Windows XP Sucks

[Bobby Lee]

I just wanted to know how everyone else views the XP operating system? Ive used it alot in my business and I hate it. It seems slow and sluggish. It is not very secure either I understand? The way it has to be reg., to activate, what would you do if you wanted to put it on your other machines?

bjl:confused:

[Avatar]

I have the cracked version with no need for registration;) And as for security WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL is the most secure OS made by M$ up to date.

[Bobby Lee]

Im not sure what you mean by the term "Cracked" op sys., but thanks for the info!


bjl:)

[Avatar]

by cracked I mean tht it is a pirate copy- but tht itself wouldn't do the trick. the interesting part in this is tht it's a MS company workers (??testers??) version- you know wat tht means?:D those bastards need no registrations (at least mine version)

[Rick]

I tested with XP PROFF with a Cracked version,luckily i got the original HOME version....


bye!

[daktaklakpak]

The XP Corp version doesn't need to register. If you think XP interface is slow, you can revert it back to win2k interface easily. About security, I think it's the user that makes how secure an OS can be, not the other way around.

[Stryder]

Glad to see your back, daktaklakpak

Quite simply I semi-agree, that the adminstration of system does tell the difference between a secure system and one that people can get into. This is most notible by the amount of people that don't even bother with the security updates for their systems, leaving them open to old security holes (Ones that the few will try to utilise if they happen to spot them while looking)

I know that the installations of systems do have a nasty habit of installing things you don't need or use. For instance programs associated with Networks, that don't need to be installed on standalone.

Perhaps people should take the time to do a Custom install rather than default or full.

[Robeson]

I have 20o0 pro and it works fine.

[Clarentavious]

"Windows XP Sucks"

No kidding!

It has crap for compatibility with older programs (example, those created to run on 9x)

It's not secure at all. Forget about hackers breaking in, microsoft will be the one stealing info from you! (try doing a search in your local intranet zone, or viewing a movie on Windows Media player 7.0 or greater - or heck, getting a microbrain DVD decoder)

Get yourself Windows 2000 Professional.

[Avatar]

as for compability- we tested WinXP (latest update pack) with my friend. We were able to run quite a lot of DOS games tht weren't possible on Win 9x. And if you are afraid of M$ spieing on you (and you should be) get yourelf a firewall (Zonae Alarm 2.84 [NOT 3.0])

As for Win2K - it's good as a work OS , but you won't be able to run a high percentage (~70%-80%) of games on it.
Cheers!

[CriticalCat]

I'm running a pirated copy of XP Professional (with the built-in spyware GONE).

You're right, it ISN'T secure. Microsoft released it with huge gaping holes in it, so if you want to run it, get used to clicking the "critical updates" icon a lot and running a firewall. It is, however the most stable OS Microsoft has released to date; ironically, the only reason I ever need to reboot... is to install a new damn critical update.

There is no one "best" OS. If you want broad compatibility with a certain amount of tweaking ability and don't prioritize security so much- or know how to install a heavy layer of firewall armor and take other precautions (like running Mozilla instead of Netscape or IE, refusing cookies, turning off Java and ActiveX, getting AdAware and running it frequently, etc. etc.) Windows is for you. If you really want a secure PC, run FreeBSD or Linux and suck up having minimal software. If you love doing stuff with multimedia and like having a user-friendly (but not tweaker-friendly) computer with an aesthetic sense, get a Mac.

Oh, and if it's running real slow for you... how old is your computer? I haven't noticed that problem at all in the upgrade. The only speed change I noticed was a dramatic reduction in boot time.

[Joeman]

Windows XP blows. I reinstalled Win 98 SE

[IrishGuevara32]

I have XP home edition and iu find it grand for what i am doing, lots more than 98 i think perhaps its not great for ya'll but i find it better than ever. Have no problems

[Cactus Jack]

Windows ME is disgustingly bad. Seriously if you thought Microsoft sucked before, don't buy this version of Windows. Put it on my computer and made life a living hell now.

[Joeman]

Originally posted by Cactus Jack
don't buy this version of Windows.


Never buy anything from microsoft. What is what CD burner is for.

[Reid]

And if you are afraid of M$ spieing on you (and you should be) get yourelf a firewall (Zonae Alarm 2.84 [NOT 3.0])
Whats wrong with 3.0?

[jjhlk]

Windows XP is a terrible operating system, even by Microsoft's standards. The skinning feature was long overdue, and they package it with a horrible kindergarten skin. It is filled with gaping security holes, as usual. And Microsoft is slow to release bug fixes. Compatibility is the worst i've seen in Windows (except for NT 4 or lower). The spyware is the sort of thing you'd expect only from poor suckers trying to make another penny (which is strange since MS is probably the richest company in the US, and possibly the world). [End ranting]

Avatar, I have no idea what you are talking about! My experiance with XP compatibility was not good at all. I frequently encountered those pleasant "Your program crashed, but Microsoft wants to help! So send this bug report!" dialogs. The only game I haven't been able to get running under Windows 2000 Pro was Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2, and that was only because the server that hosted the Win2k patch went down.

Save some money, and some pride... Get Windows 2000 Pro for games, and Slackware Linux 8+ for everything else.

As for all you people proudly displaying your 'erreet warez puppy' crap.. I hope the feds bust you. 'nuff said.

Only good thing about XP is that it will get more people using the NT kernel (5.1 even!)

[Avatar]

It took me and my friend two weeks to clean up all spyware, find some drivers, tweek os, edit registry, delete msn and all tht crap. lowered the size to 1gb. Now the system is extremely stable and we are very satisfied with it.

*there are no feds here:p *

[jjhlk]

It would require quite a lot of tweaking to fix Windows XP... would it be worth it??! Windows 2000 Pro only fails because it has the 5.0 kernel instead of the 5.1. I haven't had a problem after 2 years.

But really, I couldn't stand Windows XP over Windows 2000.. But I prefer Slackware running Blackbox anyways!

I used to be a warez pup, but then I was enlighted to the ways of the force.. the open source i mean.. Now I don't need to pirate stuff because it's all free. (although, i think its morally justafiable to pirate Spiderman, considering that the movie made so much cash right?? ahh so i'm a hipocrite)

[Clarentavious]

Geez, you missed the only advantage of Windows XP. I take it you are running Pro (or, on the slightest of possibilities, Home Edition)?

Windows XP 64-bit edition. Get a 64-bit file system (for those of you who don't know, Pro, Home, and Windows 2000; yes FAT-NTSS, are still only 32-bit). It will work well with AMD's Opteron processor, 64-bit (microsoft is supporting 64-bit instructions for it).

DOS programs aren't what it really has trouble with (since the last verions of DOS is built into all versions of Windows, I think it is 6.2, 8.3 or something - it's universal and backwards compatible there). It's things that were designed to run on Windows 95 and 98 Like video card drivers..........

[Bobby Lee]

Well, I heard that the Xp pro version of XP is much better than the standard version. Ive not tried it myself. I did try XP and it sucked! I tried win 2000 pro and think it rules compared to the others. However, I would like some feedback on XP Pro or corp. edition before I try it. I just hate setting all this stuff up again if I dont have to.


Bob:bugeye:

[~The_Chosen~]

It is the best operating system to date. It is the most secure, with 128 bit Internet Explorer 6.0 technology.

Run Windows Update often. Especially the critical updates

I'm pretty much with Avatar on this. You must have Zone Alarm Pro Version 3+ for ultimate protection.

No one can hack you with a NAT firewall, Windows XP Built in firewall, and zone alarm pro 3+ :D :D

I don't know why you guys are hating on windows XP, it is the most reliable and stable system to date. Windows 98 SE crashes alot and you can bypass the security easily.

Also i have a very FAST computer :)

So you don't see me complaining. :rolleyes: :p

Note: I have a Windows XP Professional Corporate edition, you don't need to register it also :D

Avatar and I are enjoying all the benefits of "free software" right man? :D :cool:

[Avatar]

ummmm ----- r. i. g. h. t.

I haven't said anything
any associations with the letter combination are pure coincidence :rolleyes: ;) :p


btw- if you use many simultaneous firewalls you can get problems because they dig themselves deep into registry

I have tested Zone Alarm 2.84 with Black Ice Deffender though

Norton firewall (their Anti Virus totally sucks ass) is very good
also Sygate Personal Pro 5 (very good)

[Clarentavious]

The only versions of XP that I know of, are Pro, Home, and 64-bit. I do not know about this 128-bit coding for IE 6x I can tell you IE 6x is full of Java scripting holes and the back button problem.

Let's say you were able to patch the security holes, and block MS from stealing your info; and don't mind how much XP takes away from your system compared to other OS. Is it really worth all of the effort? What benefit do you get out of it, other than a stable OS, which you can find in 2000.

Also there have been numerous reports of compatibility problems with older progams.

[Avatar]

The only versions of XP that I know of, are Pro, Home, and 64-bit. I do not know about this 128-bit coding for IE 6x I can tell you IE 6x is full of Java scripting holes and the back button problem.
That's why I'm using Opera:p

XP Pro is the way to go. THe rest are cutoffs


Is it really worth all of the effort? What benefit do you get out of it, other than a stable OS, which you can find in 2000.
it's worth it and you can run games from XP (2000 has immense problems with that)

[Clarentavious]

XP 64-bit is the only reason to use XP, when AMD's new processors come out, hopefully in time they will support enhanced x86 instructions with XP 64-bit, the file system will always be 64-bit.

The Opteron will be an MP (and amazingly, an 128-bit processor) I believe the Thoroughbred is simply the new core for the existing Athlon XP, rounding out the HammerClaw. The Athlon SledgeHammer will be the ultimate stand alone CPU on earth.

I can run SWAT 2, Baldur's Gate, Might & Magic 6, and Wheel of Time on 2000, all of these were designed for 98, if not 95 in the development stages (in the case of a few games).

I believe 2000 does not come with a mini MS-DOS mode (the command line is 32-bit from system32), I think XP does because I have heard you can use DOS based stuff on it, but this mini DOS mode is not loaded on start up as part of the OS, and only used as required when optional programs request it. I would guess maybe you can't run DOS games on 2000 (I haven't tried loading BattleSpire), but that's no big deal for me, most games that run in DOS, the graphics are too poor for the game to be enjoyable (i.e. DaggerFall, unaccelerated software driven 320x240 pixel blocks, major yuck!).

[Clarentavious]

AMD isn't the one who keeps changing specs, I think it is the public community.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_608,00.html

[jjhlk]

I wonder how 64-bit will really preform, will it be usefull for the average desktop computer or not? I haven't read any specs yet because I think this is the sort of thing that would best be left to real testing, not guesses. (I mean, it's double! big jumps perhaps cannot have preformance estimated accuractely). I wonder how programmers will like it; what are the registers gonna be called?!

I dunno what you are talking about: Internet Explorer 6 128bit - it's been like that forever and it runs on Windows 2000 and 98 and 95... ;) Not a reason for XP in any case.

I would rate XP at the same level as ME - as far as the chances of me using it in the near future.

My video card is a Radeon VE, not very good. I mostly do programming or just messing around on the internet, I don't get the chance to play games (can't afford em). It's should be a more than decent video card when it comes to handling the OS' gui. But, XP, even after I've tweaked it to look and feel just like Windows 2000 - ran like crap. It locked itself (explorer) all the time forcing me to wait for a half a minute to access the startbar again. Lots of minor annoyances like that, that to me proved I had no use for the OS.

[jjhlk]

OH yeah, forgot...

I don't know about support for MS-DOS in XP; Windows 2000 has that emulation mode, where I guess it runs a virtual machine with MSDOS or Windows 95-98-NT API. But other than that it didn't have anything.

Windows 2000 however could emulate support for OS/2 and i think HP-UNIX (can't remember what it was, but I had LS[.exe] running under windows 2000 and it rocked!)

[CompiledMonkey]

I love Windows XP. It's far ahead of software like RedHat and Solaris. The interface of Solaris looks like Windows 3.1. I've never had an issue with XP and I run it for many days at a time. People complaining about uptime, XP isn't a server OS. It's for the desktop. Go get Linux/UNIX for server needs.

[switchfoo]

Well i don't see what all of u got against XP? best solution MS has come up with so far for sure (that is the hacked version without harware change limitations and MS spyware) But, you are all right too XP sucks!!!!!!!! Get a mac. :) OS X rcks! (that is... for everything except gaming, which is not really apple's fault)

[Charlie5string]

XP simply has superior support for games than OS X.... if Mac ever got smart and got some gaming support it would be the best OS...but XP is definitely more stable than 9x/ME and a lot less bloated than 2000. Plus it looks better to boot. When you throw in backwards compatibility for almost all previous apps/games it simply rocks.

[Clarentavious]

DirectX is microsoft patented technology, so MAC/Apple can't have support for most games, or microsoft would blast them with a law suit.

I am surprised they haven't blasted all of the linux knock offs with law suits because of their emulators.

Now, there could for OpenGL games, which actually would be a good idea.

Or games that use no hardware acceleration at all and have their own code and engine (though such things are rare, and you usually have limited graphical capabilities with these types of games; because the programmers and artist would have the write the game all on their own with no universal support).

And no 2000 is not as bloated as XP, XP is more bloated, it just keeps all of the logging and other crap hidden in the background where it is harder to find, which is why it takes almost twice as much RAM just to run.

I don't have any problems playing games with 2000. If you are sticking up for XP for it being stable, that is a poor argument seeing all of the problems it has (being stable one advantage, verse like 10 disadvantages). And yes, none of this I can only change my hardware so many times without letting microsoft know. My computer is not on loan to MS, it belongs to ME, I should be able to do with it what I want.

[switchfoo]

Many good points Claren.

I resent the statement made by Charlie… “if Mac ever got smart and got some gaming support” since I specificly pointed out that this is NOT apple’s fault. The platform is just fine for gaming and apple offers any of latest graphics card. It’s the gaming companies/MS’s fault. A programmer has even told me that changing code to be compatible with os X is not difficult at all, relatively speaking. I believe that many Gaming companies that don’t expect to sell very may titles could easily enlarge their market by incorporating Mac from the start. The Mac community jumps on any game released, even stupid ones.

Claren, could you clarify what u mean w/ the law suit/DirectX thing. I didn’t know that since I have seen some fairly recent titles for Mac: Medal o Honor, No one lives forever, Warcraft III (The first title released on Mac and PC simultaneously… progress, wo hoo!) does the DirectX thing affect those games?

XP is the bloated one out of the 2. I happen to know Charlie, and he wouldn’t be praising XP or using it for that matter if it wasn’t the hacked version, i.e. the hacked version without hardware change limitations and MS spyware… so those things aren’t cons for him. The only reason I prefer XP is because of the visual improvements.

[switchfoo]

By the way, :D LOL at ~the chosen’s post gloating over the great Xp. The bestest, most securest, most stable OS in the whole world EVER AMEN… LOL riiiiiiight… be sure to rember to get the critical updates. Rotfl… Hey check this out if u got a chance. More about win ME but still hilarious. http://www.chron.com/content/news/mm/02/07/06/flashmovies/WindowsRG.swf

[Clarentavious]

Well DirectX is copyrighted by microsoft. Some games can only run with Direct3D and DirectDraw components present (so if you don't have these DLLs and what not, you can't even open the game).

MAC could take these drivers and apps and put them in a MAC, but microsoft would sue for theft. Apple has no license to do that.

But then, games are built on different structures. Changing the code, engine, or using an emulator make this type of thing possible, but stealing someone's technology is illegal (and that's basically what most emulators do).

DirectX sucks anyhow, we all need to switch over to OpenGL (GL 2.0 will be coming out sometime soon enough).

[3.1 IsBetterThan Xp]

windows xp is by far the worst OS i have ever used, every game i have attempted to install has failed, so much for most compatible, i would rather gouge out my eyes then try MY whole stack of games just to find that only the microsoft games work and all my GOOD games fail and disintegrate in my cd drive...

[3.1 IsBetterThan Xp]

P.S. they dont disintegrate, that comes with the new version of windows, all non MS games are transformed into a windows XP disk with the autoexe missing, dont i love microsoft :eek:

[Avatar]

here is a good example when the problem is located between the chair and the keyboard

...haven't had an error since january, when I installed xp
don't blame the OS just because you cant set it up :rolleyes:

p.s. I think that you maybe have a hardware compability issue

[Red Devil]

I have been on XP Pro for quite a while now and its the best and most solid since Win 98. It wasn't!!! But I upped to 512kb RAM and it swims with the sharks now. I cannot ever imagine going backwards now. Also, keep your pc defragged and clean out the registry often, clutter builds up in there like nobody's business. I use a program called Regscrub XP - a freebie from somewhere. Don't have too many programs running on boot up (icons by your pc click) these can, on a smaller RAMed pc, slow it down dramatically.

You also have to make sure that all your drivers etc are XP compatible - if unsure, goto the makers home sites where they have patches/downloads available. My own biggest problem was my video card GeForce 2 64mb Titanium - drivers - Nvidia. It took me a while but eventually I found the best driver and now runs really smoothly.

[wesmorris]

I've been using XP pro for a long time too and I'm not going back, it kicks ASS. To me, it's like they finally created a fully functional OS. Wow. It's very stable (though crashes occasionally on hardware locks). I'm somewhat shocked that all you people are bitching about it. It runs awesome on my machine. Oh, I get it.

All you people who are having problems with it: Your hardware SUCKS!

[sankuro]

Tangent: Zone Alarm firewall. I'm using version 3.7. Is 2.x really better, or was 3.0 just bugged somehow?

[Avatar]

3.0 totally destroyed my network and messed up all registry and I am no newbie
duno about the newest versions

I use Sygate Personal Firewall Pro now, it has its' flaws, but in overall it's not a bad choice at all

[Red Devil]

I use Zone Alarm too - no problems with mine.

[Avatar]

it was stupid of me to put on a beta version firewall then :shakes head:
was eager to try

btw- Norton Firewall is not bad, but it misses many Windows XP services

[norad]

Avatar:

XP is not the most secure system built by microsoft. I'm not sure where you heard that. It's obvious you haven't gone to Gibson Research Corporation's website. Go to www.grc.com. I suggest you read everything throughly, especially the part where Steve Gibson speaks with Microcrap's security guy! Even he admits it's the least secure OS microcrap ever put out! Go figure!

[Repo Man]

I'm much happier with Xp that I was with 98, that's for sure.

I have a spare machine with Win2K Pro, and Red Hat on it. 2000 seems fine, but one of my favorite games wouldn't run properly, and it does on XP. Red Hat just sits there. I don't have the incentive to learn to use it. Sort of like a sighted person trying to learn Braille.

I run XP anti Spy when I install XP. You can do all of the registry tweaks manually I'm sure, but it would certainly take me longer.
http://www.xp-antispy.org/

Here is a good site for XP tweaks, http://www.blackviper.com/ .

Foul thingsup? Here is a good help site,
http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm .

XP Professional does what I want it to do, and is a very stable OS for me.

[GuitarToadster]

Don't have it, never will.

When it comes time to move up to 64-bit CPUs I will switch completely to Linux (since Linux has had 64-bit compatability for a while now).

I have window$ 98 SE running now, works fine for me... window$ 2000 Pro was ok but didn't run much better than 98 and annoyed me with some of it's dumb quirks (like all M$ products).

There is no way I will buy another window$ disk, certainly not since M$ won't allow you to install on more than one computer (I have 4... soon to be 5)... that is bullshit, giving rights to computers....

Anyone who has XP and the system is sluggish, it is because you must have AT LEAST 256 MBs of RAM to run it... 512 would be better. Otherwise you better start removing programs from your system tray and disabling some background proggies.

Enjoy your daily updates, folks, I have never and never will download any security updates from M$... and anti-virus? What is that? Don't bother with them either. Been online for many, many years and have never had a virus. Don't do stupid things (like opening exe files from emails or open emails from someone you don't know, duh!) or leave your computer connected and left running for long periods of time. Hehehee, anti-virus! Worried about virus'? Use Linux.

Mandrake is still my favorite OS to date.

[Red Devil]

http://www.freshdevices.com/ is great for XP tweaks and others, all free, and recommended by Microsoft

[psychomantyss]

ya'll seem to have major probs, i installed cracked xppro from kazaa of all places and the 1st thing i did was NAV and spybot/adaware

result=2spyware
no viruses

all the friggn critical updates is annoying though

[MrMynomics]

Windows Xp Home Edition Sucks Ass, Windows Xp Pro Kicks Ass.

[GigaBaud]

<$.02>Everyone who said that XP Pro kicks ass, I agree with completely. I've also heard countless stories of it being "unstable" or "slow as hell," "piece of shit OS," etc...
Point is, I've been using XP Pro since the final build was released (always gotta have the pre-release, I mean, why wait?) and it's done a world of good for my PC...and it's DAMN STABLE too! I don't care what anyone else says, as far as I'm concerned, if it's unstable, or slow, then it's either your hardware, software settings, or lack of proper maintenence for your PC. </$.02>

[Red Devil]

The point with XP is that it is only as fast as your pc - same as broadband - you can only download as fast as the site you've gone into allows! I installed XP on a P3 500 - it was naff but stable. I put in a P4 MBoard with an athlone 1100+ chip and increased the memory from 256mb to 512mb and XP is swimming with the sharks!