View Full Version : California Fires - Allah's Wrath?
Non-Logical-Idea-Guy
10-26-07, 04:33 PM
Long have Imams preached of how Allah is angry with the west and its ways and will punish them, and punish them soon. The fires in California, a place where extremely famous people live, including such as Pamela Anderson - exactly the sort of person Islam would Condemn. Are these fires a sign?
VitalOne
10-26-07, 04:34 PM
Yeah, it's definitely God punishing the people, what else could it be?
spidergoat
10-26-07, 04:34 PM
The bible belt has the most tornadoes, coincidence?
Non-Logical-Idea-Guy
10-26-07, 04:36 PM
indeed.
VitalOne
10-26-07, 04:37 PM
The bible belt has the most tornadoes, coincidence?
Its in their karma to experience those things
But who knows what the result of the destructive fires were, the death could be good for many
Non-Logical-Idea-Guy
10-26-07, 04:42 PM
Suffer The Pain Of Islam!
God does not start fires to burn people's houses down. I don't know about Allah.
The fires were started by men and a downed power line. We know who at least 5 of the men are. I don't even think at least two of them are legal American citizens. I could be wrong. We'll know more later.
The fires spread by the power of the Santa Ana's (winds we have to deal with a lot.) The fact that there were at least 6 purposely started is the dreadful thing.
I now know several people who lost their homes. :(
ALL of the people who started these fires deserve the death penalty. :mad:
VitalOne
10-26-07, 04:54 PM
God does not start fires to burn people's houses down. I don't know about Allah.
The fires were started by men and a downed power line. We know who at least 5 of the men are. I don't even think at least two of them are legal American citizens. I could be wrong. We'll know more later.
The fires spread by the power of the Santa Ana's (winds we have to deal with a lot.) The fact that there were at least 6 purposely started is the dreadful thing.
I now know several people who lost their homes. :(
ALL of the people who started these fires deserve the death penalty. :mad:
Well according to the OT God starts lots of disasters to punish people for their sins, and according to the Qu'ran Allah does too...but Jesus's Father, in the NT, he seems omnibenevolent
That was Old Testament. Christians follow the new covenant (New Testament). The Old is good rules, good history, good advice, good examples.
The New is the life. :)
Sock puppet path
10-26-07, 05:09 PM
Its in their karma to experience those things
But who knows what the result of the destructive fires were, the death could be good for many
Whose death?
VitalOne
10-26-07, 05:09 PM
Whose death?
I don't know who ever died from the fires (if any)
Sock puppet path
10-26-07, 05:14 PM
I don't know who ever died from the fires (if any)
So what, you are rejoicing or speculating upon their deaths?
Ghost_007
10-26-07, 05:17 PM
Long have Imams preached of how Allah is angry with the west and its ways and will punish them, and punish them soon.
They have? Which Imams?
The fires in California, a place where extremely famous people live, including such as Pamela Anderson - exactly the sort of person Islam would Condemn. Are these fires a sign?
Islam does not condemn individuals. And anyway, Pamela Anderson is only the end product of a certain system.
Are these fires a sign?
Aren't there natural disasters and other crazy things happening all the time? This one isn't that serious anyway.
Sock puppet path
10-26-07, 05:19 PM
Islam does not condemn individuals. And anyway, Pamela Anderson is only the end product of a certain system.
It only condemns entire systems it doesn't agree with?
What happens to all the individuals in such a system according to you?
Which system is Pamela Anderson an end product of?
cosmictraveler
10-26-07, 05:33 PM
Long have Imams preached of how Allah is angry with the west and its ways and will punish them, and punish them soon. The fires in California, a place where extremely famous people live, including such as Pamela Anderson - exactly the sort of person Islam would Condemn. Are these fires a sign?
Yes, their a sign of humans stupidity to build homes that are located in an
earthquake prone, hurricane force winds, mudslides, floods and fires that kill
mamie and injure humans. This has been going on in that area for over 50
years and its going to get worse because humans don't care about their
lives, they only care about their vanity. Where are the politic ans to stop
the developers from building in this type of area? Where is the common
sense that people used to have?
Ghost_007
10-26-07, 05:35 PM
It only condemns entire systems it doesn't agree with?
What happens to all the individuals in such a system according to you?
Which system is Pamela Anderson an end product of?
There are many positives about different systems across the World. You take the good and work against the bad. The West is brilliant in terms of providing for the disabled, the unemployed etc. however bad in terms of looking after the elderly etc. (they are neglected – seen as a burden - and often just abandoned – won’t find this in many other cultures, in Islam the elderly are honoured)
What happens to all the individuals in such a system according to you?
What do you mean what happens? I don't believe in making sweeping generalisations. Every individual will be judged according to his/her deeds.
Which system is Pamela Anderson an end product of?
A system that exploits women, a system that turns women into nothing but sexual objects. A system that uses and abuses young people like Britney Spears and then spits them out when they can't make any more money out of them. That system sucks monkey balls. Look at Britney Spears, one minute everyone loves her now people spit on her, her life has completely fallen apart, I wonder who is going to help her out. It’s the same story over and over.
VitalOne
10-26-07, 06:06 PM
So what, you are rejoicing or speculating upon their deaths?
No I'm saying many of them could have went to heaven and not died in vain :rolleyes:
Nice job attempting to twist my words :rolleyes:
God's punishment on Manchester is apparent simply from observing the people that live there.
non-logic,
Long have Imams preached of how Allah is angry with the west and its ways and will punish them, and punish them soon. The fires in California, a place where extremely famous people live, including such as Pamela Anderson - exactly the sort of person Islam would Condemn. Are these fires a sign?Unless any famous people died I don't see quite see how such famous people would be suffering or would suffer.
Those who will suffer will be the poorer people who could not afford appropriate fire insurance and are in danger of losing their homes and then everyone else who will likely have to pay higher insurance rates later. The rich and wealthy will not notice.
So unless God is going to become a precision assassin striking down specific celebrities with fire bolts then I don't see that widespread indiscriminate wild fires like these are going to hurt anyone other than the majority of people there who are not celebrities and will most likely be innocent victims.
Now of course there will likely be those who pray to have their homes spared and their homes are spared and who will atribute that to God and then those who pray and whoose homes burn down and wonder why God didn't answer their prayers. Such will be the irrationaility of the religious.
spidergoat
10-26-07, 07:03 PM
OH no! It's raining outside. God must know I'm an atheist... :p
What century is this again?
superluminal
10-26-07, 07:12 PM
God clearly hates me. I said "goddamnit!" three weeks ago and today I stubbed my big toe on a chair. This is my personal testimony unto the power and omnipresence of GOD. Take heed lest someday, god places a chair in the path of your heathen toe - or worse.
spidergoat
10-26-07, 07:29 PM
1,610,000 results for lightning strikes church on google
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lightning+strikes+church&btnG=Search
You've got to admire the faith of those congregations who don't erect ligtning rods on their churches. Although I'm not sure there are any.
But what does it say about God's allegience to a congregation who do erect a rod and the Church gets struck anyway?
Hehe.
ashpwner
10-26-07, 08:16 PM
wow if your god could do that than his a cunt in simple forms were is the sense in punishing people who have nothing to do with it??? fair enough george bush or tony blair..
and is you all hate the west so much why are there so many muslims in the u.k?????
"These fires aren't that serious anyway" :confused: WTF?? Are you sh!ttin me? We have over 12 fires burning more than 500,000 acres, over 1M people evacuated, at least 3 people dead, people dying/getting sick from smoke inhalation, billions in damage...and these fires aren't that serious? :eek:
Oh, I forgot, like George Carlin (the liberal moron) said, we deserve it because we live here. F him. :mad:
pjdude1219
10-26-07, 11:44 PM
"These fires aren't that serious anyway" :confused: WTF?? Are you sh!ttin me? We have over 12 fires burning more than 500,000 acres, over 1M people evacuated, at least 3 people dead, people dying/getting sick from smoke inhalation, billions in damage...and these fires aren't that serious? :eek:
Oh, I forgot, like George Carlin (the liberal moron) said, we deserve it because we live here. F him. :mad:
he only said about the earthquakes not the wild fires
superluminal
10-26-07, 11:46 PM
"These fires aren't that serious anyway" :confused: WTF?? Are you sh!ttin me? We have over 12 fires burning more than 500,000 acres, over 1M people evacuated, at least 3 people dead, people dying/getting sick from smoke inhalation, billions in damage...and these fires aren't that serious? :eek:
Oh, I forgot, like George Carlin (the liberal moron) said, we deserve it because we live here. F him. :mad:
But it is pretty dumb to live in a place with such a high certainty of things such as:
- Firestorms
- Earthquakes
- Mudslides
- Celebrities
- etc.
clusteringflux
10-26-07, 11:56 PM
Well, You guys still don't understand that if you are of faith, you don't fear death. It can be a good thing. After all no one gets out of here alive. Why fear what's only natural?
And if youre right and the religous are wrong, it doesn't matter anyway. From all I've seen, the faithfull live happier, longer lives while they are here. Being smug is over rated.
The muslims understand this better than some others that point fingers at them.
superluminal
10-26-07, 11:59 PM
Well, You guys still don't understand that if you are of faith, you don't fear death. It can be a good thing. After all no one gets out of here alive. Why fear what's only natural?
And if your right and the religous are wrong, it doesn't matter anyway. From all I've seen, the faithfull live happier, longer lives while they are here. Being smug is over rated.
Oh? And the faithful aren't the most smug, selfrighteous bunch on the planet?
You are on earth, right?
Well, You guys still don't understand that if you are of faith, you don't fear death. It can be a good thing. After all no one gets out of here alive. Why fear what's only natural?
And if your right and the religous are wrong, it doesn't matter anyway. From all I've seen, the faithfull live happier, longer lives while they are here. Being smug is over rated.
sure we dont fear death...just show us how to do it first. Go burn in a fire...you yourself should not be afraid of.
Carlin specifically says fires. He's a moron anyway. I could not care less what he thinks or says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U8p9IbXYHc&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/24/video-wildfire-victims-getting-whats-coming-to-them-says-carlin/
I could add plenty more stupid liberal quotes about the disaster:
Reid and Pelosi think the fires are from global warming. :(
Friends of the Earth (enviro-whackjob group) says the fires are President Bush's fault because he hasn't allowed California to fight global warming emissions. :mad:
There's a whole list of stupid reasons the libs have for the fires. I'm too tired to go look it up. :rolleyes:
clusteringflux
10-27-07, 12:07 AM
Most parents would die for their children. Even when that means running into a fire to do it. Simple concept, really.
superluminal
10-27-07, 12:19 AM
Carlin specifically says fires. He's a moron anyway. I could not care less what he thinks or says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U8p9IbXYHc&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/24/video-wildfire-victims-getting-whats-coming-to-them-says-carlin/
I could add plenty more stupid liberal quotes about the disaster:
Reid and Pelosi think the fires are from global warming. :(
Friends of the Earth (enviro-whackjob group) says the fires are President Bush's fault because he hasn't allowed California to fight global warming emissions. :mad:
There's a whole list of stupid reasons the libs have for the fires. I'm too tired to go look it up. :rolleyes:
Carlin's a genius. And he's right. It's religious-minded people who think that the earth is theirs to subdue (it's in the bible). Fires are a normal part of the biosphere of the earth. In fact, many species of plants cannot reproduce successfully without the occasional fire.
There was a significantly wet period in the southwest prior to a near record dry period. Brush grows and accumulates, dries out, and burns.
It's no different from building a city at or below sea-level in a coastal region and hoping that technology will protect you. That's called hubris. Human unmitigated gall in the face of what is obviously well out of their ability to deal with.
Go ahead. Build aimlessly. Don't think about the natural system that you are a part of. Ignore the fact that you're a part of this system. You can beat it. You're a human damn it. You can conquer and subdue anything.
Oh for God's sake--the fires were started by a downed power line and POS human beings--ARSON!! :mad:
Take your global hot air theories back to the nuthouse. We're tired of them. :rolleyes:
Some of the arsonists are suspected criminal aliens. So now we're importing our arsonists...
I knew the weather risks when I got properties in CA. I don't care. It's worth it. :)
superluminal
10-27-07, 12:34 AM
Oh for God's sake--the fires were started by a downed power line and POS human beings--ARSON!! :mad:
Imagine that. Failure of human engineering and character. All at one time.
Take your global hot air theories back to the nuthouse. We're tired of them. :rolleyes:
OooK. What was your Phd in again? I don't see it in your profile.
Some of the arsonists are suspected criminal aliens. So now we're importing our arsonists...
Is there a tariff on human imports?
I knew the weather risks when I got properties in CA. I don't care. It's worth it. :)
For what? To proudly state that you live in the land of fruits and nuts? Or are you saying that it was worth my federal tax dollars to have to bail you californians out of your own ill-conceived shit hole of a never-ending natural disaster?
Repo Man
10-27-07, 12:44 AM
Oh for God's sake--the fires were started by a downed power line and POS human beings--ARSON!! :mad:
Take your global hot air theories back to the nuthouse. We're tired of them. :rolleyes:
Some of the arsonists are suspected criminal aliens. So now we're importing our arsonists...
I knew the weather risks when I got properties in CA. I don't care. It's worth it. :)
"We're tired of them"? Who's we? Are you speaking for someone else? Is god inside you? Is he a voice in your head?
I'd say to a large degree Carlin is right. This is like building a sand castle, and being upset when the tide rises and washes it away. I hope building codes are seriously revised in light of this disaster.
He isn't particularly compassionate, but misanthropy has been part of his act for a very long time now. I love the man; he's been making me laugh since I used to stay up past my bedtime and listen to him on the comedy hour that KSFO in San Francisco used to play from ten to eleven at night in the early 1970's (on an AM radio with tubes).
I have the feeling you pay little/no tax. :rolleyes:
No one has to bail me out. My properties are fine. And heavily insured.
The only parts of CA that are even remotely "sh!thole" are the ones that let people like you come for a visit or worse yet, let you live there. And the ones being infested by criminal aliens. :mad:
Many parts of CA are like paradise. :yay:
Carlin is a pathetic, washed-up, has-been, who is desperately trying for attention. His stupid comments on the View, at the book store, and in life, are just moronic rantings of a very sad, old, bitter excuse for a man. And he's a communist. :eek:
"Carlin’s persona: the bitter hippie, broken-hearted by the failure of the 60s, whose idealism has since decayed into a cynicism so black and weary that revanchist, schadenfreudean sentiments like this now escape his lips without the slightest stutter. And of course it’s all paired with the most touchy feely, cringemaking New Age back-to-the-land nonsense about being “in balance with nature” the way the Indians are. Thus the paradox of the malignant self-styled humanist: We need to join hands and tap into the spiritual creatures within — and if we don’t, then he hopes your house burns down." :mad:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/24/video-wildfire-victims-getting-whats-coming-to-them-says-carlin/
Remember when Imus asked him what he thought the motive might have been for OJ to murder his wife and friend? Carlin said “Maybe they had it coming.” He needs to go back into the woods and STFU. :rolleyes:
pjdude1219
10-27-07, 01:03 AM
Carlin specifically says fires. He's a moron anyway. I could not care less what he thinks or says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U8p9IbXYHc&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/24/video-wildfire-victims-getting-whats-coming-to-them-says-carlin/
I could add plenty more stupid liberal quotes about the disaster:
Reid and Pelosi think the fires are from global warming. :(
Friends of the Earth (enviro-whackjob group) says the fires are President Bush's fault because he hasn't allowed California to fight global warming emissions. :mad:
There's a whole list of stupid reasons the libs have for the fires. I'm too tired to go look it up. :rolleyes:
um carlin is not a moron. he provides some of the best insight to american culture and thought process i have heard from anyone quit whining about it and other things and talk about something usefull it also seems to me what is implied in what he is saying is when you apply pressure to the natural world its your own damn fault when something bad happens because of how you have upset the balence in nature
um carlin is not a moron. he provides some of the best insight to american culture and thought process i have heard from anyone quit whining about it and other things and talk about something usefull
Not MY culture or thought process. He's a bitter old has-been and not at all funny. To say CA and OJ's victims got what they deserved is moronic. Maybe not to you, but to most of the rest of the sane world. :rolleyes:
pjdude1219
10-27-07, 01:09 AM
Not MY culture or thought process. He's a bitter old has-been and not at all funny. To say CA and OJ's victims got what they deserved is moronic. Maybe not to you, but to most of the rest of the sane world. :rolleyes:
if he is such a has been why is he still around oh thats right it because he is succesful and he make a legitiment point if you over build areas like southern california when one of the natrual events happens their human contruction and interfiernce makes it worse. and from what i have seen of your posts you have neither culture or thoughts
Repo Man
10-27-07, 01:09 AM
Misanthropy is a natural reaction when viewing human behavior in large masses over the long term. Take you for example; reading your posts greatly increases my own personal misanthropy. I take solace knowing that you only represent a small percentage of incredibly myopic and parochial humans. But with the size of the population, that is a still a fair number of people. People like you make me wonder if a large asteroid striking planet Earth, and thereby causing a massive extinction event not witnessed on this planet in countless millennia, would really be such a bad thing.
if he is such a has been why is he still around oh thats right it because he is succesful and he make a legitiment point if you over build areas like southern california when one of the natrual events happens their human contruction and interfiernce makes it worse. and from what i have seen of your posts you have neither culture or thoughts
He's still around because he has a new product to pimp and he will find some liberal losers to buy it up and make him rich(er). Imagine that? He's one of the rich he so detests? :confused: He's an old douchebag who should just STFU. :(
And from what I have seen of your posts you have not grasped the English language very well. Another year of first grade may be in order, hmm? ;)
p.s. The fires are NOT a "natural event". They were mostly started by arsonists.
superluminal
10-27-07, 01:32 AM
p.s. The fires are NOT a "natural event". They were mostly started by arsonists.
Mostly? Really? What about fires started by lightning - the cause of the vast majority of wildfires?
"Carlin’s persona: the bitter hippie, broken-hearted by the failure of the 60s, whose idealism has since decayed into a cynicism so black and weary that revanchist, schadenfreudean sentiments like this now escape his lips without the slightest stutter. And of course it’s all paired with the most touchy feely, cringemaking New Age back-to-the-land nonsense about being “in balance with nature” the way the Indians are. Thus the paradox of the malignant self-styled humanist: We need to join hands and tap into the spiritual creatures within — and if we don’t, then he hopes your house burns down." :mad:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/24/video-wildfire-victims-getting-whats-coming-to-them-says-carlin/
Good quote regarding Carlin. I couldn't have said it better myself. He did have talent back in the day.....sigh, too bad.
spidergoat
10-27-07, 01:43 AM
He's still around because he has a new product to pimp and he will find some liberal losers to buy it up and make him rich(er). Imagine that? He's one of the rich he so detests? :confused: He's an old douchebag who should just STFU. :(
And from what I have seen of your posts you have not grasped the English language very well. Another year of first grade may be in order, hmm? ;)
p.s. The fires are NOT a "natural event". They were mostly started by arsonists.
So, like if it's the end times, is the climate supposed to stay perfect and nice? Do you expect a good forecast for the apocalypse?
Grantywanty
10-27-07, 03:04 AM
That was Old Testament. Christians follow the new covenant (New Testament). The Old is good rules, good history, good advice, good examples.
The New is the life. :)
How strange then that they are always quoting the old T when it comes to war, sin, homosexuality and so on. And how strange that they don't just publish and read the New T.
Don't you get embarrassed when you make up stuff?
Sock puppet path
10-27-07, 04:08 AM
What do you mean what happens? I don't believe in making sweeping generalisations.
Next stop sweeping generalization
A system that exploits women, a system that turns women into nothing but sexual objects. A system that uses and abuses young people like Britney Spears and then spits them out when they can't make any more money out of them. That system sucks monkey balls. Look at Britney Spears, one minute everyone loves her now people spit on her, her life has completely fallen apart, I wonder who is going to help her out. It’s the same story over and over.
As opposed to treating women like cattle as we often see in pakistan women killed to preserve family honour or sentenced to be gang raped. Unable or unwilling to report abuse by a man because they know they will only be harmed even more. That sucks monkey balls too m8.
Yeah stardom can take it's toll especially at a young age it never seems to pan out. I would guess with her being a millionaire and all she can get the help she needs
For the record on topic, the first person here I saw interpreting the fires as coming from god was our own conservative christian sandy.
Sock puppet path
10-27-07, 04:09 AM
No I'm saying many of them could have went to heaven and not died in vain :rolleyes:
Nice job attempting to twist my words :rolleyes:
Twisting your words? You did see a question mark after that sentence didn't you?
-I thought we were talking about the SoCal fires of the past week. Even if not, I seriously doubt "Allah" had anything to do with them.
-Born-again-on-fire-for-Jesus Christians live by the new covenant (New Testament--NT). Other religions/denominations do whatever they want.
-There is plenty about "war, sin, homosexuality and so on" in the NT too.
-I never said the fires were from God. He allows them. It's all part of that "free will" thing.
-I thought Carlin was funny when I was young and stupid. Then I grew up and realized that people like him are what's wrong with the USA.
-I have no idea what the weather will be like for the Rapture. Guess we'll have to just wait and see. I'm predicting very hot for those *Left Behind.
*http://www.leftbehind.com/channelbooks.asp
God does not start fires to burn people's houses down. I don't know about Allah.
The fires were started by men and a downed power line. We know who at least 5 of the men are. I don't even think at least two of them are legal American citizens. I could be wrong. We'll know more later.
It's confirmed those men were Christians and started the fires deliberately in the name of Christ to kill as many people as possible. Christ told them he needed more souls in heaven.
Yeah, right...:rolleyes:
They killed 7 or so. Not exactly big numbers compared to the real, purposeful killings in some other religions.
cosmictraveler
10-27-07, 10:08 AM
I have the feeling you pay little/no tax. :rolleyes:
No one has to bail me out. My properties are fine. And heavily insured.
:
Everyone pays taxes, gas, foods, entertainment etc.. Anyone that has
property must also pay for insurances. Those insurance rates go up
whenever there's a major disaster somewhere. That's because it takes more
money to rebuild those that lost everything than the insurance companies
wants to put out of their own profits. That's why everyone else's rates go
up, up and away. Disasters cannot be prevented but those who are allowed
to or just want to build on locations that are prone to disasters are just
making it worse for all other insurance holders.
cosmictraveler
10-27-07, 10:12 AM
I knew the weather risks when I got properties in CA. I don't care. It's worth it
So because you want to kill yourself why do all the rest of us have to keep
paying higher insurance rates to help pay for the damages left behind out
there? We are all in the same boat and when some people want everyone
else to suffer for their stupidity then there's something a miss with your
thinking.
There is no perfect place to live. Many places in CA are close.
Insurance is a huge, big business scam. I pay a fortune in auto, home, health, business, boat, plane, etc.... insurances. I have NEVER had a claim. My properties in CA are not affected by adverse weather.
Katrina is another story.
Yeah, right...:rolleyes:
They killed 7 or so. Not exactly big numbers compared to the real, purposeful killings in some other religions.
Christianity is responsible for killing more people than any other religion in history. And those murders were real and purposeful. :rolleyes:
VitalOne
10-27-07, 10:30 AM
Christianity is responsible for killing more people than any other religion in history. And those murders were real and purposeful. :rolleyes:
Stalin (an atheist) is responsible for killing more than ALL religious wars combined in the entire history of civilization TIMES 3
Just goes to show you the power of ONE deluded atheist
I'm not talking about history. I don't care about history. I care about now.
cosmictraveler
10-27-07, 10:44 AM
Just goes to show you the power of ONE deluded atheist
One deluded human being as well as a dictator. Just because he is
Communist doesn't mean that ALL Communists are the same. You are generalizing with that comment.
VitalOne
10-27-07, 10:47 AM
One deluded human being as well as a dictator. Just because he is
Communist doesn't mean that ALL Communists are the same. You are generalizing with that comment.
Right and this logic doesn't apply to religious wars why?
These atheists are so funny "oh well you know Stalin killing over 20 million is ok, but religious wars are horrible, they show how horrible religion is"
I'm not talking about history. I don't care about history. I care about now.
You don't care about the millions of people your cult, Christianity, is responsible for murdering throughout history? So, you don't care about those murdered people because you only care about yourself?
Stalin (an atheist) is responsible for killing more than ALL religious wars combined in the entire history of civilization TIMES 3
Just goes to show you the power of ONE deluded atheist
Stalin was brought up with religion, graduated from a religious institute. His mother wanted him to be a priest. His drunk 'theist' father beat him. The rest is history.
Get an education.
VitalOne
10-27-07, 11:07 AM
Stalin was brought up with religion, graduated from a religious institute. His mother wanted him to be a priest. His drunk 'theist' father beat him. The rest is history.
Get an education.
Yeah "the rest" is that Stalin became an atheist and told people the Bible was "full of lies", he also tried to ban religion and destroy religion from his country, then he preceded to kill over 20 million people, not only did he kill, all reports are that he ruthlessly killed
Its funny how you conviently left out "the rest"
YOU should get an education
Photizo
10-27-07, 11:12 AM
...became an atheist and told people the Bible was "full of lies" ...
From what I've been reading here lately, that sounds exactly like the histories of not a few here in this 'august' forum--whose end shall be according to their works.
Yeah "the rest" is that Stalin became an atheist and told people the Bible was "full of lies", he also tried to ban religion and destroy religion from his country, then he preceded to kill over 20 million people, not only did he kill, all reports are that he ruthlessly killed
Its funny how you conviently left out "the rest"
YOU should get an education
Communism and atheism are two different things. Didn't know that, did you?
Repo Man
10-27-07, 11:13 AM
Yeah "the rest" is that Stalin became an atheist and told people the Bible was "full of lies", he also tried to ban religion and destroy religion from his country, then he preceded to kill over 20 million people, not only did he kill, all reports are that he ruthlessly killed
Its funny how you conviently left out "the rest"
YOU should get an education
He didn't so much try to ban religion as supplant Christianity with another religion. The official truths of Stalinist Marxism were really a form of state religion. And his rigid dogmatism was obviously influenced by his religious education.
VitalOne
10-27-07, 11:17 AM
Communism and atheism are two different things. Didn't know that, did you?
Religion and Politics are also different things, didn't know that, did you?
VitalOne
10-27-07, 11:19 AM
He didn't so much try to ban religion as supplant Christianity with another religion. The official truths of Stalinist Marxism were really a form of state religion. And his rigid dogmatism was obviously influenced by his religious education.
Oh come on, he was an atheist, all sources indicate that, even Richard Dawkins says "there's no denying that Stalin was an atheist"
Repo Man
10-27-07, 11:46 AM
Oh come on, he was an atheist, all sources indicate that, even Richard Dawkins says "there's no denying that Stalin was an atheist"
He apparently did not believe in Christianity. That does not change the fact that his version of communism had very little to do with Marxism, and was more of a state religion. Official truths that could not be questioned, torture and imprisonment of unbelievers, it was all there.
spidergoat
10-27-07, 11:51 AM
But Russia had a long tradition of thinking the czars were practically devine. Religion set up the Russian people to worship a leader like Stalin. Think about it, he hunted heretics, he provided miracles, and demanded total subservience.
pjdude1219
10-27-07, 06:47 PM
He's still around because he has a new product to pimp and he will find some liberal losers to buy it up and make him rich(er). Imagine that? He's one of the rich he so detests? :confused: He's an old douchebag who should just STFU. :(
And from what I have seen of your posts you have not grasped the English language very well. Another year of first grade may be in order, hmm? ;)
p.s. The fires are NOT a "natural event". They were mostly started by arsonists.
no from what i have heard some of the fires we started by people most are natrual and by the way do you know where carlin oh that right southern california
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