A Challenge of significant proportions

[Quantum Quack]

Sorry to use this forum as a means to convey a message to the object of my attention. However it is necessary to do so as I know that my posts are being fully monitored and I wish to bring the issue to a head.

Most people at this forum have seen my many posts over the years and note that they have offerred some rather, shall we say contraversial approaches to certain subjects. I have endured ridicule and no doubt I shall do so again with this post.
It has come to my attention through means best left un-said that the seemingly paranoid complaints of many seriously uncomfortable persons that they are being victimised by mind control or "will controling" influences has significant grounds for validity.

I wished only to declare to those persons monitoring this post that they are no longer able to hide under the veil of ignorance nor the accusation of insanity thrown at persons who mention or other wise describe such influences.

Your influence will cease, and that is all there is to it.
As to retributon for your crimes against humanity and human rights this has yet to be determined.

I challenge you to a fight to the death if that is what you wish.....
As the method used is electro magnetic amplification using quantum entanglement technologies by a special disc attached to the right temple, it shall fail to maintain coherancy and the operator [cohercer] shall face irrepairable brain trauma. So I suggest you stop using them....all of them.
Self determination Violations using electro-mechanical means will not be accepted.


If any one would care to coment feel "free" to do so.....:)

[Spud Emperor]

If any one would care to coment feel "free" to do so.....:)

Yep!
I wanted to comment but after reading that drivel, I was basically comentose(sic).

[Quantum Quack]

don't care....:)

[Quantum Quack]

they have already got the message...am awaiting a response

[Crunchy Cat]

QQ, take a vacation. Your profession and / or exposure to patients with schizophrenia are really taking you over the edge.

[Quantum Quack]

Part of what is driving this CC is that at this very moment I have over 20 known friends and relatives all suffering forms of "schizophrenia" including severe thyroid issues and other major symptoms due to the influence of these morons.

To witness what they are doing to my kids and close relatives just makes me very determined.

So far there have been4 hospital admissions for "unable to be diagnosed " bowel and lower intestine complaints. [ similar to severe appendicitis but of a very different location of inflamation.] edit: 6 hospital admissions for indeterminable chronic Bowl complaints including to very young children of a very close friend.
3 hospital admissions for severe depression and a whole heap of other sundry issues.

All are now in a chronic and persistant state with only passing relief.

Now If I remember correctly schizophrenia is not contagious yet here we have serious issues coming from way too many persons all associated with myself who also have a history of normal to very good health in the past.

Especially since becoming aware of their contriviances. [ about 10 months ago ]

Whilst some may be considered a statistically expected the numbers are just way too high to be ignored.

And this is just the circumstancial evidence!

I only just realised the connection about 24 hours ago and so many pieces to a very big puzzle suddenly make a whole lot of sense.

[cosmictraveler]

May you find a singularity that you can become one with. OMMMM!:p

[Quantum Quack]

A test I have been doing has been asking people to review and offer contructive criticism for a business web site I produced and published.
So far in about 3 months I have been unable to achieve constructive criticism by any one that I have an association with, however all persons I have asked have suddenly sufferred severe insomnia and a variety of other complaints. [I have had by the way over 7000 hits to the site since launch about 10 days ago but as yet not a single feedback response]

so if you want to test the process go to
www.bizzylink.com
and offer some constructive criticism if you can by posting in this forum.

[I bet that you will find some reason not to and also suffer serious issues such as insomnia, thyroid hyperactivity and possibly depression]

And if the words "Egotistic"
"egocentric" come to mind you are in trouble.....

[Crunchy Cat]

Part of what is driving this CC is that at this very moment I have over 20 known friends and relatives all suffering forms of "schizophrenia" including severe thyroid issues and other major symptoms due to the influence of these morons.

To witness what they are doing to my kids and close relatives just makes me very determined.

So far there have been4 hospital admissions for "unable to be diagnosed " bowel and lower intestine complaints. [ similar to severe appendicitis but of a very different location of inflamation.] edit: 6 hospital admissions for indeterminable chronic Bowl complaints including to very young children of a very close friend.
3 hospital admissions for severe depression and a whole heap of other sundry issues.

All are now in a chronic and persistant state with only passing relief.

Now If I remember correctly schizophrenia is not contagious yet here we have serious issues coming from way too many persons all associated with myself who also have a history of normal to very good health in the past.

Especially since becoming aware of their contriviances. [ about 10 months ago ]

Whilst some may be considered a statistically expected the numbers are just way too high to be ignored.

And this is just the circumstancial evidence!

I only just realised the connection about 24 hours ago and so many pieces to a very big puzzle suddenly make a whole lot of sense.

QQ, the human brain is very good at noticing differences / similarities. It is also predisposed to inventing correlations and use those as causality (you of all people should know this). It's also much harder to obtain objectivity when presented with the stress of everyone around you suffering similar symptoms without clear diagnosis.

Maybe a different systematic approach can be taken to investigating what's happening. It might be valuable to start finding the identities and deltas between anyone afflicted:

* What food is being eaten?
* Where does the food come from (all the way back to the source)?
* What soaps / detergents / cleaning products / hair products / etc. are being used and where do they come from?
* What's in the water and where does it come from?
* What's in the air and where are those elements coming from?
* What medications are being used and where are they coming from?
* What are the sources of wave generation in your area (radio, microwave, electrical, etc.)?
* What information does the local administration have concerning Toxins in the area?
* What entomylogical changes have occured in your area?
* How is the local wild life doing (with particular focus on mammals)?

If matches are found, start putting changes on those items on a timeline and find out what has transpired.

[Crunchy Cat]

A test I have been doing has been asking people to review and offer contructive criticism for a business web site I produced and published.
So far in about 3 months I have been unable to achieve constructive criticism by any one that I have an association with, however all persons I have asked have suddenly sufferred severe insomnia and a variety of other complaints. [I have had by the way over 7000 hits to the site since launch about 10 days ago but as yet not a single feedback response]

so if you want to test the process go to
www.bizzylink.com
and offer some constructive criticism if you can by posting in this forum.

[I bet that you will find some reason not to and also suffer serious issues such as insomnia, thyroid hyperactivity and possibly depression]

And if the words "Egotistic"
"egocentric" come to mind you are in trouble.....

Let's break that correlation is causation cycle so you can see it. I'll check out the site and provide feedback.

[spidergoat]

Electromagnetic fields can be detected with the proper equipment. I am extremely skeptical of your claims of mind control. No one really understands the mind as yet, so how could anyone control it? Your complaints are almost identical to a friend of mine who is quite obviously schizophrenic, a person so unimportant in the scheme of things that no one would ever go to the expense and bother of controlling his mind.

It's possible that there is some environmental toxin in your area, perhaps the effects of Chernobyl, maybe lead or mercury poisoning... dare I say involvement in drugs...

[Quantum Quack]

It is also predisposed to inventing correlations and use those as causality (you of all people should know this).

absolutely correct and I certainly do know this.
What are the sources of wave generation in your area (radio, microwave, electrical, etc.)?

Does a small electromagnetic disc attached to the right temple of a power crazed idiot qualify as a em wav source generator? [ any way it is a quantum device which transends EM.]

hmmm Maybe...yes?

What medications are being used and where are they coming from?
not much to start with but plenty meds now....thank you....

I do appreciate your interest though...thanks CC.

[Quantum Quack]

Electromagnetic fields can be detected with the proper equipment. I am extremely skeptical of your claims of mind control. No one really understands the mind as yet, so how could anyone control it? Your complaints are almost identical to a friend of mine who is quite obviously schizophrenic, a person so unimportant in the scheme of things that no one would ever go to the expense and bother of controlling his mind.

It's possible that there is some environmental toxin in your area, perhaps the effects of Chernobyl, maybe lead or mercury poisoning... dare I say involvement in drugs...

It is not something that the popular press would take on SpiderGoat. Especially when the morons use DENIAL as their founding technique.

It is the DENIAL that is making all my relatives and friends sick because the heart knows one thing and the mind is being told another. Totally binding my relatives an dclose friends and their associates into a state of chronic debilitation.

It cost me a marriage I might add as well which I shall certainly be seeking compenations for.

I might add for the benefit of our disc wearing monitor.
"There is no greater crime against the welfare of this universe than what you have committed."

[spidergoat]

Who cares about the press? First confirm the evidence that there is something real occurring, like cell phone towers or something, then you can lobby to do something about it. Otherwise, you're just crazy, and believe me, there is no shortage of crazy people in the world. Your paranoia points to mental illness as the most likely explanation.

[Quantum Quack]

Electromagnetic fields can be detected with the proper equipment. I am extremely skeptical of your claims of mind control. No one really understands the mind as yet, so how could anyone control it? Your complaints are almost identical to a friend of mine who is quite obviously schizophrenic, a person so unimportant in the scheme of things that no one would ever go to the expense and bother of controlling his mind.

It's possible that there is some environmental toxin in your area, perhaps the effects of Chernobyl, maybe lead or mercury poisoning... dare I say involvement in drugs...

Of course you are entitiled to be extremely skeptical. Shit! even I with all my psych experience was extremely skeptical. But I can assure you I am no longer.
Since posting this 12 hours ago things have improved remarkably. [ I actually got some quality sleep for a change ]

I am "hoping" to get some positive news from friends and relatives over the next few days.

This thread is not about proving psych, but simply informing the perpetrators that their influence will no longer be tolerated and that global ignorance is no longer a benefit to them.

[Quantum Quack]

Who cares about the press? First confirm the evidence that there is something real occurring, like cell phone towers or something, then you can lobby to do something about it. Otherwise, you're just crazy, and believe me, there is no shortage of crazy people in the world. Your paranoia points to mental illness as the most likely explanation.

Why would a quantum device need cell phone towers SG?

yeah of course I am crazy. Crazy and mad as hell....
and I might add I find it incredibly arrogant to suggest that you can assume that you have all the known knowledge about how the mind works. There is a lot more knowledge out there than you are aware of.

Popular medical opinion is about as useful as a wet tea towel.

[Quantum Quack]

btw
there are 28 persons from different locations around the world all seeking to find the perps HQ.....at present it appears to be North Eastern Europe
The quantum signature can be traced by it's resonance at source guys!

[Crunchy Cat]

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so if you want to test the process go to
www.bizzylink.com
and offer some constructive criticism if you can by posting in this forum.
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Done.

TOP PANE:
* What state is Dandenong in? Without that information, someone out-of-state might not find the site valuable.


LEFTMOST NAVIGATION PANE:
* The gradients of the individual items are visually distracting and makes it hard read the text.
* Empty items should be removed.
* Shoppers Club should be removed until it is completed.
* Video Chat should be removed until it is completed.
* About Us should be removed until it is completed.
* The Admin item should be removed.
* All items indented under the Dandy Gossiper don't appear to be related to the Gossiper; hence, they should not be indented.


HOME SCREEN:
* A visually distracting background image makes it very hard to read the text.
* Community Services Listing should be removed as it is incomplete.
* Gossiper Local News should be removed as its on the navigation pane (don't be afraid to have items on the navigation pane that take up more than one line by the way).
* The link 'Local Business Directory Listing' has a different name on the navigation pane (the name being 'Retail Listing'). The names should be identical.
* The 'Business Forum and Video Chat' link has a different name on the navigation pane (the name being 'Video Chat'). They should be identical.
* The 'CONTACT US' link's case does not match the item on the nagivation pane (it is 'Contact Us'). They should be identical.
* There are too many colors in the textual description (white, yellow, light pink, and dark pink). Two colors is more than enough (bold face is ok for any color).
* The 'Upgrade to Gold' banner is cut off at the bottom.


RETAIL LISTING SCREEN:
* Might want to consider adding a mapquest directions link for each business.
* Might want to consider having a user ratings / review section for each business.
* E-Shop column header is not aligned to the table.
* M/Shop column header is not aligned to the table.
* Might want to consider subtle alternating colors between table items for ease of visual tracking.


NEW BUSINESSES SCREEN:
* Same background image / text color issues as the HOME screen.


CLASSIFIEDS SCREEN:
* The style of presentation would be better if it had a navigation pane and content pane (similar to Retail Listing).


SUBSCRIPTIONS SCREEN:
* Same background image / text color issues as the HOME screen.


DANDY GOSSIPER SCREEN:
* What is the motivation for people to submit gossip? i.e. What's in it for them?


SPONSORS SCREEN:
WEB SERVICES SCREEN:
CONTACT US SCREEN:
BIZZY REPS SCREEN:
* Same background image / text color issues as the HOME screen.

[Quantum Quack]

Done.

TOP PANE:
* What state is Dandenong in? Without that information, someone out-of-state might not find the site valuable.


LEFTMOST NAVIGATION PANE:
* The gradients of the individual items are visually distracting and makes it hard read the text.
* Empty items should be removed.
* Shoppers Club should be removed until it is completed.
* Video Chat should be removed until it is completed.
* About Us should be removed until it is completed.
* The Admin item should be removed.
* All items indented under the Dandy Gossiper don't appear to be related to the Gossiper; hence, they should not be indented.


HOME SCREEN:
* A visually distracting background image makes it very hard to read the text.
* Community Services Listing should be removed as it is incomplete.
* Gossiper Local News should be removed as its on the navigation pane (don't be afraid to have items on the navigation pane that take up more than one line by the way).
* The link 'Local Business Directory Listing' has a different name on the navigation pane (the name being 'Retail Listing'). The names should be identical.
* The 'Business Forum and Video Chat' link has a different name on the navigation pane (the name being 'Video Chat'). They should be identical.
* The 'CONTACT US' link's case does not match the item on the nagivation pane (it is 'Contact Us'). They should be identical.
* There are too many colors in the textual description (white, yellow, light pink, and dark pink). Two colors is more than enough (bold face is ok for any color).
* The 'Upgrade to Gold' banner is cut off at the bottom.


RETAIL LISTING SCREEN:
* Might want to consider adding a mapquest directions link for each business.
* Might want to consider having a user ratings / review section for each business.
* E-Shop column header is not aligned to the table.
* M/Shop column header is not aligned to the table.
* Might want to consider subtle alternating colors between table items for ease of visual tracking.


NEW BUSINESSES SCREEN:
* Same background image / text color issues as the HOME screen.


CLASSIFIEDS SCREEN:
* The style of presentation would be better if it had a navigation pane and content pane (similar to Retail Listing).


SUBSCRIPTIONS SCREEN:
* Same background image / text color issues as the HOME screen.


DANDY GOSSIPER SCREEN:
* What is the motivation for people to submit gossip? i.e. What's in it for them?


SPONSORS SCREEN:
WEB SERVICES SCREEN:
CONTACT US SCREEN:
BIZZY REPS SCREEN:
* Same background image / text color issues as the HOME screen.
holy Shit!

fantastic...ha...and unexpected...
very welcomed too I might add.....

ha....CC you put a smile on my lips for the first time in ages...well done!

I shall be continuing posting from the local shopping centre cafe/ restaurant La Porchetta.....[which is where I run the business from and observe the transition under way.] They know where I sit......

also my estranged wife has reported big improvements in her well being.

awaiting further news....

[spidergoat]

Quantum my ass. There are no "purps", it's all in your head. Get some real help.

[Crunchy Cat]

Does a small electromagnetic disc attached to the right temple of a power crazed idiot qualify as a em wav source generator? [ any way it is a quantum device which transends EM.]

hmmm Maybe...yes?


QQ, let me throw a little bit of hard reality into the mix. Let's entertain the idea that a small group of people:

* Have figured out how to entangle their brains with those of other people.
* Have the power requirements to achieve and sustain such entanglement without instantanenously electrocuting themselves.
* Have perfected a means to override the thoughts and actions of their targets through this technology.

If this were all true, there is still one obstacle they could not overcome... and that is entangled brains would instantly kill people. Lets say for example, 1 square inch of my brain is entangled with one square inch of yours. If I take a step forward while you are standing still, guess what is going to happen? One square inch of your brain is going to squish into one square inch of grey matter in front of it. Instantaneous 2 square inches of brain damage. You see the point? Similarly, because of the entanglement, the absolute reverse could happen (there is no such thing as unidirectional entanglement). Think... QQ... think.

[Quantum Quack]

Quantum my ass. There are no "purps", it's all in your head. Get some real help.

exactly ......it's all in our heads.....ha

[Crunchy Cat]

holy Shit!

fantastic...ha...and unexpected...
very welcomed too I might add.....

ha....CC you put a smile on my lips for the first time in ages...well done!

I shall be continuing posting from the local shopping centre cafe/ restaurant La Porchetta.....[which is where I run the business from and observe the transition under way.] They know where I sit......

also my estranged wife has reported big improvements in her well being.

awaiting further news....

I am glad it put a smile on your face and I hope it helps you make the website all it can be :).

[Quantum Quack]

QQ, let me throw a little bit of hard reality into the mix. Let's entertain the idea that a small group of people:

* Have figured out how to entangle their brains with those of other people.
* Have the power requirements to achieve and sustain such entanglement without instantanenously electrocuting themselves.
* Have perfected a means to override the thoughts and actions of their targets through this technology.

If this were all true, there is still one obstacle they could not overcome... and that is entangled brains would instantly kill people. Lets say for example, 1 square inch of my brain is entangled with one square inch of yours. If I take a step forward while you are standing still, guess what is going to happen? One square inch of your brain is going to squish into one square inch of grey matter in front of it. Instantaneous 2 square inches of brain damage. You see the point? Similarly, because of the entanglement, the absolute reverse could happen (there is no such thing as unidirectional entanglement). Think... QQ... think.

Actually I must admit years ago I had to consider just this as I skeptically had to deal with certain things, however the entanglement does not have it's effect in reality as such.

The effect is through a zero point [ tunnel if you like - however it has no dimensions so tunnel would be inappropriate in a strict sense, even gateway woudl be incorrect]

I was going to publish "zero point theory" ages ago but discovered my posts were being monitored and surprisingly I suddenly lost interest. I pondered on why I had lost interest for a few weeks then it dawned upon me that I was possibly being manipulated beyond that which I would normally allow.

A bit of steady research and consistant testing has shown with out doubt the influence and it's signature.
To me it is evident in refraction of imagination, or more importantly spatial imagination or what I call Promagination [ projections of self through space and time.
And what is more distressing and initially confusing is witnessing it in other people around me especially when I can sense their struggle against the influence [ usually by way of over correction, loss of balance, short term memory loss, self awareness loss and dropping things all the time]

hmmmm...I shall stop for a moment as I am not accustomed to having this freedom to express myself freely again.
[ one of the main reasons for the Global pandemic in persons suffering depression could very well be their reaction to the Oppression being applied. The similarity between symptoms of depression and the symptons of oppression can be confused very easilly.]


shall post again soon...

[Crunchy Cat]

QQ, Entanglement has very specific behaviors and what you are describing is something else entirely. I would find it very unlikely that some group of people in Eastern Europe have perfected some kind of mind control technology that are far beyond the knowledge of mainstream physics and neuroscience. And you know... demonstratable objective evidence is the key.

I semi-recently saw an Oprah episode (yes my wife watches it so I have to as well :grumble: ) where she had Jennifer Mcarthy as a guest to discuss Autism (her son was afflicted). One day it just seemed to happen (almost out of the blue) and the symtoms she described are very similar to the ones you seemed to have experienced. She did alot of research in conjunction with a group parents and she found strong correlary evidence that man-made toxic chemicals found in various foods were present in each of the cases. After removing those foods in conjunction with alot of TLC, her son recovered. The point is, there are alot of poisions in our environment that can really mess us up (temporarily or permanently).

[Quantum Quack]

QQ, let me throw a little bit of hard reality into the mix. Let's entertain the idea that a small group of people:

* Have figured out how to entangle their brains with those of other people.
* Have the power requirements to achieve and sustain such entanglement without instantanenously electrocuting themselves.
* Have perfected a means to override the thoughts and actions of their targets through this technology.

If this were all true, there is still one obstacle they could not overcome... and that is entangled brains would instantly kill people. Lets say for example, 1 square inch of my brain is entangled with one square inch of yours. If I take a step forward while you are standing still, guess what is going to happen? One square inch of your brain is going to squish into one square inch of grey matter in front of it. Instantaneous 2 square inches of brain damage. You see the point? Similarly, because of the entanglement, the absolute reverse could happen (there is no such thing as unidirectional entanglement). Think... QQ... think.

a good example....

I was thinking North western Europe when typing the location and what did I type but North Eastern Europe [ blind spot memory lapse ].....I tend to think Sweden or Finland ,yet to be confirmed. [ I normally do not make such silly mistakes. ]

[Quantum Quack]

QQ, Entanglement has very specific behaviors and what you are describing is something else entirely. I would find it very unlikely that some group of people in Eastern Europe have perfected some kind of mind control technology that are far beyond the knowledge of mainstream physics and neuroscience. And you know... demonstratable objective evidence is the key.

I semi-recently saw an Oprah episode (yes my wife watches it so I have to as well :grumble: ) where she had Jennifer Mcarthy as a guest to discuss Autism (her son was afflicted). One day it just seemed to happen (almost out of the blue) and the symtoms she described are very similar to the ones you seemed to have experienced. She did alot of research in conjunction with a group parents and she found strong correlary evidence that man-made toxic chemicals found in various foods were present in each of the cases. After removing those foods in conjunction with alot of TLC, her son recovered. The point is, there are alot of poisions in our environment that can really mess us up (temporarily or permanently).

all good points CC all good.

Local toxins in food stuffs would be ok if it involved only persons in a close community. Here it involves persons spread over an entire capital city and interstate, and over seas.

True that current mainstream understanding of quantum entaglement is such and limited.I used the words because they would recognise what I was talking about.

Entanglement itself suggests temporary states or at least the ability to dis-entangle.
In current understanding dis-entanglement is possible however in this issue the whole universe is entangled via the zero point. And is a fundamental of how inertia functions not to mention various other aspects of quantum or hyper space universe physics. According to my own research and understanding the human mind is also entangled similarilly.

Of course objects of mass do appear to have independant movement with out the crushing effect you talked of earlier however their resistance to changes in momentum is a direct result of all masses being entangled via a zero point. The zero poit iteslf offers no resistance to independance however the transferred effects between masses does provide the effect of inertia and why it is a universal constant as it is with gravity.

Objective evidence is currently not available however I am very confident this will become so in the future.

After all this crap has passed I shall publish the theory and provide evidence to support it using conventional methods.

nb.
It is in the interests of these people to ensure psychic pheno can not be proven as to do so would expose their shitty behaviour.

we shall see something very soon I reckon.....

[spidergoat]

Have you tried one of these?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:HSqUKkg66GgoUM:http://www.gamepolitics.com/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg

[Quantum Quack]

if it would work I wouldn't hesitate. But unfortunately you seem to miss the important point I was making about the fact that it utilises a sort of quantum tunneling effect or in other words it doesn't produce EM.

Now if you post again about Em type devices I can only refer you back to this post...ok?

[Quantum Quack]

Update - day 3:
If you thought the thread so far was incredible you aint going to believe whats happened since posting!

So I am not going to bother posting the detail....

but would like to ask any persons who have suffered sudden coughing fits, dizziness, insomnia, or stomache complaints, or hallucination type psychosis [ auditiory or visual ] since reading this thread to post if they can.

[Crunchy Cat]

I have been feeling great all weekend QQ.

[Quantum Quack]

I have been feeling great all weekend QQ.
good to hear that you have been well. CC

So far 4 people associated have reported dramatic improvement.

Mostly insomnia issues greatly reduced. However their persistant hacking cough has calmed somewhat as well. [thyroid glands appear to be stabilising] Of course they do not realise what is happening but will eventually.

Got a bit go yet though.

[Crunchy Cat]

Well, keep us informed. Inquiring minds want to know.

[snake river rufus]

btw
there are 28 persons from different locations around the world all seeking to find the perps HQ.....at present it appears to be North Eastern Europe
The quantum signature can be traced by it's resonance at source guys!

N.E.Europe? nooo, you are very cold. We are using HAARP for you. we care enough to send the very best.:rolleyes:

[Tnerb]

Excellent thread! I haven't read the 2nd page, and, cannot exactly say I understood the exact source of the first pages issues...

With that being said, I go on to what I want to say :p

I'll read the rest of the thread.

QQ, I'm not quite sure if you refered to me in this thread, but the way you write kicks ass. Anyway.

Spidergoat:


It's pretty certain that people do understand the mind. I can't be totally sure but had to comment there about that. As far as the mind control goes, will control and other real issues presented by QQ, I'd have to say. If I think that I'm being affected by them, or, get this: they somehow affect my reality... and, how can you deny what your reality is... then they must without doubt be real. Will control. Affect control. It's all pretty straight forward.

If you can't understand the fucking basics don't even bother.

But since this thread is about other things I won't bother either, as QQ said specifically this thread isn't entirely about, proving the "psychic" realm but wouldn't it be a treat :D LOL Anyhow.

I am skeptical too, but, there's no reason to be entirely skepticial, although of course that is exactly what keeps us alive, possibly, is, our skepticism.
It's a defense mechanism or a protection ability, which eases our way of being. Of course there are plenty of ways of being. ... Sigh/// :/

So. Let me check out the thread again, and try again to understand some things I might get back but might have to stay away from this computer for a while until I get my own...

Later

[superluminal]

Hi QQ. Been a while. I hope you're being serious here. I remember seeing a pic of you and your wife. Sorry to hear about your difficulties on that front. As for the rest of it, I really have no idea what to say. Given your post history I'm a bit confused.

[Quantum Quack]

Hi QQ. Been a while. I hope you're being serious here. I remember seeing a pic of you and your wife. Sorry to hear about your difficulties on that front. As for the rest of it, I really have no idea what to say. Given your post history I'm a bit confused.

Yes SL I understand your concerns for my state of mind.
Which I must admit is ironic in a sense that my posts above are actually in concern with the state of mind seemingly inflicted upon the persons I have assocations with.

Unfortunately if I could consider it all to be just a fabrication of an over active imagination I would be even more crazy...[ and angry too I might add ]

The only thing I can say at this stage is that "the proof is in the pudding" or should I say the outcome.
So far it has been nearly 7 days and so far I have seen remarkable recoveries from many persons some I didn't even know about have since seen fit to contact me and indicate how well they are feeling although they have no idea what is happening here or with regards to this incredible issue.

My ex partner is slowly regaining her wits and health due to better sleep.
My friends very young <5yoa children are now more comfortable regarding their chronic gastro type complaints.
Persons suffering severe depression are becoming more active etc etc...

I can count at this stage over 12 significant imporvements and frankly opnions about my state of mind are irrelevant given what has been happening and is now happening to the people I care about.

For example my son has now managed to complete the exams successfully for his degree in Music and education. An enourmous effort was put in the last 5 days once he was freed up [ in his mind ] to finish his essay tasks.

My first wife [ the mother of my son ] also reports huge improvement in her own health [ hacking cough and severe dizziness]

My father has survived his 5th major cancer surgery [ 2* lung ]

The human body is incredible in it's adaptability to the environmant it must survive in.

To cripple a person by forcing them to deny their emotional being [ love, affection, truths by cohercing them into self suppression and oppression has a devastating effect on a "sane" persons health. [ nothing new in that hey?]

The heart knows the truth but the mind is forced to deny it.

The situation here has been seriously dangerous to my person on 2 separate yet associated occassions over the past 7 days.

The first occasion happened the morning after this thread was instigated.
A person impersonating a police officer threatened to have me charged with child molestation. The person concerned is a serious interstate criminal who is wanted by the police for questioning. [ according to surveilence footage and the local police]

Why a known Crim on the run would expose himself as he did is bewildering and obviously due to timing I would suggest that this thread had a lot to do with it.
The second occasion was due to the sophisticated security at the Shopping Center failing.

The general manager of security that is a friend of mine can not explain the failure.
This meant that my usual and deliberate sitting position which is external to the plaza was totally free of video surveilance.
Police presence in the immediate area was non-existant [ normally regular patrols occur every 60 minutes or so.]

The same crim approached me again took pictures and made threats of his "boys" taking actions. This time he maintained his intimidation attack for nearly 60 minutes with out any concern for surveilance.

[ Don't get me wrong the guy involved is one mean SOB and with out doubt leathal. Built like a brick Shit house too I might add]

After this the situation staterted to improve with reports coming in from all over the place.....
Psychic warfare can be a very traumatic experience SL and one day maybe when the evidence is presented properly we can sit down and go into it a bit. However it can be stated that most mental health issues suffered today are due to some form of psychic warfare not necessarilly just due to this mind control issue regarding the topic of this thread, but also social and community based psychic warefare.

The mind controllers I am referring to have simply learned how to capitalise on what normally occures between people and manipulating it to their ends.

In esio-meta-physical terms they woud be refered to as black wicca or worse.

In this case however it appears to be well organised and money profit [power]orientated. Which of course is their ultimate weakness. {desire for money thus power of money existentialises their pyschic abilities thus the need for a frigging electro mechanical device}

Whilst I am not prepared to say so with total confidence [ if there is ever such a thing as total] The words "Illuminati" keep croping up.

[Quantum Quack]

btw for the information of the monitors.
the 28 has grown to 76.
so give it your best shot....

[Tnerb]

By god man, that was great...

[Quantum Quack]

By god man, that was great...

yeah....F*ck em!!

[Tnerb]

lol say... what??

[Quantum Quack]

about the disc.

From what i can understand it was possibly a device developed and used by the military [ undisclosed nation] to amplify a modern Fighter pilots ability to concentrate over extended battle conditions.
The disc is about the 2.5 cms in diameter and is a magnetic resonance or harmonic device that attunes with the wearers mind [ especially right frontal lobe]

They must have discovered that it also amplified other factors especially when it came to cohercion of females. Thus they found out that it had enourmous cohercive ability if trained in a certain way and once they got their proverbial dicks out of the manipultated fems and learned to "concentrate" on other benefits golbal control [obviously] became a real possibility.

The device however can be countered by the the mind of the operator rejecting the devices amplifiction which leads to intense over heating of the right frontal lobe thus brain trauma can result.

If any one reading this thread experiences problems the best protective method is to imagine yourself wearing the very same disc. [In psych terms this equates to being fully aware of cohercion which fires up the bodies instinctive self defense mechanisms [ which I might add are extremely profound once triggered]

[Tnerb]

Is that what this thread is about? Your fighting these guys, these mind control murdering bastards from some state that you don't know.

I don't really understand honestly...

So, you challange them to the death. I guess they deserve it. U know there not gonna want to fight you. How do u know where there at can u feel their control mechanism. I don't understand a single bit.

Where did you hear this kind of stuff frm neway.
Hows do u knows that theysa exists even,sa?

[Tnerb]

So a possible psychic attack. That is very, very confusing, and very, very ... mean.

[Quantum Quack]

So a possible psychic attack. That is very, very confusing, and very, very ... mean.
nothing "possible" about it Brent. Defined and evidenced by the recovery underway.

[spidergoat]

Please post an image of the disk.

[Tnerb]

Come on man.


The recovery. You mean, you know that it is happening. I can take your word for this right. Maybe it's me qq.

[Quantum Quack]

Come on man.


The recovery. You mean, you know that it is happening. I can take your word for this right. Maybe it's me qq.

Brent "my word" not needed to be taken, just the experience of recovery will suffice.

[Quantum Quack]

Please post an image of the disk.
externally it appears as a carbon fibre [ similar in texture to "load stone"] disc about 2.5 cm diameter with a depth of about 5 mm.
Dark in colour aproximating Black [ non reflective dark carbon ]
Adhered to the temple using some sort of adheasive.
no point drawing a picture

[Quantum Quack]

btw,


I do not wish to imply that any form of legitimate military organisation whether secret or public are using this device currently as a mind controller but possibly the technology has fallen out of their hands.

[Tnerb]

Good lord jesus christ.


What do you mean, I want to know if you ......know, that this is happening or not. You must be refering to... just experiencing 'my' recovery.

Damn. Look, I don't need to take your word for it if you say that it is happening, then I will at least understand that I think it's happening. That's it, really. Just I'm experiencing my recovery sure, it's a pain in the ass. It's more a pain in the ass then, anything I t hink i've ever had to experience of recovery. It isn't like t he rest of the stuff that you think you're suffering through, it isnt like all of the bullshit that you think is happening to you or some failed h elp through some psychologist or anything at all what so ever like that... The experience of recovery is next to impossible because I'm rendered to a state where I can't even sleep, I know that sounds maybe sort of normal but I've not really ever been like that before,...

Just a little while ago someone had told me that I am what I am or whatever. And my problem is not thinking th at I am what I am. I have so much to consider. Not sleeping isn't even the main problem...

It's this damn action paralysis and this other bullshit that is driving me off the wall. It's like i'm "souless", and now, I have to keep an eye out for some other psychic stress. Just imagining that some sort of device is over my head and remembering self defense stuff..

/0-o/

[Quantum Quack]

Good lord jesus christ.


What do you mean, I want to know if you ......know, that this is happening or not. You must be refering to... just experiencing 'my' recovery.

Damn. Look, I don't need to take your word for it if you say that it is happening, then I will at least understand that I think it's happening. That's it, really. Just I'm experiencing my recovery sure, it's a pain in the ass. It's more a pain in the ass then, anything I t hink i've ever had to experience of recovery. It isn't like t he rest of the stuff that you think you're suffering through, it isnt like all of the bullshit that you think is happening to you or some failed h elp through some psychologist or anything at all what so ever like that... The experience of recovery is next to impossible because I'm rendered to a state where I can't even sleep, I know that sounds maybe sort of normal but I've not really ever been like that before,...

Just a little while ago someone had told me that I am what I am or whatever. And my problem is not thinking th at I am what I am. I have so much to consider. Not sleeping isn't even the main problem...

It's this damn action paralysis and this other bullshit that is driving me off the wall. It's like i'm "souless", and now, I have to keep an eye out for some other psychic stress. Just imagining that some sort of device is over my head and remembering self defense stuff..

/0-o/

Sorry Brent to cause further confusion for you but unfortunately there is a much bigger picture involevd here.

So many people have suffered enourmously because of this......Some are living and some are now dead because of it.... I really can not make any apology as it is not me that needs to apologise.

[Quantum Quack]

externally it appears as a carbon fibre [ similar in texture to "load stone"] disc about 2.5 cm diameter with a depth of about 5 mm.
Dark in colour aproximating Black [ non reflective dark carbon ]
Adhered to the temple using some sort of adheasive.
no point drawing a picture

How ever I may be able to draw a picture of the face(s) that are wearing it.....hmmmmm....tempting.......

[Tnerb]

It isn't me right...
Apparently, it is me that needs to appologise.

I don't quite get the bigger picture ur talking about...

I don't remember what i read a little eariler, but,
So, a lot of people are now dead, a lot of people are now alive, etc etc etc; because of these people- is that all there is. These people, thats what this is about...

Oh yeah. This might not make nooooo sense what so ever but, when you said 'people that are making crimes aganist humanity', I do feel that it is me, and me alone that is making a crime aganist humanity.

By effecting other people,- you had also said, .. i forget what iw sa just about to say "there is no excuse for it anymore" or something. I forget. But I know that I might be to blame for this too.

Afterall, thanksgiving has probably caused much nightmares for some of those who came and had thanksgiving. My cat is proably suffering from the influences that I have given to it, and my grandmother, just from my words: you said you're like that: What do I do? How do I stop it? It isn't me thats for sure. Wait.

So. You are publishing this on the internet knowing full and well; that, this is a real issue right. Well then. I guess we should discuss it. as if we are not discussing it already.

[Quantum Quack]

It isn't me right...
Apparently, it is me that needs to appologise.

I don't quite get the bigger picture ur talking about...

I don't remember what i read a little eariler, but,
So, a lot of people are now dead, a lot of people are now alive, etc etc etc; because of these people- is that all there is. These people, thats what this is about...

Oh yeah. This might not make nooooo sense what so ever but, when you said 'people that are making crimes aganist humanity', I do feel that it is me, and me alone that is making a crime aganist humanity.

By effecting other people,- you had also said, .. i forget what iw sa just about to say "there is no excuse for it anymore" or something. I forget. But I know that I might be to blame for this too.

Afterall, thanksgiving has probably caused much nightmares for some of those who came and had thanksgiving. My cat is proably suffering from the influences that I have given to it, and my grandmother, just from my words: you said you're like that: What do I do? How do I stop it? It isn't me thats for sure. Wait.

So. You are publishing this on the internet knowing full and well; that, this is a real issue right. Well then. I guess we should discuss it. as if we are not discussing it already.

The way will control is experienced from these people is unable to be normally detected by the victim. They are exactly what they are. They behave as they are without any doubts about who they are and whos controling their body and thoughts.
"thoroughly possesssed" would be one way of describing it.
However what happens is that even with the device their influence is not perfect and every now and then someone catches a glimpse of the truth of what is going on. They start to question their own integrity and very soon they start to talk about conspiracy theories. As soon as they mention anythign to do with "possession" "mind control", "being told what to do inaudible voices etc" the victim is immediately cionsidered as irrepairably sick and sentanced to a life time of inadequate medical and societal support, not to mention a life time of poverty and humiliation.

sound familiar?

should.....normal occurance and outcome of serious disorders such as schizphrenia.

These guys however have learned how to immitate or mimic symptoms of common schizophrenia and work in the same way that casues these conditions in the first place and that is from within and not from with out.

So in a sense they are you when they exert their influence.
Once they have discredited the complainer sufficiently enough their fears of discovery are diminished.

But one thing they can not control entirely is a persons ability to dream, but have learned to inflict sufficient denial on a person so that dreaming is almost impossible because severe insomnia is present.

I know of three persons who have all dreamed the same dream [ described with stunniing similarity of men wielding disk like objects attached to their right temples all threatening to kill the victim if exposed.

The last person to describe this dream has just gone through 4 weeks of hell as far as her health is concerned. Undiagnosible thryroid and gastro type illnesses.

Because the crime is so significant persons becoming aware of it immediately feel compelled to speak out and are silenced also immediately.
The thyroid instability is brought about the denial of the freedom to speak as in psych terms the thyroid is seriously affected in oppressed vocal environments. [got somethng to say but can't say it]

As the subliminal messaging continues people associated with me are becoming sub consciously aware of this maniputlation and because they fear being labeled as schizphrenic can not speak out, thus the thyroid is aggravated causing the hacking cough symptoms. [ sane person trying to deal with what appears to be insane notions of mind control]
The denial takes enoumous energy from the person to maintain thus causing the sever gastro intestinal problems and symptoms similar to chronic fatigue, leading to depression and eventual hospitalisation if not suicide.
combined the effects are horrific on a persons life style and means of earning a living.

One of the reasons for running this thread was to bring the issue out in the open and allow "so called sane" persons who have been silenced an opportunity for understaning also at a subconscious level and conscious level.
Thus relieving the effects

[Quantum Quack]

so ....what money making industry do you think benefis the most from this bullshit?

Any one know how many persons on the planet are currently dependant on some form of medication?
Any one know how many are likey to be dependant on some form of medication in 5 -10 - 15 years from now?

How much money are we talking about.....?

What other industry has most to gain?

[Tnerb]

The psychaitriasts?

Your scaring me man, scaring me too much.

[Tnerb]

Aren't you afraid of them too then.

[Tnerb]

QQ.

I have very bad news. I will get back on in at most 2 hours from this present time i write this.

Please send me a private message, or MSN etc.

[K.FLINT]

Wow

[Tnerb]

I-AM-A-MoDeraToR-I-WILL-DELETe-IRELLEVaNT-PosTs

[Quantum Quack]

No Brent I am not directing this thread at you personally but at the disc wearing morons only. I am not implying your situation is the subject of this thread in particular. I am not alluding or being anything but totally transperant.

[Tnerb]

I understand.
Sorry for my rude outbursts... :/


Btw, what is the situation with these morons exactly.
..

[Quantum Quack]

Currently their influence has weakened considerably. The general feeling is much smoother and not as aggresive.
My ex-partner has reported her 5th day of consectutive >6hours sleep and looks much better.

Also the ambient tension here has diminished considerably. My own sleep has improved also.

There is a threshhold where their influence will shift dramatically as their own sleep patterns are worsening.

"Yes they do have to sleep too you know"

Any way a breakthrough should happen as soon as their fatigue over whelms their ability to concentrate.

[Crunchy Cat]

QQ, if I were a science fiction writer I would plagairize this thread ;)

[Quantum Quack]

ha...they sometimes say that "truth is stranger than fiction" well I reckon there is some "truth" in that ......hmmmm

and yeah it would make for a good sci fi thriller.......so hows it going to end CC? Care to speculate?:)

[Crunchy Cat]

I predict the ending will involve little grey anal-probing aliens with big black eyes and they will call themselves "Illuminaughty".

[Quantum Quack]

I predict the ending will involve little grey anal-probing aliens with big black eyes and they will call themselves "Illuminaughty".

aww cc "illuminaughty" is bit harsh don't you think?

Any way their eyes are grey and tiny little itty bitty pin holes in the side of their arse!

[Crunchy Cat]

I think you just invented a new kink right there.

[Crunchy Cat]

QQ, so how is this tale unfolding?

[Quantum Quack]

QQ, so how is this tale unfolding?

Actually it is hard to say at this point. Although the battle itself seems to be over and peace seems to have been achieved in the main a sort of "repairing" is under way.
[After my grandson and daughter were taken to hospital emergency with sever gastro type symptoms an dgrand son had sever tonsilitis [ he is 6 months old]]. [ Both are currently recovering]

The hunt of course, still continues for the group responsible but at yet they haven't been sighted "visually".
The truth of it all is rising up through the subconscious and will make it's revelation soon enough.

The monitoring of this thread has ceased other than the usual stuff. [ military bots etc etc.....]
The monitoring of my position at the local shopping center has also ceased to be so intruisive. In other words plaza security monitoring is now as it would normally be. My relationship with Plaza Security [ which has always been very good] has been restored.

A sort of hiatus period I think.....

A couple of key people in this battle have come out of the wood work and made contact for the first time in years. [ I never force contact with any one so it is entirely up to them and their circumstances as to what they contact me or not...I remain open to contact both materially and psychic-ally at all times ]

You may recall Ozzie's [ my brother in law] fears about freewill interventions or violations {SDV's} during the telepathic trial thread run some years ago with you and Prince James. This is just because the respect for freedom of will and self-determination and the values this imparts are enourmously important to us.

An interesting time lies ahead...for sure



and thats about it for now.....

[Crunchy Cat]

I swear, I am living in the wrong country.

[Quantum Quack]

I swear, I am living in the wrong country.
why do you say that?

[Gustav]

i say
what is this challenge?

/deep...deep stuff :confused:

[Quantum Quack]

maybe skinwalker would care to answer that question....

[Crunchy Cat]

why do you say that?

That type of adventure doesn't appear to happen around these parts.

[Reiku]

I don't get this at all.

[Crunchy Cat]

Ooooh QQ, you have to see this link:

http://www.stopabductions.com/

Scroll down to the 'Telepathic War' link on the left hand scroll panel. I told you there would be aliens.

[Quantum Quack]

Ooooh QQ, you have to see this link:

http://www.stopabductions.com/

Scroll down to the 'Telepathic War' link on the left hand scroll panel. I told you there would be aliens.

ahhh! I wondered where me ole' mate Rizzo got to [ re: photo of alien on said web link site] ha!

Don't be fooled he is only sleeping which is why they can't find him now....he escaped when they weren't looking and the governement is soooo embarrassed.....ha

[Quantum Quack]

Not alot happening at present ...well not much that I can discuss unfortunately. However what I can say is that it appears that the "relative" peace is sustainable and apart from the occassional blip of behaviour issues everything seems almost "ordinary".....

[Crunchy Cat]

Any updates QQ?

[Quantum Quack]

Any updates QQ?
actually not much to say. A sort of peace and recovery phase if you like...
Any evidence of the disc wearing mind controllers influence has virtually disappeared. Occassionally small issues arise but this I presume is a sort of "copy cat" effect that is naturally available to every one....but this is very minor and the difference is considerable as life threat is no longer being applied.
Sorry to confuse if I have. Just not a lot to say at present. I will post as soon as news is worth posting.

The total Fatalities since start of confrontation 3 weeks ago are zero on this side of the fence....

I am not sure about the other side of the fence though.....I am in recovery as well....and am suffering a little disorientation and mild confusion...I hope all is well at your end....?

[superluminal]

Hi QQ. Glad to hear you're feeling a bit better.

[Tnerb]

Sup QQ!

[Quantum Quack]

Hi QQ. Glad to hear you're feeling a bit better.

hi SL nice to hear from you...

Yeah but most of all so it is good to see those around and overseas feeling better as well.
Incidence of gastro type symptoms has almost disappeared and thyroid complaints seem to have also.

[Quantum Quack]

the distraction of the other thread in pseudoscience has helped as well. I just like a "bun" fight I guess:D

[greenberg]

It has come to my attention through means best left un-said that the seemingly paranoid complaints of many seriously uncomfortable persons that they are being victimised by mind control or "will controling" influences has significant grounds for validity.

Those people who feel thus victimized could be, in my opinion, simply very strongly attached to being unconditionally honest and unconditionally good-willed. That is, they want to think of themselves as unconditionally honest and unconditionally good-willed, and can't bear not to be so, not even for a moment.

All that is needed to f**k someone in the head is that that person be unconditionally honest and unconditionally good-willed. This is why it is so easy to lie to kids. But most people as they gorw up, in time, learn to put conditions on their honesty and good will.

Being very strongly attached to one's own goodness and honesty is a sure way for a person to become mad. Seriously.

[Crunchy Cat]

actually not much to say. A sort of peace and recovery phase if you like...
Any evidence of the disc wearing mind controllers influence has virtually disappeared. Occassionally small issues arise but this I presume is a sort of "copy cat" effect that is naturally available to every one....but this is very minor and the difference is considerable as life threat is no longer being applied.
Sorry to confuse if I have. Just not a lot to say at present. I will post as soon as news is worth posting.

The total Fatalities since start of confrontation 3 weeks ago are zero on this side of the fence....

I am not sure about the other side of the fence though.....I am in recovery as well....and am suffering a little disorientation and mild confusion...I hope all is well at your end....?

That's good to hear. All has been well on this side. No disorientation, confusion, thyroid issues, etc.

[Tnerb]

Does thyroid have anything to do with energy bychance?

[Quantum Quack]

Those people who feel thus victimized could be, in my opinion, simply very strongly attached to being unconditionally honest and unconditionally good-willed. That is, they want to think of themselves as unconditionally honest and unconditionally good-willed, and can't bear not to be so, not even for a moment.

All that is needed to f**k someone in the head is that that person be unconditionally honest and unconditionally good-willed. This is why it is so easy to lie to kids. But most people as they gorw up, in time, learn to put conditions on their honesty and good will.

Being very strongly attached to one's own goodness and honesty is a sure way for a person to become mad. Seriously.

Greenberg,
Excellent comment and opinion. Although a little off topic..

Yes I guess we are so used to lies and deceit that when we develop a sense of inner honesty it heightens the lies and deception that surrounds us giving us a sense of persecution which when you think of it could be quite a natural yet very upsetting outcome.

The key is to be able to maintain the inner integrity yet cope with the charade that others present to the world an dindoing so present a charade of our own, therefore becoming no better, in a sense, than those that surround you, except only you know the truth and no one else does. A very lonely place to be for sure and yes can dirve a person to extremes.

[Quantum Quack]

Does thyroid have anything to do with energy bychance?
The thyroid is primarilly about communication, voice, conscious knowledge and meaning.

In the context of this thread. And as communication involves the codified exchange of energy, then yes the thryroid glands system has quite a lot to do with "energy".

[Tnerb]

That is definately weird, because I was told that I had an underactive thyroid :///
They said that some medication would be of use and that I would have to take it for the remainder of my life !!

Is fine I guess. Oh well.
That was some confusing stuff.
So the thyroid is about communicating wtf is a thyroid anyway?
Voice and conscious knowledge?
wow the thyroid must be extremely important, it is like the brain :DD AND MEANING BY GOD what is this thyroid.

Oh so it is simply in the context of this thread.
Confusing man, confusing confusing.
Ok. Done.

[Quantum Quack]

That is definately weird, because I was told that I had an underactive thyroid :///
They said that some medication would be of use and that I would have to take it for the remainder of my life !!

Is fine I guess. Oh well.
That was some confusing stuff.
So the thyroid is about communicating wtf is a thyroid anyway?
Voice and conscious knowledge?
wow the thyroid must be extremely important, it is like the brain :DD AND MEANING BY GOD what is this thyroid.

Oh so it is simply in the context of this thread.
Confusing man, confusing confusing.
Ok. Done.
It's sort of like this:
If you are doing a lot of expressing ie. talking about your own truths but no one is listening the thyroid becomes under active [ drained if you like ] it is only when you suppress communicating your truths due to the oppression of others that the thyroid seems to become hyperactive. The frustration of not being able to communicate how you feel properly tends to show up as a thyroid issue both under and over activity.

However this is not fuly supported as yet by descent stats...even by my standards....

The reason why persons that were involved in this psych war were afflicted with hyperactivity of the thyroid was because they could not express how they felt concerning their feelings of being controlled and therefore oppressed. Simply because to do so would place them in a precarious societal position with accusations and suspicion of mental illness and ridicule being directed at them.

[Tnerb]

Makes complete sense I suppose.

[Quantum Quack]

Just finished talking with my estranged wife. [ we have managed to stay friends]

"I feel utterly exhausted but am sleeping better. It feels like I've been on a long trip and now I have just made it home."

[greenberg]

Quantum Quack -

Did you and those other afflicted people wear those discs on your right temples?

[Quantum Quack]

Quantum Quack -

Did you and those other afflicted people wear those discs on your right temples?

no, I suggest you read the starting post to the thread again.

[Tnerb]

Good morning QQ.

[greenberg]

no, I suggest you read the starting post to the thread again.

I read it and I read through the thread. But I found myself rather confused afterwards.

What exactly is going on?

[Quantum Quack]

Good morning Brent. And a fine summer morning it is here in beautiful Melbourne Australia.!

I read it and I read through the thread. But I found myself rather confused afterwards.

What exactly is going on?
Hi, GB. It is not exactly surprising that you should be confused. Probably because the thread seems way to "insane" to be even "insane" [chuckle]

In simple terms it is best to state that I am a person who has extensive expereince in certain areas of psychic phenomena. Very specialised areas I guess and the area in question has been described in what has happened over the last 3 or so weeks with the launch of the challenge against a certain organisation that has been seriously influencing the course of events globally by psychic means for some time.

The way they worked was virtually impossible to detect by an individual and when detected the person was subjected to intense abuse either directly or by using those he or she had contact with.
Each person becoming a "conduit" that would be used by this organisation to destroy that persons credibility and lifestyle.

The disc wearers were sighted by other psychics on three separate occassions and during all confrontations life threats were made if disclosure occurred. The only way they can be sighted is in the form of lucid dream and if only one or two sightings had occurred one could conclude chance or other reasons but when three sightings occur from three separate and distant individuals we have something a little more tangible.
Intimidation and threat to person and property and the people you care about.

The actual mechanisms or physics involved are extremely sophisticated compared to current world understanding of the nature of the universes integrity. That is to say what keeps the universe coherant and constant in it's physics and uniform in it's cause and effects.
The disc wearers were utilising certain aspects of this universal physics to gain power and wealth.

I decided after seeing my family and friends mental and phsyical health deteriorate severely to act by posting this thread knowing full well that the thread would be being materially monitored and I would draw fire and attention from the organisation involved. Thus distracting them from attacking my family and friends and attack me instead directly. Which they did I might add.

They however fortunately do not know just how deep my psychic experence goes and I have been well aware of the physics of universal "constants" for many years. [even though the ability to describe them in English is almost impossible due to the current mind set of the intended audience and also what was the suppression induced by this organisation using mind control techiques]

I am currently waiting I guess to see whether they re-surface as a problem and will be vigilant for some time.

Now I know this all seesm rather sci fi and hard to see it as "real" and this is expected or at least anticipated as if I was in your shoes I woudl think similar. But as the situation was getting so desparate and too many persons were involved I was forced to declare myself to them. And if I am going to do that I might as well make it public and solicit subconscious support as I do so.

It is not important that a person believes, as belief if a poor cousin to truth and if the truth needs defending then it is not a truth worth fighting for.

So I am not concerned with ridicule from my peers but more about getting the job done.
Self determination is a fragile and priceless "right" that all humans have and this organisation had corrupted that "right" in a deliberate and premeditated rather than instinctive manner. People are always infringing on other persons self determination as part of their instinctive psychic natures, as part of their evolution towards peaceful co-existance, but when an organisation interferes with the natural evolution it can ultimately have disasterous consequences.

You guys have no idea just how precious you are to the universe. With out universal support this planet and everything on it would have been vapourised years ago.

[Tnerb]

Good for you....
I am glad you are happy at your location. I am not very happy at my location. But things will never be different.
Oh well, don't want to plagurize the thread,
Good evening!

[sly1]

Mind control? No way not me.....im totaly in control of every possible decision I make......:bugeye:....right:confused:


T.V. Itself is mind control....and its horribly obvious.... Thats the beauty of fkn with the subliminal conciousness.......no one knows.
The subconsious makes suggestions personal thoughts.......I believe that is why there is so much controversey over testimony given while under hypnosis.

NLP.......neural Linguistic Programing is a great example of this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming

If you think you aren't influenced your beyond help....

If you know you can be influenced but you are in control and know when you are being influenced.......thats a pretty nieve thought.

When you tell someone that something they think is intimately their thought is in reality an implanted thought.....they almost fight vigorously against it. Its a form of mental rape or whatever you want to call it........its unbeliveable and horrifying.

[Quantum Quack]

Latest news.
Material supporting evidence has been secured....but unable to disclose the details at this time. Seeking permission first....[as the source would reveal the depth of the issue if revealed]

[Plazma Inferno!]

Seeking permission first....[as the source would reveal the depth of the issue if revealed]
If you ask for admin permission, then it's ok with me.

[Crunchy Cat]

Post away QQ!

[Quantum Quack]

Sorry guys, can't post any detail. The evidence is "material" and needs to be protected for legal and security reasons.

There is reason to believe however that the "disc" was used experimentaly for the treatment benefit of children suffering severe "Autism". Used also as a memory enhancer and has been experimented with, over quite a few years over differing applications.

So it is very important not to jump to any immediate conclusions about certain persons, organisations etc that may or may not be implicated in the topic of this thread.
"The disc can also be used purely for defensive reasons. protecting the wearer from mind manipulations."
If for example certain elements of a security organisation [ military, Inteligence etc] became aware of the existance of our "perps" then they would obviously seek to protect their investment in national security]

So you can see that it is getting "next to impossible" to continue posting any detail to this thread until the picture becomes clearer if one wishes to maintian integrity of those issues of national security.

[Tnerb]

Who r we getting permission "from"?

[Tnerb]

All Praise Brent'allah for getting permission :D

[Quantum Quack]

Latest news:
It appears our main cuplrit has landed in Melbourne and is currently focussing his attention on the lady that first presented the evidence.

Her location is public and she is being psychically isolated for some reason. Maybe just to punish her and me...hmmm ....

I can sense him in the shopping centre but as yet have not had a visual.
So far I have counted over 8 persons [males] under influence.
Shall let you know and maybe provide pics when things evolve a little over the next few days.

[Crunchy Cat]

Pics, definately pics!

[Stryder]

QQ,
The one problem with Mind Control is that when people attempt to identify what they've been made to do they tend to utilise their imagination to fill in all the gaps in the information they don't know. For the most part, they don't know alot, for instance you suggested further back in this thread about a ZPE theory however were you thinking of applying it to a Mind controller in hypothesis? I ask as it's likely you've fallen down your own rabbit hole.

[Crunchy Cat]

Come on Stryder, I want to see how deep this hole goes :).

[Tnerb]

What a good close to this thread........

[Quantum Quack]

not closed guys as such however, the laughs have yet to begin....

[Crunchy Cat]

Well come on now, don't hold out on us.

[Tnerb]

He ain't holdin out on nobody.

What do you expect him to say. He's waitin on all you loser morons to give some response.

...afterall, what would he say. You know. I mean, for fucks sake, the damn thing has already been presented.

[Crunchy Cat]

...
...
...What do you expect him to say.
...
...
...

"Here is the evidence I promised".

[Tnerb]

He promised evidence?

I dont think so- that's lousy :p

[Tnerb]

I was wrong.

I look forard to seeing the evidence as well.

[Tnerb]

Brent "my word" not needed to be taken, just the experience of recovery will suffice.

Is it over yet?

Has the situation calmed down?

Is there any isolation of the lady presenting the evidence still ?

Still no news on this.

[Tnerb]

Read the bottom first. (very bottom)


i say
what is this challenge?

/deep...deep stuff :confused:

It is indeed.

Especially due to the fact that neither one person on this site has refuted any of QQs claims; particularly: the ability of the mind control.

First, Crunchy Cat has entirely dismissed QQs claim of mind influencing, or seperating etc. Which, of coure the truth is actually something ENTIRELY different.

QQ himself has titled it only .. i forget "premagination".
The idea seems certainly possible if we can concern any of his thoughts about it.

How is mind doing shit like that possible?

Imagine, as spidergoat says the human mind hasn't been entirely figured out.

Let me ask a huge, very huge question:

Who agrees with this statement?


Anyone?

I thought so. As history unfolds from the beginning of time to the end of time all we have is nothing but a repeating understanding and contemplation of the mind (obvious right?). Of course it's obvious.

My point is only that there is obviously still some dispute to what it is that the mind is capable.

Take physics. This study of physics will take us to a study of the mind, right?

Not to this day has physics studied the mind properly. Not a single god damn bit. It has

1: Never provided insight into the other peoples minds problem.

2: Never decided to explain what it is that causes the mind to die (rather, all of the sources of what such a thing would be like).

Physics is a halfwit science when we look at the current knowledge in it. And the orinazation of it itself, is most lacking (along with every single thing else; organization).


Irregardless it is obvious once again that CCs claim about the capability of the minds is entirely weak and false. Minds would not tear each other open. There are many ypossible senerios.

How do you feel when you think you feel anger in the room?

Imaginge! What is causing that?! Does ANYGBODY know? No. Nobody knows. Nobody will answer and, nobody could answer. That is the only fact that there is.

To expand on this nonsense idea, is only to say that when anger is expanded into the mind that experiences it, a mind could possibly collapse.

Is this possible using physics? To examine? I serously ******* doubt it.

The answer would lie in the fafct that a mind can be distorted and disformed at any possible means by other peopels minds. Thus other peoples minds must exist in some form.

This theory right here is enough to supply QQs evidence that minds can control one another; wills can effect one another; and psychic self determinations are in every form possible.



REFUTE

[Quantum Quack]

Read the bottom first. (very bottom)




It is indeed.

Especially due to the fact that neither one person on this site has refuted any of QQs claims; particularly: the ability of the mind control.

First, Crunchy Cat has entirely dismissed QQs claim of mind influencing, or seperating etc. Which, of coure the truth is actually something ENTIRELY different.

QQ himself has titled it only .. i forget "premagination".
The idea seems certainly possible if we can concern any of his thoughts about it.

How is mind doing shit like that possible?

Imagine, as spidergoat says the human mind hasn't been entirely figured out.

Let me ask a huge, very huge question:

Who agrees with this statement?


Anyone?

I thought so. As history unfolds from the beginning of time to the end of time all we have is nothing but a repeating understanding and contemplation of the mind (obvious right?). Of course it's obvious.

My point is only that there is obviously still some dispute to what it is that the mind is capable.

Take physics. This study of physics will take us to a study of the mind, right?

Not to this day has physics studied the mind properly. Not a single god damn bit. It has

1: Never provided insight into the other peoples minds problem.

2: Never decided to explain what it is that causes the mind to die (rather, all of the sources of what such a thing would be like).

Physics is a halfwit science when we look at the current knowledge in it. And the orinazation of it itself, is most lacking (along with every single thing else; organization).


Irregardless it is obvious once again that CCs claim about the capability of the minds is entirely weak and false. Minds would not tear each other open. There are many ypossible senerios.

How do you feel when you think you feel anger in the room?

Imaginge! What is causing that?! Does ANYGBODY know? No. Nobody knows. Nobody will answer and, nobody could answer. That is the only fact that there is.

To expand on this nonsense idea, is only to say that when anger is expanded into the mind that experiences it, a mind could possibly collapse.

Is this possible using physics? To examine? I serously ******* doubt it.

The answer would lie in the fafct that a mind can be distorted and disformed at any possible means by other peopels minds. Thus other peoples minds must exist in some form.

This theory right here is enough to supply QQs evidence that minds can control one another; wills can effect one another; and psychic self determinations are in every form possible.



REFUTE
Sisyiphus, I applaud your courage to state what you have.
It was not the purpose of this thread to do anything other than what it has achieved already.
My family and persons directly and some indirectly have since almost fully recovered from their ordeal. My grandson is now relatively healthy "normal" 10 month old, and my bestfriends two children have managed to stay out of hospital with undiagnosable gastro type complaints.
This is all I was primarilly interested in and that is basically it.
As to the evidence to somehow support all this in a sea or ocean of pure skepticism and ridicule I and all of you are going to have to wait.

We have recorded one hospital admission in the USA. The son of a retired USA Admiral. [the ladies father]
I am not going to present hard evidence here because I am uncertain at this stage whether he was being "used" or was actually "protecting"

And on top of that I am not the sort of person to launch an assault even with the benefit of anonimity on the USA governments Military credibility.

The lady in question is under our protection [as well ] even though she remains free to move around with her children.

She her self is not currently well and until we are confident in her security I am not going to entertain you guys just for the sake of it.

As to the situation regarding the lady in the shopping center the "perp" stopped influencing as soon as I published what I did.

"illusion"? Possibly. We are afterall dealing with masters of illusion.

So I am sorry CC you can snigger as much as you like and "no offence taken" but you are going to have to wait until the situation is totally stable and sustainably so. Re-emergence of the threat is still possible.

Sisymus is of course quite right when he mentions the limitaions of scientific understanding. The uncertainty principle proves this if I am not mistaken [ how the observer effects the observed]

Maybe CC and other serious skeptics would like to address the issue of how an observer can effect the results of "electron"? movement through a slit.
or even fully explain Cerenkov Radiation from a nuclear reactor?

And if he and they can't then I wait and snigger also....[ no offense implied]

[Quantum Quack]

You shall also note the immediate withdrawal from further comment by Spidergoat immediately after describing the disc in a post some pages back.
Possibly Spider goat woud like to explain what he knows about this disc and it's use in mind management experiments with children with autism, epilepsy and other such issues.

Maybe there is hard eveidence out there to show and prove th euse of similar devices even though the "how" they work is yet to be determined by the global scientific community.

[Tnerb]

You shall also note the immediate withdrawal from further comment by Spidergoat immediately after describing the disc in a post some pages back.
Possibly Spider goat woud like to explain what he knows about this disc and it's use in mind management experiments with children with autism, epilepsy and other such issues.

Maybe there is hard eveidence out there to show and prove th euse of similar devices even though the "how" they work is yet to be determined by the global scientific community.


:bravo:

[edit: sisyphus is existabrent... I hate that name]
As you often say,

"fuck the scientific community"
pardon

you say

"f*ck em!"

;)

[Quantum Quack]

I wouldn't quite say that or if I did, I did it out of sheer frustration and apologise accordingly.

I actually have a great deal of respect for the scientific community. Come a long way since "the earth was flat." [ mind you I hope they will one day explain how the Earth suddenly became a spherical shape after thousands of years of being flat:D]

Which is what they are going to have to when they prove the non-existance of our mythical photon.....hmmmmm

[Tnerb]

I will snigger at them for you for they can't prove jack shit.

[Quantum Quack]

[edit: sisyphus is existabrent... I hate that name]
So Super Man disguised as Clark Kent finally reveals what and who he is.... and loses any ability to do either role.:)

[Crunchy Cat]

So I am sorry CC you can snigger as much as you like and "no offence taken" but you are going to have to wait until the situation is totally stable and sustainably so. Re-emergence of the threat is still possible.

You know that without evidence there's no truth value. If I were a betting man, I would bet we're never going to see the evidence... which is a shame because I went through the trouble of falsifying your associations early on by supplying feedback about your website.


Maybe CC and other serious skeptics would like to address the issue of how an observer can effect the results of "electron"? movement through a slit.
or even fully explain Cerenkov Radiation from a nuclear reactor?

An object that can accept information from another object can collapse a Schrödinger wave if it has a relationship with it; thus, forcing a probability to be realized. The strength of the relationship determines when / if the collapse will actually occur (btw an observer in this scenario does not imply consciousness... a block of cheese is an observer for example).

Čerenkov radiation is an EM burst released when a charged particle moves through an insulator at a speed faster than light.

[Crunchy Cat]

[edit: sisyphus is existabrent... I hate that name]
So Super Man disguised as Clark Kent finally reveals what and who he is.... and loses any ability to do either role.:)

I have to try really hard to avoid addressing him as Sissy.:poke:

[Tnerb]

Shut up CC.
I will stand up to you.

A block of cheese is not an observer... and besides, your entire post falls by the hand of mine....

You are on sissy court now CC; so stand up or shut up.

[Tnerb]

[edit: sisyphus is existabrent... I hate that name]
So Super Man disguised as Clark Kent finally reveals what and who he is.... and loses any ability to do either role.:)

Oh well.

It's sissy court now.

CC is a horrible basketball player.

And so is:
sarkus,
etc,
glaucon,
etc,
lightgigantic,
etc,

there is not one member on sciforums who can shoot on sissy court.

[Tnerb]

You know that without evidence there's no truth value. If I were a betting man, I would bet we're never going to see the evidence... which is a shame because I went through the trouble of falsifying your associations early on by supplying feedback about your website.

There is entire truth value.

baseless assertion.

You will lose the bet.
Now. Hand over my ration.

Falsifying your associations is not sissycourt.
Not one of his comments have been ebbliberated. Not one. And I don't reckon you have the balls to shoot this hoop, CC.

And I even say that on light ground, so bring it on, 3 points.

An object that can accept information from another object can collapse a Schrödinger wave if it has a relationship with it; thus, forcing a probability to be realized. The strength of the relationship determines when / if the collapse will actually occur (btw an observer in this scenario does not imply consciousness... a block of cheese is an observer for example).

Čerenkov radiation is an EM burst released when a charged particle moves through an insulator at a speed faster than light.

All sissy court is doing is making further discussion applicable to present standards of what QQ is discussing.

Waves traveling through space is not going to be dismissed so easily.
It's possible,
because,
you haven't disproved any thing we are addressing currently (all you will do, is say it is false).

Which is the same thing as saying the whole premise is lost.

Which sadly for you CC, ... is not the case.

You haven't shot a single basket yet... where are you aiming?

[Quantum Quack]

You know that without evidence there's no truth value. If I were a betting man, I would bet we're never going to see the evidence... which is a shame because I went through the trouble of falsifying your associations early on by supplying feedback about your website.
and I stated amazement that you actually managed to do so....so maybe you would like to comment on the merit of the concept and not just the asthetics. In other words did you look at what the web site was actually supopsed to do and hwo it makes it's money? [ do you recall because the web site is under going a CMS conversion currently and not a lot of info is published now]

Evidence is only needed if you wish to prove to someone with out the experience that that something actually occurred. If you don't need to prove anything, given that the thread was addressed to those that were monitoring and not to any one else, then I only have your ridicule to deal with....which I might add is no problemo.... however I understand your point and actually agree with it....



An object that can accept information from another object can collapse a Schrödinger wave if it has a relationship with it; thus, forcing a probability to be realized. The strength of the relationship determines when / if the collapse will actually occur (btw an observer in this scenario does not imply consciousness... a block of cheese is an observer for example).

Čerenkov radiation is an EM burst released when a charged particle moves through an insulator at a speed faster than light.

I suppose you have hard eveidence that proves conclusively that theory being applied to explain something that can not be witnessed except by effect is not totally and utterly hog wash?

Also how much faster than the speed of light has our charged article travelling at? And given special relativity doesn't that put our partical behind us in time? [ in the past and not the present] and if it is in the [ our ] past how is it we can observe it's colour when we are in the present.

"hey man...that blue glow is actually happening yesterday or last year or last century or even a million years ago....talk about introspective hindsight....ha"
also any ideas why it is that particular shade of blue and not purple or red or green?

[Crunchy Cat]

Shut up CC.
I will stand up to you.

A block of cheese is not an observer... and besides, your entire post falls by the hand of mine....

You are on sissy court now CC; so stand up or shut up.

In information theory, an observer is any system which receives information from an object. Sorry Brent, but sissy court is out of its league when up against reality, science, and education.

[Tnerb]

You scored a half pointer :p

What a shitty throw!!!

CC, that's pathetic, it is obvious what I was addressing.

now Explain please how your post (other than this nonsense) is true. You can't.

Score chart next post.
And, your education is hogwash. I don't give a rats ass about what it is about physics that ******* has anything to do with information theory. Makes little sense to me, and I would dare to say also that it has little impact on too much of anything.

[Crunchy Cat]

and I stated amazement that you actually managed to do so....so maybe you would like to comment on the merit of the concept and not just the asthetics.

Well to put it simply, the merit was demonstrating a relationship as being false.


In other words did you look at what the web site was actually supopsed to do and hwo it makes it's money? [ do you recall because the web site is under going a CMS conversion currently and not a lot of info is published now]

It looked like a place where businesses could advertize their services in a business and consumer community setting from what I remember. The cashflow appeared to be a result of subscription.


Evidence is only needed if you wish to prove to someone with out the experience that that something actually occurred. If you don't need to prove anything, given that the thread was addressed to those that were monitoring and not to any one else, then I only have your ridicule to deal with....which I might add is no problemo.... however I understand your point and actually agree with it....

Well that paragraph just went full circle :). I agree with everything that was stated and would also point out that there was at least one committment to providing evidence; hence, I now have expectations.



I suppose you have hard eveidence that proves conclusively that theory being applied to explain something that can not be witnessed except by effect is not totally and utterly hog wash?

Nope, not at all. Additionally, theories tend to make alot of predictions about other related causes / effects and if they pan out as true it strengthens the truth value of the theory. But you know this already :).


Also how much faster than the speed of light has our charged article travelling at?

Don't know. C + 1 should be sufficient.


And given special relativity doesn't that put our partical behind us in time? [ in the past and not the present] and if it is in the [ our ] past how is it we can observe it's colour when we are in the present.

My understanding is that the limit C only applies to a vaccum. Once mediums are introduced (such as insulators, gas, etc.), C can be exceeded.

[Tnerb]

Sissy Court Score Chart
Keeping Score (2 players so far):

Sysiphus: 2

Crunchy Cat: 1/2

[Quantum Quack]

In information theory, an observer is any system which receives information from an object. Sorry Brent, but sissy court is out of its league when up against reality, science, and education.
but CC can't you see the error in rational happening here?

The cheese maybe considered the observer yes?
What about the plate the cheese is sitting on? yes?

What about teh stand that is holding the slitted plate up? yes?
What about the room tha the expereimnet is being performed in? yes?

So tell me how can you test without an observer?
And if the answer is you can't then how the hell is the particle changing when you so called do?
If everything is an observer the you would not see any change according to what you have stated. yes?

The very air the particle travels through is an observer by this standard...sheesh!!

[Quantum Quack]

Well that paragraph just went full circle . I agree with everything that was stated and would also point out that there was at least one committment to providing evidence; hence, I now have expectations.

PLease rovide quotes that actually state that evidence will definitely be presented.

BTW it will be....so I wont waste your time.

"conclusively states:
evidence to support the global use of mind control techiques in the context discussed [ ie the threat to my family and others] will be provided if humanly possble to this forum. [ disclaimer: assuming an ongoing internet connection , an available library or internet cafe, in case that connection fails, staying alive long enough and other extreme global weather patterns:)]

and it will be provided to the general media as well

[Crunchy Cat]

You scored a half pointer :p
...
...

now Explain please how your post (other than this nonsense) is true. You can't.

...
...
.

Shine a laser on a slice of cheese and look at it from the other side. If it is exclusively penetrating the cheese while its not penetrating the rest of the environment with equal intensity then the cheese collapsed the wave.

[Tnerb]

If you had noticed... cc... I said "besides this nonsense."

*bows*

[Crunchy Cat]

but CC can't you see the error in rational happening here?

The cheese maybe considered the observer yes?

Yep.


What about the plate the cheese is sitting on? yes?

Possibly.


What about teh stand that is holding the slitted plate up? yes?

Another possibility.


What about the room tha the expereimnet is being performed in? yes?

And yet another possibility.


So tell me how can you test without an observer?

You can't of course. You can however choose the observer's strength which of course determines if an observer (or system of observers) are geared to observe waves or particles. After all, if all observers caused collapse then we would never be able to observe waves in a double slit experiment (for example).


And if the answer is you can't then how the hell is the particle changing when you so called do?
If everything is an observer the you would not see any change according to what you have stated. yes?

The very air the particle travels through is an observer by this standard...sheesh!!

Hehe, I guess my last response kind of invalidated this text.

[Crunchy Cat]

PLease rovide quotes that actually state that evidence will definitely be presented.

BTW it will be....so I wont waste your time.

"conclusively states:
evidence to support the global use of mind control techiques in the context discussed [ ie the threat to my family and others] will be provided if humanly possble to this forum. [ disclaimer: assuming an ongoing internet connection , an available library or internet cafe, in case that connection fails, staying alive long enough and other extreme global weather patterns:)]

and it will be provided to the general media as well

I love it when you do the work for me :).

[Tnerb]

If I don't get to bed, I lose.

So it is half time.

Good night QQ, good night, CC.

[Tnerb]

Sissy court is fair game to everyone. But the rules are that everyone loses except sisyphus... So... I win. Good tries, though, cc, but your reasoning is flawed compared to the might of the grand SISYPHUS.

Good night folks, that's all she wrote ;)

[Quantum Quack]

You can't of course. You can however choose the observer's strength which of course determines if an observer (or system of observers) are geared to observe waves or particles. After all, if all observers caused collapse then we would never be able to observe waves in a double slit experiment (for example).

Exactly!!!!
and well done you see my point....:)



Hehe, I guess my last response kind of invalidated this text.
exactly the opposite....it only proves it....

[Quantum Quack]

so tell me ...what observer do you choose, swiss, chedar or tasty cheese?

[Quantum Quack]

"Australian Blue" is really nice maybe thats because it "collapses" waves better? ha

[Crunchy Cat]

Exactly!!!!
and well done you see my point....:)

exactly the opposite....it only proves it....

Sorry, I am a little miopic today... what point exactly am I seeing?

[Crunchy Cat]

so tell me ...what observer do you choose, swiss, chedar or tasty cheese?

A nice creamy Brie.

[Tnerb]

Good God; if I would dare to say it I would be in violation... Ego alert!
:p

Interesting possibilities though; perhaps the debate should rest for an actual thread ...
Are we ever going to see this; you think?

[Tnerb]

I have an idea.

Since QQ has revealed himself,

he can simply say,

"I am god and I can show you all what it means to have power over the universe."
Like he did in his angry response to GB ... page 5? or 6...
It was amazing. He was frightening everything in a very productive way. Like holy shit! This has to exist!

:D

[Tnerb]

Sorry to confuse if I have.

Indeed. You haven't... hehe...

Anyway. I would guess myself that the thing is quieting down a little bit; but I was embarassed to hell to see that you was effected as well.

And you are saying psychics are also in the area; correct? This is a very big story I do understand that.
heh........

So, QQ, I wish that you can destroy them hehe. And then this whole thing could be put to rest; the rest of the people are still looking for "evidence."
to the best of interests...

[Tnerb]

Sorry, I am a little miopic today... what point exactly am I seeing?

His point.

Scroll up, don't be shy...

[Crunchy Cat]

Any updates QQ?

[Crunchy Cat]

Qq?

[Tnerb]

Seriously QQ. Sorry for destroying yet another of your threads but what is your opinion of the thread as ofhe time being.

[Quantum Quack]

Seriously QQ. Sorry for destroying yet another of your threads but what is your opinion of the thread as ofhe time being.
Still waiting for a corpse(s) to turn up....

seriously!

The situation has settled down remarkably however people being people took on a "copy cat" style of reaction and that needed dealing with. However the organised version mentioned in this thread has virtually ceased to exist.
All family members and friends abroad and interstate have reported no hospital admissions for quite a few months now. And apart from the usual type seasonal illnesses seem to be in reasonable health [ as you would anticipate]
All in all I am happy with the improvements regarding family and as yet to see a spin off in society in general.
We seem to be in a "holding pattern" waiting for the global energy balance to be stabilised I guess.
The intense monitoring of my posts has virtually stopped and has become more casual and honestly motivated.
I am also starting to see statistically acceptable visitations to my web sites. [ very small download rates as to be expected]
All commercial sites are starting to see traffic and enqury. Given the onground marketing this is about normal....[ a little under but this could be allowed for in market fashions etc etc...

Test case:
"When you publish a website that has desrcriptions of 18 businesses from a shopping precinct and then inform all 18 businesses of the site you would anticipate that they would out of suspicion or curiocity, take a look even if it is to relieve their fears of a looney doing shit...."

But not one single business has visited this site until yesterday about 2 months after it's launch.
So even the threat of malicious publication failed to stir activity. Which I find incredible [ possible but very incredible ]

Any ways, the point being that the frustration block on my activities seems to be lifting slowly...

There is also an internal investigation into security compromise at this shoppig plaza, with possible IIU intervetion with local police. Regarding the assault and threats [ since launching this thread ] made by the guy impersonating a poilce officer and threatening to charge me with false child molestation. [ stating of course that it is a fabricated charge ]

So things are moving I guess but I still require a corpse to turn up before I am satisfied.

[Quantum Quack]

background:
The local shopping plaza has at peek times about 1000 shoppers so it is not small but it aint that big either by worlds standards.
The security systems inplace woud be considered to close to state of art and the centre employs a significant number of secutrity staff on any given shift.
On two occassions [ the ones during the two assualts] the security systems had failed, in that constant video surveilance stopped functioning. On the first occassion for 60 minutes and the second for approx. 45 minutes.
Routine patrols by security staff had also been interupted. So in effect there was a security "blind spot" created for those times mentioned.
This is the issue in review at present. Nearby "Chub" cash ATM and bank deliveries and local major bank are present within this blind spot.

So the issue is being investigated and to be honest I do not expect to see a result of any value...

[Tnerb]

What about the other issues under concern? Are there any besides this, can this thread contain as well, a "existence of the universes harmony" for example?

If this is the case then we could have and I deem myself acceptable to whatever claims it is spoken in, a trail for the existence over the universe as I feel this is relevant to this thread.

[Quantum Quack]

News:
A man fitting the description has turned up at the work place mentioned earlier in this thread with significant cohersive powers.
The originator of the evidence that generated the start of this challenge is now having to deal with his manipulations. She has indicated fear of harm.

A second lady has also been significantly compromised. His behaviour is unstable and unpredictable an doutwardly violent.
Currently word is that he is suffering acute abdominal pain and is vomiting blood and has attended the local hospital on two occassions.
He is of Middle Eastern appearance claiming to be from Oman.

More to come tomorrow....
A string of data is emerging....and pics to be published soon if necessasry and appropriate

[Prince_James]

Quantum Heraclitus:

This thread reminds me of a torture scene in Star Trek. Where the captors attempt to force someone to say there are five lights when there are clearly four.

I can see where such denial of reason and such would prove remarkably destructive of the psyche.

[Quantum Quack]

Quantum Heraclitus:

This thread reminds me of a torture scene in Star Trek. Where the captors attempt to force someone to say there are five lights when there are clearly four.

I can see where such denial of reason and such would prove remarkably destructive of the psyche.
incredibly so...

Normally this relates to the usual mental health of persons globally and normally this is intractible as society itself is generating these issues, however when this "normal" instinctive behaviour becomes deliberate and organised we have a significant global potential.

The issue is that an organised group of males have deliberately taken advantage of what is normal instinctive behaviour. This is not normally discernable as it fits the "norm" however because it is deliberate and not instinctive it can be evidenced in certain behavours of persons who know themselves really well, such as the originator of the evidence that has led to this confrontation.

People in the field of genuine psychic endeavour and research are well aware of what "possession" feels like and how it manifests in the human psych.
They do not advertise their understanding a this would only be discredited.
However in this case possession is almost impossible to detect because of the methods used.
The last person to experience an attack yesterday has complained of an electrical buzzing sound between her ears and towards the frontal lobe. She found herself in a compromising situation with this man going against all normal and strongly held behaviour patterns. This provided the clue to just this one cohercion.

this in itself is not enough evidence to act upon.
However when I met the man my self yesterday evening his deliberate attempts to coherce are obvious to me. Not only on me but the ladies in question. The details of which I shall refrain from explaining for now.

[Prince_James]

Do you imagine this man is using the electromagnetic means you were referencing earlier? Or simply employing the "possession" of which you spoke of before?

The idea of possession predates, after all, quantum theory. It would thus stand to reason that if possession, as a serious psychic phenomenon, is real, that it would also work outside of the method of electromagnetic quantum whatever.

One could possibly relate this to hypnosis as well.

[Quantum Quack]

Do you imagine this man is using the electromagnetic means you were referencing earlier? Or simply employing the "possession" of which you spoke of before?

The idea of possession predates, after all, quantum theory. It would thus stand to reason that if possession, as a serious psychic phenomenon, is real, that it would also work outside of the method of electromagnetic quantum whatever.

One could possibly relate this to hypnosis as well.
definitely quantum entanglement process. His signature is unmistakable.

And yes in a sense it is a very invasive form of subliminal manipulation using quantum or zero point mind connections done in a way that is almost perfect.
the issue is "possession of will" and this would have to be throughly defined first before it is compared to the type of possessions of biblical proportions.

[Prince_James]

Quantum Heraclitus:

And yes in a sense it is a very invasive form of subliminal manipulation using quantum or zero point mind connections done in a way that is almost perfect.

Explain how these methods work. I am intrigued.

Give me a brief sketch of the science that you think backs this up.

[Quantum Quack]

Quantum Heraclitus:



Explain how these methods work. I am intrigued.

Give me a brief sketch of the science that you think backs this up.

There is a need to clarify a little first.

The original "disc" wearers the ones that had these amplification discs fitted to their right temples appear to have been thoroughly neutralised.
However the leader of this organisation does not use a disc and is innately "gifted" in this way. In fact he would have been cohercing his followers as part of his role. Having lost that power the disc wearers have been neutralised leaving this man to his own devices.

This I believe is the "man" that has now appeared here chasing the lady that revealed his secret.
I tend to believe at this stage that he is the one that provided the technology of the disc to begin with. Although this of course needs to be confirmed.

I should be able to get pictures today and actually talk to him about the details if he has returned to a sane position which he was as of yesterday way from being.

Psychology assessment
Note:
When you are used to power and that power is a part of who you are [innate]and your self esteem and it [the power] is taken from you or you are disempowered, anger, hostility and obsession can be the result.
He is attacking the lady in question because he wants to get his power back.
The question is really whether he controls the power or whether the power controls him?

[Quantum Quack]

Quantum Heraclitus:



Explain how these methods work. I am intrigued.

Give me a brief sketch of the science that you think backs this up.
It is based on the principle , that distance is an illusion of time.
This of course is contra to currently held scientific opinion given their worship of photon theory.

What this means simply is that distance only exists if time is available or present for that distance to have value.
To entangle an object over vast distances without any material contact is achieved by removing the need for time to do it.
The illusion of distance is sustained by our perception of mass or matter. With out mass or matter to give space value space looses it's dimensionality and becomes zero dimensional. [mind analogue : unconsciousness]

Put the mass and matter back into the picture and you have an illusion of distance yet the zero dimensionalism is still the reality.
So simultaneously we have 4 dimensional space [ mass space ] and zero dimensional space [ nothingness]
In this case the nature of the pychic mind is that all minds are connected through zero space [consciousness] thus all minds are entangled until the mind in question decides to partially disentangle and tangle with someone else. Minor/major disentanglement is sleep, Major disentanglement is normal mortal death. However total disentanglement is only available to absolute universal nhilism. [ the cessation of existance universally] The essence of inertia can now be derived.

Normally what happens and why psychic pheno is so hard to manage is that once a person becomes aware of a psychic entanglement [ as a psychic pheno] they instinctively disentangle out of fear. Which means that this can only be proved in hindsight and very rarely in the present moment and that the operator needs to be innately entangled and not deliberately entangled.

To deliberately entangle immediately causes the entanglement to cease. [ because to apply energy "effort" is to apply time thus forcing the mind back into 4 dimensional space]
Teaser:
For mass to travel through hyperspace or zero space to any destination you want it to, one only needs to recalibrate the innate frequency synchronisation of the mass in question with the destination mass. No effort or energy needs to be applied to travel through zero space only skill so to speak. Perfect synchronisation leads to instantaneous dimensional collapse and travel whilst imperfect synchronisation leads to what is commonly referred to as a "worm hole"

"a safe with a door on it that locks itself every time someone attempts to open it"
you may recall this thought experiment sometime ago I posted here at sciforums.
And now you know why my posts have been subjected to heavy monitoring.

[Quantum Quack]

It's 8.42 pm here in Melbourne and the police have been notified that the man in question is a potential and real threat. He has stated to the young lady he compromised earlier that his house has been burnt to the ground indicating that he didn't care about it. This has happened after she rejected his advances over the telephone after seeking advice from me. He wanted to meet her privately late at night in the CBD city contra to her normal behaviour. Originally she agreed but had the sense to call me afterwards.

She is only 16. and an amazing person. I wish her the best as I can not interfere at this point other than work with police.

[Quantum Quack]

9.04pm have received word that he is at her door ringing her on his mobile phone. She is justifying not ringing the police herself yet saying that she fears he is going to seriously harm her.
[cohercion at work again...] [I contacted police earlier on my own inniative]

[Quantum Quack]

I am posting this publically because:
1] This thread is being monitored by those who may be able to help.
2] The cohercion is only effective if kept secret and outside parties are not involved. [ a child molestor always threatens harm if the victim exposes him] thus publishing heightens public awareness in a psychic and conventional sense.]

[Quantum Quack]

11.23pm
Last phone call from lady in question suggests that she is safe and situation has stabilised...find out more tomorrow

[Tnerb]

Okay now that P_J is here I can post something that might shead some meaning.


QQ I believe, is talking about a power difference in the universe above correct? Oops, anyway, if I mention it he might too: there is also a power complex in the universe.

I myself am probably the cause of the shift in power.

Why am I posting this?
Because I feel that I should have enough courage to post something like this. There is a power complex in the universe that is changing and I think that I am causing it or have caused it.

As I posted in another thread, "the importance of psychic endeavoure", there is a such thing as an individual taken apart and examinend. Upon such critical examination of the psyche instead of stryders subjecting them to caves underground and extensive lonleyness etc, by means of ... various things. First of all you can take him apart and subject him to God soul, or destruction instead of lonlyness. God soul, or the individuals feet.

All of these things are important to the individual. The individual has the capicity in itself to show the qualities which are being examinend on this forum. Qunatum physics and things like this are usually scholarly debates and things.

More often than not anyway.

So like I posted before all of this stuff is possible (I posted a simiialr post eariler on in the thread). And I think that I am causing a power shift in the universe.

QQ, you think that's any importance to this thread, haha.
Maybe people won't just consider this as serious. Great.

[Quantum Quack]

Okay now that P_J is here I can post something that might shead some meaning.


QQ I believe, is talking about a power difference in the universe above correct? Oops, anyway, if I mention it he might too: there is also a power complex in the universe.

I myself am probably the cause of the shift in power.

Why am I posting this?
Because I feel that I should have enough courage to post something like this. There is a power complex in the universe that is changing and I think that I am causing it or have caused it.

As I posted in another thread, "the importance of psychic endeavoure", there is a such thing as an individual taken apart and examinend. Upon such critical examination of the psyche instead of stryders subjecting them to caves underground and extensive lonleyness etc, by means of ... various things. First of all you can take him apart and subject him to God soul, or destruction instead of lonlyness. God soul, or the individuals feet.

All of these things are important to the individual. The individual has the capicity in itself to show the qualities which are being examinend on this forum. Qunatum physics and things like this are usually scholarly debates and things.

More often than not anyway.

So like I posted before all of this stuff is possible (I posted a simiialr post eariler on in the thread). And I think that I am causing a power shift in the universe.

QQ, you think that's any importance to this thread, haha.
Maybe people won't just consider this as serious. Great.
You have asked for this to be taken seriously and I shall and do so as honestly as I can ok? and in a language and imagery that hopefully makes sense to you and others.
As to your specific individual contribution to what is going on and in the context that you are suggesting, you are only experiencing consciously what everyother individual is experiencing at a deeper subconscious level.

There is a power re-configuration taking place as we speak and has been under way for nearly 20 years. The discovery of our disc weilder grouup is only a small part of the re-configuration that is occuring apparently in a universal scale.
But what is power any way?

Power is the ability to "will". Power is the ability to effect change in your self and your environment including other people. Power is intrisically linked to self esteem and how the ego is productive in pursuing it's own vested self interests.
Every self animated life form acheives power through self empowerment. That is to say "you wake up in the morning from unconsciousness by empowering yourself to do so. You draw energy from the source of that power and you simply "wake up". So in this sense we are all prodicts of a single power source and our will to self determination is the outcome of utilising this source as the energy that drives wills into action.
Essentially the universe or "God" if you like is waking up from a deep slumber. God is becoming self empowered as we humans are.
He "for want of a better way" is starting to see how his power is being abused by those who have aspects of it and is attempting to cope with the suffering this abuse has and is generating.
The issue of the disc weilders considered in this thread is an important showcase of what "God" or the universe at large is no longer going to tolerate.
In the past people who psychically abused their power were automatically destroyed by society, crucification, burning at the stake, hangings, marginalisation, institutionalisation, discrediting, defamation, flamming etc etc....social isolation and deprivation. From a God perspective this is an instinctive destiny. From a mankind perspective this is a destiny of volition. [we think we have control but really we are responding mainly to our instinctive fears and paranoias.]

However with Gods awakening this is starting to change and even though the instinctive base remains with integrity it is being fine tuned one could say. Adjusted so that the attrocities mentioned in this thread as one example do not re-occur.
In this case humanity is being used as an example for the rest of the universe. The power we all have to effect change and be productive is being re-configured to be more effective and less self destructuive.

The "man" [ I am not even convinced he is "human" anyway certainly humanoid but not necessarilly human] that is currently the focus of attention here in this thread is apparently a remnant of a very old system. He is suffering terribly as his once considerable godlike power to effect change is being re-configured. If he cannot tolerate it he will die and that is all there is to it. From a God perspective this is no big deal as he will be cleansed upon death and set to another life to try again.
From a human perspective he probably deserves to die any way but the notions of rehabilitation are strong. Certainly I advocate rehabilitation as I dislike seeing wastage of potential and know that his behaviour is symptomatic of considerable change in his ego and self esteem due to "Gods" awakening. Therefore he has limited culpability and would be considered as a person of very limited responsibility due to the mental health issues he is currently facing. [ innocent due to insanity ]
And God himself has to take responsibility for the suffering his awakening inspires as well. [ even though he was awaken by the abuse of his will - which caused a major disaster and tragedy of universal proportions - occured around 1985]
If one wants to ground this story one could do some research into Yoga concepts of "awakening" and enlightenment. The Yoga analogue is the awakening of the serpent coiled at the base of the spine. Once awaken this serpent than takes an individual on a life journey that either ends with the "Crown" chakra and achieves immortality and God like abilites or he dies. And it is the "godlike abilities" that the universe, God, is mainly concerned about as this area of human endevour is an area wide open to abuse. [ as demonstrated by the topic of this thread and mainly due to our ignorance of our own power ]
To pre-empt the question that is inevitable:
Human psychic development can not be allowed until the potential for self abuse [ therfore the abuse of others] is contained and managed at a subconscious level. This is an absolute requirement and not subject to negotiation. The universe, SELF or GOD is acting ruthlessly in this regard as it is afterall HE that is suffering the abuse.

[Prince_James]

Quantum Heraclitus:

I will address everything more in depth later this evening, but from a theoretical point, let me ask one question:

Your central claim is that zero-dimensionality is produced by elliminating time, therefore space and matter, yes?

That is to say, infinite (instanteneous) speed (which would be implied by an absence of time) would make the notion of distance (and its corresponding aspects of space and matter) irrelevant, correct?

[Quantum Quack]

Quantum Heraclitus:

I will address everything more in depth later this evening, but from a theoretical point, let me ask one question:

Your central claim is that zero-dimensionality is produced by elliminating time, therefore space and matter, yes?

That is to say, infinite (instanteneous) speed (which would be implied by an absence of time) would make the notion of distance (and its corresponding aspects of space and matter) irrelevant, correct?
Close I think....
The gendanken that leads to this was:

"If we take all the mass and matter out of the universe what do we have left?"
Normally one would think there would be a void of vacuum, a state of nothingness as even vacuum is a relative term. {low pressure compared to high pressure}

So really with nothing present to offer relative values then one could surmise that nothing exists if one takes all the matter and mass out of the universe.
Is this a fair assumption do you think?

[Quantum Quack]

the human anologue is :
unconsciousness

A key philosophical point could be raised as:
"without relative values only zero or nothingness can be true"

[Prince_James]

Quantum Heraclitus:

"If we take all the mass and matter out of the universe what do we have left?"
Normally one would think there would be a void of vacuum, a state of nothingness as even vacuum is a relative term. {low pressure compared to high pressure}

So really with nothing present to offer relative values then one could surmise that nothing exists if one takes all the matter and mass out of the universe.
Is this a fair assumption do you think?

Does the fabric of space time count as mass/matter? If not, then yes that is a fair assumption. If yes, then no it is not a fair assumption.

the human anologue is :
unconsciousness

That depends on whether the "fabric of mind" is to be counted. It is difficult to claim "nothing is there" in an unconscious person who is not dead.

[Quantum Quack]

To get the picture about zero point theory one has to allow certain preconceptions to be put aside and dealt with later. Pre-conceptions about space time for example are similar to preconceptions about our photon.
If we have to dismantle every preconception along the way this discussion will never end or reach a conclusion.
However it is worth noting where conflict with those pre-conceptions occurs but carry on regardless.
I am not suggesting changing those pre-cnceptions but merely setting them aside to allow the jigsaw puzzle to take shape.

[Quantum Quack]

That depends on whether the "fabric of mind" is to be counted. It is difficult to claim "nothing is there" in an unconscious person who is not dead.
No I am not claiming nothing is there for a unconscious or even a dead person I am claiming that nothing + potential are there for both an unconscious and dead person... [ although talking about dead persons suggests priviledged [ contraversial and precarious] knowledge ]

[Quantum Quack]

Also take note I am prepared to accept I am incorrect if sound rational as to why this is the case can be agreed to.

[Prince_James]

Quantum Heraclitus:

You ever read "Space, Time, and Deity"? Your views seem similar, in the "awakening God" as the author of that.

But basically, you're saying an intelligent force is emerging to counterattack psychic abuses to force psychic forces to work for beneficial ends only?

This seems hard to reconcile, considering that nothing is done in this universe with such an aim to avoid harm. Supernovas cleanse countless planets of all life very possibly. Suns blow up. Et cetera, et cetera.

But by not human...than what? An alien? The technology would seem to be beyond the scope of what we have now.

[Quantum Quack]

The technology exists to do what you say...with out doubt in the universe. However the point you are trying to make is that "why would an entity emerge to rectify psychic abuse and not material abuse [ i.e. supernova ]?"
Why would a supernova be considered as abuse do you think?

[Prince_James]

Quantum Heraclitus:

Why would a supernova be considered as abuse do you think?

Suppose your planet was within say....5 or so lightyears of a supernova. According to current theories, the ionizing radiation from the blast would cleanse your planet of life. Leaving what was before the blast a fertile planet a barren, sterile wasteland.

Moreover, if reincarnation can remedy the ill of this humanoid losing his powers and potentially dying from the psychic shock, surely those who are psychically shocked could simply be reborn after things go South without "God's" intervention, no? This seems especially reasonable if physical death is considered remedied.

[Quantum Quack]

Suppose your planet was within say....5 or so lightyears of a supernova. According to current theories, the ionizing radiation from the blast would cleanse your planet of life. Leaving what was before the blast a fertile planet a barren, sterile wasteland.
Still this is a natural event and I would not consider nature in such emotional terms. is a billiard ball bouncing off another ball called abuse?

Moreover, if reincarnation can remedy the ill of this humanoid losing his powers and potentially dying from the psychic shock, surely those who are psychically shocked could simply be reborn after things go South without "God's" intervention, no? This seems especially reasonable if physical death is considered remedied.

a question of preconceptions and exactly what reincarnation is. From what I have come to learn it is far different that what any ideas I have seen so far from other ideologies and people.

Also it is a pre-existing science if you like, fully instinctive and automatic. "God" awakening is into this pre-existing state as he comes from pure "sleeping" instinct to volition.

[Quantum Quack]

But basically, you're saying an intelligent force is emerging to counterattack psychic abuses to force psychic forces to work for beneficial ends only?
Again preconceptions as to what God is or will be are strong here.

Instinctively the universe produces all the suffering and mankinds will to power is over that suffering and relief fo suffering.
Gods awakening would be no different except the depth that he can work at would be considerably more effective than the less awakened.
Basically the systems in place are actually very good so why tamper with them too much...with the view to sustainable success [ eternal ] takes a certain wisdom....

[Prince_James]

Quantum Quack:

Still this is a natural event and I would not consider nature in such emotional terms. is a billiard ball bouncing off another ball called abuse?

Then why speak of psychic phenomenon in emotional terms?

a question of preconceptions and exactly what reincarnation is. From what I have come to learn it is far different that what any ideas I have seen so far from other ideologies and people.

Also it is a pre-existing science if you like, fully instinctive and automatic. "God" awakening is into this pre-existing state as he comes from pure "sleeping" instinct to volition.

Define reincarnation, then. I am intrigued.

So wait. God is reacting to this suffering purely instinctively?

Instinctively the universe produces all the suffering and mankinds will to power is over that suffering and relief fo suffering.
Gods awakening would be no different except the depth that he can work at would be considerably more effective than the less awakened.
Basically the systems in place are actually very good so why tamper with them too much...with the view to sustainable success [ eternal ] takes a certain wisdom....

I am a bit confused. Let's clarify this whole matter more fully?

[Quantum Quack]

Then why speak of psychic phenomenon in emotional terms?
Well if I picked up this billiard ball and threw it at someones head just for the pleasure of it [ mental visualisation ] this would be considered as abuse would it not? Telling me from his hospital bed that it isn't and I'll throw it again..

You see people do not realise just how abusive they are because they discount the impact their abusive thoughts and visualisations have on them selves and others.
With evidence of telepathy this must change as all abuse can be described and exposed.

"There will be no place to hide your abusive conspiracies, no veil of ignorance as a defense to offer a plea of innocence when in fact you are guilty"

The world relies on ignorance and censorship to function due to it's abusive nature. It is this ignorance that allows a child molestor to fester his obsession believing that his abusive visualisations are undetected and have no consequence.
It is in fact the fear of loosing the protection of secracy and ignorance that inhibits the evidencing of telepathy and similar pheno. The fear of "judgement day" so to speak.
Define reincarnation, then. I am intrigued.


nope ....sorry!
suffice to say that knowledge and the truth of existance after death is big enough news as it is.....
So wait. God is reacting to this suffering purely instinctively?
Was but is slowly awakening to acting with volition as well.
I am a bit confused. Let's clarify this whole matter more fully?
A good starting point is the notion of SANSARA as per Buddhism and Hindi ideology.
The way it is seen is incomplete but it's a good starting point regardless.

[Quantum Quack]

Ok now we have a pic....

http://c4h1.bizzymatecms.com/uploads/images/ally.jpg

[Prince_James]

It looks like a grocery store that you found him at. When did you see him?

[Prince_James]

Quantum Heraclitus:

Well if I picked up this billiard ball and threw it at someones head just for the pleasure of it [ mental visualisation ] this would be considered as abuse would it not? Telling me from his hospital bed that it isn't and I'll throw it again..

You see people do not realise just how abusive they are because they discount the impact their abusive thoughts and visualisations have on them selves and others.
With evidence of telepathy this must change as all abuse can be described and exposed.

"There will be no place to hide your abusive conspiracies, no veil of ignorance as a defense to offer a plea of innocence when in fact you are guilty"

The world relies on ignorance and censorship to function due to it's abusive nature. It is this ignorance that allows a child molestor to fester his obsession believing that his abusive visualisations are undetected and have no consequence.
It is in fact the fear of loosing the protection of secracy and ignorance that inhibits the evidencing of telepathy and similar pheno. The fear of "judgement day" so to speak.

Well, I would very strongly argue that a situation in which our minds were exposed wholly to others without a veil of secrecy would be undeniably intolerable. Furthermore, without a wall of privacy, we might as well be one being - a situation which also has many downsides. Collective minds are in no way preferrable - and indeed, in many ways to NOT be preferred - to individual minds.

I'd also argue that due to the existence of psychics, if the phenomenon is real, then it can exist side by side with secrecy. Furthermore, I'd also argue that imagination, fantasy, et cetera, can indeed be harmless and ought to remain so. We need catharsis. The oppression of such a stringent morality would be not unlike slavery.

Was but is slowly awakening to acting with volition as well.

Then once again, I interject that God ought to have far beginner things on his mind than pety abuses. Supernovas extinguishing life on planets is a big one. ;)

A good starting point is the notion of SANSARA as per Buddhism and Hindi ideology.
The way it is seen is incomplete but it's a good starting point regardless.

So we are trapped in a world of suffering and require some means to avoid such?

[Crunchy Cat]

Ok now we have a pic....

http://c4h1.bizzymatecms.com/uploads/images/ally.jpg

Context please!

[Ophiolite]

I'm sorry. I've dipped into this thread from time to time over the duration of it's existence. I have certainly not read every post, so my awareness of all that has been said is limited.

I have one question: has no one bothered to say Quantum Quack, you desperately need professional help. You are delusional in a way that may constitute a danger to yourself and others. Please seek professional help. Has no one said this? If not, why not?

Very disturbing.

[Quantum Quack]

I'm sorry. I've dipped into this thread from time to time over the duration of it's existence. I have certainly not read every post, so my awareness of all that has been said is limited.

I have one question: has no one bothered to say Quantum Quack, you desperately need professional help. You are delusional in a way that may constitute a danger to yourself and others. Please seek professional help. Has no one said this? If not, why not?

Very disturbing.

ahh but there has been...not only by posts to this thread but also by PM.
and I expect publishing the picture is only going to intensify this opinion.
as this is the way it works.

And yes I agree under normal circumstances if I witnessed something similar to this thread I would have similar concerns.
However the issue is not of "normal circumstance"

The opinion has been raised that:

"You are delusional in a way that may constitute a danger to yourself and others."

therefore giving you the supposed right if you had the authority and jurisdiction to compel me by law to attend a psychiatric facility.
In what way do I constitute a threat to myself and others?

[Quantum Quack]

The main reason for publishing the picture of our man is so that if in the eventuality he does what I thnk he intends to do in that he is successful in regaining the power he has lost he will not be able to just vanish into anonymity.
So far he as managed to take control of the lady in question [ the one that originated the exposure of the disc.]
As it stands he and she are unapproachable without claims that "You are deluded and would be considered as a threat to yourself self and others"

In similar circumstances cults are created. In fact the analogy of destructive cults creating behaviour is appropriate.

Have you ever been confronted with a son or daughter caught up in a cult situation? Where by the leader of the cult has organised a suicide pact or a serious demonstration of anti social behaviour?

Well what happens when parents approach their children with their concerns?
In some cases the children take out restraining orders on their parents!

So far he has only temporarilly secured one member to the rebuilding of his power base.
The other lady mentioned earlier has so far managed to avoid emeshment. But of course there are no thanks for helping in this.
Any ways, this will prove it self in time.....

[Tnerb]

Ophilite:

Not only are you right to state what you have, but there are many more claims to be made which would only suit another thread were QQ to participate. Which is to say, he is in danger to himself/others. However I think that the suitable debates to back this up are being done in distance/time thread, as well as zero deminsionality ala quantum quack also in psuedoscience. "If" his claims to support the universe and such are true, which sounds very far fetched.... "then" he isn't a real harm to anybody or is he?

For example. (at least!)

For example, being God, or, being able to claim that he is able to hunt down the traces, and saying to others that he is able to hunt down the traces and existences of others; while supporting them in that "the signature can be located durring meditative sleep guys!"; this is a huge, huge, statement to be sure.

It is statements such as these and countless others that would require some sort of undertaking.

But as of yet I don't see how we can really refute any of this, except to go even farther down into what CC has labled as "the rabbit hole goes" :D


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[Quantum Quack]

Ophilite:

Not only are you right to state what you have, but there are many more claims to be made which would only suit another thread were QQ to participate. Which is to say, he is in danger to himself/others. However I think that the suitable debates to back this up are being done in distance/time thread, as well as zero deminsionality ala quantum quack also in psuedoscience. "If" his claims to support the universe and such are true, which sounds very far fetched.... "then" he isn't a real harm to anybody or is he?

For example. (at least!)

For example, being God, or, being able to claim that he is able to hunt down the traces, and saying to others that he is able to hunt down the traces and existences of others; while supporting them in that "the signature can be located durring meditative sleep guys!"; this is a huge, huge, statement to be sure.

It is statements such as these and countless others that would require some sort of undertaking.

But as of yet I don't see how we can really refute any of this, except to go even farther down into what CC has labled as "the rabbit hole goes" :D


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good post Sisyphus!

As some one onces said to me years ago:
"words are cheap and it is the proof in the pudding that matters"
I am not going to try and justify what I am doing in words as they are merely a way of attempting to explain away your fears.
Action and results is what counts and is the only evidence that has value.
I didn't launch this thread ever intending to prove any of it with just words and discussion.
The other threads you mention:
Zero dimensionality will be proven by acts that require it...not by theory or words.
Evidence is only valid if presented by what I refer to as "happenstance"
In other words actual results and outcomes.

so "yakity yak" has only limited value and is more for entertaiment than actual outcomes.

[Tnerb]

good post Sisyphus!

As some one onces said to me years ago:
"words are cheap and it is the proof in the pudding that matters"
I am not going to try and justify what I am doing in words as they are merely a way of attempting to explain away your fears.
Action and results is what counts and is the only evidence that has value.
I didn't launch this thread ever intending to prove any of it with just words and discussion.
The other threads you mention:
Zero dimensionality will be proven by acts that require it...not by theory or words.
Evidence is only valid if presented by what I refer to as "happenstance"
In other words actual results and outcomes.

so "yakity yak" has only limited value and is more for entertaiment than actual outcomes.

I like that quote....

But in my opinion words can count for just about everything. For example, if you are able to prove, valid proof, with words, on paper, you would be able to describe why your event wouldn't be able to take place.

You and I have had this discussion before; but we have never had the chance to finish it.

Words. I am really good with words sometimes. You can talk about anything. If I wanted to ask you about if you think that your theory on zero deminsionality is true or not, you would tell me yes it is true, I would ask you to back the theory up with some professionals. On this site.
If you fail to do it then I wouldn't believe that it exists.

Simple.

It is the same with this thread.

Words.

A thread.

Nothing else.

[Quantum Quack]

I like that quote....

But in my opinion words can count for just about everything. For example, if you are able to prove, valid proof, with words, on paper, you would be able to describe why your event wouldn't be able to take place.

You and I have had this discussion before; but we have never had the chance to finish it.

Words. I am really good with words sometimes. You can talk about anything. If I wanted to ask you about if you think that your theory on zero deminsionality is true or not, you would tell me yes it is true, I would ask you to back the theory up with some professionals. On this site.
If you fail to do it then I wouldn't believe that it exists.

Simple.

It is the same with this thread.

Words.

A thread.

Nothing else.
there is another fav. saying I like:
"The truth is not dependent on belief"
believe what you like as it means jack shit when it comes to the truth.
"Belief is only a way to hide from the truth"

Words are very rarely used to discuss the truth but more to distort it with belief and preconceptions. Not many listen to the truth anyways even though they claim to be seeking it. So dependant are they on what they believe rather than what they know as the truth.

[Quantum Quack]

also it would take a hell of lot more than agreement by the "professionals" on this board to accept something as valid or for that matter false...

[Tnerb]

there is another fav. saying I like:
"The truth is not dependent on belief"
believe what you like as it means jack shit when it comes to the truth.
"Belief is only a way to hide from the truth"

Words are very rarely used to discuss the truth but more to distort it with belief and preconceptions. Not many listen to the truth anyways even though they claim to be seeking it. So dependant are they on what they believe rather than what they know as the truth.

Well, let's see that truth :D

Afterall you will only be using the means to convey the truth with words, not and not jack else.
If you can't show it here then it is false and fantasy, something that will never exist except in your own mind. I think this stands pretty clearly with me; I would have to agree with myself, : It stands clearly with everyone here listening to our discussion.

We all know that the truth is presented through the words that we are reading on the screen. If this were not true somehow, then well, we'd have nothing. It is not a matter of belief. To us (you knew that was comming), it doesn't exist if you don't show us how it exists.

Not to put you down, but that's how it is.
Just because you are poor at communicating what you wish to communicate doesn't mean that everyone else can't communicate what they wish to communicate as well....

[Quantum Quack]

Well, let's see that truth :D

Afterall you will only be using the means to convey the truth with words, not and not jack else.
If you can't show it here then it is false and fantasy, something that will never exist except in your own mind. I think this stands pretty clearly with me; I would have to agree with myself, : It stands clearly with everyone here listening to our discussion.

We all know that the truth is presented through the words that we are reading on the screen. If this were not true somehow, then well, we'd have nothing. It is not a matter of belief. To us (you knew that was comming), it doesn't exist if you don't show us how it exists.

Not to put you down, but that's how it is.
Just because you are poor at communicating what you wish to communicate doesn't mean that everyone else can't communicate what they wish to communicate as well....

well tell me what the truth is about this word "..............." note that it is underlined with dots and is expressed but not written.

Proving psychic pheno in words is a really funny way of looking at it.
but showing you can not be done with mere words but only with experiences that you can share with others. Other wise the experience can and most often is considered as self delusional which goes on to destroy teh persons faith in his own sensory integrity - paranoia sets in and blah blah blah... have said it all before...

[Tnerb]

Hah!

Well what's more funny, a mule or a horse?

I guess you can't prove the sort of stuff you're refering to without some highly detailed explainations in physics. If that fails, then well, I suppose it could fail?
If it exists it exists, you really can communicate if something exists or not. You could just say,

"I see the signature through means best left unsaid."
Then again I'm probably talking rubbish here.

[Quantum Quack]

Hah!

Well what's more funny, a mule or a horse?

I guess you can't prove the sort of stuff you're refering to without some highly detailed explainations in physics. If that fails, then well, I suppose it could fail?
If it exists it exists, you really can communicate if something exists or not. You could just say,

"I see the signature through means best left unsaid."
Then again I'm probably talking rubbish here.
so I see his signature. So what? The amount of preconceptions that would have to be challenged to get a theory accepted is just not worth the bother.
This man by the way replicates other peoples signatures. He immitates their will so as to take control.

In my language he does what I call a "will supposition" or signature supposition. Similar to identity theft which is a common fraud.
In that by replicating he becomes..

[Quantum Quack]

you will notice in the pic supplied that it shows his right temple as smooth and no inidcation of a disc affixed under the skin.
His ability is innate and requires no artificial means.

[Tnerb]

Holy shit. You've just spooked me I think, talk about a total telepathic message!
I would believe he becomes them, he becomes untraceable, he becomes part and parcel with them. It is describeable, he becomes magnified by extents that are shown through psychic willing and ceased up into the air as through .............. magic.

[Quantum Quack]

Holy shit. You've just spooked me I think, talk about a total telepathic message!
I would believe he becomes them, he becomes untraceable, he becomes part and parcel with them. It is describeable, he becomes magnified by extents that are shown through psychic willing and ceased up into the air as through .............. magic.
Nothing magical about it...
He is just doing what many do as par of course but in his case he does it delberately with intent to sequester the persons autonomy.

He is an expert on human emmeshments, and how they occur.

He and I are very similar you see...
except for one major distinction...
I value a persons "will" integrity, self determination and autonomy very highly.
I would rather live in isolation with free willed people around telling me I am deluded than to have a society of robots under my control.
It is essential that I learn what I need to learn from this guy so that this can be guaranteed in the future.

[Tnerb]

Spooky!
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I as well are pretty expert at human enmeshments and psychic ability but I take it for granted and despise it.
Otherwise what you've written is spooky.

Best of luck in finding out what the others are going to give you...

[Quantum Quack]

Spooky!
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I as well are pretty expert at human enmeshments and psychic ability but I take it for granted and despise it.
Otherwise what you've written is spooky.

Best of luck in finding out what the others are going to give you...
Hate to say it but this is really shitty work to be doing. It is also extremely serious and extraordinarilly difficult to juggle all the fears and machinations that I inspire by doing what I do.

But ultimately freewill is guarranteed it is just a matter of how much it costs in suffering to get there.
There is no alternative but success.

[Quantum Quack]

A bit like this:
A man goes up to a unknown girl in a bar and says
"You are mine"
And the girl replies by taking his hand and says
"I am yours"
She wakes up the next morning wondering what the fuck has happened with out any memory of events the night before. Use your imagination to fill in the details.

Now show me a man who would not think that having that ability has great appeal.
But you know in the end it is a slimy path to self destruction because you gotta live with yourself for all the other times you are not using your power and deal with the knowledge that what you are doing is one of the greatest crimes against the universe and God that an individual can do.
Which is why this man in the pic has been the focus of my attention for nearly 6 months...now

[Quantum Quack]

So...at a psychic level I have drawn him out and am currently "negotiating his surrender and rehabilitation"....
because there is no better will replicator than me.

[Tnerb]

haha.

No laughing matter though right :D Sorry, pardon me.

[Quantum Quack]

originally posted by PJ:
Well, I would very strongly argue that a situation in which our minds were exposed wholly to others without a veil of secrecy would be undeniably intolerable. Furthermore, without a wall of privacy, we might as well be one being - a situation which also has many downsides. Collective minds are in no way preferrable - and indeed, in many ways to NOT be preferred - to individual minds.

I'd also argue that due to the existence of psychics, if the phenomenon is real, then it can exist side by side with secrecy. Furthermore, I'd also argue that imagination, fantasy, et cetera, can indeed be harmless and ought to remain so. We need catharsis. The oppression of such a stringent morality would be not unlike slavery.

So if telepathy was to ever become useful it must allow even in telepathic contact the usual secrecy or veil to a persons thoughts and feelings and etc etc etc as you get with normal conventional conversation.

You see how incredibly difficult it is to sustain a stable telepathic regiem when fears of identity theft, invasion of privacy, oppression due to exposure and revelation of deep secrets creates an enormous fear and paranoia.
Certainly any one even hinting at having telepathic ability is instinctively shutdown by the society at large due to this fear. Hence in the main the mental health issues we are confronting as global community.
The second lady involved with our man shown in the pic. teh one who had to deal with him turning up on her door after he tourched his house, is a gifted reader and has been all her 16 years. But ostracised by her family and community because she could not control her ability and she was accidently setting of alarm bells every time she looked at someone.
So her life was hell and so was every one she "contacted".
The one day I felt her footprint in my own mind and that was nearly 2 years ago. it took 12 months before she had the courage to approach me [ I rarely approach people and wait for them to approach me] and start the process of learning how to ask first before entering a persons thoughts. She now seems capable of attending school as a normal teenager and has a chance at a productive future not only as a telepath to be but also as a really nice person as well. She engenders respect where ever she goes because now she is able to ask and accept no for an answer. Instinctively people are not stupid I guess is the lesson.
Since the incident with our man she has taken time out to regain her composure and I have not talked with her since then and as usual patiently await decisions about what she wants to do.
due to other significant priorities and pressures we have not been able to demonstrate a predictable and scientifically provable telepathic relationship. This however is changing slowly ....

[Prince_James]

Quantum Heraclitus:

So if telepathy was to ever become useful it must allow even in telepathic contact the usual secrecy or veil to a persons thoughts and feelings and etc etc etc as you get with normal conventional conversation.

Precisely, yes. Otherwise it would be better that we have none of that business to begin with.

[Quantum Quack]

Quantum Heraclitus:



Precisely, yes. Otherwise it would be better that we have none of that business to begin with.
Ok you can see why then society instinctively in a psychic sense shuts the door on growth of psychic ability?

We have mental institutions full of serious problems that society is attempting to shut down and will continue to do so as you would expect until serious change is made to the way people approach their own psychic abilities that are innate and mostly instinctive.
This is what the emmerging God so to speak is attempting to do and quite frankly is going to do whether we like it or not. Society is addicted to it's abusive ways in a very serious way and it is in the changing of that addiction that is the hard part without causing even more mental dysfunction than there currently is. There is nothing more addictive than the power of psychic ability [which is why compulsive "power" psychosis is so prevalent, re: the need for this thread]
Every one is born with the God complex. Some manage without a problem some don't.

[Prince_James]

Quantum Heraclitus:

Ok you can see why then society instinctively in a psychic sense shuts the door on growth of psychic ability?

Yes.

This is what the emmerging God so to speak is attempting to do and quite frankly is going to do whether we like it or not. Society is addicted to it's abusive ways in a very serious way and it is in the changing of that addiction that is the hard part without causing even more mental dysfunction than there currently is. There is nothing more addictive than the power of psychic ability [which is why compulsive "power" psychosis is so prevalent, re: the need for this thread]

How will this be accomplished?

[quantum_wave]

Ok you can see why then society instinctively in a psychic sense shuts the door on growth of psychic ability?

We have mental institutions full of serious problems that society is attempting to shut down and will continue to do so as you would expect until serious change is made to the way people approach their own psychic abilities that are innate and mostly instinctive.I admit it. I didn't read the 214 previous posts. However this looks like a good starting point.

People's own psychic abilities ... like meditation, contemplation, prayer ... what are our psychic abilities that we should consider how we approach?
This is what the emmerging God so to speak is attempting to do and quite frankly is going to do whether we like it or not. Society is addicted to it's abusive ways in a very serious way and it is in the changing of that addiction that is the hard part without causing even more mental dysfunction than there currently is. There is nothing more addictive than the power of psychic ability [which is why compulsive "power" psychosis is so prevalent, re: the need for this thread]Intelligent and mature individuals would come to the concept of God independently even if we weren't exposed to the concept from an early age. What the individual does inside themselves, i.e. mentally when awareness of the concept of God comes in place is decided by the individual. But the fact intelligent life has evolved to the point of such awareness can imply that there could be a God behind that awareness.
Every one is born with the God complex. Some manage without a problem some don't.This is where coming in late makes a difference. Can you recap the issue about "managing without a problem" vs. it being a problem?

[Quantum Quack]

I admit it. I didn't read the 214 previous posts. However this looks like a good starting point.

People's own psychic abilities ... like meditation, contemplation, prayer ... what are our psychic abilities that we should consider how we approach?

When a person subscribes to the notion that nothing is secret. That they are prepared to stand "naked" and be judged universally for who they are and who they were and who they will be is when a person starts to realise that the reality is the same for every one else. As part of the maturing process of self acceptance and the removal of cancerous notions and thoughts a persons growth to psychic maturity is achieved.
When a person realises that every visualisation, every fantasy and every mental contstruction has a profound effect universally that may be experienced in changes to everyday activities [ in very small ways ] one can start to realise how self honesty and knowing your nature is liberating and allows the opportunity for a better existance.

Taking responsibility for the suffering your mental machinations inspires in those around you is the path to being responsible psychically. Tough road I can assure you, given that most people can be so abusive in their minds because they believe in the privacy and ineffectiveness of their thoughts and imagination.

As an example:

A terrific policy to have when conversing with people is always assume the people that you are discussing about are actually present for the discussion with out their material witness.

eg. John and Jim are discussing Julie's behaviour at the night club the night before. Julie is not present for the conversation.
If they were responsible they would show the respect to Julie as if she was sitting there listening to the conversation.
In most cases however John and Jim will not assume such a thing and yet they wonder why they have trouble meeting nice women....

If people adopted this principle in all aspects of their mental lives the issue of respect will become a focus and people will cease being abusive due to their ignorance of how privacy is an illusion that can be proved as such by the instinctive reactions of the victim.

So part of the journey to psychic maturity is to work and live on the basis of it's reality. The rest will come into place once responsible psychic behaviour is achieved. To be a good person in the inside as well as on the outside is what it is about I guess. Although just being true to your self will achieve similar results as the self is common to all.

Most people in the field of psychic endeavor have already arrived at this wisdom through normally "bitter" personal experience.


Intelligent and mature individuals would come to the concept of God independently even if we weren't exposed to the concept from an early age. What the individual does inside themselves, i.e. mentally when awareness of the concept of God comes in place is decided by the individual. But the fact intelligent life has evolved to the point of such awareness can imply that there could be a God behind that awareness.

well put!
In esio-metaphysical terms this is demonstrated by the maturing of the Pineal Gland [Crown Chakra ] found in the Human Brain.
The development of the Crown Chakra then aids the development of the commonly refered to as the 3rd eye [application of imagination and how you use your power to "will". Wisdom gained by the "Crown" guides the imagination.]

This is where coming in late makes a difference. Can you recap the issue about "managing without a problem" vs. it being a problem?
The issue of innate God Complex needs to be handled as a separate thread as it is a big and IMO worthy topic.

[quantum_wave]

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Taking responsibility for the suffering your mental machinations inspires in those around you is the path to being responsible psychically. Tough road I can assure you, given that most people can be so abusive in their minds because they believe in the privacy and ineffectiveness of their thoughts and imagination.

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If people adopted this principle in all aspects of their mental lives the issue of respect will become a focus and people will cease being abusive ...
You really have to put those who follow the path to the letter in the category of the mystics, the saints, and the enlightened who sign on to their spiritual view of the intention of God.

My view is that if you have an understanding of theoretical physics and can fill in the missing parts of quantum mechanics for yourself the best you will ever be able to do is say that physics can explain everything we observe, i.e. there doesn’t have to be a God but there is nothing that precludes God. Faith is an individual decision. I (aka Bogie) said it like this (http://www.bautforum.com/against-mainstream/72898-atm-answers-carole-4.html#post1238100) in a post on another forum (if I am allowed to link to it).
In esio-metaphysical terms this is demonstrated by the maturing of the Pineal Gland [Crown Chakra ] found in the Human Brain.
The development of the Crown Chakra then aids the development of the commonly refered to as the 3rd eye [application of imagination and how you use your power to "will". Wisdom gained by the "Crown" guides the imagination.]

The issue of innate God Complex needs to be handled as a separate thread as it is a big and IMO worthy topic.That would be another challenge of significant proportions :).

[Quantum Quack]

the best you will ever be able to do is say that physics can explain everything we observe
agrees, if "God" or "Universe" isn't physical then what is it?

[Tnerb]

agrees, if "God" or "Universe" isn't physical then what is it?

Started a thread on this exact basis: [:D]

[Tnerb]

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=80284

[quantum_wave]

agrees, if "God" or "Universe" isn't physical then what is it?Physics?

If God is, God is the universe, the physics, and the unknown.

I've been viewing some of the threads in pseudoscience (my natural habitat :)) and I think it is safe to say that there is no consensus and no infallible proof either way. Each of us decides for ourselves. Aside from some of those who belong to organized religions, no one seems to agree with anyone else. It is anarchy when it comes to beliefs at least in the pseudoscience forum.

I do think that free will is ours if we want it; it is there for the taking.

[Ophiolite]

In what way do I constitute a threat to myself and others?If I believe that I have the power to fly and leap off of a tall building, I shall plummet to my death. My death would be the result of a badly flawed understanding of reality.

My thesis is that seriously flawed perceptions of reality are inherently dangerous, even potentially fatal. You appear to have such a badly flawed perception, hence my comment.

[Quantum Quack]

If I believe that I have the power to fly and leap off of a tall building, I shall plummet to my death. My death would be the result of a badly flawed understanding of reality.

My thesis is that seriously flawed perceptions of reality are inherently dangerous, even potentially fatal. You appear to have such a badly flawed perception, hence my comment.

and you are entitled to your flawed perception just as much as I am.:)

[Tnerb]

QQ what's happening with this - a part of me believes it is so, another part is similar to Prince_Jame's suggestions about your beliefs.

[Quantum Quack]

QQ what's happening with this - a part of me believes it is so, another part is similar to Prince_Jame's suggestions about your beliefs.
the situation is continuing to stabilise, my family and immediate assocations are continuing to improve their physical and mental states.
The man mentioned earlier in the thead has recovered apparently from severe intestinal problems and is currently hmmmm...rehabilitating....His instability of emotion and mind appears to have been brought under control.

The lady [ the supplier of the innitial concern [ vision about the disc wielding coersion] ] in question has managed to take control of the situation regardng this man and her self.

So far so good.

Still waiting on evidence to produce however, there has been no indication of the problem re-surfacing at this stage.

The informant of the disc material is still unavailable to provide testimony. However I believe her father [USA military ] has since recovered.
There are other mitigating circumstances that I have not mentioned and they are currently working out at present.

[Quantum Quack]

QQ what's happening with this - a part of me believes it is so, another part is similar to Prince_Jame's suggestions about your beliefs.

you can only believe what you are experiencing and if poster Prince_James is part of confirming that experience then then that is what you will believe, if he is not then you wont...