America, like Israel, was created by Europeans through a genocide of the indigenous people. White settlers drove the American Indians off their ancestral land. If they fought, they were killed. Indians were confined to a few reservations. No thought was given to the rights of the Indians. Whites believed that God wanted them to have the land. Until recent years, the Indian genocide was celebrated in Western movies, and never criticized in schools. Just as Indians were considered uncivilized heathens not deserving basic rights; so are the Palestinians. The parallels between the establishment of the American and Israeli states are many. The American genocide and enslavement of African people likewise has been insufficiently recognized, criticized, or corrected. Racism thrives at a subconscious level in the vast majority of Americans' minds. Americans consider themselves and their country to be especially righteous and blessed by God. The Israeli Jews, of course, consider themselves the 'Chosen People'. The religious bigotry and tribalism inherent in this idea require no comment. Many fundamentalist Christians are 'Friends of Israel'. They take the Book of Revelations in the New Testament very seriously. They believe that Christ's Second Coming to Earth will be preceded by the re-establishment of the Kingdom of Israel and a war over Israel. All the more reason for Protestants to help establish Israel and remain its 'friend'. Photos: Please be warned that some of these pictures are graphic and disturbing pamolson.org/LebCrisisPics or angrywhitekid.blogs.com/weblog/palestine/index.
What? History tells us that Israel was a country thousands of years ago and they were on lands that were lacking many Arabs. How do you justify your statement. Can you link me to a historical site that will verify what you state. Thanks.
Now hold on a second lidae. I live in America, but my ancestors are from a small European country who were not here for or took no part in the early stages of this country. You said: From what i understand there was fighting but the Indians fought anyone who set foot on their land. So these people who came here, which for all i know they had a right to do, fought back. Israel: It is this little peice of land, and there were Jews over there since the beginning of time. I think i am impartial in both cases. You could say that about everyone.
cosmictraveler, how much of these articles do you agree with? does its source change your perception of the arguments presented? Israel, Zionism, and the Racial Double Standard By Paul Grubach you can search for vho org Roger Garaudy publishes new book on Zionism you can search for radioislam org books site The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics by Roger Garaudy Ancient Jerusalem By James Baikie D.D.F.R.A.S. Walks in and Around Jeruslem By J.E.Hanauer. The Story of Jerusalem By Colonel Sir C.M Watson. Israel, Zionism, and the Racial Double Standard Copyright 2001 By Paul Grubach FOOTNOTES 1. THE PLAIN DEALER, 19 January 1989, p.3-E. 2. THE PLAIN DEALER, 23 October 1999, p.6-A. 3. THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, 7 February 2001, p.A26. 4. See WASHINGTON REPORT ON MIDDLE EAST AFFAIRS, July/Aug. 1999, pp.14, 20. 5. THE NEW YORK TIMES, 9 March 2000, p. 3-A; THE PLAIN DEALER, 9 March 2000, p.4-A. 6. THE NEW YORK TIMES, 17 April 2000, p.24-A. 7. For the exchange of letters between Abraham Foxman and Paul Grubach, see the WASHINGTON REPORT ON MIDDLE EAST AFFAIRS, April 2000, pp.73-74. 8. Roselle Tekiner, Samir Abed-Rabbo, Norton Mezvinsky, eds., ANTI-ZIONISM: ANALYTIC REFLECTIONS (Amana Books, 1988); Uri Davis, ISRAEL: AN APARTHEID STATE (Zed Books, LTD, 1987); THE INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR THE ELIMINATION OF ALL FORMS OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, ZIONISM AND RACISM (North American, 1979); Francis R. Nicosia, THE THIRD REICH AND THE PALESTINE QUESTION (University of Texas Press, 1985); Lenni Brenner, ZIONISM IN THE AGE OF THE DICTATORS (Lawrence Hill, 1983); Regina Sharif, NON-JEWISH ZIONISM: ITS ROOTS IN WESTERN HISTORY (Zed Press, 1983). 9. Quoted in Dr. Robert John, BEHIND THE BALFOUR DECLARATION: THE HIDDEN ORIGIN OF TODAY’S MIDEAST CRISIS (Institute for Historical Review, 1988), p.35. 10. Arthur Hertzberg, THE ZIONIST IDEA (Greenwood Press, 1959), pp.219-220. 11. Francis R. Nicosia, THE THIRD REICH AND THE PALESTINE QUESTION, pp.16-21. 12. Quoted in Uri Davis, ISRAEL: AN APARTHEID STATE, pp.1-2. 13. NEW YORK HERALD TRIBUNE, 13 June 1938, p.12. 14. NATURE, 21 March 1985, p.208; See the PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES, 9 May 2000, as reported on in Nicholas Wade, “Y Chromosome Bears Witness to Story of the Jewish Diaspora,” NEW YORK TIMES, 9 May 2000. 15. Tekiner, Abed-Rabbo, Mezvinsky, pp.63-89. 16. See NEW YORK REVIEW OF BOOKS, 13 April 2000, p.61. 17. NATURAL HISTORY, November 1993, p.12. 18. See Robert Vexler’s GERMANY: A CHRONOLOGY AND FACT BOOK: 1415-1972, p.129. 19. Nicholas Wade, “Y Chromosome Bears Witness to Story of the Jewish Diaspora, “ NEW YORK TIMES, 9 May 2000. 20. Ibid. 21. D.D. Guttenplan, THE HOLOCAUST ON TRIAL (W.W. Norton & Company, 2001), p.209. 22. Deborah Lipstadt, DENYING THE HOLOCAUST: THE GROWING ASSAULT ON TRUTH AND MEMORY (The Free Press, 1993), p.106. 23. See Michael Shermer and Alex Grobman, DENYING HISTORY: WHO SAYS THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED AND WHY DO THEY SAY IT? (University of California Press, 2000), p.88. 24. Quoted in Simha Flapan, THE BIRTH OF ISRAEL: MYTHS AND REALITIES (Pantheon Books, 1987), p.103. 25. Quoted in Uri Davis, ISRAEL: AN APARTHEID STATE, p.5. 26. CLEVELAND JEWISH NEWS, 22 November 1991. 27. CLEVELAND JEWISH NEWS, 8 November 1991, p.12. 28. WASHINGTON REPORT ON MIDDLE EAST AFFAIRS, July 1991, p.58. 29. “Israeli Society,” you can search for adl org 30. “Minorities in Israel,” you can search for adl org 31. Ibid. 32. THE WASHINGTON REPORT ON MIDDLE EAST AFFAIRS, July/August 1999, p.120. 33. Uri Davis, ISRAEL: AN APARTHEID STATE, p. 9. 34. Ibid., p.22. 35. Ibid., p.27-30. 36. Ibid., p.17; Simha Flapan, THE BIRTH OF ISRAEL: MYTHS AND REALITIES, pp.81-118. 37. Uri Davis, ISRAEL: AN APARTHEID STATE, p. 34. 38. Ibid., pp.34-36. 39. Ibid., pp.34, 36. 40. Ibid., pp.25, 35. 41. Ibid., pp.39-40. 42. Ibid., p.17. 43. Ibid., p.49. 44. Ibid., p.50. 45. Ibid., pp.50-51. 46. Ibid., p.53. 47. Ibid., p.55. 48. Ian Lustick, ARABS IN THE JEWISH STATE: ISRAEL’S CONTROL OF A NATIONAL MINORITY, pp.93-94. 49. Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky, JEWISH FUNDAMENTALISM IN ISRAEL (Pluto Press, 1999), pp.151-152. 50. “Minorities in Israel,” you can search for adl org 51. WASHINGTON REPORT ON MIDDLE EAST AFFAIRS, June 1993, p.75; Roselle Tekiner, Samir Abed-Raboo, Norton Mezvinsky, eds., ANTI-ZIONISM: ANALYTICAL REFLECTIONS, pp.86-87, note 21. 52. Kevin MacDonald, SEPARATION AND ITS DISCONTENTS: TOWARD AN EVOLUTIONARY THEORY OF ANTI-SEMITISM (Praeger, 1988), p.266. 53. Religious News Service Press Release, 3 December 1991, printed in CHRISTIAN NEWS, 16 December 1991, p.15. 54. THE PLAIN DEALER, 26 October 1987, p.9-A. 55. Michael Berenbaum, “The Growing Assault on the Truth of Absolute Evil, LOS ANGELES TIMES, 28 January 2000. 56. Michael Berenbaum, THE HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST AS TOLD IN THE UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: THE WORLD MUST KNOW (Little, Brown and Company, 1993), p.214. 57. Quoted in Moshe Menuhin, THE DECADENCE OF JUDAISM IN OUR TIME (Beruit: Institute for Palestine Studies, 1969), p.210. 58. IDEOLOGY AND UTOPIA (New York: Harcourt, Brace and World, 1936), p.10, passim. 59. The following is a small sample of the many works that document the power and influence of the Jewish political and cultural establishment. J.J. Goldberg, J.J. Goldberg, JEWISH POWER: INSIDE THE AMERICAN JEWISH ESTABLISHMENT (Reading, Mass.: Addison-Wesley, 1996); Andrew Hurley, ONE NATION UNDER ISRAEL; Kevin MacDonald, THE CULTURE OF CRITIQUE: AN EVOLUTIONARY ANALYSIS OF JEWISH INVOLVEMENT IN TWENTIETH-CENTURY INTELLECTUAL AND POLITICAL MOVEMENTS (Westport, Connecticut: Praeger, 1998); Neal Gabler, AN EMPIRE OF THEIR OWN: HOW THE JEWS INVENTED HOLLYWOOD (New York: Crown Publishers, 1988); Paul Findley, THEY DARE TO SPEAK OUT: PEOPLE AND INSTITUTIONS CONFRONT ISRAEL’S LOBBY (Westport, Conn.: Lawrence Hill & Co., 1985). 60. Quoted in WASHINGTON REPORT ON MIDDLE EAST AFFAIRS (July/Aug. 1999), p.14. 61. Uri Davis, ISRAEL: AN APARTHEID STATE, pp.4, 25, 44,49,53, 55, 58, 60. 62. Louise Cainkar, ed., SEPARATE AND UNEQUAL: THE DYNAMICS OF SOUTH AFRICAN AND ISRAELI RULE (Chicago: Palestine Human Rights Campaign, 1985), see Preface. 63. Ibid., p.49. 64. Quoted in Ha’aretz (Israel), 24 May 2001. 65. THE PLAIN DEALER, 26 September 1997, pp.1-A, 10-A. 66. Uri Davis, ISRAEL: AN APARTHEID STATE, pp.78-79. 67. For a discussion of this phenomenon, see the works of California psychologist Kevin MacDonald, SEPARATION AND ITS DISCONTENTS: AN EVOLUTIONARY ANALYSIS OF ANTI-SEMITISM (Westport, Conn.: Praeger, 1998). 68. WASHINGTON REPORT ON MIDDLE EAST AFFAIRS (Jan./Feb. 2000), p.52. 69. THE PLAIN DEALER, September 1, 1998. 70. FORWARD, 6 October 2000, p.
Ho-hum. {yawn} Yet another anti-American, anti-Israeli thread. Note to the original poster: There's hardly a square mile of space on the face of this whole planet that wasn't taken from somebody else at one time. So why are you wasting our time and server disk space with this anyway?
As for the case of America, it was created by that murder. As for Israel, first you have to first figure out who was on the land first. The Bible is not evidence.
And what about the rest of the world? Does it all still belong to the people who were there first?????
Welcome back Norse. There isn't a nation on Earth that doesn't have blood on its hands. The USA should not turn a blind eye to this fact, but neither should Americans wallow in misery at the notion that their ancestors did nasty things. If you go back far enogh, Norse, everybody has blood on their hands. My German, English & French ancestors did horrible things long before they came to America, is it any surprise that they brought that flaw with them? Your Syrian/Arab ancestors made equal sport of murder and conquest. None of this justifies Israel... but it does explain it. ~String
Precisely the point I was making. It is ridiculous to make such a huge change for something that just happens. If the Native Americans want their land back, they should prepare for war. Likewise with us.
