life exists for death and death exists for life. All that dies will live. All that lives will die. It does matter because ultimately we will be influenced by our own actions in our past lives.
Remember how bible says that "do that unto other what you would do unto yourself?" that is what it means...we are essentially same thing
laladopi
03-30-08, 09:29 PM
so there is no point of being an individual or learning knowledge.
so its just a chain of evolution and we are unfortunate enough to realize it?
so there is no point of being an individual or learning knowledge.
so its just a chain of evolution and we are unfortunate enough to realize it?
Basically, yes. If you define purpose to be something 'divine'.. a 'higher purpose' or whatever.
so there is no point of being an individual or learning knowledge.
so its just a chain of evolution and we are unfortunate enough to realize it?
unfortunate?! no point?! I just told you that this cycle exists for ourselves and yet we are individuals with different consciousness at specific time interval of our lives.
think of life as this....there is a boy and a girl, they share love between each other...they are standing back to back amidst this winter frozen dunes...He warms her, she warms him. They cannot fall down or they will fall asleep the snow will cover them and they will die and the helicopter rescue will not find them...but if one leans over the other and sleeps on his shoulders sharing his warmth and than when she wakes up he leans on her should to sleep...they can survive this night. Thats how life is...except much more complex
PsychoticEpisode
03-30-08, 09:39 PM
Because life exists for death and death exists for life. All that dies will live. All that lives will die. It does matter because ultimately we will be influenced by our own actions in our past lives.
Remember how bible says that "do that unto other what you would do unto yourself?" that is what it means...we are essentially same thing
laladopi.....If you want a purpose, I'll give you one. Focus on ridding the world of religion so you, your children and your children's children never have to suffer through any more words of wisdom of a nonsensical philosophical nature or see another Bible quote as long as they live.
laladopi.....If you want a purpose, I'll give you one. Focus on ridding the world of religion so you, your children and your children's children never have to suffer through any more words of wisdom of a nonsensical philosophical nature or see another Bible quote as long as they live.
that would be her decision. You are encouraging her/him to wage war against religion.
laladopi
03-30-08, 09:42 PM
the cycle exists for ourselves? how can one be satisfied with his accomplishments when he wont be able to benefit from it when they are dead? why do we all have the will to live, when we realize death will come...like blada yada so we have the will to reproduce the next generation of our existence but how does being an individual help? is it just being selfish? sorry if my question and babble is annoying.
PsychoticEpisode
03-30-08, 09:43 PM
that would be her decision. You are encouraging her/him to wage war against religion.
Wage war? ...laladopi, see what I mean?
the cycle exists for ourselves? how can one be satisfied with his accomplishments when he wont be able to benefit from it when they are dead? why do we all have the will to live, when we realize death will come...like blada yada so we have the will to reproduce the next generation of our existence but how does being an individual help? is it just being selfish? sorry if my question and babble is annoying.
How can we not be individuals ?
the cycle exists for ourselves? how can one be satisfied with his accomplishments when he wont be able to benefit from it when they are dead? why do we all have the will to live, when we realize death will come...like blada yada so we have the will to reproduce the next generation of our existence but how does being an individual help? is it just being selfish? sorry if my question and babble is annoying.
it is not annoying at all. Realize this (well according to how I see this world) that we exist for ourselves, when we die, we are reborn in this same world we were part of but as someone else. Our actions in past life influence our current selves because we ultimately see our own actions because we experienced them all. At the same time we are both self-conscious of ourselves at current time and thus are different individuals...Do you understand?
PsychoticEpisode
03-30-08, 09:47 PM
why do we all have the will to live, when we realize death will come.
Are you thinking the purpose of life is to become immortal? Works for me but be prepared for more religious rhetoric.
Are you thinking the purpose of life is to become immortal? Works for me but be prepared for more religious rhetoric.
ur such an ass...I actually take time and think about this :rolleyes:
laladopi
03-30-08, 09:54 PM
i understand...does this have any relation to samsara?
i understand...does this have any relation to samsara?
I am a Buddhism follower...
Hrm..
PsychoticEpisode, finish it off.. ;)
laladopi
03-30-08, 09:56 PM
well when you say immortal what do you mean?
PsychoticEpisode
03-30-08, 09:57 PM
ur such an ass...I actually take time and think about this :rolleyes:
and that's the best you can do? Oh by the way, calling somone an ass on the internet is so ridiculous, did you hope to insult me? on the friggin' internet? Are you implying I don't think also? :shrug:
laladopi, is not finding a purpose really bothering you? or do you have want you 'd like to share.
well when you say immortal what do you mean?
I mean the memories/body are gone but consciousness of self lives on.
PsychoticEpisode
03-30-08, 09:58 PM
well when you say immortal what do you mean?
living forever. You seem to be at a crossroad here, are you contemplating a major decision?
calling somone an ass on the internet is so ridiculous, did you hope to insult me? on the friggin' internet? Are you implying I don't think also? :shrug:
k, keep it cool.
laladopi
03-30-08, 09:59 PM
alright
alright
did u want to have memories and body forever? :bugeye: think about it really hard...what that would mean for you...
laladopi
03-30-08, 10:04 PM
no i dont want memories and body forever? its a matter of whats the meaning of all this suffering? whats the point of living life when it wont matter in the end?
PsychoticEpisode
03-30-08, 10:05 PM
psychoticepisode, what do you mean by immortality being a purpose?
The ultimate goal, to live life forever in real time in a real place. Your purpose, should you choose to accept it, is to do what you can to stop death, increase lifespans and generally help out the rest of us mere mortals.
Sounds like a job but it is really a metaphor for a goal. Find something you want to chase and go get it. If immortality is what you think you could be best at discovering then go for it.
Sigh.. I'll leave you two kids alone.
no i dont want memories and body forever? its a matter of whats the meaning of all this suffering? whats the point of living life when it wont matter in the end?
well than let me ask you a question...this end you speak of...what is it? because death is not an end...it is a beginning of new life.
laladopi
03-30-08, 10:06 PM
is my existence to make sure i want to be alive long enough to reproduce the next generation of human life?
Sigh.. I'll leave you two kids alone.
we need your guidance grandfather.
PsychoticEpisode
03-30-08, 10:07 PM
Hrm..
PsychoticEpisode, finish it off.. ;)
I can't ...I feel sorry for the guy. Just call me an old softie.:D Besides ,,,,a ceasefire has been initiated.
laladopi
03-30-08, 10:07 PM
and like what the fuck psychotic episode are you just writing posts to piss people off?
this thread doesnt involve you at all, i dont understand why you feel the need to reply when you dont give a shit about my thoughts. yet your adding to this.
and like what the fuck psychotic episode are you just writing posts to piss people off?
this thread doesnt involve you at all, i dont understand why you feel the need to reply when you dont give a shit about my thoughts. yet your adding to this.
WAR
laladopi
03-30-08, 10:11 PM
im only 17, maybe i need some more discovering to do.
i really have no idea what to expect throughtout life and death.
im only 17, maybe i need some more discovering to do.
i really have no idea what to expect throughtout life and death.
throughout life expect everything you want from it by doing everything you can for it. And death...don't think about it. By the way I am 21...if ur a girl and need a lonely boyfriend...I am here 4 u.
PsychoticEpisode
03-30-08, 10:13 PM
Ceasefire over? I wish lala was sensitive to my thoughts too. Sniff. Imagine putting a thread on an internet forum and not wanting certain individuals to respond. Segregationist.
PsychoticEpisode
03-30-08, 10:14 PM
17? I'm done. Sorry kid.
laladopi
03-30-08, 10:20 PM
why are you doooooneeee?
why are you doooooneeee?
hey so...did u consider it? :)
PsychoticEpisode
03-30-08, 10:25 PM
why are you doooooneeee?
Because I was 17 once. The reality of the situation is that you will never find a purpose to life on an internet forum.
laladopi
03-30-08, 10:39 PM
touche, but still i wanted to hear other peoples opinions ya know
laladopi
03-30-08, 10:41 PM
yea ive acquired some important points from you draqon and your ideas have started a branch of new thinking in my thought process...
Crunchy Cat
03-31-08, 01:49 AM
Ive always wondering what the human purpose is.
Objectively it's to persist. Subjectively it's whatever you want it to be.
i understand you live and die, but why do we all strive to look for a better future when ultimately you die the same whether you are a millionare or a buddist monk?
A better future gains you greater effectiveness at collecting energy; thus, promoting your chances of reproduction.
what are we suppose to accomplish while we are here,...
Objectively to collect energy and reproduce. Subjectively it's whatever you want.
...and how does it affect us if we have an afterlife or not,...
Don't know. There's no model of physics that even suggests an afterlife would be possible.
then honestly whats the reason of a conscious or a good heart. where do these concepts take you.
A conscience is the result of the human behavior of judgment. We judge each other via some basic questions: "Are you mean?" (the primary question) and "Are you valuable" (the secondary question)? People with a "good heart" are more likely to be judged as being not mean and being very valuable; thus, contributing to the success of our species.
laladopi
03-31-08, 10:22 AM
can someone tell me the point of our existence is?
how did everything come about (including the universe)?
what is to come from everything?
why are we here?
im sure no one can give me a satisfying explanation but...
can someone tell me the point of our existence is?
The point of our existence is to define the point of our existence, we are free so much to do anything we want that we feel like we have nothing at all to live for...that is how much freedom there is.
how did everything come about (including the universe)?
Supposevly the big bang...but thats scientific. It all did not come to be...it all was and is and will be. Meaning the future created the past. And all is a cycle.
what is to come from everything?
Another cycle of universe and us in it with some different variation
why are we here?
We are here to live, we on very slim chances for our existence, yet we exist because universe allows our existence and favors it.
im sure no one can give me a satisfying explanation but...
Only you can give yourself a satisfying explanation. But let me ask you this, is satisfaction or "truth" what you seek? :bugeye:
cosmictraveler
03-31-08, 10:32 AM
im only 17, maybe i need some more discovering to do.
i really have no idea what to expect throughtout life and death.
Then stop worrying and just get on with living , doing the things that interest you the most. Don't concern yourself with death as much as with life and living!! ;) :)
its a matter of whats the meaning of all this suffering?
what suffering? you mean exercise and learning?
whats the point of living life when it wont matter in the end?
what end? there is no end, there is only now. this eternal moment.
can someone tell me the point of our existence is?
to enjoy your existence.
how did everything come about (including the universe)?
first nothing was EVERYTHING that existed and then suddenly EVERYTHING was there.
what is to come from everything?
nothing, anything and something.
can someone tell me the point of our existence is?
how did everything come about (including the universe)?
what is to come from everything?
why are we here?
im sure no one can give me a satisfying explanation but...
Lala, you ignore any answer but the one you agree with.
So let's hear your own thoughts on it..
Crunchy Cat
03-31-08, 01:39 PM
can someone tell me the point of our existence is?
I did in post #47. To recap, objectively it's to persist. Subjectively it's whatever you want.
how did everything come about (including the universe)?
The universe inflated (that's all we know for sure). How reality is what it is remains unknown; however, most (if not all) models of reality suggest it to be a timeless ever-changing prescence of information.
what is to come from everything?
Change.
why are we here?
Our parents reproduced.
im sure no one can give me a satisfying explanation but...
I would prefer to give you truth rather than something that feels satisfying to you.
laladopi
03-31-08, 03:28 PM
Our parents reproduced.
lol well that is an obvious truth that can be seen with the human eye.
but that really cant be that simple.
Crunchy Cat
03-31-08, 03:45 PM
lol well that is an obvious truth that can be seen with the human eye.
but that really cant be that simple.
Why not? Of course if you're asking a different question then clarify what you are looking for.
laladopi
03-31-08, 05:02 PM
touche.
laladopi
03-31-08, 05:03 PM
i think, my thoughts should be more organized and clear to form a more solid question, that i am looking for.
i think, my thoughts should be more organized and clear to form a more solid question, that i am looking for.
laladopi, countless number of peeps replied to you, take time to reply to them as well...courtesy ;)
Jozen-Bo
03-31-08, 05:45 PM
The purpose of humans?
Might I ask what is the purpose of birds, or dogs, or worms, or plants?
shichimenshyo
03-31-08, 05:46 PM
yea ive acquired some important points from you draqon and your ideas have started a branch of new thinking in my thought process...
I can only hope thats sarcasm. :D
The purpose of humans?
Might I ask what is the purpose of birds, or dogs, or worms, or plants?
the same purpose as humans have (but not according to the Bible thou)
laladopi
04-01-08, 01:59 AM
well clearly, i'm serious when i say "ive gathered thoughts" i dont know alot of people with different ideas about purposes, most people just say "its the fun you have in between" im not settling for that answer and i still continue to look for the truth.
and oh i just realized you (draqon) were hitting on me. :thumbsup:
and oh i just realized you (draqon) were hitting on me. :thumbsup:
My candidacy is always open, I am 21 year old single male student who needs gentle girlfriend's touch to heal wounds of lack of relationship
laladopi
04-01-08, 09:35 PM
well, no offense or anything but i didnt join this forum to meet guys, im sure your a sweet guy and :rolleyes:everything but im takeen by like this amazing man.
superluminal
04-01-08, 09:40 PM
*barf*
laladopi
04-01-08, 10:21 PM
lol
superluminal
04-01-08, 10:33 PM
"Purpose" is a concept that one can adopt or bestow upon another being or thing. It is not inherent in the being or thing itself. Therefore, while humans may adopt purposes for themselves, or bestow purpose upon another human or a thing, we - and the entire universe - have no inherent purpose. None whatsoever.
laladopi
04-01-08, 11:57 PM
thats a brick wall indeed, uh huh uh huh uh huh
laladopi
11-13-08, 11:19 PM
any good news?
laladopi
11-13-08, 11:30 PM
or you all still munching at your asses?
well your still speaking with a virgin angel male...of 21 years of age...
laladopi
11-13-08, 11:53 PM
and your responding to someone that has given her heart to someone else already.
im sorry. anyhow you discover any new findings of a truthful soul?
laladopi
11-13-08, 11:55 PM
sweet talking me over the internet doesnt mean much.
well laladopi...sweet talking or not...these are my hardcore facts. Just wanted to share with you the stagnant reality
I just want to find common understanding and not that I am asking for love but more of a social condescending nurturing help, thats not much to ask...especially in these days...when girls at age 18 already are "taken"...
laladopi
11-14-08, 12:32 AM
i a social understanding is what you were getting at?
sure, i would be delighted to share common beliefs and our differences.
who are you to judge about my love and my age.
i a social understanding is what you were getting at?
sure, i would be delighted to share common beliefs and our differences.
who are you to judge about my love and my age.
oh you see, thats just what I am talking about...Never even a thought crossed my mind of having any sort of stereotyping be in any sort of way describing the members of the respectful community of Sciforums, no just a peculiar notion of life from my perspective of the women I see around me...their short lived love and crumbled pieces of hyperactive life. Those who rise high real fast, fall fast too.
laladopi
11-15-08, 12:26 AM
exactly, repercussions for my endowed love.
17 and 21...
Wait to marry until you have lived with some one at least 2 years.
If it doesn't work out be honest and break up before you move on to some one else.
It doesn't matter what their mouth says about loving you. What matters is how well you treat each other.
If you look for pupose, you will never find it.
If you make your purpose, you will never run out of it.
Carcano
11-15-08, 01:20 AM
Ive always wondering what the human purpose is.
If you were immortal...the question would never come up.
laladopi
11-15-08, 01:49 AM
but we are not. that is exactly why the question is asked.
you dont even know, immortality as bliss. not the body.
scorpius
11-15-08, 10:20 PM
can someone tell me the point of our existence is?
to live,survive
how did everything come about (including the universe)?
I think it always existed,in some form or shape ...to know for sure is the reason why we learn and explore
what is to come from everything?
no one knows :shrug:
why are we here?
to communicate ;)
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