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Talk about facists. Atheists want everyone to believe the same hopeless spell they have fallen under.
Talk about facists. Atheists want everyone to believe the same hopeless spell they have fallen under.
lol Fascists ? Now who's pissy ?
Atheists do not want everyone to believe the same. In fact, atheism is not even a belief.
They DESPISE anyone's happiness--especially if it's rooted in God, as foolish. :rolleyes:
They DESPISE anyone's happiness--especially if it's rooted in God, as foolish. :rolleyes:
Not so.. is this some sort of kick-the-atheist game ?
I agree. It's jealousy. Christians are happier and atheists want everyone to be down in the mud with them.
This isn't a game. You atheists are certainly pissy.
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 12:38 PM
Talk about facists. Atheists want everyone to believe the same hopeless spell they have fallen under.
-How about frustrated theist when atheist dont buy their theorys ? ;)
Down in the mud? Most of us are deliriously happy. :xctd:
I am not trying to convert you lot. I am only defending religion.
I am not trying to convert you lot. I am only defending religion.
Convert me to what? I'm already a born-again Christian. There is nothing better. :yay:
Its because they are compassionate and want to save everyone from themselves.
Oops that sounds familiar... :D
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 12:42 PM
I agree. It's jealousy. Christians are happier and they want everyone to be down in the mud with them.
-Prove that you are happier than me, I´m not atheist but Christian by choice of my parents, whom are reaching the truth, at this moment buddhists are top of my list.
An atheist can't save you.
Why should I prove that? You're admittedly not an atheist. My comparison was only to atheists.
This is hilarious.. :rolleyes:
Rant away 'Christians'... lol
-Prove that you are happier than me, I´m not atheist but Christian by choice of my parents, whom are reaching the truth, at this moment buddhists are top of my list.
We don't have to prove anything. Not to you or anyone else. On a 1-10 happiness scale, I am a 777,777,777,777! :D
I don't have to prove anything. Not to you or anyone else. On a 1-10 scale, I am a 777,777,777,777! :D
You are talking about your beauty, is it not ?
By the way, can someone please explain to me exactly how I go about placing someone else's quote in my comment box?
By the way, can someone please explain to me exactly how I go about placing someone else's quote in my comment box?
Do you want to hear it from an atheist ? Or do you want to wait for a Christian ?
You are talking about your beauty, is it not ?
Yes, that too. And mentally, physically, emotionally, financially, romantically, socially, spiritually.....:D
What a wonderful life! :xctd: :yay:
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 12:47 PM
I agree. It's jealousy. Christians are happier and atheists want everyone to be down in the mud with them.
-You saying that someone is jealous of your choice of God indicates the superiority that Christians feels towards other religions and atheists, pride ~ sin ?
I have been extremely religious and atheist, and I can tell you religious is good for the soul.
Yes, that too. And mentally, physically, emotionally, financially, romantically, socially, spiritually.....:D
What a wonderful life! :xctd: :yay:
Heaven is even better, or so I've heard..
I have been extremely religious and atheist, and I can tell you religious is good for the soul.
You have been an atheist ? :eek:
Not you Sandy, silly.
Oh, duh. I misread that quote about in the mud. I missed the word "atheist". :rolleyes:
Yes, another blonde moment. :o
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 12:50 PM
Convert me to what? I'm already a born-again Christian. There is nothing better. :yay:
-Same goes fore here, feeling superiority hence there cant be nothing better.
Heaven is even better, or so I've heard..
Yes, I've heard much better. But I can't say that or I will be accused of preaching and warned/threatened/banned. :rolleyes:
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 12:51 PM
They DESPISE anyone's happiness--especially if it's rooted in God, as foolish. :rolleyes:
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M*W: You are a prime example of why we are atheists.
Yes, I've been an atheist. Mostly because science does not support the idea of God, and I like science. However, faith is a feeling that grows on you, especially when surrounded by others with faith.
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 12:53 PM
Down in the mud? Most of us are deliriously happy. :xctd:
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M*W: That's called a facade.
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M*W: You are a prime example of why we are atheists.
And you are a prime example of why many choose Christianity.:p
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 12:53 PM
I have been extremely religious and atheist, and I can tell you religious is good for the soul.
-Yes, spirituality is good for soul. I have my own perception what God is but I dont force it to others, unlike Christians, Muslims...
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M*W: That's called a facade.
No. It's called reality. And you HATE that. You HATE that someone can be so happy. Better to wallow in misery, huh? :confused: :rolleyes: :(
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 12:55 PM
Yes, I've been an atheist. Mostly because science does not support the idea of God, and I like science. However, faith is a feeling that grows on you, especially when surrounded by others with faith.
-There you have it, belonging to a group does give comfort.
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 12:56 PM
No. It's called reality. And you HATE that. You HATE that someone can be so happy. Better to wallow in misery, huh? :confused: :rolleyes: :(
-Why is it that only Christians are happy, why you assume everybody else to be unhappy ?
Yes, I'v heard much better. But I can't say that or I will be accused of preaching and warned/threatened/banned. :rolleyes:
Are you denying your faith ? :eek:
Yes, I've been an atheist. Mostly because science does not support the idea of God, and I like science. However, faith is a feeling that grows on you, especially when surrounded by others with faith.
So you were influenced by others of faith ? You adopted this faith to fit in ?
No. I said I used to be an atheist. Past tense.
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 12:59 PM
I go to see my friends and that makes me happy, is that some kind of wrong happiness ?
You have monopoly over happiness ?
At this point I'm fairly sure that I am much happier then Why? :D
I didn't adopt any faith. I resurrected my prior faith.
No. I said I used to be an atheist. Past tense.
Yes, I've read that. You are now a Christian right ?
Were you influenced by people of faith to become a Christian ? Did you want to fit in, did it simply 'rub off' on you ?
Enmos, would you now please explain how I can cite a prior quote in my post - as a fellow past-atheist to current atheist?
I didn't adopt any faith. I resurrected my prior faith.
So you were a Christian before you were an atheist ?
I was not influenced by people of faith to become a Christian. It did not rub off on me. I saw their faith and it called to me.
Enmos, would you now please explain how I can cite a prior quote in my post - as a fellow past-atheist to current atheist?
Sure, copy the text you want to cite and paste, then: [ quote ] text [ /quote ].
Remove the spaces.
Did you mean that ?
Yes, I was a Christian prior to being an atheist, than I went back to being a Christian, correct.
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 01:04 PM
We don't have to prove anything. Not to you or anyone else. On a 1-10 happiness scale, I am a 777,777,777,777! :D
-Yes, I know, but why then comments that "they dont want to be happy" -
"they want stay unhappy" ?
Like so:
[ quote=little old me ]Atheists are not pissy[ /quote ]
Atheists are not pissy
Like so:
[ quote=little old me ]Atheists are not pissy[ /quote ] Praise be to God!
Christians are happier than atheists. You can see it in their eyes.
Numerous studies/surveys say the same thing:
http://www.cathnews.com/news/412/66.php
:yay:
Praise be to God!
I think I showed it to you though, not God..
Christians are happier than atheists. You can see it in their eyes.
Numerous studies/surveys say the same thing:
http://www.cathnews.com/news/412/66.php
:yay:
Sure.. ignorance is bliss.. :rolleyes:
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 01:11 PM
How about, whom are more happier, Zen philosopher or Christian ?
I have a special place for atheists in my heart. I understand them well. I also understand Christians. Sure, Christians can be down right stupid. But, atheists are also missing out on the emotional experience of faith.
I have a special place for atheists in my heart. I understand them well. I also understand Christians. Sure, Christians can be down right stupid. But, atheists are also missing out of the emotional experience of faith.
Maybe, but emotional experience is not based on truth.
Like so:
[ quote=little old me ]Atheists are not pissy[ /quote ]
Maybe, but emotional experience is not based on truth.
But humans also feel the truth.
But humans also feel the truth.
I am of a different opinion, without a clear definition of truth.
I am of a different opinion, without a clear definition of truth.
Your mind, however clear, is never bereft of emotions. There is always an emotional element to the truth - whether religious or scientific.
I have a special place for atheists in my heart. I understand them well. I also understand Christians. Sure, Christians can be down right stupid. But, atheists are also missing out on the emotional experience of faith.Or they're not - and the "emotional experience" they get is one of their brain trying to work out how on earth it can be acting so irrationally in just one aspect of their life when they demand so much more from other aspects.
This is nauseatingly uncomfortable - like you're watching something and knowing that what you're seeing just isn't right. It nags at you. Gnaws at your very root.
That's what the "emotional experience of faith" is.
At least to me.
Disgusting.
Nauseating.
Depressing.
Brain-not-working-properly kind of emotions.
:D
Or they're not - and the "emotional experience" they get is one of their brain trying to work out how on earth it can be acting so irrationally in just one aspect of their life when they demand so much more from other aspects.
This is nauseatingly uncomfortable - like you're watching something and knowing that what you're seeing just isn't right. It nags at you. Gnaws at your very root.
That's what the "emotional experience of faith" is.
At least to me.
Disgusting.
Nauseating.
Depressing.
Brain-not-working-properly kind of emotions.
:D
The brain can't survive without the heart.
Your mind, however clear, is never bereft of emotions. There is always an emotional element to the truth - whether religious or scientific.
Not so, what you are talking about is one's personal truth (subjective reality ;)).
wsionynw
01-09-08, 01:25 PM
I have a special place for atheists in my heart. I understand them well. I also understand Christians. Sure, Christians can be down right stupid. But, atheists are also missing out on the emotional experience of faith.
Not true, I used to believe in Father Christmas. and it made me very emotional on Xmas day.
Mastering your emotions is one of the best things you can do in childhood. It prevents MANY problems later on in life. That's what they teach young kids at Christian schools. Awesome...:bravo:
Mastering your emotions is one of the best things you can do in childhood. It prevents MANY problems later on in life. That's what they teach young kids at Christian schools. Awesome...:bravo:
They do not teach that. I have been to Christian schools all my life.
Praise be to God!
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Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 01:39 PM
I am not trying to convert you lot. I am only defending religion.
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M*W: If religion were true and factual, why does it need defending? It should speak for itself, but it doesn't. It should stand on its own merit, but it doesn't. Christianity is dying worldwide. That's why atheists don't buy into that crap. We can see it for what it is. You all are blind to reality and pretend you are gleefully happy because of Jesus. Cut the drama. Your religious addiction is delusional. We can see it. Why can't you?
You people think atheists are so unhappy, because we don't want to put up with your crap. The difference between us is that atheists know when we are happy, and we know why we are happy, and a lot of people and things in our lives make us happy. But you christians have a false sense of security. You've got to put up a false front with each other to reassure that false security of salvation. And you put on your happy faces for us to pretend that you have something over on us, but we can see right through your fake smiles! We are sad for you, really, even more than we are disgusted with your silliness.
Many of you have called us "bitter." But it is you who are trying to pretend you're not the bitter ones. For everything you say about us, it represents what's really going on in your irrational minds. You transfer your fears on us, and it just isn't working. We can still see through the veil of your delusions.
I think you are the ones who are afraid to be happy, and you are subconsciously wanting to believe that we are the unhappy ones, but it's not us, it's you.
We don't care if you ever embrace atheism. That's not what we are about. That is a personal journey that can take years of ruling out the religious addictions and delusions. Embracing atheism is an awakening. We can't teach you that. Only you can learn that for yourselves in your own time.
What we can do for you is provide you an awareness about your religious addictions. Sure, you don't want to hear it. Neither did we when we walked in your shoes, those of us who did. So, we understand how tightly you hold onto your beliefs. Your beliefs are like a baby's security blanket. We know that. There may have been a time when we were afraid to let go, too. But when we did, we realized that was the best thing we have ever done. We realized we could face the future without bearing false hope. We opened up a whole new dimension of awareness in our lives, and we were no longer afraid of personal failure as far as any supernatural being coming to judge us. This isn't self-righteousness--it's freedom from delusion, and that is just the beginning.
You may not like what we have to say, but we're not going to stop saying it just because it makes you uneasy. What you don't understand at this point is that if what we say makes you uneasy, you might want to question why you feel uneasy about it. We keep telling you the same thing over and over again, and you should question why we repeat ourselves.
You believe you know something that we don't, but the fact is that we know more about your religion(s) than you do! We were not afraid to learn about religious inconsistancies, because we knew we had nothing to lose (i.e. a sense of false hope of salvation), but neither do you have to worry about that. You just don't know it yet.
If you're feeling riled up right about now, ask yourself why this is bothering you so? What emotions have I triggered? What false promises have you been fed even by those who love you? Ask yourself why you are afraid of what I've said to you.
Hate us all you want, that's no problem. Maybe that emotion of hate will trigger an awareness in you to question everything I've said to you today. And I hope you do.
Sincerely,
Medicine*Woman
madanthonywayne
01-09-08, 01:40 PM
The point is that atheists don't seem content in their own disbelief. Why so many lawsuits from atheists over nativity scenes or whatever? If God is just another fictional character, why complain about it? Do you complain about statues of Ronald McDonald or Mickey Mouse? Do you file lawsuits if someone discuses Spongebob Squarepants at school?
Why does someone else's belief in God offend you so much? In God we Trust is on our currency. So what. If you are a nonbeliever, it's just a meaningless phrase. So what. No one is coming to your house and forcing you to go to church, stop trying to impose your minority viewpoint on the rest of society.
They do not teach that. I have been to Christian schools all my life.
They most certainly do. The best non-denominational schools are teaching kids exactly that--which explains why the kids are turning out so good despite some bad parenting...
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 01:46 PM
Christians are happier than atheists. You can see it in their eyes.
Numerous studies/surveys say the same thing:
http://www.cathnews.com/news/412/66.php
:yay:
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M*W: Since you haven't seen any of our eyes on this forum, you are talking out your ass.
I have seen many catholics with "ecstatic eyes." Look at all the saints and their eyes. It's a misleading trick. This is just another lie of christianity.
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 01:48 PM
But, atheists are also missing out on the emotional experience of faith.
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M*W: This is bs. We love life and everything in it, at least I do. You don't know me, so you still wouldn't understand.
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 01:49 PM
Maybe, but emotional experience is not based on truth.
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M*W: Amen.
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M*W: Since you haven't seen any of our eyes on this forum, you are talking out your ass.
I have seen many catholics with "ecstatic eyes." Look at all the saints and their eyes. It's a misleading trick. This is just another lie of christianity.
I'm not talking about people here. I'm talking about the hundreds of Christians I deal with on a daily/weekly basis.
You can talk cr@p against God all you want. We don't care anymore. :rolleyes:
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 01:50 PM
The brain can't survive without the heart.
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M*W: The heart can't survive without the brain.
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 01:52 PM
I'm not talking about people here. I'm talking about the hundreds of Christians I deal with on a daily/weekly basis.
You can talk cr@p against God all you want. We don't care anymore. :rolleyes:
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M*W: A christian typical untruth. You are seeing what you hope to see in their eyes to justify your own delusion.
I am sure overall that Theists are better adjusted, happier and more at ease. I have observed this in many variations. There are reasons for this which are beyond the scope of this thread.
We don't care if you ever embrace atheism. That's not what we are about. That is a personal journey that can take years of ruling out the religious addictions and delusions. Embracing atheism is an awakening. We can't teach you that. Only you can learn that for yourselves in your own time.
How can having no beliefs be an awakening. It is a theory but how is this enlightenment? Supported by the fact that Atheism is unproven and unprovable, possibly never will be known to mortals.
That is if one were to believe you are an Atheist, i think most Atheist are actually agnostic but for some reason they dont reveal this. I am not sure what M*W is.
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M*W: A christian typical untruth. You are seeing what you hope to see in their eyes to justify your own delusion.
Nope. There is a glow, a light that is on in someone's eyes when they're a believer. There's a darkness, a hardness when they're not. Look at criminals. Perfect example.
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M*W: If religion were true and factual, why does it need defending? It should speak for itself, but it doesn't. It should stand on its own merit, but it doesn't. Christianity is dying worldwide. That's why atheists don't buy into that crap. We can see it for what it is. You all are blind to reality and pretend you are gleefully happy because of Jesus. Cut the drama. Your religious addiction is delusional. We can see it. Why can't you?
You people think atheists are so unhappy, because we don't want to put up with your crap. The difference between us is that atheists know when we are happy, and we know why we are happy, and a lot of people and things in our lives make us happy. But you christians have a false sense of security. You've got to put up a false front with each other to reassure that false security of salvation. And you put on your happy faces for us to pretend that you have something over on us, but we can see right through your fake smiles! We are sad for you, really, even more than we are disgusted with your silliness.
Many of you have called us "bitter." But it is you who are trying to pretend you're not the bitter ones. For everything you say about us, it represents what's really going on in your irrational minds. You transfer your fears on us, and it just isn't working. We can still see through the veil of your delusions.
I think you are the ones who are afraid to be happy, and you are subconsciously wanting to believe that we are the unhappy ones, but it's not us, it's you.
We don't care if you ever embrace atheism. That's not what we are about. That is a personal journey that can take years of ruling out the religious addictions and delusions. Embracing atheism is an awakening. We can't teach you that. Only you can learn that for yourselves in your own time.
What we can do for you is provide you an awareness about your religious addictions. Sure, you don't want to hear it. Neither did we when we walked in your shoes, those of us who did. So, we understand how tightly you hold onto your beliefs. Your beliefs are like a baby's security blanket. We know that. There may have been a time when we were afraid to let go, too. But when we did, we realized that was the best thing we have ever done. We realized we could face the future without bearing false hope. We opened up a whole new dimension of awareness in our lives, and we were no longer afraid of personal failure as far as any supernatural being coming to judge us. This isn't self-righteousness--it's freedom from delusion, and that is just the beginning.
You may not like what we have to say, but we're not going to stop saying it just because it makes you uneasy. What you don't understand at this point is that if what we say makes you uneasy, you might want to question why you feel uneasy about it. We keep telling you the same thing over and over again, and you should question why we repeat ourselves.
You believe you know something that we don't, but the fact is that we know more about your religion(s) than you do! We were not afraid to learn about religious inconsistancies, because we knew we had nothing to lose (i.e. a sense of false hope of salvation), but neither do you have to worry about that. You just don't know it yet.
If you're feeling riled up right about now, ask yourself why this is bothering you so? What emotions have I triggered? What false promises have you been fed even by those who love you? Ask yourself why you are afraid of what I've said to you.
Hate us all you want, that's no problem. Maybe that emotion of hate will trigger an awareness in you to question everything I've said to you today. And I hope you do.
Sincerely,
Medicine*Woman
This is a perfect example of a pissy atheist.
AMEN!!! :bravo:
Yet she says "one with God" in her bio. :rolleyes:
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M*W: The heart can't survive without the brain.
Tell that to those on life support with only a vegetable for a brain.
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 01:59 PM
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M*W: If religion were true and factual, why does it need defending? It should speak for itself, but it doesn't. It should stand on its own merit, but it doesn't. Christianity is dying worldwide. That's why atheists don't buy into that crap. We can see it for what it is. You all are blind to reality and pretend you are gleefully happy because of Jesus. Cut the drama. Your religious addiction is delusional. We can see it. Why can't you?
You people think atheists are so unhappy, because we don't want to put up with your crap. The difference between us is that atheists know when we are happy, and we know why we are happy, and a lot of people and things in our lives make us happy. But you christians have a false sense of security. You've got to put up a false front with each other to reassure that false security of salvation. And you put on your happy faces for us to pretend that you have something over on us, but we can see right through your fake smiles! We are sad for you, really, even more than we are disgusted with your silliness.
Many of you have called us "bitter." But it is you who are trying to pretend you're not the bitter ones. For everything you say about us, it represents what's really going on in your irrational minds. You transfer your fears on us, and it just isn't working. We can still see through the veil of your delusions.
I think you are the ones who are afraid to be happy, and you are subconsciously wanting to believe that we are the unhappy ones, but it's not us, it's you.
We don't care if you ever embrace atheism. That's not what we are about. That is a personal journey that can take years of ruling out the religious addictions and delusions. Embracing atheism is an awakening. We can't teach you that. Only you can learn that for yourselves in your own time.
What we can do for you is provide you an awareness about your religious addictions. Sure, you don't want to hear it. Neither did we when we walked in your shoes, those of us who did. So, we understand how tightly you hold onto your beliefs. Your beliefs are like a baby's security blanket. We know that. There may have been a time when we were afraid to let go, too. But when we did, we realized that was the best thing we have ever done. We realized we could face the future without bearing false hope. We opened up a whole new dimension of awareness in our lives, and we were no longer afraid of personal failure as far as any supernatural being coming to judge us. This isn't self-righteousness--it's freedom from delusion, and that is just the beginning.
You may not like what we have to say, but we're not going to stop saying it just because it makes you uneasy. What you don't understand at this point is that if what we say makes you uneasy, you might want to question why you feel uneasy about it. We keep telling you the same thing over and over again, and you should question why we repeat ourselves.
You believe you know something that we don't, but the fact is that we know more about your religion(s) than you do! We were not afraid to learn about religious inconsistancies, because we knew we had nothing to lose (i.e. a sense of false hope of salvation), but neither do you have to worry about that. You just don't know it yet.
If you're feeling riled up right about now, ask yourself why this is bothering you so? What emotions have I triggered? What false promises have you been fed even by those who love you? Ask yourself why you are afraid of what I've said to you.
Hate us all you want, that's no problem. Maybe that emotion of hate will trigger an awareness in you to question everything I've said to you today. And I hope you do.
Sincerely,
Medicine*Woman
:bravo:
-Thats why I prefer eastern religions over western. In former you have the keys within you to understanding and harmony through exploration, in latter ones you are told to what to believe and if you dont, burn in hell !!! :D LOL
"A tree as big around as you can reach starts with a small seed; a thousand mile journey starts with one small step."
Lao-Tse
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 02:00 PM
I am sure overall that Theists are better adjusted, happier and more at ease. I have observed this in many variations. There are reasons for this which are beyond the scope of this thread.
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M*W: John, can you provide some links/statistics on these variations? I would like to see your references.
How can having no beliefs be an awakening. It is a theory but how is this enlightenment? Supported by the fact that Atheism is unproven and unprovable, possibly never will be known to mortals.
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M*W: It's an awakening, because you learn the truth. When you learn the truth, you can see the lies.
That is if one were to believe you are an Atheist, i think most Atheist are actually agnostic but for some reason they dont reveal this. I am not sure what M*W is.
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M*W: I was an agnostic at one time, when I first came to sciforums, but I am now an atheist. Simply, "agnostic" means "without knowledge." "Atheist" means "without a god." The reality of it is, everyone is "atheist," but they just don't know it.
Defiant
01-09-08, 02:01 PM
hey Why?, Could you put the following in a list according to likability for you:
Muslims, atheists, scientologist, Jehova witness, hindus, Thanks....
American atheists are pissier than European atheists, probably because they have to put up with way more bullshit. Hell, 40% of England is non-believer.
Hindus, Muslims, scientologists, Jehova witnesses and then, atheists.
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 02:13 PM
Hindus, Muslims, scientologists, Jehova witnesses and then, atheists.
No Jainism on your list ? :confused:
"They are expected to follow five principles of living:
-Ahimsa: "non violence in all parts of a person -- mental, verbal and physical." 3 Committing an act of violence against a human, animal, or even vegetable generates negative karma which in turn adversely affects one's next life.
-Satya: speaking truth; avoiding falsehood
-Asteya: to not steal from others
-Brahma-charya: (soul conduct); remaining sexually monogamous to one's spouse only
-Aparigraha: detach from people, places and material things. Avoiding the collection of excessive material possessions, abstaining from over-indulgence, restricting one's needs, etc.
-Jains follow a vegetarian diet. (At least one information source incorrectly states that they follow a frutarian diet -- the practice of only eating that which will not kill the plant or animal from which it is taken. e.g. milk, fruit, nuts.)
-They often read their sacred texts daily.
-Jains are recommended to pass through four stages during their lifetime:
-Brahmacharya-ashrama: the life of a student
-Gruhasth-ashrama: family life
-Vanaprasth-ashrama: family and social services
-Sanyast-ashrama: life as a monk; a period of renunciation"
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 02:17 PM
AMEN!!! :bravo:
Yet she says "one with God" in her bio. :rolleyes:
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M*W: Yes, I did say that a few years ago when I came to sciforums. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll delete that immediately!
I've been a devout Christian my whole life. No devil from hell will ever make ME change my mind/heart.
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 02:26 PM
As long as you are happy thats okay, but beware what is done in the name of your God.
spidergoat
01-09-08, 02:54 PM
I have issues with religion, but not (for the most part) with the people that believe in it. Most of my friends have been Christians of some sort or another. I don't care what you personally believe if it helps you. I support diversity of religious and philosophical thought, the more the better.
Or you could just click on this .. image on the post you want to quote.
If you want to quote several posts click on .. on every post you want to quote and after the last one, click on .. on any one of them to reply.
Show off !! With your fancy buttons and all.. ! :p
I think he meant portions of posts though. Oh well, both work :)
They most certainly do. The best non-denominational schools are teaching kids exactly that--which explains why the kids are turning out so good despite some bad parenting...
Why have I never heard of it then ? I must not be a Christian thing then but more like a local initiative.
Incriminating Convoy
01-09-08, 02:58 PM
All the atheists that I know were not pissy whatsoever. I don't know where you Christians, Muslims, and other theistic religions get off on this idea. You make it seem as though all atheists are unhappy and shit like that, not true. Is this your ignorance based on your own beliefs or your ignorance based upon your blind faith?
Nope. There is a glow, a light that is on in someone's eyes when they're a believer. There's a darkness, a hardness when they're not. Look at criminals. Perfect example.
Don't start on that, you might be disappointed..
Why have I never heard of it then ? I must not be a Christian thing then but more like a local initiative.
Maybe you were thinking of denominational schools like Catholic? They don't teach mastering your emotions. Most teach fear and guilt.
Tell that to those on life support with only a vegetable for a brain.
Ever heard of a Cardiopulmonary bypass ? :rolleyes:
Incriminating Convoy
01-09-08, 03:00 PM
Don't start on that, you might be disappointed..
Just imagine if she found out that the Protestant United States Government is full of criminals!
Maybe you were thinking of denominational schools like Catholic? They don't teach mastering your emotions. Most teach fear and guilt.
No, I went to Christian schools. And I know lots and lots of people that went to other Christian schools, I'm sure I would have heard it from them if anything like that was taught there.
To be honest it sounds kind of creepy.. can you elaborate on those teachings ?
Maybe it's more like an American thing. As far as I know we have nothing like that here in The Netherlands.
Talking about what's a choice to make for us:
illusion of "truth" for the sake of the better or the real "truth" were nothing is known precisely to assume anything?
Christians do feel better ... but that's what it seems to us as observers, however do Christians really feel better after all or is that a side-effect of their social events and gatherings that make people feel together and happy. perhaps the key here is to have such social events for atheists as well under common understanding of Scientology perhaps so that atheists experience the same social healing effect as theists experience.
Hindus, Muslims, scientologists, Jehova witnesses and then, atheists.
Nice... :bawl:
I on the other hand couldn't even begin to make such a list. I have no preferences, they are all people.
Although I must say that Scientology is particularly stupid.
spidergoat
01-09-08, 03:05 PM
Nope. There is a glow, a light that is on in someone's eyes when they're a believer.
I'm sure that's what people said about that devout churchgoer, the BTK killer.
I've been a devout Christian my whole life. No devil from hell will ever make ME change my mind/heart.
Your WHOLE life ? So you didn't make a conscious choice to become Christian then ? You were indoctrinated.. i see..
SnakeLord
01-09-08, 03:11 PM
Christians are happier than atheists. You can see it in their eyes.
Numerous studies/surveys say the same thing
Catholic news... that's a real non-biased source you have there lol.
AMEN!!!
Tell me Sandy, why are you calling an Egyptian god?
Talk about facists. Atheists want everyone to believe the same hopeless spell they have fallen under.
You've got that backward. Christians are the ones running around telling everyone, "You need to believe in and worship MY God or you're going to hell."
I don't even claim an affirmative disbelief in your God, only a lack of belief based on the lack of evidence for such a being. If you want me to believe in your God and worship him/her then prove there is such a God. Until then the Christians need to shut up and quit telling non-believers they're going to hell over some fairy tale they can't provide any evidence for.
Nice... :bawl:
I on the other hand couldn't even begin to make such a list. I have no preferences, they are all people.
Although I must say that Scientology is particularly stupid.
Of course, I am just grossly characterizing and stereotyping, but if the shoe fits . . .
You've got that backward. Christians are the ones running around telling everyone, "You need to believe in and worship MY God or you're going to hell."
I don't even claim an affirmative disbelief in your God, only a lack of belief based on the lack of evidence for such a being. If you want me to believe in your God and worship him/her then prove there is such a God. Until then the Christians need to shut up and quit telling non-believers they're going to hell over some fairy tale they can't provide any evidence for.
God doesn't exist for the non-believer, and thus I cannot prove His existence to you.
Of course, I am just grossly characterizing and stereotyping, but if the shoe fits . . .
What do you mean 'if the shoe fits' ?
God doesn't exist for the non-believer, and thus I cannot prove His existence to you.
Convenient.. especially since you made that up yourself.
God doesn't exist for the non-believer, and thus I cannot prove His existence to you.
You can't PROVE its existence to anyone, can you?
By the way, can someone please explain to me exactly how I go about placing someone else's quote in my comment box?
jesus prolly could.....ask him and you shal find your answer!
Incriminating Convoy
01-09-08, 03:34 PM
God doesn't exist for the non-believer, and thus I cannot prove His existence to you.
Isn't it your job to preach the word of God and make him exist for the non-believer? :shrug:
Isn't it your job to preach the word of God and make him exist for the non-believer? :shrug:
Yes. But, he asks for scientific proof. That I can't give him because it's not there (with perhaps the exception of miracles - but miracles don't lend themselves to repetition in the laboratory).
just a curiousity.......why use labels? Athiest, christain, catholic, agnostic, etc.........all it does it make you "conform" your beliefs to that specific label and its definition.
If you truely do think for youself you cannot be labeled........unless your TRUE personal thoughts represent 100% accuracy with the label......which I highly highly doubt......
Sandy,
They DESPISE anyone's happiness--especially if it's rooted in God, as foolish.Atheists disbelieve for many reasons, what you can’t do is assign a single dogma to them in the same way that can be done for Christians. I am sure some people despise the happiness of others and express cynicism for such things. I see no reason to think that that personality tendency is more likely to be atheistic than theistic.
Perhaps you could substantiate your claim that all atheists despise happiness. I doubt you can since what I observe in your statement is Christian propaganda and the result of your indoctrination – i.e. you have been taught to despise others that do not think like you and that they are somehow sub-standard humans.
Down in the mud? Most of us are deliriously happyApart from the millions of Christians who experience depression and guilt about their believed sinful nature. But unfortunately being happy doesn’t relate to knowing truth. Perhaps being deliriously happy by being convinced a fantasy is true has some value if happiness was the sole goal for humanity. Christian happiness is as relevant to truth as the person who is only happy when they are drunk.
Being happy doesn’t mean a great deal if the reality we face isn’t particularly fortuitous for us. It is easy to be happy when you are healthy but how would you feel when wracked with pain from the cancer moments before you die. The world is full of real challenges for humanity and burying your head in the sand and choosing to be happy by believing a fantasy is simply irresponsibility towards the rest of humanity.
Convert me to what? I'm already a born-again Christian. There is nothing better.I hope you realize that such a declaration is in effect an admission of true closed-mindedness, i.e. God is the only answer and you don’t care what anyone else says.
We don't have to prove anything. Not to you or anyone else. On a 1-10 happiness scale, I am a 777,777,777,777!Many drunk people find happiness as well, so what’s your point. Now – discovering truth might be worth being happy about – but you only have faith and that is no indicator of truth.
Yes, that too. And mentally, physically, emotionally, financially, romantically, socially, spiritually.....Just like many atheists who achieve the same.
What a wonderful life!I understand many inmates in mental institutions suffering from delusion are equally happy. What does that say for you, what’s the difference?
And you are a prime example of why many choose Christianity.Isn’t that a prissy statement.
No. It's called reality. And you HATE that. You HATE that someone can be so happy. Better to wallow in misery, huh?You seem to be very confused. There is nothing that says reality is something to be happy about. And remember this strange idea you have that atheists hate people being happy is a result of your twisted indoctrination.
Christians are happier than atheists. You can see it in their eyes.Just like happy drunks, right?
Numerous studies/surveys say the same thing:
http://www.cathnews.com/news/412/66.php
How is one link numerous? And if the one link is Christian quoting Christian propaganda then your claim is more than suspicious.
Mastering your emotions is one of the best things you can do in childhood. It prevents MANY problems later on in life. That's what they teach young kids at Christian schools. Awesome...Religious schools do not teach control of emotions, but rather they exaggerate and stimulate emotionalism. Religious belief is entirely an emotional reaction to fantasy propositions. The alternative with logic and reason and religious teaching does not touch that.
They most certainly do. The best non-denominational schools are teaching kids exactly that--which explains why the kids are turning out so good despite some bad parenting...Hmm, the USA, is one of the most religious countries in the world and has one of highest crime rates – clearly religion is doing a grand job. Perhaps all the crime is due to the few atheists? Hmm, except that US prison stats show atheists comprise less than the usual percentage compared to the outside population.
You can talk cr@p against God all you want. We don't care anymore.Oops – yet another prissy statement.
Nope. There is a glow, a light that is on in someone's eyes when they're a believer. It’s called emotionalism.
There's a darkness, a hardness when they're not. When rationality attempts to assert itself.
Look at criminals. Perfect example.And prison stats – prisons full of believers.
nova900
01-09-08, 03:39 PM
-Thats why I prefer eastern religions over western. In former you have the keys within you to understanding and harmony through exploration, in latter ones you are told to what to believe and if you dont, burn in hell !!! :D LOL
Lao-Tse[/B]
Yep, I see eye to eye with you here.
Let's face it. The concept of God has been used successfully by unscrupulous people for centuries now.
Although the NT does contain(in my opinion) a lot of good spiritual content, it's the idealogies and dogma within it that most fundies dwell on, not many of the finer teachings attributed to Jesus.
Salvation,hell for non Christians, God having a tantrum over atheists and condemning them to eternal hell, Gods hangup about homosexuality, judement day,etc..all these things seem to dominate most of the Christian programs I see..most not all of course.
What do you mean 'if the shoe fits' ?
If the persons labeling themselves as members of these particular groups happen to fit those stereotypes, than the shoe fits - doesn't it?
just a curiousity.......why use labels? Athiest, christain, catholic, agnostic, etc.........all it does it make you "conform" your beliefs to that specific label and its definition.
If you truely do think for youself you cannot be labeled........unless your TRUE personal thoughts represent 100% accuracy with the label......which I highly highly doubt......
Why use words - afterall they don't describe reality with 100% accuracy?
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 03:42 PM
God doesn't exist for the non-believer, and thus I cannot prove His existence to you.
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M*W: Then just prove it to other christians as fact not faith, and the evidence you provide should convince us as well. You are just being silly by saying you can't prove god's existence to us. If god is really god, we would all know and not doubt.
Hmm, the USA, is one of the most religious countries in the world and has one of highest crime rates – clearly religion is doing a grand job. Perhaps all the crime is due to the few atheists? Hmm, except that US prison stats show atheists comprise less than the usual percentage compared to the outside population.
And prison stats – prisons full of believers.
Yep, that's what I was getting at :D
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 03:44 PM
Isn't it your job to preach the word of God and make him exist for the non-believer? :shrug:
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M*W: Something tells me they don't truly believe what they claim to believe.
sandy,
I've been a devout Christian my whole life. No devil from hell will ever make ME change my mind/heart.Its about time then you opened your mind and examined the real world, outside of your safe sheep-like fantasy.
If the persons labeling themselves as members of these particular groups happen to fit those stereotypes, than the shoe fits - doesn't it?
Not a lot of atheists label themselves atheist though.. this is a misconception. It's mainly used by theists..
Edit: or in relation with theists.
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M*W: Then just prove it to other christians as fact not faith, and the evidence you provide should convince us as well. You are just being silly by saying you can't prove god's existence to us. If god is really god, we would all know and not doubt.
Not if God didn't want you non-believers to know and not doubt.
Why use words - afterall they don't describe reality with 100% accuracy?
As I agree they don't no one has found a better way to communicate........
are you saying your label as christain or whatever you are......is an accurate communication to others what you believe?
Be honest.....no where in your mind can you concieve the possibility god doesnt exist? or that your Label is for the most part false? If not that would imply you know everything.....do you really believe you know everything? If so you truely are a fool......and your label will reflect that.
Not if God didn't want you non-believers to know and not doubt.
And what EVIDENCE do you have that makes you think there is a GOD?
cosmictraveler
01-09-08, 03:47 PM
Talk about facists. Atheists want everyone to believe the same hopeless spell they have fallen under.
I don't believe its a hopeless case at all. I just think that those in charge, mostly religious people, only want things done "their" way and if "they" don't get what they want then they themselves get pissed off and take it out on others. That's why many wars start as well as local problems where you live and work.
mikenostic
01-09-08, 03:48 PM
When you are continually surrounded by deluded people who believe outlandish shit, it would make you cranky too.
I liken being surrounded by theists, to dating a moody, irrational, neurotic woman who refuses to listen to reason or logic.
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M*W: Something tells me they don't truly believe what they claim to believe.
Now, that's a good point. There are degrees of faith. Mine isn't particularly strong. That's why I'm not trying to convert you heathen. But, that's my failing - not God's.
Not if God didn't want you non-believers to know and not doubt.
Didn't God say that ALL people are His children ? Why would he not want non-believers to know that ? We are the lost sheep is it not ? Save us..
As I agree they don't no one has found a better way to communicate........
are you saying your label as christain or whatever you are......is an accurate communication to others what you believe?
Be honest.....no where in your mind can you concieve the possibility god doesnt exist? or that your Label is for the most part false? If not that would imply you know everything.....do you really believe you know everything? If so you truely are a fool......and your label will reflect that.
I believe God doesn't exist for you. Is that close enough for you?
And what EVIDENCE do you have that makes you think there is a GOD?
I don't need evidence. My heart tells me its true. Evidence is for the non-believer, who I believe rightly believes God doesn't exist (but only for them).
I have never known anyone to turn bad from being a Christian, i know that it has saved a lot of people. Regardless of the reasons. This seems to apply to mostly all mainstream belief systems.
Extremism is more of a personal phenomenon than a religious one. Whatever works for people, i know it is impossible for me to be an Atheist. So it does not matter what i read or experience from now on, will not change. I have accepted this part of my humanity and the part of me that lives unseen.
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 03:52 PM
Tool - Opiate
Choices always were a problem for you.
What you need is someone strong to guide you.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow,
what you need is someone strong to use you..
like me,
like me.
If you want to get your soul to heaven,
trust in me .
Don't judge or question.
You are broken now ,
but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow.
Let me lay my holy hand upon you.
My Gods will
becomes me.
When he speaks out,
he speaks through me.
He has needs
like I do.
We both want
to rape you.
Jesus Christ, why don't you come save my life.
Open my eyes and blind me with your light
and your lies.
mikenostic
01-09-08, 03:52 PM
sandy,
Its about time then you opened your mind and examined the real world, outside of your safe sheep-like fantasy.
Dude,
You might as well be trying to talk some sense into one of these....
http://dcartnews.blogspot.com/Ball-Stump.jpg
I used to get aggravated at theists' delusional thinking, but now I just ignore them when I can. However, sometimes one of them (won't name any names) will just say something so fucking stupid, I wish I was able to reach through the screen and punch them in the mouth.
If I have any negative or condescending thoughts, I just keep them to myself (this only applies in person, definitely not here).
i know it is impossible for me to be an Atheist.
Even if one day scientists prove beyond any doubt that God doesn't exist ?
Didn't God say that ALL people are His children ? Why would he not want non-believers to know that ? We are the lost sheep is it not ? Save us..
No, God didn't say that.
Dude,
You might as well be trying to talk some sense into one of these....
http://dcartnews.blogspot.com/Ball-Stump.jpg
I used to get aggravated at theists' delusional thinking, but now I just ignore them when I can. However, sometimes one of them (won't name any names) will just say something so fucking stupid, I wish I was able to reach through the screen and punch them in the mouth.
If I have any negative or condescending thoughts, I just keep them to myself (this only applies in person, definitely not here).
Or this:
http://www.pixelhivedesign.com/Tutorials/tutorial_011/brick_wall.jpg
or yourself.
Just look into a mirror reflection
We are all mirror reflection of our souls...our actions are reflections of our souls...every object that we see, touch, smell is reflection of ourselves
http://www.reflectiononthejourney.com/images/reflections.jpg
or yourself.
Just look into a mirror reflection
..sigh, Draq... why? WHY ? :poke:
or yourself.
Just look into a mirror reflection
We are all mirror reflection of our souls...our actions are reflections of our souls...every object that we see, touch, smell is reflection of ourselves
http://www.reflectiononthejourney.com/images/reflections.jpg
I don't believe in any soul.. sorry.
No, God didn't say that.
I thought Jesus and God were the same.. :bugeye:
I don't believe in any soul.. sorry.
than what do you believe in? than what are you to believe in anything but yourself? than how can you be yourself to know not who you are?
everything is reflection of us, you and I, you and others, others and I...we are all the same.
mikenostic
01-09-08, 04:00 PM
Or this:
http://www.pixelhivedesign.com/Tutorials/tutorial_011/brick_wall.jpg
HAHAHAHA...I almost included a pic of a brick wall in my stump post but I figured the stump would be enough to get my point across.
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 04:02 PM
I have never known anyone to turn bad from being a Christian, i know that it has saved a lot of people. Regardless of the reasons. This seems to apply to mostly all mainstream belief systems.
-People whom have major problems in their lives often find comfort and happiness from whatever church, and it is fine if it works for them.
-But when someone claims that hes God is better than others, thats the problem, and the fundamentalists arises from both sides.
-I dont have problem with religious people what ever their religion might be as long as they dont start to sending me to hell. :cool:
An atheist can't save you.
Tell that to someone whose life has been saved in an operating theatre ! Some surgeons are atheists.
than what do you believe in? than what are you to believe in anything but yourself? than how can you be yourself to know not who you are?
http://www.lodestar2.com/images/winter-reflections-w.jpg
everything is reflection of us, you and I, you and others, other and I...we are all the same.
I don't believe in anything. And being who I am doesn't require any soul. Unless you use some alternative definition of soul..
Now, that's a good point. There are degrees of faith. Mine isn't particularly strong. That's why I'm not trying to convert you heathen. But, that's my failing - not God's.
Am I the only one to find it preposterous and beyond naive to think or be convinced there is a universal "WAY" that everything runs? GOD, Science, whatever the hell you want to call it.
I'm going to create a new religion.....
Its going to be called "Thruthiests"
and our motto will be "we don’t know shit"
Because that’s the closest thing to a true unbiased/non delusional/loony religion this world will ever see.
All these people claiming ownership to truth within their religions…..its INSANE…
GOD EXISTS!
NO HE DOESN’T!
YES HE DOES!
NO!
YES!
Christains/Catholics claim truth in KNOWING god exists.
Atheists claim truth as well in claiming they KNOW god does not exist. But at least they are more open to saying they honestly don’t know……there is no atheist bible….there are no huge atheist churches taking in tax free profits and donations. Some atheists I know just label themselves atheist because you can’t prove to them god exists……
The non-subscription to a belief is better than the blind subscription to something.
The only true religion is mine…the one where you don’t know shit…..cuz you really don’t. So join me and end the madness…lol
Not if God didn't want you non-believers to know and not doubt.
Are you saying god created non-believers ?
-People whom have major problems in their lives often find comfort and happiness from whatever church, and it is fine if it works for them.
-But when someone claims that hes God is better than others, thats the problem, and the fundamentalists arises from both sides.
-I dont have problem with religious people what ever their religion might be as long as they dont start to sending me to hell. :cool:
I agree.
Even if one day scientists prove beyond any doubt that God doesn't exist ?
How can that happen? I dont think that will ever happen anyway and what would be the point in knowing either way? I never personally identified "GOD".
How can that happen? I dont think that will ever happen anyway and what would be the point in knowing either way? I never personally identified "GOD".
than do identify what others identified as "GOD"...
How can that happen? I dont think that will ever happen anyway and what would be the point in knowing either way? I never personally identified "GOD".
I don't know how, but it was a hypothetical question of course.
Can you please answer ?
I thought Jesus and God were the same.. :bugeye:
Where did Jesus say we are all God's children?
I thought Jesus and God were the same.. :bugeye:
You forgot the Holy Spirit.
Dude,
However, sometimes one of them (won't name any names) will just say something so fucking stupid, I wish I was able to reach through the screen and punch them in the mouth.
If I have any negative or condescending thoughts, I just keep them to myself (this only applies in person, definitely not here).
You mean here Mike? I know i am annoying sometimes but in person i am ultra cool.
Where did Jesus say we are all God's children?
In the bible ? :rolleyes:
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 04:08 PM
Am I the only one to find it preposterous and beyond naive to think or be convinced there is a universal "WAY" that everything runs? GOD, Science, whatever the hell you want to call it.
I'm going to create a new religion.....
The only true religion is mine…the one where you don’t know shit…..cuz you really don’t. So join me and end the madness…lol
-I´m in ! :cheers:
Are you saying god created non-believers ?
No. If God doesn't exist for the non-believer - God didn't create them.
Where did Jesus say we are all God's children?
Well, if he crerated us that surely makes us his children. Or do you think we were created by another agent ?
No. If God doesn't exist for the non-believer - God didn't create them.
Then who did ?
so G-spot is really theists' Achilles heel?
No. If God doesn't exist for the non-believer - God didn't create them.
Who did ?
than what do you believe in? than what are you to believe in anything but yourself? than how can you be yourself to know not who you are?
everything is reflection of us, you and I, you and others, others and I...we are all the same.
You speak for yourself.
mikenostic
01-09-08, 04:13 PM
You mean here Mike? I know i am annoying sometimes but in person i am ultra cool.
Yeah, I meant here, but I meant myself. I meant I have no problem speaking my mind on here; but this is kinda what this site is for, for open discussion.
You speak for yourself.
indeed I do. answer the questions I posted.
stretched
01-09-08, 04:16 PM
"They DESPISE anyone's happiness--especially if it's rooted in God, as foolish."
Perhaps they understand the concept of "honesty". You really have to take off your pajamas.
mikenostic
01-09-08, 04:23 PM
Am I the only one to find it preposterous and beyond naive to think or be convinced there is a universal "WAY" that everything runs? GOD, Science, whatever the hell you want to call it.
I'm going to create a new religion.....
Its going to be called "Thruthiests"
and our motto will be "we don’t know shit"
Because that’s the closest thing to a true unbiased/non delusional/loony religion this world will ever see.
All these people claiming ownership to truth within their religions…..its INSANE…
GOD EXISTS!
NO HE DOESN’T!
YES HE DOES!
NO!
YES!
Christains/Catholics claim truth in KNOWING god exists.
Atheists claim truth as well in claiming they KNOW god does not exist. But at least they are more open to saying they honestly don’t know……there is no atheist bible….there are no huge atheist churches taking in tax free profits and donations. Some atheists I know just label themselves atheist because you can’t prove to them god exists……
The non-subscription to a belief is better than the blind subscription to something.
The only true religion is mine…the one where you don’t know shit…..cuz you really don’t. So join me and end the madness…lol
Sorry to rain on your parade but someone already beat you to that; that's more or less agnosticism dude.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agnosticism
1. a religious orientation of doubt; a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God; "agnosticism holds that you can neither prove nor disprove God's existence"
2. the disbelief in any claims of ultimate knowledge
That basically means we don't know shit.
Perhaps they understand the concept of "honesty". You really have to take off your pajamas.
I really dont see why people here feel that delusion is limited to religion. Delusion keeps the wheels moving.
What is the answer?
You get a different response from everyone yet an Atheist says there is nothing. Well how do you know? Then they say 'i know because...' But they dont know. Delusion may be a strong word but clearly extrapolation. But of course i hate to call people deluded. EVEN if they may be.
shichimenshyo
01-09-08, 04:28 PM
....I'm pissy!?!? neat!!!
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 04:36 PM
Sorry to rain on your parade but someone already beat you to that; that's more or less agnosticism dude.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agnosticism
That basically means we don't know shit.
-Thats okay, lets keep everything same but just put something on pedestal, lets say...hmmm, piece of a rock, and there you have it, a new religion :D ;)
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 04:43 PM
Not if God didn't want you non-believers to know and not doubt.
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M*W: But that goes against everything christianity teaches. I was taught as a christian that god wants everyone to believe in him, and he would certainly give them every opportunity (if he existed), but he doesn't, that's why you are so confused.
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 04:46 PM
Now, that's a good point. There are degrees of faith. Mine isn't particularly strong. That's why I'm not trying to convert you heathen. But, that's my failing - not God's.
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M*W: I somehow got that impression. Thank you for being honest.
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M*W: But that goes against everything christianity teaches. I was taught as a christian that god wants everyone to believe in him, and he would certainly give them every opportunity (if he existed), but he doesn't, that's why you are so confused.
There is a big difference between belief and knowing.
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 05:00 PM
I have never known anyone to turn bad from being a Christian, i know that it has saved a lot of people. Regardless of the reasons. This seems to apply to mostly all mainstream belief systems.
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M*W: Re-read Cris's recent post where he comments on the statistics of the number of christians in prison as compared to number of atheists in prison.
John, how do you know a lot of people have been saved? Have they come back from the grave and told you? No, you're just wishfully thinking it.
Extremism is more of a personal phenomenon than a religious one. Whatever works for people, i know it is impossible for me to be an Atheist. So it does not matter what i read or experience from now on, will not change. I have accepted this part of my humanity and the part of me that lives unseen.
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M*W: No one here is trying to force you to be an atheist. Only you are in control of what you believe--or you choose to believe and not be threatened by what atheists or anyone else believes.
John, what did you mean by your statement, "I have accepted this part of my humanity and the part of me that lives unseen." It sounds like you have a lot of self-doubt. I wish you well.
visceral_instinct
01-09-08, 05:03 PM
Maybe because we get PISSED OFF at being harassed just for not believing in God, despite that it is no one else's business?
Sandy: I do not despise people's happiness. Christians seems to despise my happiness. Flame/Insult Removed
John, what did you mean by your statement, "I have accepted this part of my humanity and the part of me that lives unseen." It sounds like you have a lot of self-doubt. I wish you well.
Has nothing to do with cognition so where did self doubt come from?
And read my post 168, everyone conveniently ignores my posts when they are outstanding.
shichimenshyo
01-09-08, 05:05 PM
Sandy: I do not despise people's happiness. Christians seems to despise my happiness. Go die of cancer, you right-wing fascist.
See athiests aren't pissy. :D
Maybe because we get PISSED OFF at being harassed just for not believing in God, despite that it is no one else's business?
Sandy: I do not despise people's happiness. Christians seems to despise my happiness. Go die of cancer, you right-wing fascist.
Cant you just set a good example for the Atheists?
mikenostic
01-09-08, 05:08 PM
There is a big difference between belief and knowing.
But the problem is, you have many people/representatives from every single religion that absolutely KNOWS that his/her religion/beliefs/messiah are real.
There can be only one truth.
Sorry to rain on your parade but someone already beat you to that; that's more or less agnosticism dude.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agnosticism
That basically means we don't know shit.
ahh damn......i didnt KNOW about that lol......
visceral_instinct
01-09-08, 05:13 PM
Cant you just set a good example for the Atheists?
Why can Sandy not set a good example for the theists?
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 05:17 PM
No. If God doesn't exist for the non-believer - God didn't create them.
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M*W: Again, you discount what is taught by christianity. Not that I personally care, you've proven what I've been saying all along. But I'm just curious. If your god didn't create everything, the universe and everything in it, where do atheists come from? I'll answer that. We spring out of the lies of your false religions... the ones you have created. So if you look deep within the eyes of your fellow believers, you can see where we came from. We're no different than you, we just don't need your fantasies.
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 05:20 PM
There is a big difference between belief and knowing.
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M*W: Yes there is. Theists believe. Atheists know.
visceral_instinct
01-09-08, 05:22 PM
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M*W: Yes there is. Theists believe. Atheists know.
Bollocks. Why do you feel the need to have a go at all atheists?
But the problem is, you have many people/representatives from every single religion that absolutely KNOWS that his/her religion/beliefs/messiah are real.
There can be only one truth.
The truth is that every indication points to theistic belief system. It is part of our civilization and past civilizations. I dont come on here and advocate one belief over another. Whatever i identify with more is only natural, they do have similarities and that can mean many things.
Why can Sandy not set a good example for the theists?
I dont know but you will probably be hearing about it.:D
mikenostic
01-09-08, 05:30 PM
Why can Sandy not set a good example for the theists?
Sandy doesn't even set a good example for Christians, let alone athiests.
The truth is that every indication points to theistic belief system. It is part of our civilization and past civilizations.
Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny are all part of our childhoods, but that doesn't make them real.
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 05:44 PM
The truth is that every indication points to theistic belief system. It is part of our civilization and past civilizations. I dont come on here and advocate one belief over another. Whatever i identify with more is only natural, they do have similarities and that can mean many things.
I dont know but you will probably be hearing about it.:D
-Its psychological mindset that difference religions from each other since all most all of them have a common roots, astronomy/astrology.
-For Christians its quilt for killing their own God.
-Filthy rich Catholic Vatican based religions somehow better than lets say Jainism; practice what you preach. I´m not saying that you arent a good person and acting like a good "Christian", but, you should know that there is NOTHING special in Christianity compared to Jainism, which is truly peaceful religion. Christianity is one big soup of ancient myths.
-So why we create Gods ? Because of the control, and ancient people saw the phenomenas at sky and they had to explain those somehow, so they give them names, over time all that has altered to just to tool to control masses.
-Even if there is God we wouldnt know ANYTHING about him, we can just have a faith that there is God, or not.
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 05:48 PM
Bollocks. Why do you feel the need to have a go at all atheists?
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M*W: What???
Orleander
01-09-08, 05:53 PM
I see atheists on this forum who are arrogant and think all believers are idiots. They laugh at them and call them names. They can't leave it alone. They even start threads to 'debunk' the Bible.
Why? Why does it matter? Because its important for them to be right. They don't care if religion makes the other person happy. They just HAVE to make the Christian see reason.
Yeah, they want to convert people and 'save the planet'
I don't know how they can't see that their atheism has become their religion.
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 05:56 PM
"for the sake of truth man, for the sake of truth" :) Thats my only motive to hang around this forum, my apologies if I have offended somebody,
Michael
01-09-08, 06:00 PM
Talk about facists. Atheists want everyone to believe the same hopeless spell they have fallen under.That's not true. I don't care what someone else believes - so long as their belief doesn't interfere in my life. The LAST thing I'm concerned with is turning someone over to the light side of the force :p
Medicine*Woman
01-09-08, 06:16 PM
I really dont see why people here feel that delusion is limited to religion. Delusion keeps the wheels moving. What is the answer?
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M*W: Delusion is not limited to only the religious. There are as many, if not more, delusions as there are people who believe them. Yes, delusions do keep the wheels moving, but only in a circle, and it's very hard to break out of that circle.
You get a different response from everyone yet an Atheist says there is nothing. Well how do you know? Then they say 'i know because...' But they dont know. Delusion may be a strong word but clearly extrapolation. But of course i hate to call people deluded. EVEN if they may be.[/QUOTE]
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M*W: This is how I know. Being an atheist gives one a clear mind to learn what is and what isn't the truth. Atheism wipes the slate of religious delusions. In my opinion, anyone who was an atheist and becomes a christian after that must live in great fear which is also a delusion. I don't think it's possible to be an atheist and then a christian.
However, it is more common to be a christian first and then an atheist. I've been both. I was a delusional christian just like the best of you. I thought I could see god and the many saints, taste god in the Eucharist, feel them in my soul, touch them with my hands, hear them talking to me, and learn from them. I felt them reassuring me when I needed reassurance.
As a good catholic, I always felt the presence of the Virgin Mary, especially where motherhood was concerned. I believed she comforted me when my children were young and driving me crazy... but it wasn't my children doing it... it was my religious addiction that was taking over my life.
I have seen the same thing in the eyes of my fellow christians, as Sandy said, but I was so desperate to believe I was actually seeing god in them. Most of all, I selfishly hoped they could see god in me.
I played the perfect Oscar-winning role as a christian, but it was unfulfilling and empty. I believed everyone else was exlempar christians, so I was terrified for them to know the truth about me. I pretended I didn't have doubts. I copied them well, but in my own mind, I knew I was just playing a game with myself. That's delusion.
I see atheists on this forum who are arrogant and think all believers are idiots. They laugh at them and call them names. They can't leave it alone. They even start threads to 'debunk' the Bible.
Why? Why does it matter? Because its important for them to be right. They don't care if religion makes the other person happy. They just HAVE to make the Christian see reason.
Yeah, they want to convert people and 'save the planet'
I don't know how they can't see that their atheism has become their religion.
While I agree with you to some extent, I do believe it to be generalization just as "all Christians preach" is a generalization.
Atheists tend to look at things very scientifically. Knowing that, they get offended when confronted with something science cannot prove. Sometimes hiding behind “burden for proof is on the claimant”.
On the other hand:
I do also find that a big irritant to me by SOME Christians (I am not atheist) is their stubbornness to look at anything that would go against or obstruct their belief system. When you believe in something and are so sure of it that no other explanation or possibility will sway you, that alone implies that anything contradictory of your belief is WRONG.
Many Christians I have dealt with in my life are contradictive in their “claims” and that is also extremely frustrating to deal with, especially if you are trying to have an intelligent conversation with that person.
Being wrong is somehow in our consciousness something that is embarrassing or bad. I don’t believe that to necessarily be the case.
“Results! Why, man, I have gotten a lot of results. I know several thousand things that won't work.” Thomas Edison
“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.” Thomas Edison
Being wrong? Hell I’m wrong all the time; everyone is at some point “wrong”.
Why is it so hard for some Christians I deal with to admit…they COULD be wrong?
Same for Atheists…
I think the only truly WRONG thing you can do is put a frame around your mind and construct walls around what you believe to be real and what is not. Then try to defend your beliefs as a universal “right”.
This is why I cannot stand Christians who try and convert people. “Born again Christians” are the worst at that. Preaching isn’t all too bad it is just sharing of information…when you try to convert people to your belief is when irritation comes about. It goes for Atheists as well.
Simply put the religious “claims” to truth irritate the Atheists “rational thought” to the point they in-turn try to Enlighten the religious to how naïve they are, which in-turn causes the religious to try and enlighten the Atheists about how naïve they are……its insane…
But very entertaining.
indeed I do. answer the questions I posted.
"We are all the same" Baloney. Don't include me
stretched
01-09-08, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by stretched
Perhaps they understand the concept of "honesty". You really have to take off your pajamas.
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John99
I really dont see why people here feel that delusion is limited to religion. Delusion keeps the wheels moving.
What is the answer?
You get a different response from everyone yet an Atheist says there is nothing. Well how do you know? Then they say 'i know because...' But they dont know. Delusion may be a strong word but clearly extrapolation. But of course i hate to call people deluded. EVEN if they may be.
Who said delusion is limited to religion? Its HUGE in politics! [flame deleted]
I see atheists on this forum who are arrogant and think all believers are idiots. They laugh at them and call them names. They can't leave it alone. They even start threads to 'debunk' the Bible.
Why? Why does it matter? Because its important for them to be right. They don't care if religion makes the other person happy. They just HAVE to make the Christian see reason.
Yeah, they want to convert people and 'save the planet'
I don't know how they can't see that their atheism has become their religion.
"They" ? I thought you were an atheist yourself ?
And atheists mostly react to accusations from Christians, not the other way around.
See how started this thread ?
Orleander
01-09-08, 06:37 PM
I am. 'They' are the atheists who have GOT to be right, have GOT to 'educate' Christians, who see religion as poison, etc.
I see a lot of atheists start crap just so they can prove how smart they are and how dumb others are. Its arrogant.
THEY are as bad as believers.
...Can you elaborate on those teachings?
Children are taught to not live by their feelings because feelings lie. They are taught to live by the Word of God. They turn out like amazing little angels instead of freaks from public schools.
I'm sure that's what people said about that devout churchgoer, the BTK killer.
Christians aren't perfect. There are some who choose satan over God. :(
Your WHOLE life ? So you didn't make a conscious choice to become Christian then ? You were indoctrinated.. i see..
I was raised as a devout Christian since I was two. My Mother read the Bible to me and taught me to be her little angel. I still am. :D
Perhaps you could substantiate your claim that all atheists despise happiness.... You have been taught to despise others that do not think like you and that they are somehow sub-standard humans...How would you feel when wracked with pain from the cancer moments before you die.
I never said ALL atheists despise happiness. I have been taught no such thing. I will never have cancer or even be sick. I have divine supernatural perfect health. I always have. I always will. Moments before I die I will be rejoicing in being with Him soon. :worship:
Its about time then you opened your mind and examined the real world, outside of your safe sheep-like fantasy.
Been there. Done that. I like being a devout born-again Christian MUCH better.
I thought Jesus and God were the same..
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. The Trinity.
I dont have problem with religious people what ever their religion might be as long as they dont start to sending me to hell.
"They" aren't capable of sending you to hell.
I am. 'They' are the atheists who have GOT to be right, have GOT to 'educate' Christians, who see religion as poison, etc.
I see a lot of atheists start crap just so they can prove how smart they are and how dumb others are. Its arrogant.
THEY are as bad as believers.
The way I see it it's the other way around. Atheists are provoked into doing that.
Of course there are the bad apples, but so have the theists.
I just don't get why there have to be sides.. :shrug:
Orleander
01-09-08, 06:43 PM
enmos,
have you read this thread?
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=75990
enmos,
have you read this thread?
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=75990
Yes I have. The OP points out contradictions in the bible.
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 06:59 PM
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. The Trinity.
-Can you explain what this means ? I havent ever been able to understand this concept properly although I have been taught Christianity 9 years in school ?
"They" aren't capable of sending you to hell.
-Well, if I werent ever heard about your religion and therefore couldnt not been able to accept Jesus as my saviour and God, will I go to heaven or hell ?Or something else happens to me, what ?
-Can you explain what this means ? I havent ever been able to understand this concept properly although I have been teach Christianity 9 years ?-Well, if I werent ever heard about your religion and therefore couldnt not been able to accept Jesus as my saviour and God, will I go to heaven or hell ?
Or something else happens to me, what ?
I'll reply in PM. Everytime I say anything about Jesus Christ/God, I get warned/threatened. :rolleyes:
BlueMoose
01-09-08, 07:02 PM
I'll reply in PM. Everytime I say anything about Jesus Christ/God, I get warned/threatened. :rolleyes:
-What ? This is a forum to do just that ? Well, waiting for your PM :)
-What ? This is a forum to do just that ? Well, waiting for your PM :)
It doesn't matter. :rolleyes:
shichimenshyo
01-09-08, 07:10 PM
[flame deleted]
SnakeLord
01-09-08, 07:10 PM
The 'trinity' concept is stupid at best..
www.snakeystew.com/?page_id=30
-Can you explain what this means ? I havent ever been able to understand this concept properly although I have been taught Christianity 9 years in school ?
Did you try looking here ... http://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+trinity%22
Did you just chicken out Sandy? Well thats a first.
No. I'm just not giving in to people who are trying to get me banned. They know the game. They know I can't say anything about God or Jesus without getting threatened/warned. :mad:
:frust:
No. I'm just not giving in to people who are trying to get me banned. They know the game. They know I can't say anything about God or Jesus without getting threatened/warned. :mad:
:frust:
But.. you have been talking about God and Jesus this entire thread.. :shrug:
USS Exeter
01-09-08, 07:18 PM
I'm atheist and I am always happy. I am aaaaaaalllllllllliiiiiiiiiiivvvveeeeee!!!!!!!! You only live life once, so enjoy it!
USS Exeter
01-09-08, 07:25 PM
No. I'm just not giving in to people who are trying to get me banned. They know the game. They know I can't say anything about God or Jesus without getting threatened/warned. :mad:
:frust:
We'll make sure that doesn't happen, it shouldn't!! Besides, you've talked about god this whole thread. *also mentioning* :(
flameofanor5
01-09-08, 07:28 PM
Not so.. is this some sort of kick-the-atheist game ?
so we make one mean comment and you guys get angry. And yet it's perfectly okay to say mean things about us.
flameofanor5
01-09-08, 07:30 PM
So you guys are getting angry with Sandy because all she talks about is God. No big deal, most people have something that their life revolves around. Lets not mock people for who or what they love.
so we make one mean comment and you guys get angry. And yet it's perfectly okay to say mean things about us.
1. I didn't get angry.
2. What mean things have I said ?
Incriminating Convoy
01-09-08, 07:38 PM
No. I'm just not giving in to people who are trying to get me banned. They know the game. They know I can't say anything about God or Jesus without getting threatened/warned. :mad:
:frust:
There is a difference between talking and preaching, talk more and preach less.
James R
01-09-08, 07:55 PM
Why?:
Talk about facists. Atheists want everyone to believe the same hopeless spell they have fallen under.
For atheists, religion is the spell.
Are you saying you don't want everyone to believe what you believe regarding God?
I agree. It's jealousy. Christians are happier and atheists want everyone to be down in the mud with them.
I think you're half right. From memory, studies indicate that the religious do tend to be a little happier on average. That may be because religion is a comforting cocoon which serves as a shield against an uncaring universe. Or, it could be because religion is inherently a social thing, and being close to other people is important.
As to atheists wanting to drag other people down, that's just nonsense.
An atheist can't save you.
Save you from what? Sin?
sandy:
They DESPISE anyone's happiness--especially if it's rooted in God, as foolish. :rolleyes:
Why would any sane person despise another person's happiness? What nonsense. Or perhaps you think atheists are jealous of you?
Christians are happier than atheists. You can see it in their eyes.
That glassy, spaced-out, brainwashed look. Yes, I know it well. :)
madanthonywayne:
The point is that atheists don't seem content in their own disbelief. Why so many lawsuits from atheists over nativity scenes or whatever? If God is just another fictional character, why complain about it? Do you complain about statues of Ronald McDonald or Mickey Mouse? Do you file lawsuits if someone discuses Spongebob Squarepants at school?
Why does someone else's belief in God offend you so much? In God we Trust is on our currency. So what. If you are a nonbeliever, it's just a meaningless phrase. So what. No one is coming to your house and forcing you to go to church, stop trying to impose your minority viewpoint on the rest of society.
Lawsuits over nativity scenes and so on are probably going too far. But, on the other hand, fundamentalist Christians in the US are fighting to overturn the country's secular Constitution. Ideally, they would like to reform the country as a Christian theocracy, replacing secular law with their version of biblical law. What would result if they achieved their aims would be a state similar to Afganistan under the Taliban, only a Christian one rather than a Muslim one. Be very afraid.
Hopefully, this may help you to understand why some atheists (and not only atheists, I might point out) get a little upset when Christians insist on posting the Ten Commandments in court rooms.
John99:
How can having no beliefs be an awakening. It is a theory but how is this enlightenment? Supported by the fact that Atheism is unproven and unprovable, possibly never will be known to mortals.
Theism is equally unprovable. How can a religious "awakening" based on an illusion be enlightenment?
Orleander:
I see atheists on this forum who are arrogant and think all believers are idiots.
Perhaps you can explain why there is a direct correlation between educational level and the tendency to be atheist.
They laugh at them and call them names. They can't leave it alone. They even start threads to 'debunk' the Bible.
And in turn the Christians preach the bible. Don't pretend that one side is worse than the other.
I see a lot of atheists start crap just so they can prove how smart they are and how dumb others are. Its arrogant.
THEY are as bad as believers.
Who started this thread? An atheist or a believer?
flameofanor5
01-09-08, 07:56 PM
There is a difference between talking and preaching, talk more and preach less.
She isn't preaching, she is just mentioning God....a lot
Orleander
01-09-08, 08:02 PM
...And in turn the Christians preach the bible. Don't pretend that one side is worse than the other....Who started this thread? An atheist or a believer?
Atheists shouldn't preach! Christians are the way they are. Its the nature of the beast. I like to think that atheists, as educated people, wouldn't lower themselves to the level of petty bickering and trying to 'educate' the masses. Christians are belivers, athiests are knowers. Isn't knowing you're right enough?
And who cares who started this thread? :shrug:
Its the nature of the beast.
Oh! :eek: :D
Atheists just respond to the never ending preaching and accusing by theists
Orleander
01-09-08, 08:07 PM
...Atheists just respond to the never ending preaching and accusing by theists
why? why bother? :bugeye:
Cuz its fun, isn't it. Its just fun to get them all riled up. I guess having loved ones (even my daughter) be believers, I can't. I'd feel bad.
why? why bother? :bugeye:
Cuz its fun, isn't it. Its just fun to get them all riled up. I guess having loved ones (even my daughter) be believers, I can't. I'd feel bad.
They rile up themselves though.. it just gets irritating that people tell you what to believe or else..
Have you ever seen me 'rile up' theists ? When they want to discuss I participate and try to discuss things. Most go off on a tantrum after a while.. :shrug:
SnakeLord
01-09-08, 08:12 PM
why? why bother?
Perhaps for the same reason you are now responding to Enmos, and perhaps the same reason I am now responding to you etc etc etc.
Why bother asking?
Orleander
01-09-08, 08:12 PM
They rile up themselves though.. it just gets irritating that people tell you what to believe or else.. ....
who cares!? Its not as if they are right. :shrug: