Martial Arts question.

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Dinosaur, Apr 28, 2002.

  1. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    In the Chop Socky movies, there are several moves involving kicking an opponent in the face or the side of the head.

    A really long time ago, I was won a college conference wrestling championship. I was also trained in Jui Jitsu, which has no attacking moves, but is pretty effective against most attacking moves.

    If somebody tried to kick me in the face back then, I think I would have owned him, unless his reflexes where superhuman. Attempting to kick somebody in the face seems to result in a vulnerable posiition, making any of several countermoves easy.

    I am not sure that somebody could get away with trying to kick me in the face now, and I am old, out of shape, & much slower than I was 60 years ago.

    Are the Chuck Norris like moves practical in real combat? Are they perhaps reserved for the final blow, when an opponent is already in bad shape?
     
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  3. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    Their useless. In my experience at least.

    Often attempted by the lower-level set-type martial artists. If you take a good style (such as Jui Jitsu or Kung-Fu---which is the one I took) you learn to take advantage of this kind of move. Like you said.

    Their useful if you're fighting someone much worse than you and you have a good amount of speed and confidence up on them. A friend of mine put it really well 'often the winner is whoever has the most balls'. If you show huge confidence against someone who isn't sure of his/her fighting abilities, than this type of move can be used. But again, I rarely if ever use it.
     
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  5. pragmathen 0001 1111 Registered Senior Member

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    Way of the path ...

    I took Tae Kwon Do for a bit and, although we did concentrate quite a bit on kicks, it was beyond easy to sweep the supporting leg or move in for an upclose-and-personal confrontation.

    I see the martial arts movies where the hero/villain is doing a roundhouse to the side of the head and I can't help but think they're saying to their opponent, "Now, I can't telegraph this next kick any better than showing you that I'm bringing my leg up and around to the side of your head."

    The only time I could see using such a technique would be if you're kicking for the groin first, then quickly swivel-kick to the upper body.

    'Course, since I've never been in a fight in my entire life, I wouldn't know for sure.

    But, hey, what about that Jet Li!

    Thanks!

    prag
     
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  7. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I have kicked in a face in one or two tournaments (yeah, I'm in Taekwon-Do also) because it gives 2 points (1 with a hand), but it is very unpractical in a real life combat. In these you wouldn't like to kick higher than stomach (my instructor also says tht). With the high kicks the problem is that you remain uncovered and easy to fall: the key success in a successful high kick is speed. If you do it real fast and take your leg back even faster then it can be done although also highly unadvisable in real-life combats.
     
  8. Lesion42 Deranged Hermit Registered Senior Member

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    They look useless too. Never let yourself be vulnerable. Especially when attacking.
     
  9. Cactus Jack Death Knight of Northrend Registered Senior Member

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    Allright - Martial Arts FREAK to the rescue.......

    I know a lot about martial arts I just wish people would post more about it. Anyway, the high kicks to the head in general are useless unless practicing against a style which uses them also, I.E. you may see it a lot (in comparison to other styles) in a Taekwon-Do match (as Avatar said). The only real good time to pull off a kick to the face is when your oppenet has attempted a strike (possibly simmiliar one) in which he failed and is left prone, still however, it must be done at lightning quick speed.

    However, against a grappler striking is useless. Knowing wrestling and Jui-Jitsu means you would have owned someone who just punched and kicked anyway, even easier if he started with a poor move like that which leaves him so open for attack, especially a wrestling takedown.

    P.S. I've talked about how much grappling I've studied on this site before, but I also wrestle for the High School team. Just started this year.
     
  10. BLASTOFF Registered Senior Member

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    I have taken martial art,and my master taught us that for every move there is a counter, and that is true, a kick to the head can be and is used to finish an opponent off, as kicks can be stopped with ease if you are good enough, plus, Tyler, your friend was wrong the winner is not the one with the biggest balls,as there is no winner in a fight, Dinosaur age is only a number, and fitness can be got back dont put your self down, to fight on a mat in a comp, is totally different than in a real life fight, on the mat you have a ref, your opponent goes down or you win a point,the fight is stopped,you return to the start, in real life you dont have a ref,so kicks can be harder to do in the real fight, but they can still be blocked.
     
  11. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    TKD mach isn't stopped if smone gains a point! we have a great fun with this when we have torunaments particepating guys from Karate. They stop after they hit us and stand like idiots (newbies) and we just keep on hitting. they have also theis reflex to stop after a hit.

    (are you kidding about tht light contact. one of the karate guys was tragically killed last year

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  12. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    "I have taken martial art,and my master taught us that for every move there is a counter, and that is true, a kick to the head can be and is used to finish an opponent off, as kicks can be stopped with ease if you are good enough, plus, Tyler, your friend was wrong the winner is not the one with the biggest balls,as there is no winner in a fight, Dinosaur age is only a number, and fitness can be got back dont put your self down, to fight on a mat in a comp, is totally different than in a real life fight, on the mat you have a ref, your opponent goes down or you win a point,the fight is stopped,you return to the start, in real life you dont have a ref,so kicks can be harder to do in the real fight, but they can still be blocked."

    A kick to the head is useless. There are much smarter ways to finish off an opponent. Although, the kick to the head is cool looking.

    Kicks can be stopped with ease? What level do you participate in? Once you hit a high enough level, you realize there are people that can absolutely kick your ass no matter how good you think you are.

    No winner in a fight? Well in real life the winner is whoever doesn't get killed or severly beaten. In a tournament the winner is (depending on which martial art) whoever gets to a point level the fastest. So I have no idea what you're talking about.

    How many real life fights you been in?
     
  13. BLASTOFF Registered Senior Member

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    AVATAR, I have not said anything about light contact, i have been in tournaments which have been full contact, and that is not fun, i have also been in real life fights, and that is not fun, i also have done TKD matches and i know the rules, i know four types of martial art, including kendo, i can adapt to most forms, and i am now learning a higher form from my old master, for the record i have come second as i think most of the martial artists have at some time, but i have come first as well,in both tournaments and real life.
     
  14. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't say anything bad about you. I'm myself only a starter in this. And I know tht full contact is not fun... And street fights are the least fun...think- you might stumble on a knife...when need to go to high-risk areas as we with the friends call them- we always find someone to go with . Two is minimum....Four is good....10 - 15 is the best

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    Today I was 2nd..... hope for a better mach next time.
     
  15. BLASTOFF Registered Senior Member

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    AVATAR. You came second today, dont worry my friend you will come first, no matter how many times you come second, dont give up it is worth it in the end, you will become faster, and that it will benefit you in different ways, keep up the practice it does become easier honest.

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  16. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Tyler,

    This is grammatically incorrect. The correct is "They are useless."
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    Dinosaur,

    I do Tai Chi. Believe me... it's much better. In Tai Chi you use the energy and movements of your opponent against him. It's very good...

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    Head kicks are worthless... better to throw the opponent at the wall or just throw him far away... :bugeye:

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  17. Cactus Jack Death Knight of Northrend Registered Senior Member

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    Ever heard of Aikido? - exact same prinicpal.
     
  18. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    When my ship was in Thailand, this chap Tim McCann was wandering down the street ahead of the rest of us. A little Thai chap rushed out and started doing some stupid moves, swinging his arms around and shouting "Hah!" and crap like that. He said "Fuck you, white man! You going down!" or something like that. McCann just punched him once, in the face, knocked the guy out cold, and walked over him and kept on going down the street.

    Another navy chap, Wells, was held by the shoulders against a wall by a HUGE biker dude. Wells just brought his foot up between them, kicked the guy in the chin and knocked him out cold. End of fight. Kicks to the head work.
     
  19. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    My mistake nelson.
     
  20. Cactus Jack Death Knight of Northrend Registered Senior Member

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    You've taken Aikido? Yeah I know too much Philosophy behind it but an incredible martial art.
     
  21. pragmathen 0001 1111 Registered Senior Member

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    Except in Aikido, it's referred to as 'ki'. Wish I could apply some circular reasoning behind that! Yeah, well, it was supposed to be funny.

    Thanks!

    prag
     
  22. Cactus Jack Death Knight of Northrend Registered Senior Member

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    Actualy I think there is some truth to the concept of Ki, truely that is the center point of your body and when in motion the Aikido practitioner can use it against you quite well. However, the center of power concept leaves some scientific thought on the subject to be desired.
     
  23. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah... I know...

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