Tree Talks

[Kumar]

Hello,

Should a plant or tree be suggesting:-

Dear animals,

I am at your sevice at all the times.

When child, I shall give you green pleasure, some leaves, coolness, moisture, transpirated, secreted and reflected substances, healthful environment/air, shadow, protection from undue air forces, storms and ground errosin etc.
Though I can survive independantly, still, I shall eat and clean your excretions and dirts to make you happy and healthful.

When young and middle aged, more of above with flowers and fruits.

When old, some lesser of above but also dead wood, bark, secretions etc..

When dead, alas!! I can't give you above but still will give you my dead body to "serve you always" which you can use for your fuel and furniture.

In return, I just want from you to spread my seeds, put your excretions and dirts near to my mouth and don't cut me or make me weak early enabling me to serve you the best, till and after my natural death. Still, If you are excess or need me excessively, I am always at your service.

Are these beings not our true wealth?

Best wishes.:m:

[draqon]

now lets analyze what does "I just want from you to spread my seeds, put your excretions and dirts near to my mouth and don't cut me or make me weak" mean.

Imagine a belief/religion that serves humans, but asks obedience all throughout. It spread unstopped, it engulfs all minds. In the end it is at total control. We become part of it, we become no longer ourselves, but slaves of this system/belief/religion.

[Kumar]

When a tree grace you with its fruits, you can either be a cause to spread its seeds at distant places to under the tree, where if falls without interventions, should not be able to grow properly. Though some natural mechanisms exists for such spread, involvement of animals by attraction toward fruits can be one. Naturally, going to natural bathrooms, under the tree, hidden places behing plants etc. If you are a cause to making tree weak(anyway) or cut it live, it can either fall on you or devoid of seving you for long. Ok?

[Captain Kremmen]

If you are a cause to making tree weak(anyway) or cut it live, it can either fall on you or devoid of seving you for long. Ok?

So
Treat a tree nice and it'll help you out.
Treat it bad and it'll getcher.
Is this what you are saying Kumar?

[Kumar]

So
Treat a tree nice and it'll help you out.
Treat it bad and it'll getcher.
Is this what you are saying Kumar?


No, anyway it will try to serve you, still if you can make him weak and if he falls on you, it not his fault.

[Captain Kremmen]

What if :
Person A is really nice to a tree
Person B is horrible to the tree and damages it so that it is nearly ready to fall down.
Person A comes with some water for the tree, and then the tree falls on him!

What do you think of that?

[Kumar]

What if :
Person A is really nice to a tree
Person B is horrible to the tree and damages it so that it is nearly ready to fall down.
Person A comes with some water for the tree, and then the tree falls on him!

What do you think of that?

Accumulated acts (karma) effect. Adding One drop can make a Sea removing dessert.

[Captain Kremmen]

Adding One drop can make a Sea removing dessert.

What?:confused:

[Kumar]

Bad luck.

[Enmos]

Hooray for co-evolution ! :)

[Kumar]

We may be really right and dynamic, when we are just "basic need and nature's balance based" by not to awake God/Nature to effect that, probably.

[Captain Kremmen]

Do trees actually talk?

I think not.
They sway about and make shushing noises.
I don't think they are fond of talking.

[Kumar]

I expected such remarks. Out talks about trees can be tree talks. In first line, i mentioned "suggesting" not talikng.

[Captain Kremmen]

Fine. When you say suggesting do you mean:
1. That they are thinking what they are suggesting
2. That that is what they would think if they had a mind to think
3. That that is what human beings would think
if they were imagining that they were trees instead of human beings,
using ideas stemming from fantasy art or religion.

[redarmy11]

I anthropomorphically think they'd be chanting the mantra: "Silly humans -we were around before you came and we'll be here when you're gone. So suck on that."

[Kumar]

Fine. When you say suggesting do you mean:
1. That they are thinking what they are suggesting
2. That that is what they would think if they had a mind to think
3. That that is what human beings would think
if they were imagining that they were trees instead of human beings,
using ideas stemming from fantasy art or religion.

Human being have a capicity to think, understand and follow. For basic need ok, for greed or luxualy??

Next time, when I shall be tree, then I can know what they can think about dedication.;)

General Philosophy not science.;)

[Kumar]

Varieties of Symbiosis

Mutualism, a relationship in which members of two different species benefit and neither suffers.[2] (+ +)

Commensalism, a relationship in which 'one party gains some benefit, whilst the other suffers no serious disadvantage.'[2] (+ 0)

Parasitism, in which one member of the association benefits while the other is harmed. (+ -)

Amensalism, in which the association is disadvantageous to one member while the other is not affected. (− 0) Allelopathy can fall into this category.

Competition, in which both members are harmed by the relationship. (- -)
ectosymbiosis, in which the symbiont lives on the body surface of the host, including the inner surface of the digestive tract or the ducts of exocrine glands.

endosymbiosis, in which the symbiont lives within the tissues of the host; either in the intracellular space or extracellularly.

( the terms in the parentheses refer to whether one or both organisms benefits +, is harmed -, or remains neutral 0)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiosis

Where Tree-Human relationship stands in above?

[Enmos]

Where Tree-Human relationship stands in above?

See parasitism.

[Kumar]

See parasitism.

Looks quite relevant. Don't we do anything for trees?

[redarmy11]

Only plant them and give them carbon dioxide to breathe is all.

[Grantywanty]

Only plant them and give them carbon dioxide to breathe is all.

Of course they're pretty good at planting themselves, until we came along that is.

[redarmy11]

Aye, fair do's. I bet they were struggling for breath, though, before we started mucking about with the environment. Now they must feel like they've never had it so good. Less trees = more CO2 for everyone.

[Enmos]

Aye, fair do's. I bet they were struggling for breath, though, before we started mucking about with the environment. Now they must feel like they've never had it so good. Less trees = more CO2 for everyone.

Har har, you ain't serious I hope.. ?

[Kumar]

Whether O2 and Co2 suggest mutualism among animals and plants? They give us food/fruits, we give our wastes. We also spread their seeds in exchange of fruits.

[redarmy11]

The relationship is master/slave. We have the power of life and death over them. If I were a tree I'd be thinking real hard about how not to cause any trouble.

[Grantywanty]

The relationship is master/slave. We have the power of life and death over them. If I were a tree I'd be thinking real hard about how not to cause any trouble.

Unless you happen to be very rich and or powerful, you are a tree in this context.

[redarmy11]

Everything is relative, my friend. I may not be the biggest hen in the coop but, in life's pecking order, trees are mere grain on the ground.

[Kumar]

And, as human?

[Grantywanty]

Everything is relative, my friend. I may not be the biggest hen in the coop but, in life's pecking order, trees are mere grain on the ground.

1) many will outlive you and thrive absolutely in their niches.
2) your response is not really a response. You seemed to be saying trees needed to stay out of trouble. I was saying you need to according to your logic. You may get some psychological lift thinking you are a rooster in comparison to trees, but that really gives you nothing.

[redarmy11]

Then why does thinking about it make me feel warm all over, from the top of my head to the tips of my toes?

[Cyperium]

Hello,

Should a plant or tree be suggesting:-

Dear animals,

I am at your sevice at all the times.

When child, I shall give you green pleasure, some leaves, coolness, moisture, transpirated, secreted and reflected substances, healthful environment/air, shadow, protection from undue air forces, storms and ground errosin etc.
Though I can survive independantly, still, I shall eat and clean your excretions and dirts to make you happy and healthful.

When young and middle aged, more of above with flowers and fruits.

When old, some lesser of above but also dead wood, bark, secretions etc..

When dead, alas!! I can't give you above but still will give you my dead body to "serve you always" which you can use for your fuel and furniture.

In return, I just want from you to spread my seeds, put your excretions and dirts near to my mouth and don't cut me or make me weak early enabling me to serve you the best, till and after my natural death. Still, If you are excess or need me excessively, I am always at your service.

Are these beings not our true wealth?

Best wishes.:m:Someone said; "If trees could scream, would we cut it down then? Maybe if it screamed all of the time, for no reason".

[Kumar]

Someone said; "If trees could scream, would we cut it down then? Maybe if it screamed all of the time, for no reason".

Don't we cut to those, who scream?

[Enmos]

The relationship is master/slave. We have the power of life and death over them. If I were a tree I'd be thinking real hard about how not to cause any trouble.

I think (hope) you're just messing here.
Isn't it just the other way around ? Trees hold the power of live and death over us. They are the true masters.
Think about it.
Could trees live without humans ? YES
Could humans live without trees ? NO

Please don't be ignorant.

[Kumar]

Enmos, good feelings/evaluation.

We can also think similarily about many need or greed/luxuary based other things in our regular use, cosmatics, tooth paste, leather goods, supplements, fur items, silk etc. Basis can be need or greed/luxuary based.

[Enmos]

Enmos, good feelings/evaluation.

We can also think similarily about many need or greed/luxuary based other things in our regular use, cosmatics, tooth paste, leather goods, supplements, fur items, silk etc. Basis can be need or greed/luxuary based.

I agree, although I was using his manner of speech. I don't really think trees are our masters, nobody/thing masters anyone/thing on this world.
However, it is a fact humans (just as any animal life) cannot live without trees since they produce our oxygen. It's rather foolish to believe you can do without them, I believe people like that are at the root of the current deforestations going on.
I didn't understand the last bit (Basis can be need or greed/luxuary based).

[Neildo]

Read "The Giving Tree" by Shel Silverstein.

- N

[Enmos]

Read "The Giving Tree" by Shel Silverstein.

- N

Who me ?
Can you at least give me a summary of the book ?

[cosmictraveler]

Who me ?
Can you at least give me a summary of the book ?

Here you can watch it.

http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/clickit/search?r_aid=CAF9767231704156BF5DF9DD81F0F790&r_eop=1&r_sacop=1&r_spf=0&r_cop=main-title&r_snpp=1&r_spp=0&r_wsm=0&qqn=yQbkKhQ_&r_coid=239138&rawto=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up7-xHm6jlA

[Enmos]

Here you can watch it.

http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/clickit/search?r_aid=CAF9767231704156BF5DF9DD81F0F790&r_eop=1&r_sacop=1&r_spf=0&r_cop=main-title&r_snpp=1&r_spp=0&r_wsm=0&qqn=yQbkKhQ_&r_coid=239138&rawto=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up7-xHm6jlA

Thanks Cosmic :)

The book seems to condemn the selfishness and disregard for nature of humankind until the last page where the tree again is happy (wtf!?).
That, to me, says that according to the book it is ok for humankind to take advantage of nature and that is doesn't matter if you destroy it in the process. As if nature is here for us to exploit. (Btw. sexy voice ;))

Neildo would you please clarify what you wanted to get across by having me read the book ?

[Kumar]

Whether other species cut trees for beauty, luxuary or greed?

[cosmictraveler]

The Presence of Trees

by Michael S. Glaser

I have always felt the living presence
of trees

the forest that calls to me as deeply
as I breathe,

as though the woods were marrow of my bone
as though

I myself were tree, a breathing, reaching
arc of the larger canopy

beside a brook bubbling to foam
like the one

deep in these woods,
that calls