The Bible is founded on ASTROLOGY!

[QuestionEverything]

For those who believe the Bible does not contain references to astrology, I have a couple reference verses for you:

Job 38:31-32 (King James Version)

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

Pleiades = a group of stars
Orion = a well known constellation
Mazzaroth = the Hebrew word for ZODIAC
Arcturus = a known star

Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades?
How is this Christian content? Doesn't it sound like pagan astrology crap? Sweet influences of the Pleiades? Kinda sounds like the "Pleiades" have been anthropomorphized huh! Think about it!

loose the bands of Orion?
Loose the Bands? Do Christians view Orion as an anthropomorphized deity too? hmm...

Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season?
Bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? Hey Mazzaroth is the Zodiac! Whoa isn't astrology supposed to be evil? What's it doing in the Bible then? hmm...

or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
his sons? Who is this Arcturus? Should be just another star in the sky yet we have clearly shown that we believe he is a male with sons!

THAT'S RIGHT!! IT'S ASTROLOGY PEOPLE!! GOOD OLD EVIL ASTROLOGY!!

Now ask yourselves this question...

Why are Christians, Jews, and Muslims taught that astrology is evil? Could it be because if they understood astrology they might understand something else? Like their scriptures!

HINT, HINT, BIG F*CKING HINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And now for the ATOMIC BOMB (http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm)!!! :yay:

[sly1]

makes more sense than any other take on the bible I have ever heard.

PT-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st8h75CwY34&feature=related
PT-3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAuK4Yn7Jr4&feature=related
P-4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F-aMIJzWj0&feature=related

[Orleander]

based on Astrology? How does 2 verses in Job make the Bible founded on astrology?

[QuestionEverything]

based on Astrology? How does 2 verses in Job make the Bible founded on astrology?

I've got more than that up my sleeve! :D

Read this (http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm) if you remain unconvinced!

[Orleander]

So you have more Bible verses?

[QuestionEverything]

So you have more Bible verses?

Yes, but...
Here is all the proof you could ever ask for. (http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm)

If you can't understand the connection to astrology at that point you never will.

[Orleander]

Yes, but.......

what are they?

[QuestionEverything]

what are they?

Just the whole Bible! :cool:

You gonna check out this link (http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm) or what?

[Enmos]

lol

[SetiAlpha6]

For those who believe the Bible does not contain references to astrology, I have a couple reference verses for you:

Job 38:31-32 (King James Version)

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

Pleiades = a group of stars
Orion = a well known constellation
Mazzaroth = the Hebrew word for ZODIAC
Arcturus = a known star

Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades?
How is this Christian content? Doesn't it sound like pagan astrology crap? Sweet influences of the Pleiades? Kinda sounds like the "Pleiades" have been anthropomorphized huh! Think about it!

loose the bands of Orion?
Loose the Bands? Do Christians view Orion as an anthropomorphized deity too? hmm...

Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season?
Bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? Hey Mazzaroth is the Zodiac! Whoa isn't astrology supposed to be evil? What's it doing in the Bible then? hmm...

or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
his sons? Who is this Arcturus? Should be just another star in the sky yet we have clearly shown that we believe he is a male with sons!

THAT'S RIGHT!! IT'S ASTROLOGY PEOPLE!! GOOD OLD EVIL ASTROLOGY!!

Now ask yourselves this question...

Why are Christians, Jews, and Muslims taught that astrology is evil? Could it be because if they understood astrology they might understand something else? Like their scriptures!

HINT, HINT, BIG F*CKING HINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And now for the ATOMIC BOMB (http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm)!!! :yay:


Why does the Bible itself condemn astrology and astrologers?

[sly1]

Why does the Bible itself condemn astrology and astrologers?

because astrology doesnt make you get down on your knees and become a servant. The bible is far more USEFUL as a mind control device than an enlightenment device.

[QuestionEverything]

Why does the Bible itself condemn astrology and astrologers?

So that you don't dare put the two of them together and find a match! :D

[BlueMoose]

So that you don't dare put the two of them together and find a match! :D

-Amen :)

-I bet most of the religious people doesnt even know where that word come from :cool:

[John99]

Do you want me to read your ATOMIC BOMB. Is that from National Enquirer?

[spidergoat]

In this context, it's not astrology, but astronomy. Those were the names of constellations, a feature of the night sky.

It's like saying, can you move a mountain? Can you stop a volcano?

[QuestionEverything]

Do you want me to read your ATOMIC BOMB. Is that from National Enquirer?

You should not ridicule a document you have not read. That's a little bit willfully ignorant, not to mention extremely biased, don't you think? Read it, god forbid you might learn something.

[John99]

Thats right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology_and_astronomy

[John99]

You should not ridicule a document you have not read. That's a little bit willfully ignorant, not to mention extremely biased, don't you think? Read it, god forbid you might learn something.

What about the other post? Your busted.

[QuestionEverything]

In this context, it's not astrology, but astronomy. Those were the names of constellations, a feature of the night sky.

It's like saying, can you move a mountain? Can you stop a volcano?

Mazzaroth is a direct reference to the zodiac. That is astrology, NOT astronomy. Read the doc from the link at the end of my post and see if you still can't find astrology in the Bible. The whole thing is astrological allegory. Medicine*Woman has been trying to tell you people this for years now and you've rejected her message. Nevertheless, she is absolutely correct.

It is not the job of science to destroy religion, it is the job of astrology to do that. The purpose of science is to fill the remaining vacuum of knowledge with truth.

[spidergoat]

Well she's a bit of a nut. The Zodiac was shorthand for astronomical features. It doesn't attribute any special powers to them, especially over God. Criticize the Bible all you want, but at least make it accurate.

[QuestionEverything]

-Amen :)

-I bet most of the religious people doesnt even know where that word come from :cool:

Of course not, too much willful ignorance out there to expect they would!

[BlueMoose]

In ancient times astrology ~ astronomy. Is that so hard to understand ?

[spidergoat]

The Bible also mentions idols, that doesn't mean the Bible essentially outlines idol worship.

[QuestionEverything]

Well she's a bit of a nut. The Zodiac was shorthand for astronomical features. It doesn't attribute any special powers to them, especially over God. Criticize the Bible all you want, but at least make it accurate.

Make it accurate? Have you even read the Bible? Did you look at THIS LINK (http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm)??

Shit even the atheists here show willful ignorance! :mad:

[Enmos]

Amun (also spelled Amon, Amoun, Amen, and rarely Imen, Greek Ἄμμων Ammon, and Ἅμμων Hammon, Egyptian Yamanu[citation needed]) was the name of a deity, in Egyptian mythology, who gradually rose to become one of the most important deities in Ancient Egypt, before fading into obscurity.

Amun's name is first recorded in Egyptian records as ỉmn, meaning "The hidden (one)". Since vowels were not written in Egyptian hieroglyphs, Egyptologists have reconstructed the name to have been pronounced *Yamānu (/jamaːnu/) originally. The name survived in Coptic as Ⲁⲙⲟⲩⲛ, Amoun.

Gradually, as god of air, he came to be associated with the breath of life, which created the ba, particularly in Thebes. By the First Intermediate Period this had led to him being thought of, in these areas, as the creator god, titled father of the gods, preceding the Ogdoad, although also part of it. As he became more significant, he was assigned a wife (Amunet being his own female aspect, more than a distinct wife), and since he was the creator, his wife was considered the divine mother from which the cosmos emerged, who in the areas where Amun was worshipped was, by this time, Mut.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun

;)

[QuestionEverything]

The Bible also mentions idols, that doesn't mean the Bible essentially outlines idol worship.

The god of the Old Testament is Chronos. Are you even aware of this fact? Do your homework, then we'll talk.

[BlueMoose]

The Bible is rip of so many things, but the main thing is that it has it roots in Egyptian religion, and in Egypt it was the stars, sun, moon and planets which were big mystery and therefore they interpret them to be something beyond from this world...like Gods.

[spidergoat]

In that sense, the culture described in the Bible is based on all the previous cultures in the region, among them astrology, idol worship, nature worship, and others. Hebrew culture was adapted from previous ones, but they changed it's basic meaning. The Bible doesn't tell you to worship the stars, but people that worshipped the stars were it's intended audience.

Christianity is not Paganism, but it did adapt elements of Paganism for it's own use (christmas trees, solstice and harvest festivals, a pantheon of spirits (saints)).

[QuestionEverything]

Amun (also spelled Amon, Amoun, Amen, and rarely Imen, Greek Ἄμμων Ammon, and Ἅμμων Hammon, Egyptian Yamanu[citation needed]) was the name of a deity, in Egyptian mythology, who gradually rose to become one of the most important deities in Ancient Egypt, before fading into obscurity.

Amun's name is first recorded in Egyptian records as ỉmn, meaning "The hidden (one)". Since vowels were not written in Egyptian hieroglyphs, Egyptologists have reconstructed the name to have been pronounced *Yamānu (/jamaːnu/) originally. The name survived in Coptic as Ⲁⲙⲟⲩⲛ, Amoun.

Gradually, as god of air, he came to be associated with the breath of life, which created the ba, particularly in Thebes. By the First Intermediate Period this had led to him being thought of, in these areas, as the creator god, titled father of the gods, preceding the Ogdoad, although also part of it. As he became more significant, he was assigned a wife (Amunet being his own female aspect, more than a distinct wife), and since he was the creator, his wife was considered the divine mother from which the cosmos emerged, who in the areas where Amun was worshipped was, by this time, Mut.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun

;)

Amun(Amen-Ra) was the god representing the Sun at night (in the underworld).

Amen means "So let it be!" in Egyption. Amen-Ra means "So let it be hidden!"

[BlueMoose]

The god of the Old Testament is Chronos. Are you even aware of this fact? Do your homework, then we'll talk.

-LOL Remember the "satanistic" band Venom, their members took names...
...Chronos, Abaddon and Mantas :)

[Enmos]

Amun(Amen-Ra) was the god representing the Sun at night (in the underworld).

Amen means "So let it be!" in Egyption. Amen-Ra means "So let it be hidden!"

Do I have the wrong Amen here then ? I thought "the creator god" was fitting :)

[QuestionEverything]

Wikipedia is by no means a complete source of information on these topics. When you do research you should not rely solely on Wikipedia.

[Enmos]

Wikipedia is by no means a complete source of information on these topics. When you do research you should not rely solely on Wikipedia.

Well, I wasn't doing research I was just looking to confirm what I already thought I knew :)

[QuestionEverything]

Do I have the wrong Amen here then ? I thought "the creator god" was fitting :)

It's correct, but not a complete description. Wikipedia often leaves out details of vital significance.

[BlueMoose]

In that sense, the culture described in the Bible is based on all the previous cultures in the region, among them astrology, idol worship, nature worship, and others. Hebrew culture was adapted from previous ones, but they changed it's basic meaning. The Bible doesn't tell you to worship the stars, but people that worshipped the stars were it's intended audience.

Christianity is not Paganism, but it did adapt elements of Paganism for it's own use (christmas trees, solstice and harvest festivals, a pantheon of spirits (saints)).

-I asked Adstar this one, havent get answer yet, maybe you could help me ?

-Can you please tell me then what is Christian anyway, what does it mean.
For example our homeland was converted by force to be a Christian.
-If I believe that Jesus was a real person and prophet of somekind, like Buddha and others, but he was just a man,then, am I Christian ?

[Enmos]

It's correct, but not a complete description. Wikipedia often leaves out details of vital significance.

Ah ok, thanks for the confirmation though.

[QuestionEverything]

-LOL Remember the "satanistic" band Venom, their members took names...
...Chronos, Abaddon and Mantas :)

When you realize this lying, murdering, viciously evil god of the O.T. is Chronos it all begins to fall into place. The Greeks and Hebrews both got this practice of Saturn worship from the Egyptians.

[QuestionEverything]

-If I believe that Jesus was a real person and prophet of somekind, like Buddha and others, but he was just a man,then, am I Christian ?

Check out this link (http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm) and you will know once and for all that Jesus never existed at all, period. The proof is solid for all who are not deluded to see. :)

[BlueMoose]

Yes, I´m more interested the logic of Christians in this one, thats why the question, kinda hard nut to crack to them I see ;)

[BlueMoose]

When you realize this lying, murdering, viciously evil god of the O.T. is Chronos it all begins to fall into place. The Greeks and Hebrews both got this practice of Saturn worship from the Egyptians.

-Indeed LOL :thumbsup:

[Medicine*Woman]

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M*W: This is a MUST READ site for everyone who wants to learn the truth once and for all.
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M*W's Friendly Atheist Quote of the Day:

"Civilization will not attain to its perfection, until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest!" ~ Emile Zola

[QuestionEverything]

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M*W: This is a MUST read site for everyone who wants to learn the truth once and for all.
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M*W's Friendly Atheist Quote of the Day:

"Civilization will not attain to its perfection, until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest! ~ Emile Zola

It's all about having an open mind. Closed minds allow no entry.

Thank you for reading it. Now if we can get one of the sheep to look at it we will have accomplished something!

[Enmos]

It's all about having an open mind. Closed minds allow no entry.

Thank you for reading it. Now if we can get one of the sheep to look at it we will have accomplished something!

I have to say it all sounds very logical, seems a very good explanation :)
I am not a 'sheep' though, sorry ;)

[QuestionEverything]

I have to say it all sounds very logical, seems a very good explanation :)
I am not a 'sheep' though, sorry ;)

Actually I didn't mean you, and I'm glad you read it. I'm only doing what I can to enrich peoples' understanding of their theology, but I can't force it on anyone.

That the Bible is based on astrology is not a theory, but a fact. Anyone who follows this line of research will see how well the glove fits.

The Bible is also based on fertility worship, and drugs like mushrooms. John Allegro, the agnostic philologist who was a member of the Dead Sea Scrolls translation team has pointed this out in his book "The Sacred Mushroom and the Christian Cross".

[Enmos]

Actually I didn't mean you, and I'm glad you read it. I'm only doing what I can to enrich peoples' understanding of their theology, but I can't force it on anyone.

That the Bible is based on astrology is not a theory, but a fact. Anyone who follows this line of research will see how well the glove fits.

The Bible is also based on fertility worship, and drugs like mushrooms. John Allegro, the agnostic philologist who was a member of the Dead Sea Scrolls translation team has pointed this out in his book "The Sacred Mushroom and the Christian Cross".

Very interesting. I've always known it was something like this but never took the time to research it.
P.S. I knew you didn't mean me :)

[sly1]

The Bible is rip of so many things, but the main thing is that it has it roots in Egyptian religion, and in Egypt it was the stars, sun, moon and planets which were big mystery and therefore they interpret them to be something beyond from this world...like Gods.

Sumeria predates egypt and even SUMERIAN mythology parallels most of what is said in the bible/gensis. If were going back into history for answers might as well go ALLL the way back right?

[spidergoat]

-I asked Adstar this one, havent get answer yet, maybe you could help me ?

-Can you please tell me then what is Christian anyway, what does it mean.
For example our homeland was converted by force to be a Christian.
-If I believe that Jesus was a real person and prophet of somekind, like Buddha and others, but he was just a man,then, am I Christian ?

Christianity has come to mean believing in a set of assumptions about Jesus and the OT. He died for our sins, rose on the third day, Jesus is devine in nature, etc...

So, no, if you believe as the Jews and as I do, that Jesus was a man with interesting philosophical ideas, then you aren't a Christian.

[Medicine*Woman]

makes more sense than any other take on the bible I have ever heard.

PT-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st8h75CwY34&feature=related
PT-3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAuK4Yn7Jr4&feature=related
P-4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F-aMIJzWj0&feature=related

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M*W: I am glad to see this type of information being brought to the fore. Thanks for posting these links. Good job!

[QuestionEverything]

Sumeria predates egypt and even SUMERIAN mythology parallels most of what is said in the bible/gensis. If were going back into history for answers might as well go ALLL the way back right?

Actually sly1 it may go back even further than that. Some research suggests the pyramids are exceedingly old. Even Manly P. Hall admits that his fellow Masons were the ones who created the phony inscriptions in the Great Pyramid dating it to the time of Kufu. What did they want to hide?

In fact if you follow the line of research that suggests the Giza complex is actually representative of the Belt of Orion, and then go back in time to when those stars were in that configuration... Well now you're getting into some seriously crazy shit!

[QuestionEverything]

Christianity has come to mean believing in a set of assumptions about Jesus and the OT. He died for our sins, rose on the third day, Jesus is devine in nature, etc...

So, no, if you believe as the Jews and as I do, that Jesus was a man with interesting philosophical ideas, then you aren't a Christian.

Jesus' philosophy predates him, so now what?

[spidergoat]

Actually I didn't mean you, and I'm glad you read it. I'm only doing what I can to enrich peoples' understanding of their theology, but I can't force it on anyone.

That the Bible is based on astrology is not a theory, but a fact. Anyone who follows this line of research will see how well the glove fits.

The Bible is also based on fertility worship, and drugs like mushrooms. John Allegro, the agnostic philologist who was a member of the Dead Sea Scrolls translation team has pointed this out in his book "The Sacred Mushroom and the Christian Cross".

I take issue with your assumptions about the "base" of the Bible. I don't deny that aspects of previous religions are either mentioned or incorporated into biblical myths, but that is different from the theology actually being based on them.

This is due in no small part to their being no one author of the Bible. There were dozens of authors with different takes on what they thought would be important or "stick" with the readers.

[QuestionEverything]

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M*W: I am glad to see this type of information being brought to the fore. Thanks for posting these links. Good job!
And now for the H-BOMB (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8700041490363244845)!!!

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[QuestionEverything]

This is due in no small part to their being no one author of the Bible. There were dozens of authors with different takes on what they thought would be important or "stick" with the readers.

BINGO!! And each author was nothing more than an initiate of the Egyptian Mystery Schools. This is why the different authors agree on most aspects of their theology. They were not originators of the information, only regurgitators of it.

[sly1]

Actually sly1 it may go back even further than that. Some research suggests the pyramids are exceedingly old. Even Manly P. Hall admits that his fellow Masons were the ones who created the phony inscriptions in the Great Pyramid dating it to the time of Kufu. What did they want to hide?

In fact if you follow the line of research that suggests the Giza complex is actually representative of the Belt of Orion, and then go back in time to when those stars were in that configuration... Well now you're getting into some seriously crazy shit!

Well I know egypt has been dated to roughly 10,500 years ago alternativly to the 5 thousand due to the alignment of the constilation orion with the pyramids and leo with the sphynx. So quite possibly it could be older than sumeria.....however egyptians were much more advanced in communication and building than the sumerians which I can only conclude that sumeria would predate egypt.

I could be wrong though. Anway back to topic

[QuestionEverything]

sly1,
Please repost that link to the tablet info doc. I think you need to delete everything from the first "&" to the end of it in order for it to come through properly.

[Medicine*Woman]

Yes, but...
Here is all the proof you could ever ask for. (http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm)

If you can't understand the connection to astrology at that point you never will.
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M*W: There are other references that I will post. They are:

The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold, by Acharya S. (1999).

Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled, by Acharya S. (2004).

Jesus Christ, Son of God: Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism, by David Fideler (1993).

Symbols, Sex, and the Stars, by Ernest Busenbark (1949).

The Heavens Declare..., by William D. Banks (1985).

Astrology: The Ancient Conspiracy (originally titled The Origin of Heathendom), by Ben Adam (1963).

Stars, Signs & Salvation in the Age of Aquarius, by Bjornstad and Johnson (1971).

Astronomy of the Bible, E.W. Maunder (1908).

Mazzaroth: Or, The Constellations, by F. Rolleston (1875).

Parallel Myths, by J.F. Bierlein (1994).

The Hero With A Thousand Faces, by Joseph Campbell (1973).

But these are just few of the well-researched astro-theological texts. If anyone has any questions or comments about the astro-theological interpretation of the bible, let us know.

[QuestionEverything]

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M*W: There are other references that I will post. They are:

The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold, by Acharya S. (1999).

Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled, by Acharya S. (2004).

Jesus Christ, Son of God: Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism, by David Fideler (1993).

Symbols, Sex, and the Stars, by Ernest Busenbark (1949).

The Heavens Declare..., by William D. Banks (1985).

Astrology: The Ancient Conspiracy (originally titled The Origin of Heathendom), by Ben Adam (1963).

Stars, Signs & Salvation in the Age of Aquarius, by Bjornstad and Johnson (1971).

Astronomy of the Bible, E.W. Maunder (1908).

Mazzaroth: Or, The Constellations, by F. Rolleston (1875).

Parallel Myths, by J.F. Bierlein (1994).

The Hero With A Thousand Faces, by Joseph Campbell (1973).

The Complete Works of Josephus, translated by William Whitson

But these are just few of the well-researched astro-theological texts.

AWSOME!! You rule M*W! :cheers:

[Medicine*Woman]

Well she's a bit of a nut. The Zodiac was shorthand for astronomical features. It doesn't attribute any special powers to them, especially over God. Criticize the Bible all you want, but at least make it accurate.
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M*W: Well, I guess you could have called me something worse. The signs of the zodiac do have physical features or animalistic features. You are correct in that they have no special powers that come with them. It's all about the myth of sun worship. Human beings gave them many shapes and forms and wrote stories (myths) about the characters in the night sky. I've never ever stated anywhere that I believe in astrology or in any astrological attributes. However, interpreting the bible (both OT and NT) is the ONLY accurate interpretation of MYTH. It's all myth and it's always been myth. I certainly don't promote it as a religion. I'm an atheist, and maybe a "nut" as you say, but you can't just call me a "nut" because I don't believe in any of that crap anyway. Maybe I KNOW about it, but I don't promote it as something to be believed in... like the ancients did. It is very clear to me that there is no god, no angels, no kings, no virgin births and no kind of salvation except for the sun coming up in the morning.

[QuestionEverything]

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M*W: Well, I guess you could have called me something worse. The signs of the zodiac do have physical features or animalistic features. You are correct in that they have no special powers that come with them. It's all about the myth of sun worship. Human beings gave them many shapes and forms and wrote stories (myths) about the characters in the night sky. I've never ever stated anywhere that I believe in astrology or in any astrological attributes. However, interpreting the bible (both OT and NT) is the ONLY accurate interpretation of MYTH. It's all myth and it's always been myth. I certainly don't promote it as a religion. I'm an atheist, and maybe a "nut" as you say, but you can't just call me a "nut" because I don't believe in any of that crap anyway. Maybe I KNOW about it, but I don't promote it as something to be believed in... like the ancients did. It is very clear to me that there is no god, no angels, no kings, no virgin births and no kind of salvation except for the sun coming up in the morning.

I'd be nuts too if I had to put up with being the only one talking truth on a forum full of ignorant people unwilling to look at the facts I displayed for them. If being a nut is being allied with truth, then I'd gladly be called a nut!

Cheers fellow nut! :cheers:

[sly1]

I'd be nuts too if I had to put up with being the only one talking truth on a forum full of ignorant people unwilling to look at the facts I displayed for them. If being a nut is being allied with truth, then I'd gladly be called a nut!

Cheers fellow nut! :cheers:

However I am very hesitant to claiming ownership of any "TRUTH" I will agree that the astrological aspect of the bible does indeed make more sense out of things. There is now a connection between what is being said and what you can see/experience/test where as before it was ALL on faith......

Why though so much "beating around the bush" ?? Why muddle up astrology with irrelevant mislabeling and mysticism?

[BlueMoose]

Christianity has come to mean believing in a set of assumptions about Jesus and the OT. He died for our sins, rose on the third day, Jesus is devine in nature, etc...

So, no, if you believe as the Jews and as I do, that Jesus was a man with interesting philosophical ideas, then you aren't a Christian.

-That does mean that I will burn in hell for eternity no matter how good human I try to be while being here in earth ?
-Any Christians, I would like to hear your take on this one ?

"He died for our sins, rose on the third day, Jesus is devine in nature, etc..."

-So like Horus in Egypt, (and the sun in winter solstice) now I´m really confused :D Was He the same God ? Reincarnation ?
-So if I do everything Jesus said, but I dont believe him to be a God, I´m doomed in hell ? Thats pretty sick. So its all about submit myself to authority of Pope, given by God, since he is close pal with God/Jesus.
-Christianity is pretty damn hard to understand I may say ;)

[spidergoat]

MW, I say that in the nicest possible way. You know I luv ya.

[BlueMoose]

If being a nut is being allied with truth, then I'd gladly be called a nut!

Cheers fellow nut! :cheers:

-Likewise :cheers:

[spidergoat]

-That does mean that I will burn in hell for eternity no matter how good human I try to be while being here in earth ?
-Any Christians, I would like to here your take on this one ?

"He died for our sins, rose on the third day, Jesus is devine in nature, etc..."

-So like Horus in Egypt, (and the sun in winter solstice) now I´m really confused :D Was He the same God ? Reincarnation ?
-So if I do everything Jesus said, but I dont believe him to be a God, I´m doomed in hell ? Thats pretty sick. So its all about submit myself to authority of Pope, given by God, since he is close pal with God/Jesus.
-Christianity is pretty damn hard to understand I may say ;)

Correct, according to orthodox Christianity, good works are not enough. Other Gods with similar demands don't count towards the Christian heaven either.

[sly1]

-That does mean that I will burn in hell for eternity no matter how good human I try to be while being here in earth ?
-Any Christians, I would like to hear your take on this one ?

"He died for our sins, rose on the third day, Jesus is devine in nature, etc..."

-So like Horus in Egypt, (and the sun in winter solstice) now I´m really confused :D Was He the same God ? Reincarnation ?
-So if I do everything Jesus said, but I dont believe him to be a God, I´m doomed in hell ? Thats pretty sick. So its all about submit myself to authority of Pope, given by God, since he is close pal with God/Jesus.
-Christianity is pretty damn hard to understand I may say ;)

well like i said earlier.......the bible....religion....is much more useful in its current false state, getting you to kneel/obey/fear/conform.......than an astrological aspect.

The bible is being abused for control over the sheeple. Its hilarious to me actually only becuase they literally tell you, that your nothing but a sheep to be hearded......and yet people salivate,praise, and cheer this idea......if there ever is a definition of brain washed, that is it.

[QuestionEverything]

However I am very hesitant to claiming ownership of any "TRUTH" I will agree that the astrological aspect of the bible does indeed make more sense out of things. There is now a connection between what is being said and what you can see/experience/test where as before it was ALL on faith......

Why though so much "beating around the bush" ?? Why muddle up astrology with irrelevant mislabeling and mysticism?

It's been used to create a system of control, and one of the most lucrative businesses in the world.

If you are looking for motive that should more than suffice!

[Medicine*Woman]

MW, I say that in the nicest possible way. You know I luv ya.
*************
M*W: I know you do, and that love feels soooo good!

[BlueMoose]

Actually sly1 it may go back even further than that. Some research suggests the pyramids are exceedingly old. Even Manly P. Hall admits that his fellow Masons were the ones who created the phony inscriptions in the Great Pyramid dating it to the time of Kufu. What did they want to hide?

In fact if you follow the line of research that suggests the Giza complex is actually representative of the Belt of Orion, and then go back in time to when those stars were in that configuration... Well now you're getting into some seriously crazy shit!

-I have been reading on that too, also the ancient race of giants, could that
have some connections, since how those pyramids was made is still a mystery ?

[QuestionEverything]

The bible is being abused for control over the sheeple. Its hilarious to me actually only becuase they literally tell you, that your nothing but a sheep to be hearded......and yet people salivate,praise, and cheer this idea......if there ever is a definition of brain washed, that is it.

The concept of people as "sheep" was derived from Aries the Ram, as the concept of people as "cattle" was derived from Taurus the Bull.

Of course now that it's the Age of Pisces, they can just "school the minnows" as it were. :)

[Yorda]

M*W: I know you do, and that love feels soooo good!

God is Love.

pyramids

a triangle has 3 sides (trinity). a pyramid has 4. 3x4=12 = zodiac

[BlueMoose]

The bible is being abused for control over the sheeple. Its hilarious to me actually only becuase they literally tell you, that your nothing but a sheep to be hearded......and yet people salivate,praise, and cheer this idea......if there ever is a definition of brain washed, that is it.

-Yes. Most disturbing thing is that when you enter church first thing you see
is your tortured God to be crucified to death ~ installing guilt, we killed our God...but it was because of our sins ! They wanna make you feel guilty ?
Doesnt they say that we are all sinners from begin, was it original sin or what was that they called it ?

http://www.scu.edu/ignatiancenter/bannan/publications/explore/spring02/images/CrucifiedChristGerminal.jpg

[QuestionEverything]

-I have been reading on that too, also the ancient race of giants, could that
have some connections, since how those pyramids was made is still a mystery ?

There's some pretty wild theories about the giants out. I would guess that it's still more astrological allegory, but on that I don't know for sure.

The Great Pyramid is not just perplexing because of the size of the stones, but also the cutting precision. I haven't been there but it is said that the stones are cut so precisely that you can't fit a sheet of paper between them. If you think about that and imagine the supposed tools of the day, well, you'll realize it just doesn't add up at all! But as I said, I haven't been there. Maybe it's all just cram packed full of sand.

[QuestionEverything]

-Yes. Most disturbing thing is that when you enter church first thing you see
is your tortured God to be crucified to death ~ installing guilt, we killed our God...but it was because of our sins ! They wanna make you feel guilty ?
Doesnt they say that we are all sinners from begin, was it original sin or what was that they called it ?

http://www.scu.edu/ignatiancenter/bannan/publications/explore/spring02/images/CrucifiedChristGerminal.jpg

Yes guilt is an excellent form of control! My mother used it on me for years.

[BlueMoose]

God is Love.

-Thats the closest thing that I have been able to figure out what God is :)

[sly1]

I laugh a bit inside whenever I see a church with the pagan zodiac cross atop it (and there are plenty).....they really are clueless, which is why after I laugh I am suddenly saddened.

[QuestionEverything]

BlueMoose, Sly1, M*W,

Here's a question for you that has me perplexed:

Saturn or Chronos was depicted as a god with a sickle at least back as far as the Greeks (probably circa ~ 500BC), it may go back much further. This sickle is well known as a metaphor for the rings of Saturn...

Keeping that in mind, can one of you please explain to me how the ancients knew that Saturn had rings? I've never seen them without aid of a telescope have any of you? The first telescopes were supposedly invented in the early 17th century. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Lippershey)

So what's up with that? Any ideas?

[QuestionEverything]

God is Love.

Because your pastor and fellow christians said so. :bugeye:

[BlueMoose]

BlueMoose, Sly1, M*W,

Here's a question for you that has me perplexed:

Saturn or Chronos was depicted as a god with a sickle at least back as far as the Greeks (probably circa ~ 500BC), it may go back much further. This sickle is well known as a metaphor for the rings of Saturn...

Keeping that in mind, can one of you please explain to me how the ancients knew that Saturn had rings? I've never seen them without aid of a telescope have any of you? The first telescopes were supposedly invented in the early 17th century. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Lippershey)

So what's up with that? Any ideas?

-Thats interesting, have to look up for sure. I´ve been thinking that there must have been civilizations in way back that we dont know about, the pyramids, the crystal skull and this one. Could the information survive while civilizations vanishes. Atlantis ?

[QuestionEverything]

-Thats interesting, have to look up for sure. I´ve been thinking that there must have been civilizations in way back that we dont know about, the pyramids, the crystal skull and this one. Could the information survive while civilizations vanishes. Atlantis ?

It does make you think doesn't it? Either the telescope has been invented and lost before, which is certainly possible, or a whole civilization has been lost. It's questions like these I believe people should be asking.

[Yorda]

Because your pastor and fellow christians said so. :bugeye:

no, because the bible says so. but god is also the zodiac. read ezekiels first chapter and you can see that when he describes his vision of god he describes the zodiac. the zodiac created everything and it is in everything. god is everything, because jesus said that he is life/everything.

[Enmos]

no, because the bible says so. but god is also the zodiac. read ezekiels first chapter and you can see that when he describes his vision of god he describes the zodiac. the zodiac created everything and it is in everything. god is everything, because jesus said that he is life/everything.

Uhm the zodiac are just stars that only seem arranged in a particular way from our earth, but mainly because of our imagination.

[QuestionEverything]

no, because the bible says so. but god is also the zodiac. read ezekiels first chapter and you can see that when he describes his vision of god he describes the zodiac. the zodiac created everything and it is in everything. god is everything, because jesus said that he is life/everything.

So you believe that the Zodiac is god? Interesting, sorta backs up my assertion in an unusual way.

[QuestionEverything]

Uhm the zodiac are just stars that only seem arranged in a particular way from our earth, but mainly because of our imagination.

Actually if you look at this article:
The Constellations Don't Look Like What They're Named (http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/constel.html)
You will see that the dots were not connected to produce those shapes, the constellations got their names/characters from the time of year when they were present.

[QuestionEverything]

In the Jesus story after Jesus [the Sun], visits John the Baptist [Aquarius] the Bible says, “After John was put in prison, Jesus went into Galilee,....” (Mark 1:14; Matthew 4:12; Luke 3:20; John 3:24). Suddenly John the Baptist is "put in prison", and Jesus just goes on his merry way! There is no further explanation in the Bible, which seems quite strange if John were a real person. We want to know why he was "put in prison." What crime was he accused of? Who threw him in prison? Was there a trial? Did Jesus attend the trial and speak on his behalf? No. Nothing more is said. Jesus just continues on his journey and appears unconcerned about John the Baptist.

This is all very strange and hard to understand if interpreted as a story of real life events, but it all makes perfect sense when understood as an astronomical allegory. John the Baptist being put in prison is merely an allegory for the constellation Aquarius at sunset moving lower and lower until it is below the horizon at the end of the month and can no longer be seen. It is a natural phenomenon that requires no further explanation, and that is why there is no further explanation in the Bible.

Jesus, the Sun, continues on his way into "Galilee". The word "Galilee" literally means "circuit". The original Greek word is γαλιλαις {gal-il-ah'-yah} (Strong's Greek #1056. Click here to see the verse in Greek), which is a word of Hebrew origin לילג {gaw-lee-law'} (Strong's Hebrew #01551). A "circuit" is a closed, usually circular path. The ecliptic is the circuit the Sun travels along during the year. The ecliptic is a great circle inscribed on the celestial sphere. The ecliptic is also a circle on a planisphere. Jesus, a personification of the Sun, continues on his way along the ecliptic, or "Galilee".

Source here. (http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm)

[losfomoT]

Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall

The moon (Humpty) is in conjuction with Orion's Belt, making it look like Humpty is sitting on a wall.

Humpty Dumpty had a big fall

The moon falls below the horizon.

All the king's horses and all the king's men,
couldn't put Humpty together again.

All the nights that follow, the moon does not appear above Orion's Belt again.

I'm not particularly good at this..; the point is: you can make astrological allegory out of anything. That doesn't prove that it was created as astrological allegory.

[QuestionEverything]

Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall

The moon (Humpty) is in conjuction with Orion's Belt, making it look like Humpty is sitting on a wall.

Humpty Dumpty had a big fall

The moon falls below the horizon.

All the king's horses and all the king's men,
couldn't put Humpty together again.

All the nights that follow, the moon does not appear above Orion's Belt again.

I'm not particularly good at this..; the point is: you can make astrological allegory out of anything. That doesn't prove that it was created as astrological allegory.


The Jesus allegory is infinitely more complex than yours. So by that logic it is mathematically impossible for it to be coincidence!

If the glove fits you have to acquit! (http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm) :D

[Yorda]

jesus is a personification of the sun, and the sun is a symbol of god.

So you believe that the Zodiac is god?

all myths say that it is god. the greek myths say that the 4 elements create everything. the 4 elements are the zodiac.

[sly1]

BlueMoose, Sly1, M*W,

Here's a question for you that has me perplexed:

Saturn or Chronos was depicted as a god with a sickle at least back as far as the Greeks (probably circa ~ 500BC), it may go back much further. This sickle is well known as a metaphor for the rings of Saturn...

Keeping that in mind, can one of you please explain to me how the ancients knew that Saturn had rings? I've never seen them without aid of a telescope have any of you? The first telescopes were supposedly invented in the early 17th century. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Lippershey)

So what's up with that? Any ideas?

I have a couple ideas yes. :D

Ancient Sumerian culture have tablets that depict the sun as the center of the solar system. Not only that but they knew of all the planets.

Thousands of years later however, people went stupid when their history was somehow erased from their knowledge.......and the earth became the center.....not only that but it was flat.

[QuestionEverything]

jesus is a personification of the sun, and the sun is a symbol of god.



all myths say that it is god. the greek myths say that the 4 elements create everything. the 4 elements are the zodiac.

If you say that the Sun is your god I will fully support that. It is at least an unmasked version of modern religion! So I have absolutely no beef with your Sun worship. I only have a problem when people worship the Sun and are deluded that it is something it's not. :thumbsup:

[QuestionEverything]

I have a couple ideas yes. :D

Ancient Sumerian culture have tablets that depict the sun as the center of the solar system. Not only that but they knew of all the planets.

Thousands of years later however, people went stupid when their history was somehow erased from their knowledge.......and the earth became the center.....not only that but it was flat.

Yes I've begun to watch the Enki documentary you sent me. If those tablets are for real that would certainly explain a LOT!

[flameofanor5]

based on Astrology? How does 2 verses in Job make the Bible founded on astrology?


WOW! This guy, from his posts, does not seem to be a Christian. But, he obviously is able to realize that two little verses do not determine the whole mean of the book. It would be nice to have people more like him.

If you read verses before it:
From whose womb comes the ice?
And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth?

30 The waters harden like stone,
And the surface of the deep is frozen.

31 “Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
Or loose the belt of Orion?

32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth[a] in its season?
Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?

33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you set their dominion over the earth?

34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
That an abundance of water may cover you?

This is actually God saying that He is the creator of the earth, and He has the power to change it. And that God, can protect you.

Why are Christians, Jews, and Muslims taught that astrology is evil? Could it be because if they understood astrology they might understand something else? Like their scriptures!
Obviously, QuestionEverything, it's you who does not understand the Bible.:eek:

[flameofanor5]

It would be best if you would read the whole book of Job. For many who are trying to learn more about the Bible, and want to prove it wrong. I suggest you read a book called "The Case for Christ". The author was an atheist who was trying to prove that the Bible contridicts itself.

[QuestionEverything]

WOW! This guy, from his posts, does not seem to be a Christian. But, he obviously is able to realize that two little verses do not determine the whole mean of the book. It would be nice to have people more like him.

If you read verses before it:
From whose womb comes the ice?
And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth?

30 The waters harden like stone,
And the surface of the deep is frozen.

31 “Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
Or loose the belt of Orion?

32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth[a] in its season?
Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?

33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you set their dominion over the earth?

34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
That an abundance of water may cover you?

This is actually God saying that He is the creator of the earth, and He has the power to change it. And that God, can protect you.

Why are Christians, Jews, and Muslims taught that astrology is evil? Could it be because if they understood astrology they might understand something else? Like their scriptures!
Obviously, QuestionEverything, it's you who does not understand the Bible.:eek:

This god you refer to is the Sun. Why else would it be so easily associated with the stars? Stars in the Bible are kings and lords. So naturally the Sun would be described as the "King of kings" and "Lord of lords" as that is what you call the most prominent star in the sky.

Don't take my word for it see for yourself (http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm).

[QuestionEverything]

It would be best if you would read the whole book of Job. For many who are trying to learn more about the Bible, and want to prove it wrong. I suggest you read a book called "The Case for Christ". The author was an atheist who was trying to prove that the Bible contridicts itself. ... and this author found out he was retarded in the process apparently.

[QuestionEverything]

It would be best if you would read the whole book of Job. For many who are trying to learn more about the Bible, and want to prove it wrong. I suggest you read a book called "The Case for Christ". The author was an atheist who was trying to prove that the Bible contridicts itself.

I have read the Bible from cover to cover, have you?

Job is nothing but a story of how Satan uses God as a tool to destroy one of his own followers. God's pride in his mind control of Job is displayed while he destroys all that Job holds dear. If I were you I wouldn't use Job as an example to promote your God. If you do I will whip out the full scripture of Job in this forum and tear your arguments to pieces. So please if that's what you want, bring it on! :deal:

[QuestionEverything]

Job 1:8-12 (King James Version)

8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
God is bragging about his favorite servant Job, isn't pride a sin? :scratchin:

9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Satan baits God to tempt him and see if he can get permission to mess with Job. Whatever happened to "Tempt not the lord thy God"? Oh that's right it's Satan we're talking about here! :mufc:

12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
God fails this test of temptation and says, "alright it's a bet! But don't kill him, if you kill him he can't live to still prove you wrong by not turning on me!" And thus the tragedy begins. Yet God who is omniscient already knew Job would not turn against God so why bother persecuting Job? To prove to Satan what God already knows, that's why. Confirmation of God's pride! :D

[Yorda]

If you say that the Sun is your god I will fully support that.

the sun is just a symbol/metaphor of god.

[QuestionEverything]

the sun is just a symbol/metaphor of god.

No, God is an anthropomorphism of the Sun.
The Sun exists, God does not. The anthropomorphism is nothing but a man made construct, period.

[Yorda]

No, God is an anthropomorphism of the Sun.

jesus is similar to the sun because god is similar to the sun. it shines unconditionally with its warmth (love) on all people. people worshipped the sun because it was similar to god.

The Sun exists, God does not.

jesus (god) said that he is life. life exists, therefore god exists.

[QuestionEverything]

jesus (god) said that he is life. life exists, therefore god exists.

A theory which has no evidence to support it.

[SnakeLord]

jesus (god) said that he is life. life exists, therefore god exists.

I say Yorda is a leprechaun. Yorda exists therefore leprechauns exist?

What astounding foolishness.

[QuestionEverything]

I say Yorda is a leprechaun. Yorda exists therefore leprechauns exist?

What astounding foolishness.

From a theist what can you expect? Can you believe this is the majority view of America?! :rolleyes: